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Flash Mob Steals $9 Million From ATMs

Mike writes "A global flash mob of ATM thieves netted $9 million in fraud against ATMs in 49 cities around the world. The computer system for a company called RBS WorldPay was hacked. One service of the company is the ability for employers to pay employees with the money going directly to a debit card that can be used in any ATM. The hacker was able to infiltrate the supposedly secure system and steal the information necessary to duplicate or clone people's ATM cards. Shortly after midnight Eastern Time on November 8, the FBI believes that dozens of the so-called cashers were used in a coordinated attack on ATMs around the world. Over 130 different ATMs in 49 cities worldwide were accessed in a 30-minute period on November 8. 'We've never seen one this well coordinated,' the FBI said. So far, the FBI has no suspects and has made no arrests (PDF) in this scam."

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  1. cough by easyTree · · Score: 5, Funny

    in other news a flash mob recovered all the rights that have been stolen from the people by their governments over the last few years

    1. Re:cough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obama is in office, you can stop saying things like that. He's going to fix everything, the internet told me so. ;)

  2. And the money went where? by Hieronymus.N · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, were they on the honor system to funnel the cash back to the 'hacker'? Or was this like winning the lottery?

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    1. Re:And the money went where? by Gorobei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It was probably structured like a lot of the stolen credit-card number sites: a high-reputation user announces an opportunity, then many other users pay up-front to participate. At the given time, the critical info is released to all, and it's then every man for himself trying to grab as much money as possible.

    2. Re:And the money went where? by Gorobei · · Score: 5, Informative

      I went and RTFA. Given 130+ ATMs in 50 cities, definitely looks like the sell-it model, not a massive criminal organization: very high fan-out (50 cities) and low leaf count (about 3 ATMs per second level node.) That shape is never seen in ongoing organized businesses - they should have a much more uniform hierarchical structure (e.g. 50 cities = 2500 ATMs.)

    3. Re:And the money went where? by Gorobei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Two excellent analogies. I've been looking at corporations (in the broad sense) for 30 years, and it took me a long time to realize that you might as well ignore what people say about how they organize, and just look at what the organization actually is. That tells you almost everything you need to know.

  3. How's this a flash mob? by Fumus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought flash mobs are groups of people in the same place at the same time. Not all over the world?

    1. Re:How's this a flash mob? by bluesatin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought flash mobs are groups of people in the same place at the same time. Not all over the world?

      By the name, I suppose a flash mob suggests a mob of people doing something 'in a flash' (in a short period of time).

      A mob doesn't necessarily have to be in the same spot, at least it doesn't have to be the way I understand it.

      Perhaps in the past a mob would have to be in the same location, but due to the way the world is all interlinked nowadays someone can affect something on the otherside of the world, meaning the world has gotten a lot 'smaller' as such.

    2. Re:How's this a flash mob? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were all in the same place at the same time - cyberspace, Nov 8, 05:00 UTC.

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    3. Re:How's this a flash mob? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Funny

      $9M in 49 cities around the world without a trace, but the joke's on them, because we know it wasn't a real flash mob. And isn't that really what matters?

  4. $9 Million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $9 Million stolen from a bank? Peanuts compared to the next $900 Billion the banks are stealing back again - a hundred thousand times more.... I can't even get to grips with that scale of money....

    1. Re:$9 Million? by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      $9 Million stolen from a bank? Peanuts compared to the next $900 Billion the banks are stealing back again - a hundred thousand times more.... I can't even get to grips with that scale of money....

      There's a BIG difference. One group was a bunch of unimaginative, unethical, thieving liars and cowards. The other group had the imagination to do something and take advantage of a weak poorly designed system that gets the guys with the badges and guns after you.

      It takes a REAL criminal mind to lobby the regulatory agencies and Congress with dirty money to make your thieving legal. And it's really a piece of work when those lying thieves walk away with tens of millions of dollars in bonuses for cheating.

    2. Re:$9 Million? by bremstrong · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, $9M is nothing. These guys need to recruit some Chief Ponzi Officers from the Wall St. banks.

    3. Re:$9 Million? by neotritium · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a BIG difference. One group was a bunch of unimaginative, unethical, thieving liars and cowards. The other group wasn't made up of bank executives.

      ^ Fixed.

  5. This doesn't sound right by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article says over $9,000,000 was stolen using only 100 cards in 49 cities in a 30 minute period. That, boys and girls, is $90,000 per card. The article says the limits on the cards were overridden, using them to make withdrawals in multiple increments of $500 or so. $90,000 / $500 is 180 withdrawals in a 30 minute period, or 6 withdrawals per minute.

    This article doesn't pass the basic sniff test. It reeks of either disinformation or seriously bad math.

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    1. Re:This doesn't sound right by caspper69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The article says over $9,000,000 was stolen using only 100 cards in 49 cities in a 30 minute period. That, boys and girls, is $90,000 per card. The article says the limits on the cards were overridden, using them to make withdrawals in multiple increments of $500 or so. $90,000 / $500 is 180 withdrawals in a 30 minute period, or 6 withdrawals per minute.

      This article doesn't pass the basic sniff test. It reeks of either disinformation or seriously bad math.

      Yes, but it doesn't say how many copies of each card they made.

    2. Re:This doesn't sound right by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it is like the "street value" quoted in a drug bust, or like an RIAA accounting for music "theft".

      Here we have $9,000,000 listed as the retail value of the loss, the actual paper money they got is nearly worthless, because ATMs only issue "bank notes", nothing more.

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    3. Re:This doesn't sound right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's look at it another way.

      $9MM / ($500 / transaction) / 130 ATMs / 30 min = ~4.6 transactions/ATM/min

      Still seems rather high. I suppose I've never timed it, but it always feels like it takes more than 13 seconds to get my money at an ATM...

    4. Re:This doesn't sound right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      About five Euro.

    5. Re:This doesn't sound right by iTowelie · · Score: 4, Funny

      My fastest time is 17 seconds from the time the card goes in until the card comes out. That includes entering my PIN, selecting chequeing/withdrawal, amount of money, dispense money, give me back my card. Not all ATMs will give me that time due to different menus/longer authentication times etc. Don't ask me why I would time something so stupid in my day to day life, but I pride myself at quick withdrawals. Wait a minute...

      iTowelie

  6. Holy Bonus Batman! by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's almost as much as John Thain (of Merrill Lynch) thought he should get for securing the bailout funds!

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    1. Re:Holy Bonus Batman! by tres · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is such an insightful comment.

      I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. — Thomas Jefferson

      and I still had mod points just yesterday...

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  7. Looking at their photos... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Funny

    They don't look like someone who just won a lottery to me.

    They look more like homeless people.
    Which brings up the question - why aren't there more homeless people robbing banks out there?

    I mean... they are in a clear advantage.
    They are invisible AND they have nothing to lose.
    Worst case scenario - they get sent to a jail. HA!
    3 meals a day, clothing, housing and health-care at the cost of the society.

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    1. Re:Looking at their photos... by jschen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Reminds me of a news story where someone held up a bank for $20, then waited for the police and turned himself in. In court, he asked to be put in prison until the end of the year in order to save money. In the news article I read, the judge said something to the effect of "It's not the best financial planning, but at least there's a plan."

    2. Re:Looking at their photos... by Guido+von+Guido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which brings up the question - why aren't there more homeless people robbing banks out there?

      Because robbing banks requires at least a modicum of ability, some organizational skill, and a bit of motivation. If you've got all of the above, you're unlikely to be homeless in the first place.

      Gotta disagree. Homelessness doesn't correlate well with a lack of ability or organizational skill, or even lack of motivation. It does, however, correlate well with heavy addiction and mental illness, both of which make it pretty damn hard to use one's ability or organizational skills.

  8. Re:How is it a mob at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see a crowd here.

    zoom out.

  9. I wonder by hibiki_r · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did they hack the ATM machines after stealing the PIN numbers?

    I have to go work in some CSS style sheets for a web site that links ISBN numbers to UPC codes. I hope they don't make me redundant.

  10. ATM Machines? by JerkBoB · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what the PIN Number was that they all used in those ATM Machines. Maybe they used a custom PCB Board to prototype the hack. Then they downloaded the plans onto a CD Disc. I'll bet they literally died after they got away with all the cash.

    Anyways, I could care less.

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  11. RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RBS Worldpay is the Royal Bank of Scotlands Worldpay cheapo net transactions processor. The processor is shit (and expensive), and RBS are basically owned by the UK govt. after the bailout.
    So if you use Worldpay on your website, I would get shot of it sharpish. They are the kind of outfit that will have multiple holes in their security. (I used to use their payment processor back in 2002.)

  12. Re:Inquiring minds want to know by Jim+Efaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did he hack the bank across state lines from his home?

    That's not a requirement for a federal crime in the US; theft from any federally insured bank (which is almost all of them) is a U.S. federal crime, even if the crime occurred in only one state and even if the bank operates under a state charter.

  13. And his sidekick. . . by tuna_wasabi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Redundant Boy!

    Also, since the N in PIN stands for Number, saying PIN number is redundant. TFA didn't make this mistake, but since they go together so often I though I'd point it out for completeness.

    One time I heard a friend say "I want to get some cash out of the ATM Machine, but I can't remember my PIN Number."

    He's dead now.

  14. Funniest ATM theft I've heard of by cdn-programmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The funniest ATM theft I've heard of took place in Saskatchewan, Canada. This took place on a long weekend in a sleepy little rural town.

    4:00 AM sees our thieves breaking into the local gravel contractor. After breaking through the gate they steal a gravel truck and an oxy-acetelene torch. Next stop is the post treating plant about 1/2 mile (1 km) down the highway. They steal a loader. This is what is used to load poles and posts onto semi-trailors.

    By now its about 4:15 or so. Did they make noise? Well - a diesel truck and 350 HP diesel loader will make some noise I suppose. It woke some of the locals up.

    Around the corner from the bank about one (1) block away is the local police station which is manned 24x7. The police are at their desks thinking the gravel contractor must be getting an early start this morning.

    So the thieves drive the loader over to the bank. The reach in through the roof totally demolishing the building and grab the ATM which is firmly bolted to the concrete floor and footings. Seems the concrete wasn't much of a match for the 350 HP loader because the ATM was cleanly plucked through the gapping hole and dropped into the back of the dump truck.

    By now the cops were heading for their cars thinking there must have been a big accident on Main Street.

    Our thieves meanwhile shut off the loader and hopped into the dump truck and took off.

    A few miles south of town they stopped at an abandoned farm yard and took their time with the oxy-acetelene torch and chopped the ATM apart.

    Having done this they took the money and casually left the scene of the crime. So far no one has been caught! So far apparently these thieves are keeping their mouths closed. Apparently there are no leads.

    The best part of this story is the locals still laugh about their bank robbery! When you live in a sleepy Saskatchewan rural town then once in a while a little excitement spices up an otherwise dreary life.

  15. How about... Hacking the ATM from the ATM? by denzacar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    May I be so bold to suggest that there was no actual "hacking" taking place at all?
    By "hacking" I mean the stuff that movies and TV tells us that hacking looks like.
    A bespectacled nerd in his teens or early twenties, furiously typing something at his green and black screen filled with lines upon lines of scrolling text, uttering "Come on... come on..." until he suddenly "hacks the Gibson" and a welcome screen appears, upon which he jumps up yelling "YES! I AM INVINCIBLE!".

     

    TFA tells us the following:

    Here is the amazing part: With these cashers ready to do their dirty work around the world, the hacker somehow had the ability to lift those limits we all have on our ATM cards. For example, I'm only allowed to take out $500 a day, but the cashers were able to cash once, twice, three times over and over again. When it was all over, they only used 100 cards but they ripped off $9 million.

    - known limit - $500
    - 100 ATMcards used
    - $9 million gone

    That comes out to about 90k per card, right?

     
    Does anyone remember that little issue with Tranax ATMs from couple of years ago?
    It smells to me that something similar happened here. Someone leaving the ADMIN pass at 55555555 or 12345678.
    There was probably no need for hacking cards - they probably left the same limit.
    Instead, he/she/or it - just changed the codes for banknotes inside the machine.

    So... you just tell the ATM that its 100s are 5s - and then repeatedly ask for 5s.
    $500 limit coughs up ~$100.000 +/- couple of earlier withdrawals that already left the machine a few 100s short.

    In other words - about $90.000 per card.

     

     
    The beauty of it?

    Those suspects in the photos may be regular Joes and Janes who came later, found the machine giving 100s for 5s - and got caught on camera.

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