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Boxee Drops Hulu Support

frdmfghtr writes "According to a boxee blog entry, Hulu will no longer be supported. From the post: 'two weeks ago Hulu called and told us their content partners were asking them to remove Hulu from boxee. we tried (many times) to plead the case for keeping Hulu on boxee, but on Friday of this week, in good faith, we will be removing it. you can see their blog post about the issues they are facing.' Reading the hulu blog post, the only 'issue' I see facing Hulu is that content providers have (once again) shot themselves in the foot, switching off a media conduit they should have been promoting." Update: 02/19 14:31 GMT by T : Jamie points out this interesting (speculative) piece at O'Reilly Radar about the thought process that may have driven the decision.

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  1. No hulu for boxee means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...no viewership from me for hulu. Anywhere. First tv.com now boxee. It's a sign of these illogical times that hulu allow anyone to embed their videos in any web page, but then would force a application that sends hundreds of thousands of streams of traffic to them to drop their service.

    Cable companies' (who are clearly pressuring content providers) subscriptions are already falling. I'm one of those people who have dropped it. Lest that trend continue though, we can't make it TOO easy for people to watch video online now, can we? Continually making it more difficult to get to online video won't save the cable companies' bloated overpriced businesses. It may well sacrifice hulu's, though...

    1. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by Shads · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So everyone goes back to viewing their tv shows with no ads from Pirate Bay. ~shrug~ people used Hulu on Boxee because it was easier even if the ads were a bit annoying, now that they've taken it away it'll just be status quo.

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    2. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Notwithstanding the fact that people outside US can't watch Hulu streams. I would say I only care for Hulu to die faster as far as I'm concerned

      You really think that's Hulu's fault, or something that Hulu has real control over?

      Hulu has a choice: They can provide a good assortment of content playing by the content provider's rules, or they can provide very little content any way they damn well please. So far, evidence shows that Hulu has made the right choices.

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    3. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Fool, conscious of his own ignorance

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    4. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by aztektum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seeing as how Hulu is owned by NBC and Newscorp, yes and yes. They ARE the content owners, and as we've seen time and again, content owners are self righteous idiots.

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    5. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure whether or not you're just trolling, but I'll bite.

      From its very inception, [Hulu] has been little more than Youtube's retarded big-media cousin.

      Youtube has this nasty habit of withdrawing copyrighted content when the content-owner complains. Hulu, on the other hand, has worked with the networks to legally circumvent this little snag. That's a big difference for those of us that like watching some of the stuff that Youtube can't legally host.

      To me, Hulu doesn't "get it". They're like basic cable TV for your web browser, with all the drawbacks of network programming and few of the benefits of internet distribution.

      Basic cable cable doesn't offer on-demand viewing of all of the most popular shows. I'd say it's like basic cable for your web-browser that has DVRed everything with a significant viewer base. That seems like a pretty big "benefit of Internet distribution" and one eliminated "drawback of network programming".

      Mindless celebrities plug it everywhere they go...

      Personally I have never seen that, but I'll assume that it's true. That said, if mindless celebrities are wrong, I don't want to be right. =)

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    6. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back? When did we stop?

      And I think the hypothesis in the summary is correct. They thought people were watching Hulu on computer. Because they're apparently complete and total morons who don't understand the different between computers and TVs is...nothing.

      I'm going to explain this carefully to the TV companies:

      I literally have not watched an ad on TV in three years, cause my 'TV' is hooked to a computer that runs utorrent downloading an rss feed, and a program called gbpvr. This is a 'computer' that serves the purpose of a DVD player. It's not some tiny screen, it's hooked to my actual main TV, and only to that. It has a remote control on it.

      It is a computer by technical definition, but I want you goofs to think of it as a TiVo that illegally downloads TV shows. I went to bed last time, and I woke up with Lost, Lie to Me, Knight Rider, and Life on Mars downloaded. Without ads. For free. With an interface I can operate like a TiVo, with a remote, on a television.

      This system wasn't hard to setup. The hardware requirement was a $40 remote control and an old computer. The two pieces of software were both free. In terms of technical skill required, it wasn't much at all.

      To recap: I can walk into my living room, sit down at my couch and use a remote control to watch the episode of Lost that aired last night, and then delete it to make room for more. Without ads. No hassle whatsoever, it happened entirely automatically. It is there, now. It is easier to watch than using hulu in a web browser.

      Now I want to tell you I'm 30. And I want you TV executives to imagine the 25% of the 18-35 year olds that are moderately technically savvy switching to my setup. Now I want you to imagine them helping their friends set it up. (There are a lot of old computers out there.)

      I will give you a second to change your underwear. Are you people perhaps grasping the fucking seriousness of your situation?

      There is one, and exactly one, way for you to show me an ad: Some sort of automatic downloading application (Not real-time streaming crap. I don't have infinite bandwidth.) that lets me subscribe to TV shows and download and watch them. Like I do now, but legally.

      If you would provide this, I would switch. Even if the shows had ads. Away from the same system without ads. I'm okay with ads, I understand that's how you make your money. Other people might not be so noble, but if your application was easier to use, and came with a remote control, they'd never set anything up...but once they do, they aren't switching.

      However, my choices now are the current system, and fucking stupid hulu in a web browser that I can't operate with a remote control and stutters if I'm downloading something else. I'd never heard of boxee, might have used that too if I knew about it (Although I hate streaming), but congrats on breaking that.

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    7. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by flitty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because 10 minute youtube clips are great for watching full tv episodes. I don't have a DVR or pay for a tv service. The only real shows on cable i give a damn about are BSG and The daily show. Within 24 hours of original air date, they are both on hulu at not the best quality, but definately watchable. I don't have to worry about torrent rss feeds or download times or viruses from torrents to watch these shows. The tradeoff being 4 30 seconds or less commercials. I'll be damned if i pay $.99 or $1.99 for an episode of either of these shows though, they just aren't worth that to me. Also, I don't have to deal with individual corporations websites and horrible streaming options (ABC for instance, is a joke, requiring a separate download to view their shows). If you know of a company out there that provides this content for free (without torrents), please, let me know.

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    8. Re:No hulu for boxee means... by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not rediculous at all.

      Hulu is engaging in pointless restrictions. They're like
      some country club that would never let Tiger Woods play
      unless he was the reigning golf champion (and perhaps
      not even then).

      This is arbitrary. Boxee wasn't even doing anything
      against their terms of service or against their
      interests really.

      The web should not be fragmented by that sort of petty exclusion.

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  2. the correct response by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    would seem be for Hulu to provide a link or three at the bottom of that notice saying "if you disagree with this, we suggest you have your voice heard by .... " with links, phone numbers, email addresses, mailboxes, etc. If the "content providers" aren't listening to Hulu (or boxee) then maybe they'll listen to mobs of their customers?

    I'm very surprised they didn't do this.

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  3. No Ads by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I watch Hulu on XBMC. It just hooks into the video stream directly. The ads on the website are inserted by the flash player. No flash, no ads. This is probably behind this decision.

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  4. Shocking!! by tgatliff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Content providers trying to prevent change from occurring?? That is shocking!! Shocking I tell you...

    With the traditional players now imploding due to reduced of marketing dollar flows, I think it is only a matter of time before these players that the good old days are gone..

  5. It's all about control by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Control=$

    That's why DRM exists.
    That's why "fair use" is "bad".

    and by a stretch, that why we have the war on drugs. You wouldn't want cheap antidepressants or cancer drugs (like Cannabis), now would you ?

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  6. Hulu drops boxee support by wjh31 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if hulu are asking to be removed, then it sounds like hulu have stopped supporting boxee, rather than boxee no longer supporting hulu

  7. Re:Hulu sucks...period by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody wants fragmentation, they all just want their walled garden to be the only game in town.

    Not exactly the world's most brilliant plan.

  8. Re:Lame. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't really want their stuff on Hulu being watched on TV. Hulu is, essentially, the product of a market segmentation/price discrimination move. Better to have the tech-savvy cheapskates watching on Hulu, where we can show them ads and keep an eye on them, rather than on bittorrent or any of the numerous dodgey underground streaming outfits.

    However, they don't want Hulu to replace cable as the medium of choice for nontechy/convenience oriented users. If getting a Hulu set top box is just as easy as getting a cable set top box, and costs a great deal less, then cable loses. The media overlords don't really want that.

  9. It's all about segmentation and more segmentation by meist3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason why we have this rampant piracy is that the studios and content creators and rights holders refuse to adopt models that cater to the consumers. Instead the market is artificially segmented into more and more chunks (which are owned by the same few corporations) to make cash and data flow as complicated as possible to charge more and more for it. I'm really getting sick of all this political bullshit.

    Why isn't Hulu.com available outside the US? Because they need to segment the market to sell country specific ads.

    Why isn't Boxee allowed to stream Hulu content? Because they want to segment the ad market into "Hulu ads" and "Non-Hulu/Other ads"

    Why do DVDs still get released with Region codes? Because they want to segment the market to sell the same stuff at different prices and make ad contracts for different regions so they can earn a manifold of income.

    Why is there still no simultaneous release of movies if many people watch them with subtitles or in English anyway? Because they want to segment the market into the respective "exploitation" zones to draw money out.

    Some of these things are happening because the industry wanted them, some because our stupid societies still believe they need borders and nationalities to function and thus establish different tax systems. It could all be so easy if you would only let it get more complicated ...

    Until this is resolved I'm at the Pirate Bay, watching KingKong, sipping Cider and laughing at all those idiots that still bother to screw around with that antiquated segmentation.

  10. What is boxee? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Can someone tell me what Boxee is? I go to their website, and I can't get anywhere IN without registering first. Geez.....no FAQ to read or anything without registering?

    That kinda blows...

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  11. Content Providers Need To Be In Control by thestudio_bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hulu.com is a joint venture between NBC and Fox. So the "content providers" is code name for "the people who own and pay me". So the hulu guys saying, "we feel real bad about this" is BS.

    If you remember this, ESPN's Play To Make ISPs Pay, you might start to understand what's going on here. The content providers want to get paid to have their content on the internet. They are trying use the same cable/satellite business model with ISP's. How else can the make someone buy unpopular content Y when they want to show their popular content X. It's about greed on the content providers end. They have no control if us people can watch whatever they want, whenever they want to.

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  12. Re:What's Hulu? by Big+Boss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing I find amusing about this, is that they are stopping people now that they have gotten used to it. It will drive the more savvy to look around online for other options. And they will find things like bittorrent.

    So they are driving people to the "illegal" ways of getting the exact same thing. And people are now less likely to see a moral problem with doing so since they were doing it with hulu just till they broke it. So now they get zero revenue from it, and people are still watching the shows from online sources. With the current software out there for automating the downloads, it's even better than Hulu for a lot of things. And you can get the shows in HD! Much of the stuff is easy enough for even my parents to use.