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Sea Sponge Extract Conquers Resistant Bacteria

Science News has an article on research into a compound found in a particular kind of sea sponge that seems to have the ability to restore antibiotics' effectiveness against resistant bacteria. The hope is that, since the compound is not itself deadly or even harmful to bacteria, it may skew the antibiotic-bacteria arms race in our favor. "Chemical analyses of the sponge's chemical defense factory pointed to a compound called algeferin. Biofilms, communities of bacteria notoriously resistant to antibiotics, dissolved when treated with fragments of the algeferin molecule. And new biofilms did not form. So far, the algeferin offshoot has, in the lab, successfully treated bacteria that cause whooping cough, ear infections, septicemia and food poisoning. The compound also works on... [MRSA] infections, which wreak havoc in hospitals. 'We have yet to find one that doesn't work,' says [one of the researchers]."

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  1. Flight of the dodo . by Ostracus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Science News has an article on research into a compound found in a particular kind of sea sponge that seems to have the ability to restore antibiotics' effectiveness against resistant bacteria. The hope is that, since the compound is not itself deadly or even harmful to bacteria, it may skew the antibiotic-bacteria arms race in our favor. "

    Good thing we're not destroying our environment so discoveries like this can continue to be made.

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  2. "Yet" by StaticEngine · · Score: 4, Funny

    'We have yet to find one that doesn't work,' says [one of the researchers]."

    Oh, but when they do, then once again the vile bacteria will have the upper... psuedopod.

  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

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  4. Yay! by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny
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  5. Re:Respect by wamerocity · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well I propose that we do with it what we did with penicillin in the 50's, and infuse it into livestock feed, thereby ending the battle against bacteria forever. FOREVER!

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  6. phage medicine. by schwillis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's funny that phage medicine has been demostrated to be very effective to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria, yet it's never been adopted in western medicine. But something comes along that works in conjunction with anti biotics and it's hot stuff. Fucking pharmasutical companys.

    1. Re:phage medicine. by Bertie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A quick scour of the web has thrown up some interesting reading on that topic. I never realised bacteriophages were used in medicine at all. Seems like the West's just forgotten about them. Thanks.

    2. Re:phage medicine. by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yet it's never been adopted in western medicine.

      Easy business model to "monetize" something out of a chemical plant... trademarks, patents, copyrights, trade secrets, all to protect the investment.

      How go you do this with "sponge juice"? I'm guessing they'd have to completely switch business models and try to run it like a fishery or fish canning factory or something?

      I would not expect the pharmaceutical industrial complex to rally around this new idea.

      It would be like if someone proved orange juice cures colds, or HFCS causes obesity, there's no way to make money out of that interesting but unprofitable knowledge.

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    3. Re:phage medicine. by JDevers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, but there is plenty of money. The new chemical does NOT kill bacteria, it allows antibiotics to work better. There are already LOTS of chemicals like this (penicillinase inhibitors etc), just none that are nearly this promising and I assure you that a LOT of pharma dollars are spent trying to find new chemicals that allow antibiotics to work better. They would much rather sell medicine that is already developed than spending tens of millions developing something that will only return a few more tens of millions before being rendered worthless. This allows a lot of that past knowledge to be reused.

    4. Re:phage medicine. by schwillis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They make money because this doesn't kill the bacteria, it disolves their biofilms and lowers their resistance to anti-biotics, so if they invest in harvesting and processing sea sponges for this substance, and trying to figure out how to synthesize it, they are profiting off the selling of the sea sponges, and an increase in sales of anti-biotics to follow up the treatment.

    5. Re:phage medicine. by Guppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's funny that phage medicine has been demostrated to be very effective to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria, yet it's never been adopted in western medicine.

      Well, you have to consider the specific issues surrounding phage therapy as well. Two similar-looking strains of bacteria can have very different phage susceptibility profiles -- an issue similar with antibiotic resistance, but my impression is that a strain match is much more of an issue with phage therapy, as each one is like a extremely "narrow spectrum" antibiotic. This is both good and bad, as it avoids collateral damage to "friendly" bacteria, but requires considerable time and expertise to get the match right -- the expertise needed to effectively implement phage therapy effectively is pretty high.

      In an epidemic, you probably are looking at just one strain of bacteria going around, so is less of a problem (I have heard phage treatment works well versus something like, say, Cholera). However, for general cases, you end up needing to have a large library of phages on-hand (this is probably not an issue for centralized medical systems, but won't work well for an independent family doctor or suburban pharmacy). On the positive side, phages constantly co-evolve with their bacterial hosts, allowing you to overcome resistance by updating your library.

      A "cocktail" would allow you to dispense with needing a large library, or having to get as detailed a susceptibility profile each time. However, there is another problem, that this solution makes worse -- your immune reaction against the phages. Very quickly after your initial encounter with a phage, you will likely develop a response against it (and probably relatives of that phage too). So the long-term practicality of phage treatment is an issue too.

    6. Re:phage medicine. by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's my understanding as well. It's typically necessary to culture the patient's infection and then try dozens of bacteriophages against it to find just the right one.

      Still, the technique does seem to have merit and should probably be in use now except that there's no way to monitize it and so it goes unresearched.

    7. Re:phage medicine. by trenobus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Phage therapy involves a lot of labor in isolating a non-symbiotic phage for a particular bacterial strain, and then growing enough of them to give the patient a dose that will not be negated by their immune system. To really be practical, this process would need to be automated.

      Phages are specific, which is a disadvantage economically, as another poster noted. But specificity is an advantage medically, as it means you don't need to wipe out all of the "good bacteria" along with the bad. This is particularly important when the bad bacteria are antibiotic resistant and are in competition with the good bacteria.

      An enlightened society would be developing both antibiotic and phage therapies. But then, an enlightened society would be different from ours in so many ways.

    8. Re:phage medicine. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One approach is to use multi-phage mixes. Even if every kind of phage only affects a few kinds of bacteria, a broad-spectrum approach covers many. I'm not sure whether bacteria can form a resistance against phages but a phage tratment could be a first step, followed by antibiotics to kill anything the phages don't manage to get.

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  7. Re:Respect by Bertie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, they probably thought the bacteria would never come up with an answer to penicillin either.

    They've been around an awfully long time, and there's a reason for that: nothing's beaten them yet. Our attempt at suppressing them has been thwarted in just a few decades - not even a blink of an eye on a biological timescale.

    I wouldn't be crowing about having the little blighters licked just yet.

  8. Salmonella by vuo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It would be perfect against salmonella. Salmonella is extremely hazardous to public health, because it can reside dormant in the intestinal biofilm for practically indefinite periods (up to 25 years), and the carrier remains infectious all the time. A single bacterium can cause a potentially fatal illness, so in some jurisdictions, anyone who works with food is tested for salmonella. Unfortunately the only way to positively remove salmonella from a carrier is ciprofloxacin, an antibiotic generally considered an antibiotic of last resort. Its serious, potentially disabling side-effects include permanent damage of peripheral nerves, the intestine and spontaneous tendon rupture. A way to dissolve the bacteria from the biofilm would probably make them easier to eradicate with less dangerous antibiotics.

    1. Re:Salmonella by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      A way to dissolve the bacteria from the biofilm would probably make them easier to eradicate with less dangerous antibiotics.

      Except for the very likely problem of when you dissolve biofilms, you create Yet Another Problem. OK, so somebody has found a novel compound that screws up bacterial metabolism. Let me, just of a moment, pop into cynic mode:

      We have lots and lots of chemicals, simple and complex, that trash biofilms. And bacteria. Generic bleach at high concentrations comes to mind. Of course, you don't want to stick that in your veins.

      The hard part is coming up with something you can put inside a human being (or test eukaryote of your choice, be it politician, lawyer or c. eleagans) and have it kill the bacteria and not the host.

      /end cynic mode. Carry on.

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    2. Re:Salmonella by shrimppesto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's probably not quite fair to call ciprofloxacin an antibiotic of last resort, considering how widely it has been used for the past decade or so. Its side effects are indeed serious and debilitating; however, these side effects are also extraordinarily rare, which explains why ciprofloxacin has been prescribed for everything from UTIs to sinusitis without half the population rupturing their tendons.

      This is not to say that such side effects should be ignored, but rather that they should be considered in the analysis of risk vs. benefit. Owing to their rarity, it is quite often the case that the benefits far outweigh the risks.

      Overused? Yes, definitely, no doubt about it. But there are still many scenarios under which ciprofloxacin use can be justified, and many scenarios in which it is still the #1 drug of choice.

  9. Great news by Bertie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now can we be a bit more careful with it this time? No attempts to coat the planet in a thin layer of the stuff, please. The loss of the best weapons against disease we've ever found is not a fair price to pay for cheaper meat. Hopefully we've learned that lesson, although every time I see a doctor prescribe antibiotics just to get someone out of their surgery, I despair a little.

  10. US Hospital procedures are also to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aa few years ago I sat outside the entry doors to an ICU where a relative was lying. I sat there for many days, and many hours.

    I observed every single nurse stop and scrub at the scrub station which was located near the ICU entry doors. I observed maybe
    one doctor out of thirty doctors scrub at the station. Most doctors walked right through the doors and did not scrub.

    You can draw your own conclusions about this, but it seems obvious that things weren't being done in a consistent manner,
    and I've been told by some European doctor buddies that this
    sort of lax behavior in matters of sterile procedures is NOT tolerated in German hospitals.

    So, magic bullets are great, but what we really need, in the US at least, is a change in the way the medical "profession" behaves. After what I saw with my own eyes, I can't say the conduct I observed was what I'd call professional, and it will be a cold day in hell before I allow myself to be admitted as a patient in the hospital at UNC-Chapel Hill.

  11. Wrong name by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The compound is called ageliferin.

  12. Tartar control by hyc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this stuff will dissolve dental biofilms. Would be cool to finally have a simple, 100% effective treatment that totally prevents plaque, gum disease, cavities... Tho I suppose if it's that good, the ADA will bury it.

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    1. Re:Tartar control by RichiH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope you are kidding. If you are not, you are part of the problem. You accept that people will die because there is no treatment for X because you are too lazy to brush for two minutes? Way to go, buddy.

      And yes, _I_ am being serious.

  13. Re:Respect by thermian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, they probably thought the bacteria would never come up with an answer to penicillin either.

    Actually it didn't. Instead what happened was antibiotics were handed out like candy and people weren't made to complete their courses.

    If you stop taking antibiotics before the whole course is complete, any remaining bacteria are those which have some resistance (but in the beginning not enough to survive a completed course). Multiply this by the millions of people who didn't complete their courses over the decades, and you have trouble.

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  14. An abridged history of the future by Repton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    T+10 years: government bodies approve sea-sponge-enhanced antibiotics for use on humans.

    T+12 years: patients start telling their doctor: "My friend told me regular antibiotics don't work. I want sea-sponge antibiotics!

    T+17 years: sea-sponge resistent bacteria start to emerge because of patients not completing their courses.

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    1. Re:An abridged history of the future by retchdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fortunately, patents expire in seventeen years so there's no loss here!

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  15. Re:Respect by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 4, Informative

    All true. However the antibiotic usage in humans is vastly outweighed by the antibiotic usage in livestock. One of my med-school courses cited an instance in...Denmark, I believe it was. The annual human consumption of an antibiotic came to something like 25kg that year. Consumption of an analogous antibiotic in livestock for that same year was something on the order of 25,000kg. Over-prescription of antibiotics for CYA or, more commonly, to patients who aren't satisfied until they've receive an antibiotic for their viral (sigh) infection is certainly a problem. Before we get too worked up over that, however, let's stop feeding the drugs to the damned cows, pigs, and chickens!

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  16. Biofilms by Guppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, besides the mis-spelling of "ageliferin" (for those wondering why Google's not bringing up much)...

    This is pretty big, but it's not coming out of nowhere. I'm not too familiar with this particular compound, but it appears to be a bio-film breaker -- most (but not all) of which work by disrupting quorum sensing. What's exciting about this particular example is both its potency and apparent non-toxicity.

    If suitable for use in humans, you can expect this to dramatically improvement treatment of various types of infections involving biofilm-forming bacteria -- you find these a lot in Cystic Fibrosis patients, immunocompromised patients, and various infections of catheters and implanted items and such.

  17. Re:Respect by Niedi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Both exist. Bacteria can evade antibiotics in many ways, some active, some passive.

    The easiest way to actively evade antibiotics is by developing efflux pumps which will pump out a certain drug or class of drugs (Tetracycline, beta-lactame).

    The easiest way to passively evade antibiotics is through modification of the drug target which is a rare thing but can happen since bacteria are quite prone to mutations and also multiply like mad.

    The thing that completely stupefies me is how that stuff is supposed to do away with resistances... Maybe it makes them barf their plasmids but still, I have no idea how that is supposed to work. Especially since some plasmids come with their own simple but effective measures against it.
    That option would be pretty easy to verify though.

  18. Re:Respect by shrimppesto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many of those anti-bacterial products actually do not contain antibiotics. Instead, they contain compounds that are germicidal and kill everything they touch.

    The difference is critical. Antibiotics are compounds that selectively kill bacteria, causing less harm to human cells. They must therefore target some unique aspect of bacterial biology in their killing action; the specificity to which such targeting must take place is the reason why it's so easy for a bacteria to develop antibiotic resistance. "You want to bind to my protein X? Okay, I'll mutate it!" Done.

    Germicidal compounds, on the other hand, kill everything they touch by mechanisms that are not bacteria-specific. An excellent example is rubbing alcohol, which basically rips the bacteria apart. Unfortunately, it also rips YOUR cells apart, which is why you can't give it to somebody to cure their infection.

    Resistance to this latter category is not as much of a problem. It's exceedingly difficult to evolve, say, Purell resistance (active ingredient ethanol); the rare bugs that are resistant (e.g. spores) have been resistant long before Purell was around.

  19. Re:No Respect for Your Neighbors by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Alright, I'll bite.

    An unstated argument here is that people distributing medicine and those who don't take their full course are somehow at fault.

    Erm, that's because it is their fault. Nothing unstated about it. When getting antibiotics, the vast majority of people get either the full course or nothing at all - there's no in-between. If you choose not to take the full course after receiving it, it's your fault.

    Of course there are plenty of people who can't get the drugs at all - but that's not germane to this conversation as such people are not contributing to drug-resistant bacteria.

    Does it really make moral sense that farm animals are over treated and people end up with half treatments?

    It must be fun building up so many straw men. That's the only reason I can figure that you have for doing it so often.

    Do you think that people really want to have less than proper medicine?

    Yes. As is evidenced by the fact that so many people think that because the "feel fine now" they don't have to finish their course of meds.