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Music-Swapping Sites To Be Blocked By Irish ISPs

An anonymous reader writes "Irish internet users are to be blocked from accessing music swapping websites, as internet service providers bow to pressure from the music industry. Eircom, the country's biggest internet provider, is to start blocking its internet customers from accessing music swapping."

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  1. Useless by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Totally useless and a mere inconvenience for the die-hard file swappers. New sharing sites will pop up faster than I can say "First Post!" and new protocols to circumvent those blocks will have arrived by the time the mods have moderated "First Post" down to -1.

    1. Re:Useless by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Proxy demand increasing in Ireland in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

      I should start a business selling proxy services to Irish internet users. My connection will never be filtered in Australia.

    2. Re:Useless by eltaco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      apparently, you fail to realise, that eventually they don't care about the hardcore pirates. the "scene", for instance, has been alive for years and subject to many raids. those that know how to protect themselves are essentially untouchable by law. same goes for any criminal smart enough. (same goes for politicians!) enough! listen;

      the MAFIAA's interest is to stop the widespread, common and easily available sharing of media. the "sheeple" ,as people like to call them, who use whatever their popups claim to be the best.

      of-fucking-course the "scene" will still be alive. those people that know enough to evade prosecution, know enough to rip dvds too. but as long as you can discourage the general population (with lawsuits) from file-sharing, they might've made their point - legal and moral ambiguities as they may be.

      as soon as people get pissed off enough, another Bram Cohen will emerge. Either declaring a new method or meeting the MAFIAA eye to eye in the courts - or shaking their hand.

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    3. Re:Useless by oojimaflib · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Totally useless and a mere inconvenience for the die-hard file swappers. New sharing sites will pop up faster than I can say "First Post!" and new protocols to circumvent those blocks will have arrived by the time the mods have moderated "First Post" down to -1.

      True as this undoubtedly is, I think this is the wrong attitude to take. Simply saying, "OK, Mr. Government, if you want to block bits of the internet go ahead, we'll just work round you." gives the impression that they have the right and justification to censor bits of the internet at will and it's up to us to work round that.

      While the sort of people who read slashdot are able to circumvent this kind of thing, does that make it right to censor the internet for the rest of the less technically savvy population?

  2. "Music swapping"? by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fucking article mentions Pirate Bay as one of these "music swapping" sites. So basically, they're after torrent trackers.

    I won't go into explaining the difference between a hypothetical "music swapping" site and a tracker. Insert here gun, car and other analogies.

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  3. Worse than useless. by El+Jynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep. This is only going to stimulate: - a rapid development of secure p2p protocols. - a rapid adoption of encryption. - a lot of annoyance and public backlash. On the side, Ireland has one of the highest budget deficits in the EU. That means they're in a lot of financial trouble already, and lots of people are going to be out of jobs. But they aren't going to let "them" deny them access to their movies, songs and audiobooks; moreover, things like The Teaching Company (TTC) and BBC documentaries provide an extremely rich source of self-enrichment. People are going to be teaching themselves all matter of upgrades in their newfound free time. Anyway, all you Irish people can do now is roll out the Guiness and write your local political factions that this just isn't a good idea.

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    1. Re:Worse than useless. by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

      We could trade files right here on slashdot.

      Bit of steganography and we could hide music in our rambling car analogy loaded posts.

    2. Re:Worse than useless. by digitig · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you have a car analogy for that?

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  4. Rapidshare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Rapidshare is blocked, then? And Megaupload? And Mediafire, Sendspace and Badongo? And the hundreds of other free filesharing services that seem to pop up everywhere?

    This is completely futile.

    1. Re:Rapidshare? by Mozk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My problem with this is that sharing files is not illegal, nor is sharing music. Sharing copyrighted files without rights to do so probably is in Ireland, but forcing ISPs to block legitimate sites in a broad manner like this because they have the potential to "damage" your business is bullshit. And blocking the Pirate Bay is another brand of bullshit since the only file-sharing going on there is with .torrent files.

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    2. Re:Rapidshare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nobody Expects the RIAA!
      Out chief weapons are suprise... Surprise and idiocy...

  5. Meanwhile in financial news... by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All ISPs in the Irish Republic report reduced revenues and profits.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile in financial news... by Nazlfrag · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news, a huge spike in sales of VPN services was reported.

    2. Re:Meanwhile in financial news... by trawg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just scanned the article but this looks like a misleading subject.. basically only one ISP is doing this (although it's the biggest), and the others have been threatened with legal action (just like what is happening here in Australia, with one of our ISPs targeted by the media industry and currently getting sued (disclosure: our site) for not taking action against file sharers).

      So, this is basically ISPs caving to legal threats - which I guess either means they're complete pussies, or they have deals with the ISPs to provide content themselves (ie, sell music to their subscriber base) so its in their financial interests to comply, or they've actually crunched the numbers with their lawyers and Irish law doesn't look so good for ISPs.

      If that latter is true, THEN I would believe reduced revenues might be likely - or if this ISP is just the biggest because it has a monopoly on infrastructure or whatever. If it's not though, users should just vote with their feet and jump ship on this ISP and go to one that is not going to tell them what they can and can't do with their Internet connections.

  6. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  7. Free Music by troll8901 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For a related discussion on free (and non-RIAA) music, see:

    I've just downloaded one artist's Creative Commons songs, and it's not half bad. I'd imagine he might earn cash on freelance composition.

  8. I can haz censorship? by mrraven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Between political correctness on the left, intolerance on the right, and pressure from crony capitalists to wall off their monopoly profits, pretty soon the only thing you'll be able to post on the internet will be cat pictures. :(

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    1. Re:I can haz censorship? by GauteL · · Score: 4, Funny

      "pretty soon the only thing you'll be able to post on the internet will be cat pictures. :("

      How dare you?? Don't you know that underneath all that fur, those cats are completely naked?

  9. Re:Far worse than useless. by ameyer17 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or, if they implement this how I think they will, a quick DNS server switch should do the trick.

  10. Why do the music cartels have so much influence? by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simply in terms of gross earnings, the music companies make peanuts compared to some other very big industries being negatively impacted by all this anti-piracy hullabaloo (sure, corporations probably don't pirate music, but this DRM and filtering and other BS all carry a cost for anyone working online). Are they just that much better at lobbying? Have they somehow nobbled all the right people? What gives?

    Confused,

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  11. Unexpected Win by Bob+A+Trollmuncher · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in NZ we have been about to suffer one of the most draconian media industry walkovers that made the DMCA look like a wet bus ticket ... But then something entirely unexpected happened - the government actually after some shiny grassroot protests like the blackout thing that shut down many public sites here in NZ for the day. I might actually have some hope for democracy after all. http://creativefreedom.org.nz/

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  12. Re:Podsafe Music by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that will prove how incompetent and underhanded the music industry [is]

    Incompetent? No. just that they see no need to actually verify that the content actually violates their copyrights. Besides, according to TFA, the agreement is that IRMA will supply lists of site they deem harmful to their business. Clearly, in their view, indy artists giving away music is harmful to the businesses of IRMA.

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  13. Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It goes something like this:

    Music industry lobby
    Lobbyist: Hi Mr MP, how would you like to meet Bono?
    MP: OMG HE WAS MY IDOL AS A CHILD I'D LOVE TO
    Lobbyist: Okay, just implement these laws otherwise Bono will be a very very sad person and might not want to come out and see you
    MP: Sure!

    IT industry lobby
    Lobbyist: Hi Mr MP, how would you like to meet Richard Stallman?
    MP: Who?

    More seriously though, I think the issue does seem to be at least from my experience of reading into comments from various British MPs that the music industry is much better connected and MPs are much more likely to bow down at their feet simply because although some people of their generation are the founding fathers of IT as we know it, many more simply missed the boat with the IT thing and MPs nearly always fall into the latter- they just don't get IT, but they ALL know who Bono and so on is and they all worship these types of people. We don't have any IT literate MPs here and I'm not sure it's much different abroad, Obama is one of the first politicians I've seen that actually seems to have a decent grasp of technology.

    I think the crux of it is that people in the music industry and politicians seem to get on well, they just seem to have the same mindset whilst IT and Science simply don't seem to get on with politicians as well. In that scenario it doesn't really matter what an industry is worth, most politicians don't seem to take a logical approach to decision making like that. They're more fallable to arguments such as "Piracy is wrong, it's illegal, it always has been, it must be stopped" than they were to reasoned arguments producing statistics showing piracy is only bad for the major labels but probably good overall for the population as a whole. If politicians did follow a logical, reasoned way of thinking then in the UK at least we wouldn't be seeing this consistent push for ID cards despite the population, the opposition parties, ex-security service leaders, employers/businesses being against it and costs for the scheme ballooning into many many billions of pounds- no logical or reasoned thought would lead to the conclusion that continuing such a scheme is a good idea.

    One final note is that a few weeks back David Cameron mentioned that if the Conservative party made it into power next that he would appoint someone from the creative industry to be in charge of deciding the UK's broadband future. One has to wonder what on earth the logic behind that is when he could choose someone from the technology industry. That coupled with his speech to the BPI a couple of years ago that was full of ignorance and many other comments and events through the past few years along similar lines are a pretty good demonstration that David Cameron and the Conservatives are strongly tied to big media. I do not think Labour is any different judging by their actions. So one thing is for sure, their actions and comments in favour of big media over technology certainly add weight to the idea that yes, they have a much stronger lobby at very least or simply offer more "incentives" to MPs than technology does.

  14. Are you from Ireland? by PinkyDead · · Score: 4, Informative

    You must be to describe IRMA so prefectly.

    It must be noted, however, that IRMA is fighting to protect the meagre incomes of people like U2 and Enya - who are all just managing to survive with one castle each.

    Sarcasm aside, due to the fact that musicians have a tax exemption (cos lord knows U2 need it) - there are unfortunately a lot of them here, and they also have great wadges of cash. This in turn makes IRMA far more powerful than it should be.

    I still don't think the other ISPs are just going to rollover - Eircom is a joke. They are largest because they were originally a monopoly - and there is a large number of users that are slow to change.

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  15. Re:Why do the music cartels have so much influence by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in .com.fr,
    we shall fight on the web and on usenet,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Internet, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the servers,
    we shall fight on port 443,
    we shall fight in the VPNs and on P2P,
    we shall fight in the darknets;
    we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Internet or a large part of it were subjugated and censored, then our digital Anarchy beyond the web, armed and guarded by thepiratebay fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in good time, the New Internet, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

  16. How about some counter-threats? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Find some reasonably popular band who is sharing, or is willing to promote their music on torrent sites.
    2. Throw out a little press, get a reasonably large number of people outside Ireland to download/seed.
    3. Sue the IRMA for tortious interference with contract, anti-trust, whatever shit you can make stick.
    4. Profit?

    Since it's not the government you can't really demand your rights from a private ISP but it seems to me that they're then also opening themselves up for lawsuits based on interference with business, something you couldn't do against a law.

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