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Nintendo Asks For Government Help To Fight Piracy

Nintendo, in its annual report to the USPTO, has requested help in dealing with piracy overseas, both from the US government and from several other countries in particular. China, Korea, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, and Paraguay are listed as the greatest contributing nations to piracy of the company's products. Nintendo suggests, for example, that "Chinese customs officials must stop shipments of game copiers and other infringing products out of China, and China should work in the coming year to eliminate barriers to its enforcement laws," and that "the Spanish government implement laws protecting the creative copyright industry and enact laws against Internet piracy."

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  1. Whine whine whine by aliquis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the people who copy games for their consoles get the console and the necessary devices for copying games just because they know they can copy the games if they get it all.

    There is no guarantee those people would get the console and any games if they couldn't copy them.

    I've got a chipped gamecube and a DS with flashcart and could kinda get all of the games for both systems but then all I do is play WC3 on my computer anyway ...

    I'm just not that into console gaming, I don't even play the games when they are free ffs, why would I play them if I had to pay for them?

    Atleast Nintendo makes money on the consoles to so they have got my support anyway.

    Parents getting said devices for their kids which would indeed get a couple of probably crappy games may be another story though.

    1. Re:Whine whine whine by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know, but my actions don't result in lost sales since I don't even play the games when they are free, I would definitely not buy and play any games costing the amount of money they cost now.

    2. Re:Whine whine whine by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep, I know people who bought DS' only because they could buy a cart with a micro SD card in and copy games to it.

      These are people who I know definitely wouldn't have got one if they had to pay an additional £20 for each game on top of £100 for the device itself. Piracy has been one of the reasons the DS has been so succesful.

      As you say providing Nintendo makes money on the device itself then they've really got nothing to complain about and aren't really acting any better than the RIAA/MPAA trying to force their ideal laws on foreign nations. Even if they didn't make money on the device I'm inclined to say more fool them for pursuing such a silly business model.

      The other point is it's not like they even seemed to try hard to prevent piracy. Their systems are some of the most easily hackable out there so if they don't even invest in anti-piracy measures like Sony and Microsoft do then why should they expect anyone to help them if they wont help themselves? At least pirating XBox 360 games means goodbye to your warranty, can't be done on live arcade games means saying goodbye to XBox live with your system forever too so Microsoft at least tried to solve the problem through technology than just whining to foreign governments to enforce stricter laws on their citizens.

    3. Re:Whine whine whine by aliquis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same for Xbox, it was a total failure until people could chip it and use the HDD for games vs the un-cracked Gamecube for instance.

      Piracy is the reason Microsoft got into the console business at all.

      And yes, guess it helped DS vs PSP somewhat to since PSP games could be up to 1.8 GB in size and 2 GB memory cards cost a lot of money back then.

      And I also agree that if you don't make money from all the products you're doing something wrong. Somewhat unrelated I can get a new Xerox 6110 N printer for less money than the amount of toner it ships with ... So when you have run out of toner it makes just as much economical (and/or service) sense to trash the whole printer and buy a new one ..

      It took a long time to crack the Gamecube, the DS uses some RSA signature or something such, and the DSi got an updated copyright protection, so I don't agree that they don't try to protect the content. And even if they didn't they shouldn't have to, people should respect their rights. But to claim losses because people violate their rights?

    4. Re:Whine whine whine by omeomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is, pretty succinctly, the problem with calculating lost revenue by adding up all of the pirated copies...

  2. Poor Nintendo by lbft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My heart goes out to Nintendo in these difficult times of record profits.

    1. Re:Poor Nintendo by bentcd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My heart goes out to Nintendo in these difficult times of record profits.

      We probably need to institute a rule along the lines of "if you can effectively lobby the govt to help you out then they won't because if you can afford to pull /that/ off effectively you must be doing quite well already".

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  3. Uhuh... by FinchWorld · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I bet China will get right on it!

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  4. But..... by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

    .....if we piss off the Chinese by demanding they stop copying games or exporting copying hardware, they won't loan us 2000 billion in dollars. And then what will this poor, debtor nation do? No, no, we can't afford to make demands of the people giving us money to survive.

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  5. Required Background Reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I suspect most people would be surprised by the sheer amount of piracy there is for games on Nintendo's platforms. So here's some background reading on the issue:

    "In South Korea, many video game consumers exploit illegal copies of video games, including for the Nintendo DS. In 2007, 500,000 copies of DS games were sold, while the sales of the DS hardware units was 800,000." Yes, you're reading that right; the attach rate for DS software in Korea was at one point less than 1.0, fewer pieces of software were sold than hardware devices, which is a tell-tale sign of use of piracy devices.

    As for why that is, Gamesutra has a short but insightful article on the matter. DS flash carts (what Nintendo is calling "game copiers") are cheap, and the South Korean people are turning to them in part as a solution to not being able to afford every game they want.

    Nintendo's biggest fear here is that other countries end up like Korea, with rampant piracy and few legit customers. Nintendo does make a profit on hardware, but much of their profit is still on software. Furthermore their 3rd party game developers who don't make a profit on hardware would love to make a profit at all, and bad/no 3rd party support just makes Nintendo's hardware and software sales that much worse. I can't see why Korean piracy levels world-wide wouldn't kill the DS, or any other console for that matter. I understand Wii piracy through mod-chips is also pretty rampant in South Korea, although I do not know to what degree.

    With that said I don't know why Nintendo is going to the US government about this. Certainly it's reasonable to ask the government to clamp down on this in the United States, and perhaps even apply some pressure on China where flash carts are made with relative impunity, but I don't see the point in listing the other countries. I don't see what stake the US government has on piracy in Spain, for example.

    And I'll close this out by admitting I'm a pirate. I have an R4 flash cart with many games and exactly 2 legit games (1 of which came with the DS) when I could easily afford to be completely legit. I'm exactly the kind of person Nintendo is worried about. There are many more like me, I'm afraid.

  6. While I can see Nintendo's point, I wish they'd... by andi75 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ....see mine. I have two kids (2 & 4), sometimes I play Wii Music / Wii Fit / Wii Play (Fishing!) with the older. It's too troublesome to lock all stuff away all the time (and sometimes I just forget to remove the disk from the console), so I've already thought a few times about modding the console to be able to backup the games before the kids manage to destroy the disks accidently.

    As it is, they won't replace my scratched disks, so I don't have so much simpathy for them.

  7. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt Wii games are what the O.P. was talking about. I think he/she/it was talking about older systems.

    For instance, how many people signed the online petition to have Nintendo translate Mother 3 and release it in the US? I believe well over 100,000 people signed it. Yet Nintendo refused to translate and release the game over here. So, fans of the series took matters into their own hands and translated the game themselves. If Nintendo would have released the game, they could have made a ton of money off of it, but instead, it is now being "pirated," instead.

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  8. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by Lostlander · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then the answer would seem to be to make new games that are actually more fun to play than the old ones. People wouldn't be playing the old ones if the new ones were that much more fun. I think the biggest problem with profit in the game industry right now is that nobody focuses on playability aka controls and game mechanics. The few companies that do for example blizzard make record profits whenever they release a game.

  9. Re:High Taxes increases Piracy by Malevolyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Charge a pornographic price and we will pirate it.

    So anything $69 and up?

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  10. I assume this is not bi-directional? by VShael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We want [country A] to change their laws, so that if a person in [country A] breaks our [country B] laws , we can prosecute them."

    If [country A] != America and [country B] = American then GOOD
    If [country A] = America and [country B] = !American then BAD

  11. Seriously? Piracy? by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that China is such a shithole, that it would be completely unethical to waste time dealing with piracy at this point. Let's stop slavery, let's stop human rights abuses, let's enforce workplace health and safety standards.

    Moaning and whining about how a few people are getting games for free in a country like China is like complaining that Hitler stole your parking spot.

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  12. Nintendo doesn't want to take my money by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you don't want to buy the games (for whatever your reasons may be) then don't play the games.

    I want to buy the games, but Nintendo doesn't want to sell the games for any of several reasons. One is the No Export For You mentality even if there's a fully translated prototype (Earthbound for NES) or even if it's been released in another anglophone market (Kuru Kuru Kururin for GBA; Pinocchio for Wii). Another is that games from a smaller developer can't get published unless the developer has already released another commercial title on Windows, and some developers aren't fans of the genres that Windows gamers have historically preferred. What is the alternative to piracy in this case?

  13. Re:While I can see Nintendo's point, I wish they'd by marcop · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would be willing to pay $5-$10 (includes shipping) for a replacement disk. I send them the original scratched disk and they send me a replacement. They can even send it back in a generic box.