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1 of 3 Dell Inspiron Mini Netbooks Sold With Linux

christian.einfeldt writes "According to an article in Laptop Magazine on-line, one-third of Dell Inspiron Mini 9s netbooks are sold with the Ubuntu Linux operating system. Dell senior product manager John New attributed the sales volume to the lower price point of the Ubuntu Linux machines. And the return rate of the Ubuntu Linux machines is approximately equal to that of comparable netbooks sold with Microsoft Windows XP. Dell spokesperson Jay Pinkert attriutes the low return rate to Dell's good communications with its customers, saying 'We have done a very good job explaining to folks what Linux is.'"

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  1. Netbooks and Linux by Paranatural · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Netbooks are the prefect place to introduce people to Linux. Because they generally don't expect to play games (Other than flash games and the like) or use them for a lot of officework, Linuxes major flaws are not apparent, while its advantages (Free, faster) are.

    If I were involved in the Linux community I'd be pushing hard for a lot of development of drivers and the like for Unbutu (Linux needs some name recognition somewhere)

    That's why the previous story about difficulty with the EEE and Linux was disturbing to me.

    1. Re:Netbooks and Linux by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Drivers are for the kernel, not for a distribution.

    2. Re:Netbooks and Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's disturbing is that Asus chooses hardware that has bad drivers and a manufacturer that just does not want to co-operate... Some Eees have a pretty good wireless chip but for some reason they are now using the awful Ralink hardware that A) sucks on every platform and B) has linux drivers so bad that they're not even enabled on the default kernel build.

    3. Re:Netbooks and Linux by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem with the GP's comments is that he fails to take into consideration that XP (and other versions of Windows) REQUIRE the use of:

      a) Antivirus software. Yes, you CAN do without it, and many technically minded people do. But you HAVE to know how to properly secure your machine and you will still need to use a one-shot scanner like Trend Micro's on occasion. For the AVERAGE (IE: most of the population) user, they will want AV software. Once that's installed you can kiss your speed goodbye. Especially if you load up what MOST users load up, either Symantec or Macaffee.

      b) Anti-Spyware software. See Antivirus software.

      Those two items, particularly the first one, completely KILL any speed advantage Windows has, handing the speed mantle to any of a dozen linux distros quite easily. Again, to keep it honest, we MUST compare standard setups to standard setups. Linux does not require AV software, Windows does. Simple fact of life in the modern computing world.

      So, rather then your strawman argument of stupid people starting the "Linux is faster" meme, it was actually experienced users used to dealing with (and setting up) multiple platforms that have seen the difference and let others know.

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    4. Re:Netbooks and Linux by ld+a,b · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am very happy with my Dell Linux laptop. True, it included an Intel Wireless for which there is no freely distributable firmware, but that is a minor nuisance.
      Most of the hardware is common and well documented. This allows me to use OpenBSD as my main desktop with everything perfectly supported.

      The included Ubuntu is not perfect but it is good enough and with wine and proprietary addons can be run as a drop-in Windows replacement if one so wishes. I replaced it with Xubuntu which looks a lot better, and the wife loves it.

      Here's to Dell. Keep the good work.

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    5. Re:Netbooks and Linux by Greyor · · Score: 3, Informative

      The rt2x00 project has to a certain degree solved Ralink chipset problems. I access the internet with a Linksys WUSB54GC USB adaptor which runs the RT73 chipset, and I use rt2x00's legacy rt73 driver since rt73usb in the mainline kernel is 1) lacking in features and 2) not as stable IMHO.

      That said, I don't know how Ralink's chipsets work on netbooks. I have a Dell Inspiron 1525n with that Intel wireless chipset mentioned above (no problems there, either). If you're having problems with the Ralink drivers on a netbook such as the Eee PC, though, I'd look into the rt2x00 project for some possible answers.

  2. Re:The problem are the other two thirds by jonlandrum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't that what stops people from switching to Linux in the first place? On the other hand, if Linux is supplied by the OEM, they're just as likely to keep Linux versus switching to Windows, "just in case."

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  3. Re:"HP's Linux" by ericrost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its a crippled kernel that only recognizes 1 GB of RAM. They also rebranded Firefox 3 as "Web Browser" and installed a Yahoo! toolbar by default, and had Yahoo! as the default search engine by default. The crapped up Firefox some other way so that the trackpad scrolling worked HORRIBLY. If you have one of these machines, spend $20 on a 2 GB stick of RAM and install the vanilla version of Ubuntu Netbook Remix from:

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR

    You'll have a MUCH better experience. I have one and now love it, I hate what Dell did to "their" ubuntu though. They added no value and imposed artificial limitations to the hardware. Its really slick on that lowend hardware without Dell's cruft.

  4. So.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    What proportion of Dell Inspirons are running pirated XP? My guess - around 32%.

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  5. Re:"HP's Linux" by ericrost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe the stock kernel always has, since the hardware always has. IIRC Dell's modified kernel only supports 1 GB of RAM (and they provide NO updates in their repos) so that their marketing agreement with Microsoft that they not sell an item that can support more than 1 GB of RAM on it is abided by.

  6. What, 33% market share and we're complaining? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem are the other two thirds.

    What? I'm sorry, What???

    We're seeing Linux have 33% market share on a general-purpose computer. Yes, I know, it's a certain class of computer but what I driving at is that it's a machine that is suited for a wide variety of tasks (as opposed to only being a router, phone, DVR, text reader, etc.).

    I'd love to live in a world where Linux had 33% market share on general-purpose computers. I think that trading one monopoly (MS) for another (Linux) is not a good thing, even if I like Linux.

    What I'd much rather see is a wider variety of OSes and no one kind having a dominant position. That way, we can have more competition, more attention paid to being cross-platform and (hopefully) more interoperability.

    I don't much care what everyone else uses as long as I have a good experience with Linux. As long as I can't make people stop hosting their videos in stupid flash wrappers (and gnash doesn't work very well) I'm dependent on flash working well enough on Linux. As long as there are no fast graphics cards with open-source drivers, I'm dependent on the proprietary ones.

    So, I want the people in control of the software I have to run to be happy to treat the platform I run with some kind of respect.

    But I don't want my choices imposed on anyone else. To healthy competition!

    1. Re:What, 33% market share and we're complaining? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're seeing Linux have 33% market share on a general-purpose computer.

      A general-purpose consumer model, Tier 1 OEM computer, no less. FFS, what does it take to make someone happy these days? If you could have sent word of this back in time to me in 2000, I would have shit a joyous brick just to know such a future was possible.

      I'd love to live in a world where Linux had 33% market share on general-purpose computers. I think that trading one monopoly (MS) for another (Linux) is not a good thing, even if I like Linux.

      A Linux "monopoly" really wouldn't be the same thing as the Windows monopoly -- aside from being mostly POSIX, it's also open source, so interoperability isn't a big issue, and there can be competition just amongst linux distros. But yeah, I tend to agree. I'm not that worried, since I don't see a situation where Linux eats all of Window's marketshare, but MacOS doesn't take any for itself.

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    2. Re:What, 33% market share and we're complaining? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I don't want my choices imposed on anyone else. To healthy competition!

      I agree with this. I may be in the minority here, but I don't want Windows to die. I just want Microsoft to be in a position where they have to fight fair because they don't have the influence to rig the entire market.

      Global software monoculture wouldn't be such a good thing. It's always good to have valid competitors, so long as there's actually a level playing field.

    3. Re:What, 33% market share and we're complaining? by impaledsunset · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that trading one monopoly (MS) for another (Linux) is not a good thing, even if I like Linux.

      Just to remind you that there is a difference between a free system and a proprietary one when we are talking about monopoly.

      First, the word monopoly is connected to the market, and is tied to the vendor, not the program in question -- claiming that GNU/Linux has a monopoly would be like claiming that electricity has monopoly in the power market. It simply doesn't lead to any of the problems usually associated with monopoly in economics that I've studied or read about. It's about the _vendors_, not about the products, goods or programs.

      However, if there was a monopoly of a single vendor of services for GNU/Linux (for example, Canonical), which is, given the nature of free software, impossible, it would still cause a lot less trouble than what you get from monopoly with abusive anti-competitive practices and vendor lock-in. In your hypothetical situation, you aren't replacing your broken leg with a broken arm, you are replacing it with a painful bruise.

    4. Re:What, 33% market share and we're complaining? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't want Windows to die. I just want Microsoft to be in a position where they have to fight fair because they don't have the influence to rig the entire market.

      They don't seem very capable of adapting, and adapting is the only way for them to not die without being able to rig the market.

  7. Optimistic at Best by leeosenton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some points to note as a Mini owner and occasional contributor at www.mydellmini.com: 1)Minis are capped with a 16gb solid-state drive if you choose WindowsXP; you can get up to a 64gb drive if you choose Linux 2)Many geeks are buying bare naked Minis with 512mb memory and 4gb drives for $250, and then equipping them with aftermarket runcore 64gb drives and 2gb of memory (another $200 for upgrades). To get the price low, they buy the Linux system and then load Windows or OSX (I know, kinda sick but they are talking about it on mydellmini.com) Bottom line: I think these numbers are skewed by geeks and bargain hunters.

  8. Re:"HP's Linux" by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because of a deal they made with MS.

    Call your dell rep and ask they will tell you all about it.

  9. Re:It's a favorite for Hackintoshers by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh no, maybe .001% of people are doing that.
    The number of hackintoshes on planet earth is probably in the hundreds total.

  10. Re:"HP's Linux" by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't really blame them for altering their version of Linux, at least not as an abstract rule. At the very least, they're going to want to re-theme it for branding purposes, to give it a distinctive look, or at least to get rid of the Ubuntu brown. The probably should make sure that it has any fixes relevant to their hardware, assuming the distro doesn't accept their patches or just hasn't accepted the patches into the "stable" version yet. On top of that, of course they're going to want to add value if they can think of a way to do that.

    Of course, that assumes that they have people at their company who are qualified to do this. The theme has to be good. The value-adds have to actually add value. That's not as easy as it seems. And then, these companies will unfortunately also try to protect their additions by trying to make it so their competitors can't use them. That's going to run afoul of the open source community even if not violating the GPL.

    Here's something I'd love for Dell to do: create their own apt repositories (and repositories for any other package managers are used by distros they support) that provides drivers and any other software (e.g. openmanage) for all of their hardware. Servers, desktops, netbooks, everything.

  11. Re:The problem are the other two thirds by bconway · · Score: 4, Informative

    A not-insignificant chunk is running OS X, as well.

    How To: Hackintosh a Dell Mini 9 Into the Ultimate OS X Netbook

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  12. Re:"HP's Linux" by 0prime · · Score: 4, Informative

    I meant that the Dell Ubuntu lpia kernel was initially limited to 1GB, but has since been updated to allow 2GB. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6435627

    So after the beginning of January, Dell Ubuntu no longer has the "crippled kernel that only recognizes 1GB of RAM", it supports the full 2GB.

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  13. a Linux sale is a Linux sale by christian.einfeldt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Assuming that it is true that loads of people are installing Microsoft Windows XP on their Linux-powered Dell Inspiron netbooks (which I'm not sure is true, since the original article didn't mention that), it doesn't really matter. A Linux sale is a Linux sale. When the Dell managers evaluate their future strategies, how much will they consider whether XP was installed post-sale? Very little.

    And the same is true for Dell's competitors. If Dell's competitors see that they can move product in a down market by installing Linux on the machines, will they spend much time contemplating whether XP is installed on the machines? Probably not.

    Most OEMs have small margins on their sales of all but the upper-end machines. Volume is what matters. Hence the power of Microsoft Windows. At least until today. For OEMs and pretty much everyone in the channel, volume is what matters. As of today, they will know that Linux distros have proven that they can drive one-third of that volume. That is what really matters.

    And it gets better. As Linux-related desktop sales increase, you will see more and more third party vendors, such as 2dBoy, port their products to Linux, as maker of the popular indy game World of Goo has recently done.

    Volume is king. And now Linux is seeing some significant volume sales.

  14. Not so impressive. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Funny

    "1 of 3 Dell Inspiron Mini Notebooks sold with Linux"

    "1 of 3" and not "1 in 3"? Big deal. So Dell sold 1 notebook with Linux. How is that going to put a dent in Microsoft's market share?

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  15. Microsoft cares (ironic, right?) by Immerial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why else would they have a deals in place with Dell to nerf the netbooks, spend the energy to bring down the Windows 7 requirements, and keep Windows XP around just for netbooks?! If you aren't in the Microsoft OS you lose all the lock-ins they worked so hard for- Office formats, multimedia DRM, workflow ecosystem.

    Microsoft Office sales start to go away when people realize that Open Office works for most folks and more files that aren't using proprietary formats means they need to start working with them better... which means other formats become viable... you no longer need MS Office and the cycle is broken.

    They need people to stay in their ecosystem!

  16. Re:"HP's Linux" by ericrost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the package was called firefox3 in apt-get/aptitude/dpkg/synaptic/Add/Remove Programs, but the icon was changed as was all branding inside the browser. Might even be in hot water for distributing a changed binary called firefox.

  17. Re:Alternative: Liberated (or "pirated") XP by Erikderzweite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that most users don't have USB CD-ROM drive to install pirated XP on such netbook in the first place. And installing XP from USB stick or via network... I better stick with Linux instead for it is much easier.
    In case of netbooks the argument "they just buy it cheaper to install pirated Windows" doesn't hald.

  18. Re:And yet... by mallie_mcg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Same for Australia - nothing but Microsoft Windows from Dell for any consumer grade machine, which is frustrating as a customer, there is no way I'm going to be paying for something I don't want.

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  19. So why aren't they selling it with Linux here? by shermozle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No Linux version here in Australia. If it's accounting for 1/3 of sales, why the hell isn't it available?

    I certainly won't buy the Windows version, but I'd definitely consider the Linux version.