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India Will Show Its $10 Laptop Prototype

Tech Ticker writes "The Indian Government last year announced the development of a cheap $10 laptop, but was later rectified as $100 laptop. Now the government has announced that HRD minister Arjun Singh will unveil the prototype of a Rs. 500 ($10) computer. The computer is developed by the Indian Institute of Science (IISc), Bangalore, and Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Chennai. No specifications were revealed but DNA, a daily newspaper, has mentioned that it will be small and portable, will feature Wi-Fi, LAN, and expandable memory, and will operate on 2 watts of power."

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  1. Imagine... by AdeBaumann · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... a $1000 beowulf cluster of those!

    Sorry, had to be done...

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    1. Re:Imagine... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Funny

      But does it run Vista?

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    2. Re:Imagine... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But does it run Vista?

      For $10, they can't even afford to put the Vista sticker on these things.

      Which, by the way, is a plus. I just bought my daughter a new laptop, and they put more stickers on that thing than Dale Jr's NASCAR ride.

      The really nasty thing is that not all of the stickers come off, either. A couple of them I was able to remove cleanly, but the one advertising the processor, and of course the "Vista fer Sure!" sticker seemed pretty immutable.

      Hell fire, I'll take half a dozen of those sawbuck laptops right now if they just leave the friggin' stickers off.

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    3. Re:Imagine... by aonaran · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dad made it a condition of the sale that they not put the dealer sticker on it.

      "but they all have the sticker, we put it on as soon as they get to the lot" said the dealer.

      "You do not, you trade cars with other lots and they don't want your sticker on a car they sell" Dad said.

      "But I'm not allowed to let a car leave here without it"

      "Then you don't get my sale"

      He got the car, and there was no sticker on it.

    4. Re:Imagine... by aliquis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hell fire, I'll take half a dozen of those sawbuck laptops right now if they just leave the friggin' stickers off.

      Wow, a promise of a $60 investment! ;D

    5. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ok... 2W each required for power. $1000 buys you 100 of them, max RAM 2GB. So total power consumption for 100 laptops = 200W, or less than one desktop PC.

      Buy a some cheap NAS and a few $30 Gb switches at BestBuy.

      Run ESXi (if you can) on each (free license). Run 4 Linux-based VMs at 512MB each on each laptop. Throw as many laptops as you can into HA/DRS clusters.

      Configure each Linux VM as a beowulf node if you like, or not. Who cares, you're maximizing/balancing the resources on all 100 machines, do what you like with them.

      You now have about 400 Linux VMs running on about $1500 worth of hardware.

      Poor Man's Datacenter for about the price of one gaming PC. Oh sorry, you'd probably need at least one decent-sized room fan somewhere nearby too, $30 at Home Depot.

    6. Re:Imagine... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chuck Norris must be your uncle.

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    7. Re:Imagine... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Informative

      All you need to do is heat up the glue on the stickers with a hair dryer for a few seconds, and they peel right off. Wouldn't suggest using a heat gun on the laptop plastic frame though. Unless you really like texture.

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    8. Re:Imagine... by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you're vastly overestimating the bus and CPU speed on a $10 laptop. A $10 laptop will most likely be architecturally similar to a mobile phone with a large screen.

      And, if you wanted to run a bunch of virtual machines you wouldn't need a screen at all right? So just wait for them to come out with their $5 server edition!

    9. Re:Imagine... by makapuf · · Score: 3, Funny

      wow, all the home page tags stickers came off of the html when I clicked that link ...

  2. I hope they succeed. by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see why Negroponte's OLPC project didn't succeed before. I can buy a netbook on Newegg for 250$... yet a laptop with a quarter of the power and less functionality can't be built for less than 200$ for the OLPC.

    Best of luck to India.

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    1. Re:I hope they succeed. by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see why Negroponte's OLPC project didn't succeed before. I can buy a netbook on Newegg for 250$... yet a laptop with a quarter of the power and less functionality can't be built for less than 200$ for the OLPC.

      It didn't succeed because Negroponte wouldn't let anyone who wanted one buy it. It's that simple. Had he done that he would have sold enough of them to get them into the field and had money to continue development and produce them faster.

      So what stopped Negroponte was....Negroponte.

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    2. Re:I hope they succeed. by pz · · Score: 4, Informative

      It didn't succeed because Negroponte wouldn't let anyone who wanted one buy it. It's that simple. Had he done that he would have sold enough of them to get them into the field and had money to continue development and produce them faster.

      So what stopped Negroponte was....Negroponte.

      Uhm, sources for this, please? According to the Wikipedia entry, there's an estimated 1,000,000 units sold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child#Summary_of_laptop_orders and according to a recent written interview with Negroponte, they're about to deploy the 1,000,000th unit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child#Summary_of_laptop_orders --- so I fail to see where your assertion holds together. You can't take orders for a million units and be all that selective about who buys them. Through the B1G1 / G1G1 programs anyone with a valid credit card could purchase. That certainly sounds like an open door.

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    3. Re:I hope they succeed. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think India is "third world"?

      Let me guess, you're an American, right?

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    4. Re:I hope they succeed. by grumbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      G1G1 was a special time limited, was USA only and cost twice as much as a normal OLPC. Not exactly an 'open door'.

    5. Re:I hope they succeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simple. I, as a consumer in the U.S., couldn't simply buy one. I had to use the Buy-one, Give-one program. A much better program would be to let anyone buy them, in any amount without doubling the price. If it was a hit in the retail market, the price would have come down.

      It failed before it started.

    6. Re:I hope they succeed. by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The G1G1 _doubled_ the price of the laptop for a lone purchaser thus putting it closer to the range of a standard cheap notebook for the average purchaser. This alone was enough to push people away from purchasing it for their own use.

      If he had just let people buy them in single units for the stated original cost he would have considerably more money to produce more units and would have likely hit that one million unit mark much much sooner.

      He also started the G1G1 program only AFTER people complained they couldn't buy one for themselves. Furthermore he STOPPED the program instead of just letting it run and gaining whatever money he could get out of it.

      As for citations do your own damn research - the rest of us have been watching this train wreck since it started.

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    7. Re:I hope they succeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me guess, you've never been to India. Sure, there are places that are modern and very livable, but you also have many areas with slum conditions unimaginable in Western Europe and North America.

      Have you ever seen a river of shit and waste with a plank over it leading to someone's home?

    8. Re:I hope they succeed. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because you know nothing abotu the OLPC project.

      your netbook is a toy that if dropped once in the sand or mud it will be dead.

      the OLPC is a cheap panasonic toughbook. the OLPC is designed to survive in 3rd world conditions Operate from 0% humidity to 100% humidity in 120 degree heat.

      Your netbook is a child's toy compared to what the OLPC was supposed to be. It's like how the top of the line Alienware or Dell XPS is a complete joke to a Toughbook 30.

      and it's why a toughbook 30 is $5800.00 for lessthan 1/2 the processing power of the Alienware laptop.

      OLPC = toughbook netbook. They cost more plus they dont want to force all cultures to learn english to use it. Unlike all netbooks.

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    9. Re:I hope they succeed. by asdir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      By most accounts, and the most important of them is the GDP per capita, India is a low income country and therefore a developing nation.
      I guess it is fair to say that a developing nation is a third world country, don't you?
      They might have a big GDP growth and some advanced technologies invented in their country, but that does not mean that the average Indian is rich, at least not yet.

      You accuse your parent as narrow minded? Your own conclusions don't seem to be too far away from prejudice either, my friend.

    10. Re:I hope they succeed. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can buy a netbook on Newegg for 250$... yet a laptop with a quarter of the power and less functionality can't be built for less than 200$ for the OLPC.

      The OLPC's laptop may have a quarter of the processing power of your $250 netbook, but it also only consumed a quarter of the current. Price and performance were not the only factors considered when designing the XO-1.

      Had he done that he would have sold enough of them to get them into the field and had money to continue development and produce them faster.

      Open sales are great if you have the manufacturing capacity to deliver them, but the XO-1 project didn't. I guess you weren't involved in the "Give One, Get None" debacle of 2007; I didn't receive mine until mid-Spring 2008 because of their supply chain and distribution issues.

    11. Re:I hope they succeed. by nicks,nicks,nicks! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let me guess,you watched Slumdog Millionaire,right?

    12. Re:I hope they succeed. by amilo100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you ever seen a river of shit and waste with a plank over it leading to someone's home?

      India must be bad. I live in a 3rd world country and have never seen rivers of shit.

      The only rivers of shit I've seen is in rich coastal towns (where sewage is stored in tanks and sometimes overflows).

    13. Re:I hope they succeed. by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

      > I don't see why Negroponte's OLPC project didn't succeed before.

      the N word

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    14. Re:I hope they succeed. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Low density rural life is much less appalling than high density cities, regardless of whether you are in the 1st or 3rd world.

    15. Re:I hope they succeed. by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 2, Funny

      yet a laptop with a quarter of the power and less functionality can't be built for less than 200$ for the OLPC.

      I don't know. The more I hear about this "laptop" (portable, operating off of 2 watts, expandable memory...) the more I'm convinced it's the real deal.

      Soon, all Indian children will have calculators.

    16. Re:I hope they succeed. by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nonsense. The first world was NATO and its sphere of influence. The second world was the Warsaw Pact and its sphere of influence. The third world was everyone else. The terms ceased to be useful in the 90s when the Warsaw Pact fell apart.

    17. Re:I hope they succeed. by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and it's why a toughbook 30 is $5800.00 for lessthan 1/2 the processing power of the Alienware laptop.
      OLPC = toughbook netbook. They cost more plus they dont want to force all cultures to learn english to use it. Unlike all netbooks.

      Which is the main reason their main customers the police have been moving away in droves. First it was the CF-48 semi-rugged for $1.6K. After 5 years of that, it was why can't we just use off the shelf Dells. So now we are spending just under 1K for Dell laptops. Generally the CF-48s would last 5 years with only 3 classes of issues. 1 batteries need to be replaced at the 2-3 year mark. 2 a few HD crashes. 3 wrecks total the car. The insurance pays for the cost the laptop in that case. (Trust me we didn't like putting the fully rugged CF-25s back into service after wrecks even though we could.)

      Now we've only had the Dells for about a year and a half. We've not had any wrecks or HD crashes yet. We've had a charging issue or two. Usually that's due to the car electrical stuff being wired wrong and not the laptop though.

      Trust me, if those $350 minilaptops could run our 3rd party software, we'd seriously think about sticking those in the cars. So cheaper laptops are taking over due to price where fully rugged laptops used to completely monopolize the niche. If we tried mounting one of those minilaptops in a police car the two issues that we will run into are mounts and power chargers for them. That's the two issues we have for any different models of laptops that we chose to stick in there though.

      Now, sure netbooks can't hold a candle to real toughbooks, but about the only one's that can really afford real toughbooks are the US military. No one else can afford the price/performance penalty. You were usually 2 generations behind off the shelf laptop tech in a toughbook. This was due to heat build up and being completely sealed.

      You imagine that you can build a toughbook for less than $100? Trust me, even your third world folks are more realistic than that. If it were remotely easy for a slight price increase every freaking laptop on the market would have toughbook standard features. It's not a cheap or easy add on though so you rarely see semi-rugged much less rugged laptops.

    18. Re:I hope they succeed. by PaneerParantha · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yamuna, the river on the banks of which the capital city of India is located, is one such river.

      "Yamuna is one of the most polluted rivers in the world, especially around New Delhi, the capital of India, which dumps about 57% of its waste into the river."
      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamuna

    19. Re:I hope they succeed. by murdocj · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was an article on Slashdot in the last day or two that listed the 1,000,000 number but also said that 300,000 had been sold via a government contract to one South American country, and 600,000 to another (one of the countries was Peru, not sure of the other). So basically that one million was two individual very large deals, not lots and lots of people suddenly developing an interest in buying the product. The problem with having a few big deals is that if you don't get the next big deal, you are out of business, which it sounds like is what happened.

    20. Re:I hope they succeed. by ericlondaits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Each country has its own education policy... they'd never accept the OLPC if it imposed its own educational curricula. There's no such thing as a "neutral" educational material...

      I know what you're thinking, but no, not even for math! ... during the years of military government here in Argentina it was forbidden to teach through Sets theory. It became the norm later, when democracy returned. ... Even without that craziness, there are a lot of ways to approach math.

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    21. Re:I hope they succeed. by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having been to India for work, specifically Bangalore, I can tell you that there are places you can go that you would think you are in your office in the US or Europe. In fact, really the only things I noticed while at work were the different plugs you had to use. Well, and the large number of Indian workers, but that wasn't a massive change from work in the US. :)

      However, go anywhere outside of your nice office complexes, hotels and living accommodations and you *know* you are in India. It looks exactly how I would expect a third world country to look. Gutted buildings, tents set up for people to live under on-ramps, terrible roads, almost no street signals (not that anyone would obey them anyway). Go outside a city and its even more obvious.

      Let's be clear, I'm not saying India is a horrible place, but its clear that they would need a lot of changes to have the same feel you might have living in the West.

      If you have ever been to Jamaica, India outside the office parks looks just like Jamaica outside the resorts, except with a LOT more people.

      And rule of thumb, eat the Indian food in India. The faux Western food sucks ass. If you are invited to go to TGI Friday's, make sure you bring a good amount of money, its one of the more expensive places in Bangalore.

    22. Re:I hope they succeed. by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was always about the cash for production. From Businessweek at about the time of the G1G1 promotion opening:

      "While the highly quotable Negroponte has been a master at getting publicity for OLPC, this effort is mostly about cash: "It has become important for us to raise money this way," says Negroponte. "I have met with about 30 heads of state. They're all enthusiastic. But there's a huge gulf between a head of state shaking your hand and a minister making a bank transfer." Negroponte won't predict how many laptops might be sold through Give 1 Get 1, but factory capacity presents no limitations: Quanta Computer in Taiwan can produce 1 million XO Laptops a month, if need be. "

      If he truly had wanted that to work he would not have restricted the program in any way. Just from the above clip the factory production wasn't an issue so what else could it have been? Hmm?

      He personally chose to restrict the sale of those laptops. Since his stated goal was cash for production he shot himself in the foot - nobody else did it for him.

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  3. 2 watts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great scott! The only thing capable of generating 2 watts is a battery.

  4. Critical thinking anyone? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No specifications were revealed but DNA, a daily newspaper, has mentioned that it will be small and portable, will feature Wi-Fi, LAN, and expandable memory, and will operate on 2 watts of power.

    A little critical thinking here: How, exactly, would anyone build that for $10? How much is the cheapest of cheap WiFi adapters at retail? $30? $20? Okay, now how thin are those margins?

    I just don't see how they can pull all that off for $10.

    1. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Funny

      That is a cheap graphing calculator!

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    2. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      well, they can save money by insourcing the software development...

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    3. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was thinking Etch-A-Sketch, and second hand at that.

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    4. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) Get everything on one chip. The difference between cost of production of a CPU chip vs a CPU + a dozen periferials are marginal. And then you save on motherboards, adapters, communication etc.
      2) Retail takes some 50% cut. Other middlemen, another 30%. The actual cost of production is like 5-10% of the retail price. I've seen your $10 USB hubs I've bought for 3PLN (that is $1) in retail in Poland. That is including tax, shipping to Polish retailer, and a bunch of other fees after they left the hands of the manufacturer. So, yes, the margins are ENORMOUS.
      3) Development is half or more of the actual cost of the device. If the development is 100% government funded, and you pay only for your physical copy of the laptop, not for license to all the firmware and hardware design, the cost goes down by a huge margin.
      4) They have all the technology. Intel, NVidia, LG, whatever brand name you mention, they likely have their factories in India. And the government may simply declare any NDA null and void by fiat, hire their employees, and have them re-create whatever they had made at their original employees. Not saying this will certainly happen, but it's not impossible - all the licensing, sublicensing, sub-sublicensing costs for all the little parts, protocols, interfaces, patents and so on, are another HUGE chunk of the cost. And if it's not a direct copy, but a rewrite, and all hidden inside one dedicated chip, who is ever going to find out?

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    5. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is a cheap graphing calculator!

      The TI-85 I needed for my high school algebra classes cost $90. A decade and a half later, that same model still exists and still costs $90. As far as I can tell, all they've changed in that time is the faceplate and replaced the proprietary serial connector with a USB plug.

      If the graphing calculator market had followed the same price/performance curve that personal computers have, we'd have plenty of powerful $10 calculators today.

    6. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by Fjandr · · Score: 2, Funny

      The original would likely have been Chinese to begin with, so being a Chinese knockoff wouldn't necessarily mean anything. :)

    7. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sadly, no. I've seen the retail markup of most computers and computer accessories. While the accessories might approach 20%, computers are usually about 1%-10% markup, tops. Mostly in the lower single digits, though. Really.

      That's why no one can seem to stay in the retail computer business very long. Aside from a few protected channels, like the Apple Store, direct PC makers like (Dell), and power buyers like WalMart who carry like 2 different machines at any one time, tops, the markup on most computers is very, very thin.

    8. Re:Critical thinking anyone? by ChatHuant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Retail takes some 50% cut. Other middlemen, another 30%. The actual cost of production is like 5-10% of the retail price. I've seen your $10 USB hubs I've bought for 3PLN (that is $1) in retail in Poland. That is including tax, shipping to Polish retailer, and a bunch of other fees after they left the hands of the manufacturer. So, yes, the margins are ENORMOUS.

      But you're wrong in assuming that the x% + y% plus whatnot are just profiteering. Yes, the manufacturing cost may be relatively small compared to the retail cost, but the difference is not all due to markups. More expenses are required in order to get the manufactured product to the consumer: transport, warehousing, salespeople, the logistics of moving the things arouns, loss on damaged goods, and so on. Even if you set up Costco-style warehouses, there is still a cost that needs to be passed on to the customer.

  5. From TFA - $20 actually by denzacar · · Score: 5, Funny

    But they hope for a lower price with mass production.

    "At this stage, the price is working out to be $20 but with mass production it is bound to come down," R P Agarwal, secretary, higher education said.

    Meanwhile, this laptop is still priced at $12.25.

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  6. I Smell Crap by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forgive me but how reliable could such a cheap product be? I am willing to suspend disbelief but this sounds like good old fashioned BS.

  7. Ignore IP licensing and engineering costs by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That'll save you a bundle right there. If you write the engineering off as a total loss after you take the first corporation bankrupt and then you stiff the IP owners on royalties when you build them, you'll be on the way to getting it done. It will be flimsy, not include batteries (for 2W you can buy rechargeables), and have a very poor screen, and the $10 won't include packaging, marketing, distribution, or profit. The QA will be poor too, so there will be lots of failures, but at that price point most won't bother to send it back for repairs.

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  8. Leverage a MP3 player by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your average chinese MP3 player or cellphone with an added keyboard could be repurposed as a very cheap "laptop".

  9. Pre-order gift by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Included will be a voucher for your trial version of Duke Nukem Forever.

    Also, a calendar going up to 2050 specifying exactly the year of "Linux on the Desktop."

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  10. Re:Where is China's innovation? by Kokuyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China does not have innovation. Unlike Japan, China does not feel the need to rise above simply copying stuff poorly and selling the resulting product for less than the original.

    And frankly, to me it seems their strategy is paying off.

  11. Re:Where is China's innovation? by nbharatvarma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have seen IPhone rip-offs for Rs. 2500/-. At the current rate of exchange, it would be around $50. These phones don't even have IMEI numbers and the government has banned the phones for that reason.
    I have seen the phone in action and it works just fine.
    I am guessing you will never get these mobiles in the U.S. :)

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  12. Re:Where is China's innovation? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China does not have innovation. Unlike Japan,

          Perhaps if you were just a little older, you would remember when all Japan could do was copy Western technology. However today Japan can innovate. Give China another 30 years, and then watch out!

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  13. And just like anything else out of India... by lightningrod220 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the quality will be laughable. Like I always say: cheap, quality, expandable: pick two.

  14. Re:Ridiculous price by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a misuse of the term labtop.

    I really don't know how they could have misused that term.

  15. Oh, huh. by trudyscousin · · Score: 3, Funny

    The sheer hubris of this announcement made me wonder: When did M. Night Shyamalan start making computers?

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  17. Can we get that price lower? I think we *can*! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

    A $10 notebook is yet more proof that free markets, competition and Globalization will ensure the future strength prosperity of Western Civilization!

    But can we get that price lower? I think we *can*!

    1.) First, we have to trim the lowest 10% of performers from every organization. (Pay bonuses to executives for doing this effectively.) Tip: trim Human Resources last -- we need them to do the hatchet work while senior management strokes the shareholders and analysts.

    2.) Repeat 1.) a few times and what will remain is a lean and absolutely *amazing* company of workers who do more error-free work with a facial muscle spasm than other schmucks do in 6 months with both hands and 20/20 vision!

    3.) Next, we find cheaper workers. India's labour costs are a big part of that $10. Whom will we get to do the work? EASY... we train bonobos. We don't even have to feed them much -- those suckers are pretty lean.

    4.) Sack all Testing and Quality Assurance people. With our lean, superproductive staff and well-trained bonobos, we won't need to test. And if there's a problem, we'll silence talk of it with legal threats and "promise" to fix the bug(s) in a future release. (Ha ha!)

    5.) Squeeze as much free money as we can out of the government. If the government is Pro-Business, say we're creating new jobs in a cutting-edge market. If the government is Green, say we're saving the bonobos. If it's a coalition, say whatever you have to say no matter how self-contradictory or idiotic.

    6.) Spend cash from 5.) on bribes to steal someone else's technology. R&D is for losers.

    7.) Throw the product over the wall and pump up the advertising! If it fails, lock the workers out and give senior management a round of bonuses. But it won't fail, because using the above strategy, I think we have the $10 notebook down to $2.35.

    Unless of course "$10" is a typo.

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  18. Lower GDP vs. lower cost of living by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    By most accounts, and the most important of them is the GDP per capita

    Translated into dollars or into Big Macs? There's a difference. Plenty of countries have deeply undervalued currencies, which makes the cost of living in those countries appear a lot cheaper than the cost of a comparable lifestyle in North America, Europe, Japan, or the Republic of Korea. Look up purchasing power parity and The Economist's Big Mac Index in the encyclopedia, and follow the references if you're interested.

  19. Live like animals, or like plants? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The vast majority of their population still live like animals.

    As opposed to some other country, where the majority of the population live like plants? I guess you're right: too many USA residents have become couch potatoes.

  20. Re:Where is China's innovation? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    China and Japan are not really the same though. China builds electronics in big factories that are really indistinguishable from the old collective farms and communist era factories. I.e. they are good at getting lots of people to do a simple task. The advent of capitalism means that they make things for export and the old communist system of jobs for life, free healthcare and so on has been abolished.

    One of my colleagues, who was born in China, told me that the factory workers are often not paid by the factory owner and if they demonstrate the local party will send goons to silence them. Most of the factory owners are foreign, usually Taiwanese and all the design is done outside China. Basically China is a massively feudal place.

    Now Japan, even in the 1950's wasn't like this. The Japanese had good domestic engineering companies even in the 1930's. Most of them were bombed to bits in World War II, but Japan was a modern society 50 years before the fascists took over, and became one again quite quickly again after the Americans rebooted it. And post war it wasn't too surprising that they concentrated on consumer electronics now that America had taken over responsibility for Japan's security.

    Now up until very recently for example, it was a very equal, well educated and essentially middle class society, a bit like an Asian version of Sweden. Equality has dropped a bit, but the essentially middle classness of the place hasn't changed. That's the sort of society you need to produce engineering companies. It's also very different to China, which has never really got past feudalism. Feudal societies aren't egalitarian enough to be good at designing consumer electronics, because that implies that (young, poor) engineers need to be able to tell the (old, rich) owners how to get things done. In a feudal society the orders flow in only one way, from the top down.

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