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"Subhuman Project" Human Powered Submarine
overThruster writes "Inventor Ted Ciamillo and marine biologist Frank Fish (yes, that's his real name) are at work on a human-powered sub designed to cross the Atlantic. What's interesting is the highly efficient propulsion system which uses a 'tail' modeled after CAT scans of a dolphin's. From the article: 'Ciamillo and Fish say they knew they were onto something when the first prototype Lunocet, a piece of sculpted foam sandwiched between two pieces of carbon fiber, essentially swam by itself. When they released it at the bottom of a test pool, its buoyancy combined with its cambered shape generated a forward thrust that made it scoot across the tank.'"
I'd like to see, more than the sub itself, an in-depth discussion of the mechanism behind the dolphin's tail (the foam between carbon fiber).
Er, "fricken' laser beams, I mean...
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one of those evil drug running semi-submersibles, as they are now illegal (by U.S. law) to operate in international waters...
No, operating a "stateless" vessel is what will get you arrested. So long as they flag this thing, they'll be fine.
I also doubt that they will scuttle the sub if intercepted by the navy.
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But is it really any use? If it moves in a direction when started from the bottom of the tank is it actually of any practical use? presumably it's only the buoyancy action combined with it's shape that thrust it forward such that if you start it near the surface it wont do anything.
Effectively rather than forward motion, does this only offer diagonal upwards motion? i.e. can it work without being started some distance below the surface?
I'm not sure crossing the atlantic would be that fun if you have to be dragged to the ocean floor repeatedly and launched diagonally upwards in the general direction.
Better than Hunley.
The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
This is not a submarine. This is a boat that happens to float two meters below the surface of the water.
Depth control consists of him swimming to the surface, filling a bladder with air, and then attaching it to the sub.
And I'm not impressed with his claims that it practically "swam by itself." Getting something to move horizontally when provided with vertical buoyancy and travel is not exactly what one would call difficult, and it has nothing to do with how efficient the boat is or isn't under power.
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He plans to pedal 2 metres below the surface all day, coming up only at night when he will sleep in a tent erected on the top of the sub. If the wind is blowing in the right direction he'll fly a kite to gain a few extra miles while he sleeps.
So, it looks like they'll be supplementing human power with wind power. That's kind of disappointing.
'Ciamillo and Fish say they knew they were onto something when the first prototype Lunocet, a piece of sculpted foam sandwiched between two pieces of carbon fiber, essentially swam by itself.
Yes, that's called gliding. It happens whenever a thin flat surface moves freely through a fluid. Aeroplanes and gliders use this all the time. The keel on a sailboat and the rudder on a ship use the same principle. Many autonomous underwater vehicles use buoyancy gliding as a method of propulsion. Increase the density of the robot by compressing an air bladder, and the robot sinks. Fins convert the vertical drop into a forward glide. Expand the air bladder, the robot gets less dense and rises. Again the fins convert the vertical motion into forward motion.
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What I first thought of, looking at the pix, was that we'd use this to scientifically test for the presence of really big sharks. Good luck out there, buddy.
The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
Out of curiosity, how deep does a submersible have to be able to dive before you'd classify it as a submarine? Every dictionary I've checked only defines it, more or less, as a vessel capable of operating submerged; there is no mention whatsoever of a depth requirement to classify it as such.
Depth control consists of him swimming to the surface, filling a bladder with air, and then attaching it to the sub
I didn't see that stated in the article. My impression was more that they'd use some of the compressed air in the scuba tanks, or perhaps a different dedicated tank, to accomplish this. The fact is that wet subs aren't all that uncommon.
Personally, I'd call this one a submersible, rather than a submarine. A submarine is typically much more autonomous than this thing would be (TFA states he'd have a chase boat for air tanks, etc).
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From the article, he's going to dive to 20 meters for about 45 minutes periodically (full article link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126936.900-across-the-ocean-in-a-pedalpowered-submarine.html?full=true scrollbar about 1/2 way).
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If they are on validly foreign-flagged ships, they are prohibited from doing so under international law (e.g., the Convention on the High Seas, 1958).
Stateless vessels are not protected in the same way.
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To be fair, the US only acts like it owns the bioshpere.
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When I was a kid I used to buy these little delta winged Styrofoam airplanes at the dime store. The were meant to be launched via a rubber band and a small tab on their underside. However I used to play with them in my grandfather's pool instead. I'd go down to the bottom in the deep end, flip the "plane" upside down, and release. Result? It traveled nearly the length of the pool straight as a string and fairly quickly before surfacing. It was a pretty neat discovery for me as a small child :-)
So, I too am not really too impressed by the fact that this thing moved forward when it attempted to float to the surface. I fail to see how that equates to decent propulsion performance from a tail that was modeled after a dolphin.
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The US considers almost the entirety of UNCLOS to be binding as declarative of customary international law; its objection to ratification centers pretty much entirely on the parts related to undersea mining in international waters.
The US laws at issue apply to stateless vessels, who either don't fly a flag or who lose the protection of any flags flown by flying multiple flags of convenience (see Convention on the High Seas, 1958, Art. 6, Sec. 2.)
From the story, there's a link that says "2 more pictures". http://www.newscientist.com/articleimages/mg20126936.900/1-across-the-ocean-in-a-pedalpowered-submarine.html (total of 3). Picture 1 can be seen in the article. Picture 2 is a drawing. Picture 3 is a blue-line.
I doesn't squish the person inside, the person inside is basically a SCUBA diver. The effects of depth on SCUBA divers is well known.
I'm not sure how long you can stay down at 2 meters without decompressing, it's not on the dive tables since most divers dive further. I would guess you could stay a 2 meters all day without having to decompress on the way up.
All day at more than 5 or 10 meters, or for any time at more than 10 meters, you'd have to start paying attention to decompression.
At more than 30 meters, things start to get complicated.
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It's interesting to compare this latest reincarnation of the human-powered sub to the eight-man, candle-lit Hunley that (briefly) prowled the waters off the coast of South Carolina during the (U.S.) Civil War.
What I'm curious about is how he's going to keep his skin from dissolving after being in salt water for almost two months.
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US Navy Diver Charts say something to the effect of 'don't worry about decompression until you spend time below 32 feet (about 10 meters.)' Your tanks will run out of air before you've been down long enough (at 10 meters) to even consider decompression.
For the record, 32 feet is roughly 1 atmosphere of pressure. If I recall correctly (which means 'maybe'.)
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If you want to know about marine mammal hydrodynamics, Dr. Frank E. Fish is the guy to go to. Take a look at some of his papers available for free download from Google Scholar:
http://scholar.google.co.th/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=FE+Fish&btnG=Search
This guy has been at it for ages. He was my primary source of information for a research paper on the subject of hydrodynamics and energetics back in 2000 for a marine mammalogy class in my final year of university. Glad to see he is still at it, because his work is brilliant. There's some pretty high level physics involved (fluid mechanics is not for the faint of heart ;) ), but still worth checking out.
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