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Gamers, EFF Speak Out Against DRM

Last month, we discussed news that the FTC would be examining DRM to see if it needs regulation. They set up a town hall meeting for late March, and part of that effort involved requesting comments from potential panelists and the general public. Ars Technica reports that responses to the request have been overwhelmingly against DRM, and primarily from gamers. The Electronic Frontier Foundation also took the opportunity to speak out strongly against DRM, saying flat out that "DRM does not prevent piracy," and suggesting that its intended purpose is "giving some industry leaders unprecedented power to influence the pace and nature of innovation and upsetting the traditional balance between the interests of copyright owners and the interests of the public." Their full public comments (PDF) describe several past legal situations supporting that point, such as Sony's fight against mod chips, Blizzard's DMCA lawsuit against an alternative to battle.net, and Sony's XCP rootkit.

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  1. Re:RIGHT battle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're wrong.

    DRM circumvention is a trusted-client-subversion problem, not a cryptanalytic problem (which is, indeed, much harder, though not typically impossible).

    In DRM scenarios (which is what distinguishes them from securable encryption scenarios), the attacker has the ciphertext and the key, albeit possibly in an obfuscated or hard-to-access form. Given a sufficiently motivated attacker who has the key (in whatever form) under their control, the DRM scheme will always lose. (I've never seen any copy-protection scheme survive a serious attack, and I probably never will.)

    The VideoGuard scheme used by Sky is broken in various ways, but the crackers are very secretive, and the breaks are almost unpublished (thanks mostly to heavy crackdowns). The presence of unencrypted transport stream rips of HDTV broadcasts proves the existence. You can't get the cracks easily; but clearly someone must indeed have them.

  2. Re:What a timely story by wc_paladin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Valve will reset the key to your account if you follow the instructions on this page

    Also, you should go back to the store you bought the game from, ask to see the manager, and tell him one of his employees is stealing CD keys from the games.

  3. Re:What a timely story by schnikies79 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had that happen with The Orange Box (sealed package with in-use key). A email to Valve and a copy of receipt was all it took to get a legit key. Took about 2 days.

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  4. Re:Wrong battle? by johnsonav · · Score: 4, Informative

    The DMCA was a horrid idea, just like the eternal "copyright extensions" (which should have been unconstitutional as ex post facto law changes anyways) the content cartels have been buying constantly.

    "Ex post facto" has a specific legal meaning, which is completely different than whatever you think it means. Copyright extensions do suck, but they don't have anything to do with "ex post facto".

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  5. Just spinning your wheels by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative
    I can understand why copyright holders might like to demonise copyright violation by comparing it to violent theft, but why does the FSF have to fall for and even perpetuate this junk?

    The use of the word "piracy" to describe copyright infringement is as old as the 1709 Statute of Anne

    --- when the Black Flag still flew over the Caribbean.

    The geek is NEVER going to win this argument.

  6. Re:RIGHT battle! by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to mention that the DRM that is in these games is costing folks money and time right now. As a PC repairman I can't count the number of times I have had machines brought to me because "it is acting funny" with strange errors, all burns of CD/DVD would fail, drives are killing themselves, etc. And when I found there wasn't an infection I would immediately begin looking for a DRM "infection" and sure enough it would be infected. I have watched Safedisc and SecuROM throw drives into PIO mode(which will burn them up) Starforce cause all kinds of program failures and weird crashes, etc. These programs are often worse than many of the malware apps written today as far as causing trouble.

    It has gotten bad enough that I now longer buy games at release date anymore. I wait until they have been out 6 months at least, then I buy the nice box and put it in the closet. Since I have bought the game I then go and download the "safe" version at one of the many sites available. Sad that the "pirate" version is actually better for the consumer than the "legitimate" one huh?

    The point is while DMCA really needs to be throw in a fire, with the DRM used today it is costing good hard working folks money right at this very minute. It breaks their machines which are then brought to guys like me which have to be paid to have it repaired. And let us not forget that these DRM "programs" don't support each other, which means I can't count the number of times I have seen machines infected with SecuROM AND Safedisc AND Starforce. Can you say major conflicts boys and girls? I think you can. These programs can cause more damage(especially if you have two or more which seems to be begging for PIO mode) than most of the viruses and trojans out there. There certainly cause more weird and hard to track down errors in this repairman's NSHO. But magically when they are removed the problems just.....go away. Amazing, huh?

    Oh, and in case some are wondering what is so bad about PIO mode, PIO mode is a leftover for seriously old legacy drives, like the old serial CD ROMs we used to have. The modern optical drive simply isn't made to operate at that low of a speed and gets too hot if it is left in PIO mode too long. Picture yourself driving down the freeway at 60MPH with the emergency brakes on. That is pretty much PIO mode to a 16x or above drive.

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  7. Re:DRM is essentially illegal in spirit by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually it's both. The laws were put on the books to allow competition, and to allow those holding the copyrights to get a return investment on their design/art/idea, etc.

    The idea was that the inventer would gain profit for a set period of time, after which the idea could be adopted by others. This had the net affect of reducing the price through competition, increasing quality, and innovating new ideas based off of the original.

    The laws have been twisted so far from their original intent it's just rediculous.

    Disney is a great example of copyright gone wrong.

    Every time their copyrights are about to expire they pump millions into congress to get them extended for another 20 years or so.

  8. Re:RIGHT battle! by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Encryption is unbreakable.

    No, encryption is not unbreakable. It's merely hard enough to break that it's rarely feasible to do so.

  9. Re:What a timely story by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 2, Informative

    Valve isn't exactly sprightly when it comes to their customer support.

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  10. Re:Wrong battle? by Petrushka · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Ex post facto" has a specific legal meaning, which is completely different than whatever you think it means. Copyright extensions do suck, but they don't have anything to do with "ex post facto".

    Ex post facto refers to something that changes the legality of an action retroactively. The DMCA changes the nature of copyright retroactively. It's not that inappropriate. Close enough for government work, at least.

  11. You're quite right, but... by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Informative

    While you're absolutely correct that ex post facto refers to criminalizing something after a person has committed the act, then arresting them, I would like to point out that the copyright extensions should have been unconstitutional for a very different reason.

    I believe it was Eldred v. Ashcroft that pointed out that they were violating the "limited times" clause of the section of the constitution authorizing copyright laws by doing retroactive extensions. The only reason the Supreme Court didn't uphold that argument is because they thought there were enough other advantages to the law that they didn't want to upset the boat, though they indicated that they might not look so favorably upon another retroactive extension if there wasn't a compelling enough reason for it.

    Of course, by the time of the next extension, who knows who the Supremes will be or whether they'll even care about those issues any more...

  12. Re:RIGHT battle! by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Every music CD you buy comes without DRM.

    Not true at all. Ever heard of the Sony rootkit fiasco? (and that is just one example)