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IBM Files Patent For Bullet-Dodging Bionic Armor

An anonymous reader writes with news that IBM has filed a patent for "Bionic body armor" that would protect a wearer from long-range gunfire by detecting the incoming bullets and administering small shocks to the appropriate muscles required for moving out of the way. Quoting the patent: "When a marksman (such as a sniper) is attempting to fire a projectile from a firearm, the marksman typically prefers to be as far away from the target as possible, thus giving him or her a head start for the escape after the firing. As an example, the longest reported sniper hit was from a distance of about 2500 meters, resulting in a time of flight of about 4 seconds for the projectile/bullet. Had the target been aware of the inbound projectile, avoiding it by simply walking away would have been possible." After detecting the projectile, the armor would calculate the trajectory and "stimulate the target to move in a predefined manner ... sufficient to avoid any contact with the approaching projectile."

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  1. Stimulate to move... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Right into the path of another bullet. Or a truck. Or an electric fence. etc.

    1. Re:Stimulate to move... by beh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmmm - to make the wearer escape the shot, the shocks would basically have to be admitted from one side only, to make the wearer move away from that side...

      I wonder whether it could be used differently - e.g. make the wearer move in front of a moving car (ouch); or better, aid kidnappers by sending out a signal which actually makes the wearer jump / move towards the kidnappers getaway car - it would make kidnapping so much easier, if the victim would actually help you... ;-)

      The question then would obviously be, can the armor be tricked into believing that WAS an incoming shot that would require this particular movement to evade 'the shot'...?

    2. Re:Stimulate to move... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Either way. I won't be counting on being alive after a .50 cal round or something that big. Even a .308 must hit you like a truck. Also what about light but higher velocity rounds --like a .270 or something. The energy from a 308 is higher IIRC but the velocity means the impact forces could be higher.

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    3. Re:Stimulate to move... by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And the ceramic body armour breaks after only one bullet. After that you are on your own.

      Actually, the plates generally in use by NATO nations are designed to stop up to 3 hits from 7.62 rounds. Now, granted "designed to" doesn't mean they will, but if you're suggesting that the plate is useless after only one hit from a 5.56 round, then you're just plain wrong.

      Fortunately, I've never actually been hit with either a 5.56 or a 7.62 myself. But I've seen people get hit, and I'm not sure if there were multiple hits on the same plate or not. In Lebanon two years ago we couldn't even exchange our equipment for two weeks, and I wasn't keeping score of who was getting hit or where (front, back). But I can attest that no one was seriously injured by a bullet through the armour. I should probably mention that we were absorbing a nice mix of 5.56 (M16), 7.62 short (AK47) and 5.54 (AK74) rounds (and the occasional mortar or RPG!).

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    4. Re:Stimulate to move... by tylerni7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is anyone important enough to wear bullet dodging armor is someone important enough to fetch a large ransom.

    5. Re:Stimulate to move... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In _Iraq_? Darned straight they'll wear it on convoy duty or for presidential guard duty, if it works.

      It's also _completely_ useless against long-range sniper rounds, since those exceed the speed of sound quite easily. I have a reference page for the US M99 open right now. At 1000 yards, which is well within the capabilities of a well-trained sniper, the velocity of a round is 1500 fps. That's roughly 40% faster than the speed of sound.

      And simply peppering an area with remote gunfire causing US troops to dance like Jennifer Beals in Flashdance? Put a soundtrack of 'What A Feeling' on, and I'd pay to see it.

    6. Re:Stimulate to move... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course, now they have dragon skin armor:

      Can stop a grenade safely, and multiple hits.

      Stopping grenade shrapnel has never been a problem. The earliest soft body armour would stop grenade shrapnel, and not bullets.

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    7. Re:Stimulate to move... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bullshit, the Dragon Skin guys cooked their test data, they are being prosecuted; their armor is NOT better,

      Read your own link, fucktard. No one is being "prosecuted", and the question of whether the DragonSkin product is better or not is still up in the air. I have seen about a 50:50 split on reports that one side or the other skewed the test procedure to make one or the other come out on top. I wore the current Army OTV off and on for 2 years and have seen it both fail and succeed first hand.

      The live fire test guys who evaluate this stuff take their jobs very seriously, they didn't buy that crap armor for good reason (performance not price).

      Yeah, no one would ever manipulate a test to make the product chosen look better. I've spent too many years using the end result of DoD procurement and testing procedure to have absolute faith in it. Sure, the guys conducting the test might be serious straight shooters, but what do you know about the pentagon political hacks who drew up the test procedure? Was it tailored to subtly exploit a particular weakness of the Pinnacle product? Pinnacle seems to think so.

      Not everything is a conspiracy by the corrupt gubment.

      No, but DoD procurement is rife with idiots who make poor decisions, and then go to the ends of the earth to back up those poor decisions, because to admit error is to admit incompetence, and promotions get harder when you've admitted incompetence. The Pentagon is a political rat's nest, full of infighting, backstabbing, and deal-cutting.

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    8. Re:Stimulate to move... by fractoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, how about another one: A distributed network of microphones linked by radio.

      I believe I've read about similar things being developed/trialled for deployment in Iraq, precisely for the purpose of pinpointing sniper shots. They just airdrop a bajillion little gizmoes that are basically a GPS, a radio and a mic. They detect a gunshot, and squeal their position and the exact timestamp of the shot. Any radio listening can triangulate gunshots much faster than a bullet (or the sound front) can move.

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  2. Mechanism of detection? by tenco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how they want to detect an approaching projectile. By sound wouldn't give really much of a head start. Anyway, detecting a projectile, calculating an approximate flight path and stimulating including biomechanical lag would have to happen in a really short period of time.

    1. Re:Mechanism of detection? by jcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder how they want to detect an approaching projectile.

      Millimeter-wave radar would do fine, as long as the bullet was metallic. I've read about another idea for protecting people from gunfire which was a radar-triggered airbag that would pop up if anything within a hundred feet or so was moving too fast. The air bag would be made of kevlar, and the a bullet hitting it would stop like an arrow hitting a curtain.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Mechanism of detection? by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The idea wasn't to wear them, but to install them along the ground where the potential target would be walking.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Mechanism of detection? by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is not quite the full story. lighter rounds are affected by wind far more than heaver rounds. I know the .50 cal and .308 are typical rifles used for this sort of thing, and they have high velocity but not the highest, but run heaver bullets. Also lighter bullets loose there energy faster than heaver ones. So too light and it will be going pretty slow when it gets there. Finally there is a limit to the velocity from the physics of gases and the chemistry that makes the highest velocity in the 1500 m/s range. And thats pushing it for a rifle. IIRC the .50 cal is more like 1000 m/s.

      I have a .270 that has a muzzle velocity in the 1300m/s range (IIRC). Its a real flat trajectory out to about 700m but drops off real quick after than. We also call it a meat bruiser ;).

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    4. Re:Mechanism of detection? by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An airbag armor system would be effectively a Whipple Shield. The penetration of a projectile is blunted by multiple layers of a material separated by a small distance. The initial layers progressively shatter the projectile into smaller parts, each of which have less penetration capability into the next layer. The concept is used in spacecraft to defend against small space debris but it has also been used in tank armor.

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  3. Re:This sounds way too good to be true.... by espiesp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, light is an electromagnetic signal I guess.

    If the wearer had a 360* light sensor on top of his head, and it was tuned to detect small flashes in the particular light signature of a rifle flash, something like this could work I suppose.

    While I'm pretty confident that the electronics could react fast enough for at least a 1000meter range, I'm really not sure how fast the human body responds to the electrical impulses. If the last time I touched live 110v AC is any indication that's pretty bloody fast.

  4. Re:Great - Throw 'em around during a firefight by neokushan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I suppose the logic is this:

    Without the suit, you WILL be hit by a bullet.
    WITH the suit, you MIGHT accidentally fling yourself off a cliff or whatever.

    I'll take the latter odds over the former odds any day of the week.

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  5. Re:Great - Throw 'em around during a firefight by repvik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the wearer is about to pull the trigger on his M72 LAW when someone fires a rifle at him, do you think it's a Good Idea (TM) to jerk the person around?

    Without the suit, you WILL be hit by a bullet.
    WITH the suit, you MIGHT accidentally blow up your whole team.

  6. It's just a patent. by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A bullet is a very very small target for any radar to detect, even with very sensitive equipment. However something moving at 1000m/s is a very distinct doppler rader signature, wich makes it MUCH easier to detect. From there this is plausible.

    It's just a patent, it doesn't represent any actual project planned and certainly is no waste of bailout/stimulous package money.

    I for one welcom such advances, as some day our troops will be wearing exoskeletons which may be able to make movements for the wearer - this is a step towards the machine revolution, where we are all anhiliated by robotic exoskeletons where the human is either dead or no longer has control... oh crap.

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  7. Re:wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Probably the lamest idea ever. Long range sniper kills of this type represent an insignificant minority of deaths, they really think people are going to wear this crap?

    Finally -- a voice of reason.

    What you say describes exactly what Bruce Schneier calls "movie-plot terrorist threats". People who think up this crap are the same as parents who take separate airline flights so the their children won't lose both in case of an airline accident. But they go together in the same car to the airport -- a far more dangerous proposition.

    It's called lack of perspective.

    There just isn't a way to choose in advance between the plane that landed in the river and the more recent one that crashed with the loss of 49 people.