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EU Commissioner Wants Standard For Mobile Phone Connectors

Jantastic writes "European Commissioner Günter Verheugen wants manufacturers of mobile phones to come up with a standard connector for chargers and microphones. If companies fail to do so, proposed legislation should speed up this process. In theory, this could improve competition, while enabling longer life cycles for these devices."

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  1. USB? by Toe,+The · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean like USB and, I dunno... maybe mini-USB?

    1. Re:USB? by compro01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like a good idea. You just need to get the manufacturer's to do that.

      Which is never going to happen without regulation, as they make a decent amount of money selling magical cables and power bricks.

      I have only seen one phone with a real standard (not "let's put 2.5V across the data lines for incompatibility purposes" or "requires a special driver on the computer to bestow it's blessing to charge the phone" or other such nonsense) USB connection.

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    2. Re:USB? by Cillian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, if enough manufacturers start doing it, people will get pissed off when their standard charger doesn't work. So you don't need to force all manufacturers to do it, if you can convince a lot to do somehow. The somehow, being the question. Though I can't see it being a major choosing point in me buying a future phone, it'd definitely be a nice thing to have if it becomes common. And I'm all for it being mini-USB, since there are already cables abound for powering it from the wall, computers, batteries, and solar panels. (Not to mention it'd be pretty neat to standardise an accessory port. I'm currently considering paying 30 quid to nokia for a decent headphone adapter thing because I have to use the shitty pop-port on my n73. And that's on top of the 15 quid I'll be spending to actually get a decent set of headhones)

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    3. Re:USB? by argent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's getting that way, but if the legislators get hold of it they'll probably define yet another new and unnecessary standard instead of something sensible like that.

    4. Re:USB? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ones that I'll even consider buying any more do. The same goes for any another gadget with a potential for connection to a PC and a realistic expectation that USB will be capable of providing enough juice to charge it up. Heck, even some of my devices (a desktop fan and a *toothbrush*) that have zero real need for a PC connection use a Mini-USB socket for their power needs. Being able to go away and only pack one wall wart, plus have the confidence that even if you lose it you can get a local replacement without any hassle at all is about as good as it gets for portable devices.

      Also, can anyone *please* explain what possible reasoning might lie behind EICTA's Tony Graziano statement that Verheugen's demand is "legally and technically impossible" due to differences in voltage and battery requirements within the European Union? Seriously. Inquiring minds want to know! I have a USB wall wart with a modular mains connector that you just snap the appropriate plug onto and that handles just about any input voltage you care to chuck at it and it has the EU stamp of approval on it, so I think it's absolutely legally and technically possible.

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    5. Re:USB? by petermgreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The somehow, being the question
      By issuing an ultimatum.

      When you remove the sugarcoating the european commisioners message seems to basically boil down to "we can do this the easy way or the hard way, agree a standard among yourselves or we will come up with one and ram it down your throat"

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    6. Re:USB? by jimicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can get cells with their own special USB connectors (like iPod/iPhones).

      Then it's not a USB connector, is it?

      It's just a random proprietary connector and you just happen to get a USB lead with it.

    7. Re:USB? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But your looking at it from the wrong side. You did not need to purchase two additional cables that cost a few pennies to make, and sell for $10-$25, in addition to car chargers, international chargers, etc. That's why the industry is dragging its feet.

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    8. Re:USB? by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I agree that it would be bad for a government to regulate this as a standard, because most governments have proven to be spectacularly poor with most standards. Strangely enough, this is a place where the United States actually does OK, I think. Rather than try to create industry standards, they will usually pass standards applicable only on federal government purchased products, such as with Defense department contracts or GAO purchases. If any manufacturer wanting to sell 100,000 phones to Uncle Sam is required to use mini-USB for charging and headphones, the chances are good they'll put mini-USB on their consumer models as well, as a part of the economies of scale.

      But I do think this is a case where the free market just isn't working. For example, me. I'm buying Motorola products partly because they follow a useful (to me) standard. That's exactly how the free market is supposed to drive decisions like this.

      The bigger problem is I'm backing a dying horse. Motorola has been struggling as a mobile phone maker ever since the RAZR lost its dominant seat. Mini-USB connectors aren't enough when the rest of the features are blown away by the iPhone, Android, or Symbian offering, or by some other manufacturer's lowball pricing. And quite frankly, the Motorola apps are pretty awful (except for the MOTOMAGX linux system, and even that has bugs.) There's a giant pile of competing features and attributes, and connector standardization just isn't going to be the deal breaker for most people.

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    9. Re:USB? by dov_0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple will always use proprietary connectors etc. They're worse than Microsoft in regards to copyright and patents. If they'd loosened up 15yrs ago they could have beaten the pc as well as trampled whatever other market they chose to step into.

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  2. Restoring the balance by heretic108 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a typical case where pure laissez-faire capitalism can go against the best interests of the consumer. It reminds me of the personal computer industry of the early 1980s, dominated by proprietary, overpriced, non-interoperable components. IBM moved in with its PC and blew the field wide open, paving the way for today's mix-and-match technology.

    Today, we need the same thing for cellphones. Given manufacturers' unwillingness to standardise on a connection interface, and given the lack of a massive IBM-like industry giant willing to push an open standard, there is a case for legislative intervention to come up with a freely published and accessible interface.

    The cellphone industry would soar ahead if there was an ISO standard for connection of peripherals, power sources and accessories.

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    1. Re:Restoring the balance by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quote:
        "This is a typical case where pure laissez-faire capitalism can go against the best interests of the consumer. It reminds me of the personal computer industry of the early 1980s, dominated by proprietary, overpriced, non-interoperable components. IBM moved in with its PC and blew the field wide open, paving the way for today's mix-and-match technology."

      Skuze me?!?!?

      Wasn't that a clear cut case of laissez-faire capitalism to the rescue? Did some government body force IBM to open their platform?

      If you are going to rant against a particular system (what ever it may be) don't use a crowning example of the success of said system in the same paragraph.

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  3. USA Competition! by glassware · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, it's a good thing here in the U.S. we don't have any overzealous regulator deciding what kinds of power adapters we should have on mobile phones. Here in the U.S. every vendor decides to make their own unique adapter, with their own unique configuration, and their own labelling, and their own connector, so that we have to have the latest power adapter for every phone every time we upgrade.

    Looking over the dozens of adapters I've had to buy over the years, it's great that I can have such a variety of choices. Each of these dozen products clearly demonstrates competition at work. In fact, some companies compete so hard they don't even put the name of the phone on the power adapter, so even though the connectors look alike I have to doublecheck all their UL listings to see which one applies to each phone so I don't burn it out every time I plug it in!

    What's great is that, now, some vendors are even creating better lock-in techniques. Some USB adapters I have work on some phones and some devices but not on others. Some old adapters fit perfectly but produce error messages on other devices. As a result I have an awesome drawer filled with tons of high-end technology and I get to sift through it to find the advanced technology I need to run my phone.

    The best part is that, if I forget my adapter, the company makes tons of profits on selling after-market power adapters! They make so much money on those $30 aftermarket adapters that they can afford to drop their prices elsewhere! That's why I pay $150 per month for my cellphone service when most poor Europeans pay a few dozen Euros each month for their highly regulated mobile phones.

    Living without regulation is really the best way to go. I mean, my mobile phone company charges $15 per month for unlimited text messages, and their profits are so good I get all sorts of benefits from working with them! So many benefits that I can't list them all here.

    1. Re:USA Competition! by freedom_india · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your sarcastic comment would be funny, if it weren't sadly true.

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  4. Re:Sad! Another misplaced priority by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey man, I would like to open MS Office 2007 documents with any office suite of my choice with 100% fidelity. Got it?

  5. Apple adapter by chelsel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple will probably require the purchase of an adapter to make their device compatible with the standard.

  6. Too many stupid extra cables by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything that the last 30 years of failed american de-regulation have taught us, is that not all government regulations are bad. The mantra that government regulations are bad because they are from the government is silly. You can have smart government, just like you can have dumb government. You can have a smart company, or a dumb company. Regulations aren't there to promote smart or dumb companies. They are just there to encourage companies to be good, while not allowing evil companies to take advantage of consumers, resources, and labor for gains that hurt the populace as a whole.

    The rights of a company should not outweight the rights of a consumer when it comes to choice. Right now, I have no choice. If I want a new phone, almost invariably I have to pay for new cables. That has never not happened. I had a cheesy crappy nokia back in 1998, then the palmphone and two treos, and finally an iphone. Even when switching between treos I had to get new cables, phones from the same damn company! That's not a choice, that's a lack of a choice.

    Also, considering all those extra cables take up resources to make, and people are probably not properly recycling them, I have an interest in keeping those extras out of landfills. Companies in the US haven't done a good job of telling me where I can recycle them for free.

    Of course, there are counter arguments to this, but there's no reason to be dismissing this as "regulation=bad". That era is dead, let it go. The only reason why we aren't in a full depression now is because of government regulations and programs enacted after the great depression which benefit consumers and US citizens.

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