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Testing the KDE 4.2 Release Candidate, On Windows
Verunks writes "Ars takes the KDE 4.2 release candidate out for a test drive on Windows. The popular open source desktop environment has moved beyond Linux and is becoming increasingly robust on other platforms. Even KDE's Plasma desktop shell is now Windows-compatible."
I installed this in order to use kate on windows. What can I say: I've grown attached to the editor. But I found that it no longer feels so crisp and clean as on linux.
Yes! You can hit Alt+F4, shutdown, reboot in a Unix-like OS, then hit F4 again. Easy as pie.
I think it's that thing you have to do when something gets updated.
Web server...no that's not it.
Desktop environment... no.
Oh - X11! Wait, no.
Uuuuh. Why do we reboot?
Oh yeah, installing new hardware! Sometimes you have to power down for that!
Oh, and every year when I update my kernel, whether I need to or not.
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Portability was one of the goals of KDE4, and it is encouraging to see it works.
Now if only the other parts of it would stop sucking...
Today's Daily KDE4 WTF: My clock has two lines. The first line is the time, in military time -- 08:31. This works fine. The second line is the date: Tue, 27 Jan. It might be 27 January, but I can't tell, because the T and half the u in Tue, and most of the n in Jan, are cut off.
I realize it's meant to be scalable, but why is it scalable right off the edges of the widget? And in a widget which is in the panel, by default?
Just one of many KDE4 WTFs which makes you wonder, "Forget QA, did anyone actually fucking boot it up to see if it was working?"
Please post a link to the bug report that you filed so that I can help triage it. Thanks.
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
I am quite elated at the fact that this GNOME developer says KDE 4.2 rocks . Now, if the two teams could combine resources to churn out an awesome desktop environment (preferably KDE based), that would make the Linux ecosystem even more relevant in today's environment.
Please post a link to the bug report that you filed so that I can help triage it. Thanks.
No. If your desktop environment wasn't tested on HIS computer under HIS operating system with HIS libraries, you failed. I mean, you could've stopped by his apartment all last week! He was available then! You have no excuse for this complete laziness.
(laugh, it's funny!)
I suspect the reason you might want to do this is so that you can use Linux tools on a Windows base platform. Kate, for example, is rather a nice editor (although I tend to use Notepad++ under Windows). Don't forget as well that KDE almost certainly has more development than the Windows desktop - although this can be a mixed blessing in my experience due to random breakage.
As others have suggested just kill explorer.exe to free your machine from the default Windows desktop.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
Next step for EU to dictate MS to stop integrating Windowing interface with the OS and provide a way for users to choose which Windowing they are going to use. WOW. This is going to be great.
If you find it offensive, then don't read it. I can tell you from experience that their have been far, far more offensive troll posts on Slashdot and that ALL of them have been modded to -1 in seconds. The system works, and I see no reason to change it in order to placate you or anyone else in the offense brigade.
You, and people like you, who think that material you personally object to should be destroyed or removed, are the single biggest problem in the western world today. Here we have a system that appropriately and expediently deals with troll posts, and yet you are still not happy. You want the material "purged". You find issue with its very existence, and moreover, insist that the rest of the world cater to your whims.
Do you know the difference between you and a fundamentalist mullah complaining about "immodest dress" or "images" for or of women? There is none. You're the same person, just with different hang ups. And the rest of us should not have to give up our freedoms to satisfy your scruples.
May the Maths Be with you!
UNIX - why reboot more often than you have sex?
Has it really not crossed your mind that perhaps your experience is unique? Maybe you have a bad font or font handling library somewhere that is incorrectly reporting size that is atypical.
Maybe some other obscure combination of things that a tiny few people have causes this, and everyone that has experienced it is just assuming _everybody_ does and that _clearly_ nobody is paying attention. Screw a bug report, obviously everyone can see this issue and it's just been ignored.
Get over yourself. The KDE devs are the most responsive people I've ever dealt with including companies that are paid 5 figures a month for enterprise class support, but they cannot respond if they are not notified. They do not have huge farms of systems sporting every possible combination of hardware and software. They rely on proper reporting and triaging.
Fallacy. If we had one look at the OP's desktop then we would have seen it. Unfortunately, the users who test KDE cannot possibly test every permutation of hardware that exists that supports KDE. It's simply impossible. However, I'm willing to bet that the machines they did test on did not exhibit this problem. Hence, they never knew a problem existed.
He asked only that the OP tell him where the bug report was, nothing else, and then he would help fix it. Instead, you criticized him, implying that all KDE developers should magically know about every bug before the users find it, regardless of the users' hardware.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a KDE zealot. Actually, I'm a much bigger fan of GNOME for completely separate reasons. However, going around arguing that KDE developers are a "cabal" and implying that they should have some superhuman (unpaid) testing team is ridiculous.
you should try using AndLinux. It installs a build of linux that runs along side windows (via the colinux kernel). Its really nice to be able to double click a terminal icon and get a command terminal into a fully functional unix like environment in windows (you apt-get from the ubuntu repositories).
Really, no kidding! Try it.
Is it sad that I am more likely to recognize you and your posts by your sig than your name or UID?
I'm not a developer, and I'm running KDE 4.2 RC. I have a clock on my panel showing the date and time. I do not see this bug.
From How to report bugs effectively:
The whole thing is worth reading, really.
Now, go file a damn bug, with a screenshot, and help make KDE rock!
Why doesn't the gene pool have a life guard?
Isn't that a little bit like testing out a corvette in a driveway?
Set your read level to -1. Others avoid any posts by ACs by reading only level one or higher. The option is yours, why hadn't you noticed? Are you predisposed to complain?
The darn thing won't even turn on?
GNOME uses DBUS as well (and therefore dbus-server). KDE no longer uses DCOP but uses the same thing GNOME uses.
KIO Slaves are launched on demand as needed, not just because kdeinit loads up.
On the other hand there is usually at the very least a kbuildsycoca step involved when running your first KDE app in a session. I'm sure GNOME has something similar (gconf?) although it may be faster, no doubt.
Really a lot of the startup time concern in my experience has been related more towards C++ symbol bloating (which is significantly reduced nowadays between prelinking and symbol visibility support). The kdeinit you talk about was actually a hack designed to work around that problem, by turning KDE applications into shared libraries (that would startup up much faster as a result).
I will say that I also am cheering on the adoption of more plain Qt apps, for the same reason that I have quite a few GTK+ utilities but no GNOME ones. Less startup time is always a good thing. Unlike the grandparent though I'm not hoping that one DE ends up winning out, I'd actually prefer there be choice available (as long as it interoperates).
Slashdot is about freedom of speech, alternate points of view and exchange of ideas. Well, this pin-head got my dander up. His perspective is so backward and cretinous that he does not deserve to be modded as a Troll. Rather that going on about it at length, may I propose that slanderous items of this nature should have a further, lower category: Dung. If a posting gets modded Dung, it should not appear on any basic search - unless a user specifically requests to look at the Dung Heap.
*** Don't be dull.***