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Staccato Proclaims UWB Technology Isn't Dead

MojoKid writes "Earlier this month, Ultra-Wideband mainstay TZero closed its doors, leaving the once hopeful format in limbo. One of the few UWB supporters still hanging around is Staccato Communications, and not surprisingly, its CEO is stepping up to address the overall situation and assure the general public that the wireless format it supports is far from dead. In a long-winded note from the desk of Marty Colombatto, he frankly states that 'to conclude that "UWB is dead" is a gross misinterpretation of recent events and ignores the lessons of relevant history.' Potentially the most interesting tidbit is that UWB is supposedly getting a 'makeover' this year. Marty even goes so far as to say that new developments in 2009 are sure to breathe new life into the technology.'" Update 2/22 at 17:41 by SS: Reader coldmist pointed out a related Ars Technica piece looking into the state of wireless HD video, which contains some interesting information about UWB.

31 comments

  1. Netcraft by Kagura · · Score: 0

    Netcraft confirms it... Slashdot memes are overused.

  2. It's not dead yet by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    It's going for a walk and it feels happy!

  3. UWB for Video by coldmist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ars Technica recently had a great writeup on the state of wireless video, which included a lot of info on UWB.

    It's worth a read.

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    1. Re:UWB for Video by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Intel wrote a UWB Linux stack that was merged in 2.6.28. And they're producing UWB chips. Which means that long-term Intel is going to put UWB chips in all the mobos that use their integrated stuff.

      UWB doesn't seems "dead" to me, it looks more like an emerging technology.

    2. Re:UWB for Video by coldmist · · Score: 1

      The big question is: Does it have enough legs to get it over the engineering hump and into real life.

      Right now, it's questionable. Chicken and egg problem.

      Even though it's feasible, is there enough money, need, and ambition in it *right now* to still get it to market?

      Not sure.

      And, considering some of the players are exiting, it doesn't bode well.

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    3. Re:UWB for Video by Hoplite3 · · Score: 1

      One of the big applications of UWB is in wireless USB. Intel is a (well, the) big USB developer/backer. It makes sense they'd want this. It could be UWB AV connects take the long route into the market: first they're available as addons, then they're built into Intel's next line of laptop chipsets. Then device makers will release wireless usb widgets, then TV makers will think about UWB interlinks.

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  4. I haven't heard about UWB in a while but..... by ZosX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    UWB seemed to be the promise of a completely wireless future. I remember them saying that it would eliminate interference, be much, much faster, and cover a much larger area. How many of those things are still true? It seems to me that transmission strength is a huge limitation on any wireless device. Since UWB theoretically covers the whole spectrum, I still fail to see how it does not cause at least some level of interference with other devices. Even a strobing effect across the spectrum would cause some level of signal degradation with other radio based devices. I guess I should just read some more about it.

    From the wikipedia article:

    UWB communications transmit in a way that doesn't interfere largely with other more traditional 'narrow band' and continuous carrier wave uses in the same frequency band. However first studies show that the rise of noise level by a number of UWB transmitters puts a burden on existing communications services. This may be hard to bear for traditional systems designs and may affect the stability of such existing systems.

    So interference is such a problem that transmission strengths are vastly reduced to close proximity devices, hence the adoption of UWB for PAN. So the advantage is purely that UWB is really fast? I hate to say it I don't think anything is going to really compete with 802.11x. Unless Intel starts including it in its chipsets or dell starts throwing it on their notebooks, I doubt it will ever leave the niche market. I mean look at 802.11n, very few people are actually using it in their homes yet, and probably won't be for some years. People like to just plug in stuff and have it work. WiFi is so pervasive now that I can't really imagine anything taking over in the short to mid term. When your average fiber connection in the home is running at 200mbps, people might start caring that their network is suddenly "slow."

    1. Re:I haven't heard about UWB in a while but..... by Nursie · · Score: 1

      I've been using N at home for a couple of years now.

      Mostly because B was just always dreadfully slow (nothing like a 10Mbit wired connection), and my G routers got fried when the washing machine decided to die and take as much other equipment as it could with it*. Works very nicely, range is pretty good.

      UWB is an interesting tech, I for one welcome the idea of less wires everywhere.

      *Yes, I now have surge protectors and a small UPS

    2. Re:I haven't heard about UWB in a while but..... by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      UWB is great, but it is just another form of modulation. The same principles apply to the older modulation techniques apply in the same way to UWB (such as a channel's carrying capacity at a certain bandwidth, dynamic range, error rate). It ain't magic, and doesn't have any mysterious abilities (some have been postulated, none have been proved). The only real advantage I see in it is that it can be a form of modulation that is time (rather than frequency) based, so it maps well with our most common computing paradigm (a common clock, IOW synchronous). Because of this, the hardware can be made simpler-- the elimination of downconversion.
      I used to work with UWB and the biggest difficulty I ran across was the regulatory issues, since the entire RF regulatory machine was built around frequency based, as opposed to time based modulations (though there are UWB methods that blur the lines more thoroughly)

  5. Wireless USB by spectrokid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Isn't it supposed to be used in Wireless USB? Or is that dead as well? Wouldn't surprise me. Instead of copying the things people like about USB (plug in and it works), they made it as a competitor for Bluetooth, with all the security and authentication crap that involves. For chrissake! What are the security implications for giving free access to a bubblejet to anybody within a 5 meter radius? And which ones of those couldn't be handled by a button on the printer that says "trust the first unit trying to connect in the next 30 seconds, and remember it for the next month"? Forget about synchronising handhelds, Bluetooth has that market solidly in hand. How about that printer broadcasting the URL where you can get the appropriate (digitally signed) driver? Cut yourself a niche, instead of playing "me too".

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    1. Re:Wireless USB by machine321 · · Score: 1

      What are the security implications for giving free access to a bubblejet to anybody within a 5 meter radius?

      Because then anyone in a 5 mile radius can see your tax returns (or other sensitive documents) when you print them?

    2. Re:Wireless USB by Abreu · · Score: 1

      5 miles -> Security risk
      5 meters -> No risk whatsoever

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    3. Re:Wireless USB by fuliginous · · Score: 1

      UWB is I think now part of the Bluetooth spec and at least one company (CSR) that does BT has done good demo's of it. No idea if it is in any products yet?

  6. For low power & high bandwidth UWB is hard to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have worked on some very interesting applications of UWB for the medical industry where its high bandwidth at low power consumption levels cannot be beaten. The problem with getting these potentially life saving devices to market is that the UWB vendors aren't interested in the low volumes and long support cycles that the medical industry requires. This chicken and egg problem was not expected as that it was assumed that consumer demand for UWB would have been sufficient by now to drive an increase in the number of available chipsets, not the decrease that we see today.

  7. UWB? by TechwoIf · · Score: 1

    What is UWB? Please answer so 1,000 plus /. users slashdot google looking for the answer.

    1. Re:UWB? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What is UWB? Please answer so 1,000 plus /. users slashdot google looking for the answer.

      Google wouldn't even notice when 1,000 people all search on something at the same time if they didn't do heavy statistical analysis.

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    2. Re:UWB? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I was assuming he was George's brother, Ulysses W Bush.

      Turns out it is Ultra-wideband, some kind of radio spectrum. Reading the wikipedia summary didn't help much but I'm no physics/electronics nerd. "UWB has been a proposed technology for use in personal area networks" and "due to the short duration of the UWB pulses, it is easier to engineer extremely high data rates".

    3. Re:UWB? by fuliginous · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth is a channel hopping transport. Where it and the other participants agree where to meet next with for the next portion of their exchange. But they only use one of the many channels at a time.

      UWB I think still hops but hops using 10, 20 or so of the channels in parallel.

      I think. Hence you get a fat pipe instead with some of the robustness benefits of the channel hopping approach.

  8. UWB Was Destined To Die by loose+electron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I designed an UWB receiver for one of the UWB startups 3-4 years back. UWB has a few problems from the start that make it a POS --

    1. The wideband nature of the beast and the fact that it uses a roughly 250MHz wide channel. (Its OFDM modulation on a a multichannel structure with 200+ parallel channels) - When You get to the practical nature of the beast, the receiver structures require huge huge amounts of power. UWB's radiated at the antenna power is low, but the amount of juice sucked in to power the beast is huge.

    2. Due to (1) its never going to be battery powered. Power cord is a must have. So much for "wireless" duh....

    The UWB proponents tried to sell UWB as a way to kill off the interconnect cords for TV-DVR-DVD-BlewRay ;) systems. Well, you still got to power plug them so whats the big deal??? Besides, most of that stuff is a "plug once and forget" thing, so its really not that big a deal.

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    1. Re:UWB Was Destined To Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so wish I had a mod point here. It's awesome there are some clueful people on /.

      In general, the truth is that the more wideband a RF circuit is, the harder its design will be. All impedance matches get really annoying when you design for 250MHz at 2-3GHz.

      Furthermore, lowering your (noise/bandwidth) ratio in general means increasing bias currents ("power supply") everywhere, so if the bandwidth goes up you need to eat more power.

      Coupled with the worse impedance matches (so you need to pump more power in to get the same out), and the distributed amplifiers that perform better for wideband (but often use more bias supplies, and are in general somewhat nontrivial), the power usage is really bad.

    2. Re:UWB Was Destined To Die by loose+electron · · Score: 1

      The Ugly here was a bit more specific than impedance match. The channel BW was 250ish MHz, and modulation was OFDM, with those two things you got to create a 500MHz ADC to convert to get into a DSP system to sort the OFDM signal out. Add a mixer and down converter and the thing sucks so much power its got to have a power cord. Dead in the water, and most RF IC designers predicted that 5 years back.

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    3. Re:UWB Was Destined To Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god. And that was OFDM in 250MHz? Well, that's fucking BRILLIANT. I remember research prototypes for UWB-like systems running at my university with OFDM, I thought they concluded that the digital & mixed-signal complexity was too high to be practical except for point-to-point links between sites.

    4. Re:UWB Was Destined To Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like a lot of these sorts of schemes were designed with the idea that the digital/mixed-signal portion of the system was always going to be a lot smaller/cheaper/less power hungry, so it should be maximized as much as possible when designing the system.
      Unfortunately, the ultra submicron processes that give you that amazing digital performance:
      a) are expensive
      b) require a lot of practice/research/expensive EDA software to take full advantage of, even for pure digital stuff
      c) and are really hard, if not impossible, to do any precision analog/mixed-signal stuff with at all

      So yeah, I feel like these sorts of systems will emerge in a few years, once the process technology has emerged to back them up. They won't be a huge departure from the systems of the day, and they probably won't be as "pure digital" as the digital radio proponents said they would be a few years ago. They'll still be pretty cool though.

  9. It's not dead! by RonGHolmes · · Score: 0

    It's pining for the Fjords!

  10. TZero's UWB technology works very well by adamls · · Score: 1

    Anyone that's worked at a technology startup will know that the technology piece is only one part of the success equation. Management effectiveness, execution, and funding are also significant. In TZero's case, the technology was fine (despite some of the incorrect speculation about UWB in general above). If you're interested in seeing how TZero's UWB product actually performs, you can read a report by the University of Victoria that provides test results for TZero's wireless card and its wireless HDMI video product. http://www.ece.uvic.ca/~xdong/WiMedia_testing_report.pdf Also, CNET reviewed the Gefen Wireless HDMI product which is based on the TZero design.

  11. ATSC? by JeffTL · · Score: 1

    Couldn't wireless HD video theoretically be done with a very small ATSC transmitter with just barely enough range to reach your TV? Obviously the FCC might have some issues, though...

  12. Ironically... by ztcamper · · Score: 1

    ...staccato means disconnected in Italian. Can't remember though if it's in Neapolitan dialect.

  13. I think UWB is not dead, IEEE 802.15.4A sure is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the developer of two generations of IEEE 802.15.4A (which is one of the standards for UWB receivers) receiver processors, I can say that this standard is on life support if not dead. In order to be able to synchronize in all modes, you need the equivalent of more than 7 GOPS (operations on 4 to 7 bit data). I won't go into technical details why I needed all those Giga-OPS, but it is during synchronization that you need them. In other words: You burn power while trying to find out whether there is something in the air. Ouch.

    1. Re:I think UWB is not dead, IEEE 802.15.4A sure is by No2Gates · · Score: 0

      But once the sync is done, it's like CDMA, right? It's just REALLLLLY spread spectrum. It won't suffer the problems of going through walls as much as Bluetooth from what I have read. I have been waiting for this technology since I first read about it about 5 years ago. It's really cool.

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  14. intel's UWB? by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    There was another UWB competing with the intel camp UWB, but intel was/is so bent on owning everybody's pipes that they squashed it even when the other UWB's backing vendor (Motorola/Freescale) essentially offered it royalty-free. My impression was that the other UWB was set up to avoid this kind of issue, although I might be wrong.

    (I personally know a test engineer who worked on it, so it's second person data for me.)