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Build a BoxeeBox and Wean Yourself From Cable

Since I've been having serious problems with satellite all week, DeviceGuru's submission was really interesting to me. He says "Inspired by Roku's awesome Netflix video download box and impressed with Boxee's free A/V media center platform, it was merely a matter of time before DeviceGuru blogger Rick Lehrbaum would create the BoxeeBox, an Ubuntu-powered HTPC with Boxee serving as its primary media center UI. Based on a 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo CPU, the BoxeeBox has the look and feel of consumer A/V equipment and packs 2GB RAM, 1TB HDD, CD/DVD drive, USB, Firewire, HDMI, DVI-D, RGB, and 8-channel surround sound audio."

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  1. Sub $500? by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's nice and all, but how about something sub $300. If one of these can be built sub $200 (including the tuner), I would buy it today.

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    1. Re:Sub $500? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I couldn't agree more. A $500 box would free me from cable, at the price of about 18 months worth of cable. That's not a very good ROI. $300 would at least break me free in a year or so. (I don't have digital cable, if I did, it would probably be much quicker) Also, why do you never see these set top boxes with the over the air tuners? I would love one that acted as my digital TV tuner too

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    2. Re:Sub $500? by Striikerr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why? The point of Roku is that you can get netflix content. The BoxeeBox is not going to do that.

      Umm, yes the Boxee Box WILL get NetFlix streaming content. It can connect into your NetFlix account and it displays all of the Streamable content presently in your queue. It will also let you browse other streamable content. I have used Boxee to access my NetFlix streamable content on my Mac connected to my TV. It is an amazing application!

    3. Re:Sub $500? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've got an old Athlon with Mythbuntu and XBMC sitting in the living room streaming content off my home network, and I'm quite content not having cable. People who visit that do have cable with all the trimmings want to know how they can buy what I've got because it's better than what they have at home.

      I could use another terabyte drive on the thing though...

      Why isn't the free distribution of cultural content considered part of a countries diplomatic budget? It should be...

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    4. Re:Sub $500? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buy and old xbox. It's not going to do HD content, but Boxee is a fork of XBMC. Using XBMC+rtorrent+pytvshotws I have what can be assumed to be a near identical setup. The 'server' is in a different room and it has 2TB of space.

    5. Re:Sub $500? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What good would a channel guide do you if you cancel your cable and no longer have "channels" to tune into? Sounds like some people haven't really thought this through.

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    6. Re:Sub $500? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      XBMC Live - Better than Boxee and uses far less Horsepower for 720p HDTV.

      I built one for $190.00 with a P4-3ghz proc and motherboard, all the goodies including a 8600gt video card and MCE remote. expense was the hard drive to hold all the 5Gig AVI HDTV movie rips. I use a python script with command line bittorrent and wget to silently pull all podcasts and tv shows I am after to the box. works great and I dont have to have a tuner card. Add an additional $99.00 of you want it to look like a stereo piece, or buy a old replay TV for $20.00 and hammer everything inside that case.

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    7. Re:Sub $500? by Bassman59 · · Score: 3, Funny

      My big road block to ditching cable? My wife.

      Specifically, the fact that her main use for the cable is watching those god-awful HGTV/TLC shows: "John and Kate Plus Eight", "Flip that House", "Property Virgins", "Clean House", that kind of thing.

      If she likes that crap, you have grounds for divorce right there. No judge would deny it.

    8. Re:Sub $500? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because we operate under the premise that things like movies wouldn't be made in any meaningful quantity if people weren't going to pay. True some people do create low budget films for free, but the number is pretty small and the production quality isn't usually as good. Plus some types of movies are just too expensive to do right, even if you're being budget consious.

      The only reason we had protections for Copyright, Trademark and Patent in the legal code originally was to ensure that there was an incentive to produce. Even if you're wanting to give away your code, photos, books, what have you, the protection does ensure that you have legal redress should somebody use it for purposes you don't approve of.

      Were we to have that level of deregulation in the IP market, you'd have only the choice of produce or not produce, with no option to control it at all.

  2. popcornhour rules by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    If you don't want DIY and something non-geek friendly for ~$200 check out the popcornhour network media tanks. Streams from a server or user-installed hard disk. Plays x264, divx, xvid, wmv, etc all at up to 1080p.

    We own two and just love them.

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  3. Re:This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota by modf · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's back up for me, but here is a cached version just in case:

    http://74.125.47.132/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviceguru.com%2Fthe-boxeebox-cookbook%2F

  4. Since we can't RTFA, I don't get it by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TFS makes it sound like you can replace your cable (or satellite) provider with this box. Where is the (non-OTA) broadcast content coming from. Has he made a wife-capable Hulu scraper? If so, and Hulu agrees not to break the box every couple of months, then I'm interested. If it's just "you can download stuff that's a year old and on DVD from netflix, do OTA, and access your personal media collection," then it's really not much better than what already exists.

    Unless it's that he's put it into a nice looking box. In which case...he's just discovered the world of HTPC cases.

    I'd love to believe, but without an article I'm puzzled at where the novelty is.

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  5. Could someone fill us in? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since the site is slashdotted and the summary is a little shy on details, can someone summarize how this thing works without cable? I know you can torrent some shows and watch some on sites like hulu, but that doesn't really "replace cable" (especially if you watch HD content). So how does this media center work with no cable input?

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    1. Re:Could someone fill us in? by SilverJets · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So then it doesn't free you from cable since you cannot reliably download copyrighted content.

      Bittorrent? Ok..if you don't mind waiting days for it to dribble down to your PC. And that's if the file is actually what the title says it is. Not that anyone would offer a file for torrent with one name and have it be something completely different.

      Usenet news suffers from the same problem. Trying to decipher some of the file names people use can take longer than the actual download.

      Hulu? Nice start. But so much is missing and content is getting rotated off pretty quickly lately.

  6. Re:This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sides good trolls know how to time things JUST right.

    Skipping unnecessary characters such as "b", "e", and "," can make all the difference!

  7. Linux as an HTPC frontend by Riddles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this basically sums up my experience with these devices over the past couple of years. Getting any pc to do decent tv-out is a nightmare (Modeline Hell as he calls it). Getting sound on both regular outputs and digital outputs with Alsa is "challenging" to say the least. And then I just want the box to suspend and wake-up using a remote. Again, that's possible in theory, but somehow I've never found a board that will reliably go into S3 and wakeup from S3 over and over again. If you finally get it to work once, it suddenly doesn't work the second time.

    Finally, I've just switched to a UPNP frontend for my Mythtv backend. It turns on and off in 5-10 secs, does both analog and digital audio outputs and I've never had issues with its tv outputs. I've lost some functionality, but at least it's reliable and "just works".

    1. Re:Linux as an HTPC frontend by JoeBorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a kind of unique perspective on this, we're actually building a discless Ubuntu TVPC box for mass production and its clear that getting it to "just work" at least in all situations does take some work. We use a new chipset (AMD 780g) because it supports audio over HDMI (note that many of the comments on here quietly note that they are using DVI with analog audio of some kind) nVidia's drivers still don't support this. We're actually working directly with ATI to make sure that the graphics chipset resumes properly from sleep, that it auto-senses the display properly, etc. For many on here, those kind of hiccups are no big deal, but when it comes to the WAF or making a real mainstream product, there is a lot of little details that need fixing. Take my word, there is a lot of tweaking needed to truly have something "just work" and bear in mind that we're dealing with production runs of perfectly identical hardware, so the problem goes up dramatically if you are piecing together a variety of components in a DIY way, although I suppose you have more options of tweaking during install than we have for a product sold to consumers at retail.

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  8. Re:Version 1.6 Warning by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buy a used xbox from someplace that lets your look at it first.

    Who has tried this at a local GameStop or somewhere? Or where else would you recommend that would be available to people in most parts of the United States?

    Short version: if it was made before 2004, it's pre-1.6

    The Version 1.6 Warning page states that Xbox consoles can be updated to 1.6 through the Internet. By "look at it" do you mean "turn it on before paying for it"?

    You can still use a hardware mod chip on a 1.6 box.

    For many users, it takes less time==money to buy a Popcorn Hour box than to learn to solder.

  9. Re:slight difference by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Inspired" by this little $100 box, I decided to make a clone that's 30x bigger and only cost me $600.

    Damn, I'm impressed. That thing must be HUGE.

    Where do you put it? In spare room? In a shed out back? Please, let us know.

  10. An easier solution by stickyc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For those who don't wish to spend as much time assembling and tweaking, but still want to enjoy Boxee goodness; You can buy a refurbished Mac Mini, DVIHDMI dongle, and 1tb external disk for roughly the same price as the author spent on his Ubuntu rig. Boxee is available (and started) as a native OS-X application. Plus, with OS-X, you can get streaming HD Netflix.

  11. As someone who's done this (for a few years now).. by msimm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few quick points:

    Disclaimer: your mileage, needs and interests may vary.

    1) I liked MythTV on Ubuntu which I most recently installed using Mythbuntu. The Xbmc derivatives look nice, but never so compelling I actually used one (because I was already using something I liked).
    2) If you plan to use it, consider not fscking with it. Having a TV on the fritz because you tweak the software constantly can sometimes be pretty annoying (maybe mostly to the *other* people).
    3) Consider 2 disks. Maybe it's just me, but after a few reinstals/etc I occasionally get sloppy and screw up my partitioning.
    4) Keep a hobby PC to play around (if you like to) with and let the HTPC just work TM.
    5) If you have a (non-geek) wife, consider not going the home-build route and using a Xbox or something like (which, after 4 or so years is what I use, exclusively) the D-Link DSM-750 (along with a DNLA server like the cross-platform Twonky) this way you end up with a slim, attractive, wireless (803.11n), fanless, HD streaming media device that will allow you to plug your previously computer-bound content (Ogg and MKV included) directly into your HDTV (without having hassle with it).

    Of all the solutions I've used this has worked the best for me. But like I said, your ymmv (and I'd be curious to hear about it).

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