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DTV Converters In Short Supply

Ponca City, We Love You writes with a New York Times story saying there could be a shortage of DTV converter boxes in addition to the problem with coupons. "At the current rate of coupon redemption, 115,000 per day, plus sales without coupons, that means the current stock of converters could be sold out by the end of this month. So what would have happened if the whole digital transition worked the way it was supposed to? Many of those 3.7 million people would be marching into their local Radio Shack and Best Buy stores trying to buy converter boxes next weekend right before the scheduled cutoff on Feb. 17. And if the electronics association's numbers are right, the boxes would have sold out." Good thing the extended cut-off date was approved.

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  1. Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by WarJolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just a little piece that contributes to the greater problem.
    Somewhere along the way the government decided that television is a right and not a privilege. In every other type of technology when standards change and equipment has to be upgraded the consumer pays for it.

    I've heard the argument that the increased ad revenue makes the cost worth it(not sure if this is accurate) so why isn't the television companies paying for it? Plus it's not the guys who can't afford a $40 box that networks are advertising to.

    I can't think of a good reason why future generations of this country are going to pay for our television today.

    1. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buying everyone a radio is cheaper than buying everyone a converter box.

    2. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TV, like radio, is a way to get news out quickly to the population.

      News like people have to get off their fat asses before a certain date to get a DTV converter, else they'll no longer get TV?

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    3. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Somewhere along the way the government decided that television is a right and not a privilege.

      Because the public still owns the right to the airwaves. The TV companies are leasing the public's property, as negotiated by the government.

      By switching to digital transmission, significant amount of spectrum are freed up for other wireless purposes. Quite a bit of this spectrum is already leased out to new users once it's freed up. The government gets quite a bit of money out of this, on behalf of the public.

      Given the incovenience caused by this change in use, and the profit made by doing so, it's hardly unreasonable for the government to give some small amount of the profit made back to the public to mitigate the impact of the change.

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    4. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean the government has seized the rights to the airwaves. We public own nothing. Don't believe me? Try setting up a transmitter with any serious wattage -- even on an open frequency -- without a license and watch what happens to you.

      It wrinkles my feathers big time whenever the government claims something is "public", and yet the public has little control or voice over it. "Public" schools. "Public" airwaves. "Public" roads, etc.

      "Public" doesn't mean "you", it means "everyone".

    5. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by timholman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Am I depriving the community? Or providing a service? If no one was using that frequency anyway, who cares?

      How do you know no one is using the frequency? What if a licensed low power station 100 miles away is using it? You can't hear it, but when you put your pirate transmitter on the air, suddenly you're interfering with his signal. He paid the licensing fees for that spectrum. What are you doing to his rights to use the airwaves?

      Thank goodness we don't have to license our websites. I can reach a far greater number of people with my websites than I ever could with a transmitter. And yeah, I am "depriving" others the use of the domain names I've acquired.

      Wrong analogy. Internet bandwidth is essentially limitless - all you have to do is install the extra fiber and cables. The same with domain names - even at the peak of domain name squatting, no one ever had difficulties thinking of a new name and registering it.

      The public airwaves represent a limited set of resources that must be shared by potentially millions of people at the same time. You can't "add" to the spectrum as needed. It has to be regulated, or it will be worthless.

      I would do with the airwaves what I do with my websites -- provide free information, free commentary, and the like. The "benefit" to me is not described in terms of money, but in being able to make a tiny difference in the world I live in, which, in theory at least, should benefit all.

      And what if I then decide that I want to squat on top of your frequency with my bigger transmitter, and provide my own news, commentary, information, etc.? What then? Do we duel it out in the streets? Gather our respective gangs of anarchists and take axes to each others' equipment?

      A world of people who thought like you, and who each felt they had the "right" to use the airwaves as they saw fit, would make the electromagnetic spectrum completely useless. You'd have nothing but 24/7 jamming, interference, and constant battles as everyone tried to outshout each other with bigger transmitters.

      Sorry, but when it comes to the public spectrum, you have to have government regulation, else you will have nothing but anarchy and waste.

    6. Re:Why are we going in debt over CONVERTER BOXES? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, for one, I'm self employed, and have been for six years. I went back to school and got a degree which allows me to provide "mainstream" services, instead of the highly-specific aerospace engineering I originally went to school for. I live below my means, so if I ran out of work tomorrow I wouldn't be in that bad a situation. But that's all beside the point...

      People prefer TV over radio because it is more entertaining to the average user - the TV was most certainly not invented to advance the ability to convey emergency information. The only potential advantage it has for public safety is the viewing of maps for affected areas. Of course, given the quality of graphics on an NTSC screen of the size and age TV we're concerned about, an audible list of counties is just as accurate. No, there's no advantage of TV over radio in public safety announcements. Quite the opposite, a radio does not even need to be in the same room as the listener, as there is no dependence on visual information. It is also far more common to have a battery- or dynamo-powered radio than a TV, and many disasters require information be broadcast after the public electric grid has been compromised (broadcasters generally have very robust backup generation capabilities).

      The roof thing is a red herring. You do know that nearly all of the stations will be broadcasting from the exact same location as they currently are, and that roof antennas designed to pick up the typical UHF/VHF signals will be accurately aligned before and after the transition? I'm not aware of a common roof mounted antenna more than 10 years old which does not pick up UHF.

      I maintain that the force behind the delay are the networks. They have a captive audience in these late-adopters (no cable, no sat, no ATSC), and don't want to lose eyeballs in the middle of the TV season. By pushing the rollout back to June the switch will hit during reruns, when ad revenues and eyeballs are lower anyway. To lose viewership in the money making portion of the year scares the shit out of them.

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  2. Re:DTV Shopping list by repvik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you ask me, with a pop of 300 mill, I'd expect atleast 400 mill TVs.

  3. Re:DTV Shopping list by repvik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One in the kitchen, one in the bedroom and one in the livingroom. One in every waiting room, a couple at the office, a few at school etc.

  4. Good thing? by macraig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "... And if the electronics association's numbers are right, the boxes would have sold out." Good thing the extended cut-off date was approved.

    I'd wager that there's a statistically significant number of those procrastinators who are now gonna simply procrastinate until June, so that there will still be a tidal wave of demand, just delayed a few months. The delay might help and motivate some people to get off their asses, but not all.

    And hell, if the shelves really get emptied, well, I probably won't need one of mine by then so that will be one less desperate family.

    1. Re:Good thing? by sahonen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you ask me, the procrastinators deserve a time out from TV if they've been too lazy to get off their butts and get ready for something that's been planned for years and heavily advertised for months. Let em watch static until they can get a converter, the radio will work fine if there's an emergency.

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  5. Re:this isn't a good year for this by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps they should turn off the TV and either work on their resume and start networking, or go learn a new trade. I've yet to be convinced how watching network TV will re-employ several million jobseekers.

    As for the emergency services and weather and news, might I suggest a radio? Since most bedside alarm clocks have one, I would be surprised to find that their rate of adoption is less than TVs. Further, for the millions upon millions with a handheld radio, they tend to work far better than your average TV when there is an actual weather emergency as they don't require the local power grid to be functioning.

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  6. 10 years isn't long enough? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's how long the transition has been going on. The "turn off date" was several years ago. This extension is nothing new for those who have any clue about these things. Imagine how many people outside of IT would be surprised that BASIC is no longer a mainstream learning language. (To which 90% of the population would reply "what's a language, I turn my computer on and it does stuff")

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  7. Re:Where's my BlueRay player coupon? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WTF does this have to do with Democrats? Nothing.

    This transition is happening all over the world, not just in the U.S. Do you suppose also that the Democrats have control over the rest of the world? If so, you're a crackpot.

    Even if you suppose that the DTV transition in the U.S. is some Democratic party conspiracy unrelated to the DTV transition everywhere else in the world, you'd still be wrong. The Congressional Act that created the transition was the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005. That was passed with a Republican majority in Congress and a Republican in the White House.

    So all you Republicans going "this is Democratic Party Liberal Socialism" need to take a long look in the mirror, because YOU voted for it.

  8. Can't help but think that... by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if millions of people were to suddenly be forced to go without TV for a while, it would improve the collective mental health of the U.S. ... maybe just a bit.

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  9. Good thing? by seanmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good thing the extended cut-off date was approved.

    Bullshit - the original cut-off date was advertised for years. Anyone who's affected by the transition and *still* isn't ready for it should probably be watching less TV.

  10. No sympathy from me by jtrumpet207 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Honestly, we've all known about the change for at least 2 years now. If people that are still using rabbit ears to watch television couldn't once in that time go out and pick up their converters, it's their own fault. This delay should never have happened.

  11. Re:F*&K those people.. by speedlaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, they will. I once worked in a very large building complex (Starrett City, NY in Brooklyn). I was often assigned to answer the phone for maintenance-clogged toilets, leaky faucets, etc. One day, the Cable TV provider (there was one company for the whole complex) had to do some work, which shut off CATV to the entire complex. We NEVER got so many angry, screaming calls-repeatedly. I don't think a loss of Hot Water would cause so much angst. I'll never forget the day I had eight hours of every single shut-in, or elderly, or mom at home with kids and no soaps, call me over and over. (No maam, I don't know when the cable guys will be done...yes I'm sorry...have a good day) YOU may have four internet connections, get TV via Bittorrent, and run OSX on your Netbook, but for a lot of folks, the on/off switch and the channel selector are all they run. Don't think what comes out, even if pure crap, is not important to those folks.

  12. I don't get the issue here by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Televisions have included digital tuners for years. DTV boxes are cheap and plentiful. If somebody at this late stage hasn't bothered to either redeem a coupon or take the massive $40 hit to buy the decoder box after years of warnings, then tough shit. At worst it only means waiting a couple of days for a store to get new stock in. I swear that some people will never be ready for anything and you've just got to set a cutoff and stick to it. If people still manage to ignore the warning and get their service cutoff then its their own fault.

  13. Re:this isn't a good year for this by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And why should I have had to change two of my outdoor light timer switches two years ago (at about $30 each) because some goofball in DC decided that moving DST by a month would be a cute prank?

    Did your neighbor sign up for the two free boxes via the coupon program? You, know, the one which has be advertised on TV for the last year? (For the record, I did, and didn't get them in the mail. They have since expired. FTC still won't re-issue them).

    No program is perfect - there are always fringe cases. Had your neighbor put a dime a day into a mason jar for his (or her) precious TV a year ago, there would have been enough to buy a converter today.

    Besides, he/she was born before TV; think of it as a return to his/her childhood.

    (sorry, I don't mean to be an ass, but $40 really is a small amount of money, even on a budget. If you don't have $40 worth of elasticity in your monthly budget, you're in far deeper trouble than not getting to watch The Price is Right. Now, if you want to argue the endless frustration a non-technically-savvy end user will have hooking up said converter - fire away. I'm all with you on how they fucked up the entire process by ignoring remodulation of HD signals over the venerable coaxial cable, and )

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