Slashdot Mirror


Steps Toward a Universal Flu Vaccine

Plasmoid writes "The NYTimes is reporting that scientists have starting developing what could turn out to be a 'universal' flu vaccine. They created antibody proteins that can neutralize different strains of the influenza virus, including the deadly H5N1 bird flu, the virus behind the 1918 epidemic, and common seasonal strains. These new antibodies target part of the virus that is shared between different strains and thus appear to be broadly effective. However, some experts question whether a universal vaccine of this kind is even possible, since the human body has been unable to come up with an antibody solution. An article on nature.com describes the work further."

6 of 177 comments (clear)

  1. Just incase anyone needs an update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Influenza

    In humans, common symptoms of the disease are chills, fever, pharyngitis, muscle pains, severe headache, coughing, weakness, and general discomfort.[1] In more serious cases, influenza causes pneumonia, which can be fatal, particularly in young children and the elderly. Although it is often confused with the common cold, influenza is a much more severe disease and is caused by a different type of virus.[2] Influenza can produce nausea and vomiting, especially in children,[1] but these symptoms are more characteristic of the unrelated gastroenteritis, which is sometimes called "stomach flu" or "24-hour flu".[3]

    We geeks often neglect our health, especially during the cold and flu season (Which is a prime time to stay inside, Frag noobs, write badass scripts, Watch Babylon 5, etc). Make sure you take all the necessary precautions to keep your wetware virus-free!

  2. the human body has been unable to come up with.... by wild_quinine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    However, some experts question whether a universal vaccine of this kind is even possible, since the human body has been unable to come up with an antibody solution.

    No offence, I love the human body and all, but there are LOTS of things it has 'been unable to come up with', including the much needed ability to render stupid people unconscious by concentrating hard.

    Being part of a system of evolution is not a panacea for disease; quite the opposite. Almost every positive thing you can say about our resistance to disease comes directly or indirectly off the back of people who didn't have a particular type of resistance 'taking one for the team', so to speak. There's nothing wrong with hunting for cures that DON'T involve the mass extinctions of the genetically unfortunate. There'll be plenty of time for it to all work itself out.

  3. Some Experts Question... by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > some experts question whether a universal
    > vaccine of this kind is even possible, since
    > the human body has been unable to come up with
    > an antibody solution

    First, the researchers don't claim a universal anti-virus, simply a broad spectrum one.

    Those nay-saying, have no lab data, those doing the research do. Its effective in animal studies and human studies will soon begin.

    The human body does not search for the best antibody, or the most universal one. It simply throws stuff out there and sees what sticks (figuratively and literally).

    This approach goes after an area on the virus that is hard to reach because of its structure.

    Quoting TFA:

    " The flu virus uses the lollipop-shaped hemagglutinin spike to invade nose and lung cells. There are 16 known types of spikes, H1 through H16.

    The spikeâ(TM)s tip mutates constantly, which is why flu shots have to be reformulated each year. But the team found a way to expose the spikeâ(TM)s neck, which apparently does not mutate, and picked antibodies that clamped onto it. "

    --
    Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
  4. From an evolutinary standpoint... by CaptainPatent · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Agreed, this is a horrible summary:

    However, some experts question whether a universal vaccine of this kind is even possible, since the human body has been unable to come up with an antibody solution.

    Firstly adding to your point (and according to the theory,) evolution is only "perfect" over an infinite time frame. The fact that there is no universal antibody could mean one of two things: the time frame was too short or there's a reason why the human body doesn't want a universal solution, and I can think of at least one big one.

    The human body has thousands of known symbiotic relationships and potentially thousands or millions of unknown ones. Most of these are bacterium (or more rarely viruses) that do something to help the human body. The digestive tract has literally trillions of non-human cells within it. There is even an organ who's use (which was previously unknown) is to store 'good' bacteria when the body is fighting other harmful invaders. I'm speaking of course of the appendix - the one organ which literally oozes symbiosis. The human body might not 'want' a universal solution as those which are adapted to allow the potential for additional symbiotic relationships before ejecting them have a better chance at thriving as every tiny advantage helps.

    I'm not saying this is a step in the wrong direction and I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing because the vast majority if not all viruses of this strain are harmful to humans at this point, but to say that evolution couldn't come up with a solution therefore there isn't one makes a ton of huge assumptions which probably aren't all valid.

    --
    Well, back to rejecting software patent applications.
  5. Re:vaccine even possible? by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Informative

    So either evolution is perfect and has already done it or it can't be done?

    Keep in mind that every single vaccine out there merely uses your natural immune system. All vaccines do is present the immune system with a target, then the immune system does it's work. That's it. Vaccines absolutely rely on the immune system. So yes, if the immune system absolutely can't make you immune to every flu virus, then we can't make a vaccine that could.

    A non-vaccine based approach might work, like the antiviral cocktails used to treat AIDS, but that's horribly inefficient, would require constant medication, and could end up making superflu. Really the best solutions all end with priming the immune system to do the dirty work.

  6. Re:innoculation or vaccine? by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only reason her kids are healthy an unvaccinated are because everyone else IS vaccinated. She is an idiot, as is everyone working with her. Especially since she claims vaccines are "toxic". They haven't been since 2001 or so when they phased out mercury in all vaccines. Evolution and nature are not magic. They don't make "perfect" things. They make "good enough" things. If evolution were perfect, we would be able to see in the dark as well as cats, and wouldn't get sunburned or cancer.