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Utah Mulls a Database of Bar Customers
sundancing alerts us to a political dustup in the state of Utah, which doesn't have bars like the rest of the country does. Instead, "private clubs" require you to fill out an application and pay a fee if you want to have a drink outside the home. While there is pressure to reform this arrangement — one argument is that it's bad for tourism — the head of the state senate recently floated a proposal to create a database of every bar patron's visits. Now Utah's governor has called that idea "almost Orwellian," adding that "it's very difficult to legislate adulthood," and its supporters seem to be backing off. The idea of requiring bar patrons to swipe their drivers licenses as proof of age is still on the table, though.
Wouldn't the story more accurately be titled "Utah stops mulling a database of bar customers"?
This is not about legislating adulthood, it is about legislating religion. There is a difference.
Nevada is less dense population wise yet has twice the murder rate of the nation and violent crime as well.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/09s0297.pdf
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You mean this site? Overall, murders are very rare.
USA: 5/100,000 people
Utah: 2/100,000 people
Iowa: 1/100,000 people
Iowa has more people than Utah and doesn't have such draconian moral restrictions. In fact, they're much more liberal than Utah. Does that mean liberalism has concrete benefits in terms of murder rates?
Got an RFID tag in your drivers license? Throw it in the microwave for 2 seconds.
Got a magstripe on your drivers license? Rub it with a magnet a few times.
Got a barcode on your drivers license? Use a little fine grit sandpaper on a few blocks.
Oh, that's funny, I wonder why your reader can't read my license. Must not be working right.
I thought less of him. But just for being stupid enough to let his picture get taken with a drug when he has tens of millions of endorsements that could go down the drain. Crap, if I had that much money in endorsements just for being the best at moving my arms back and forth really fast (oversimplification, but the point is that it is not a real social benefit to be able to swim fast), I sure as hell wouldn't do anything to risk it.
So while smoking a joint doesn't shock me, his stupidity does. He went through this before with a DUI, he should be smarter than that.
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How is swiping your license different than them carding you?
The bouncer at the door has better things to do than memorize every license that he comes across. The computer has nothing better to do.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
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I'd gladly pay double (and generally do!) to ski Deer Valley than most crowded places in Colorado.
I love the LDSers -- they run a clean operation and they don't let their religion get in the way of fun for tourists (I've NEVER had a problem drinking in Park City or SLC).
I thought less of him. But just for being stupid enough to let his picture get taken with a drug
Well, that was pretty stupid of him but in the day and age of the camera phone it's pretty hard to avoid having your picture taken. I think a lot less of the dipshit that took the picture and opted to give/sell it to a tabloid. Anybody with a half a brain could realize the likely outcome of that to a person like Phelps. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I wouldn't sell such a picture if I knew it was likely to ruin someones life/career.
not a real social benefit to be able to swim fast
Eh, it's a benefit to society in that it provides entertainment which provides rest and relaxation.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
I think much less of Michael Phelps for apologizing. He did absolutely nothing wrong.
You'd suck it up and apologize too if your livelihood was on the line....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Why not? Why should we not make fun of religion?
Want to do anything, anything at all and not get busted? Say: my religion says I must do it...
It is a "get out of jail" card. If we keep respecting religion as sacred and true, they will never mend.
We should respect people. People beliefs are fair game, though.
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New York (hardly a red state full of religious types) does something similar.
I lived in upstate NY for 6 long years and I can attest to the fact that, apart from NYC, it is basically a red state full of religious types.
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<= 3.2% ABV is NOT beer.
"It doesn't cost enough, and it makes too much sense."
What he really should do is grow a pair, and use his position as an incredible athlete to speak out against the persecution of pot smokers.
His performance in Beijing totally DESTROYS all the standard "potheads are losers who will never amount to anything" line of bullshit that we have been spoonfed for years.
He should also tell Kellogg's cereal to go fuck themselves, and seek sponsorship deals from EZ-Wider and Dominos Pizza. :)
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circumcised is way better .... I'm glad it happened back when I can't remember it.
So how do you know it's better? The vast majority of men who have been circumcised later in life (late enough to have experienced "pleasures of the flesh" before and after) say that it was way better before. (However, even that's not a conclusive argument, since perhaps the process affects you differently later in life.)
The ladies love it!
And THAT depends where you live... in this part of the world, it'd make most girls say something like, "That looks so weird! I didn't know you were Jewish..." (most people in Europe are not circumcised unless they're Jewish)
And, to reply to your first statement last:
Dude you should try it some time
Being an irreversible process, I'd rather not chance it...
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Kids don't do drugs, or you may grow up to have more gold medals then anyone else, or even the President of the United States.
Hopefully Obama follows through with his view that "we need to...decriminalize our marijuana laws". While I'm not a user I'm all for clearing our jails/prisons from harmless offenders, or saving billions from a failed 'drug war'.
You say he was stupid to get a picture taken while holding a joint, but really what is stupider ?
A. Smoking marijuana recreationally with friends, on private time ?
B. Believing that a photo of a harmless victimless act represents a big heinous crime punishable by shame and shunning ?
If you're desperate to fight drugs, at least fight the invariably evil ones like backyard meth and crack. Those drugs actually destroy people, but with pot, the drug itself is mostly harmless, it's the naysayers who are the ones destroying lives with their near-religious bigotry.
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