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French President Busted For Copyright Violation

An anonymous reader writes "ZeroPaid has an interesting take on the story of Nicolas Sarkozy being accused of copyright infringement. The irony, of course, is Sarkozy's pushing of a 3-strikes law — disconnecting from the Internet those accused of file sharing — in France and across the EU. The French president had apparently offered to settle the copyright infringement accusation for one Euro, but the band rejected the offer, calling it an insult. The article notes that each year since 2006, a high-profile anti-piracy entity has been on the wrong end of a copyright infringement notice. In 2008, Sony BMG was sued for software piracy. In 2007, anti-piracy outfit BASCAP received a cease and desist order related to pirated software. And in 2006, the MPAA was accused of pirating 'This Film is Not Yet Rated'."

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  1. Do. by neoform · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do as I say.

    Not as I do.

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  2. Re:Smart move by neoform · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they don't like his agenda?

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  3. The band in question by bedonnant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is MGMT, for what it's worth. When the band decided to sue, Sarkozy's party offered a "symbolic euro" for compensation.

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    1. Re:The band in question by bedonnant · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, for information, the 3-strikes law will be discussed next week, and implies juicy stuff like "guilty until proven innocent" and "you can only prove innocent if you have installed official government trojan horses on your computer" and "these malware have no requirement of interoperability, which hurts the choice of costumers (!)". Citizens and bloggers (such as myself) following the Quadrature du Net association are calling for a "blackout" (link in French, sorry) of the French side of the internet in protest.

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    2. Re:The band in question by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 5, Informative

      New Zealand, the government has put the law on hold pending agreement between rights holders groups and internet groups on the law's implementation. If no agreement the law will be suspended (whatever that means). NZ Herald news link

    3. Re:The band in question by endymion.nz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For a fair comparison, ask a non-American what the American capital is. America has fifty states, with fifty capitals. I don't expect an American to know what the capital of a random province in my country is. The reason we think you are stupid is because we are outside of the happy fun curtain. We get to see the effects that American imperialism has on the world, our news agencies actually report on the wars and insurgencies that America funds and / or fights by proxy. We see statistics coming out of America like 92% of Americans believe in a God. This speaks volumes. Do you even know what piracy is? Ask the victims of the boats attacked and hijacked off the coast of Somalia. Copyright infringement isn't stealing, it isn't piracy and it isn't theft. When our (mostly Americas, because the rest of the world is forced into following suit by the WHO and WIPO and UN) antiquated notions of property finally catch up to the reality of digital storage and the internet, we might have a chance at getting it right.

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  4. Hypocrisy as the norm... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing that most people simply accept that Hypocrisy is the norm. That's sad.

    The copyright organizations call for "zero tolerance" and are then caught themselves.

    The congressmen who rail against finding teenagers attractive are caught lusting after them.

    Preachers who rail on homosexuals are caught fucking gay prostitutes.

    Vigilantes who claim to catch online predators are found to be employing young teens in their exploits and having child pornography on their computers.

    Educators who rail against drugs and demand for instant lockup of drug offenders... are found to be drug users themselves...

    These are all real stories.

    Instead of stepping back and recognizing that their viewpoints may be of questionable value and that they may have made errors in judgment... they just ignore their mistakes and continue in their hypocritical ways.

    And the world is a worse place for it.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy as the norm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People often hate most of others what they hate most of themselves. They're angry with themselves that they can't control their own behavior, so they lash out at others and attempt to control theirs. It's a compensation mechanism. Either that, or it's plain old game theory--an attempt to persuade others to cooperate while one defects, thus maximizing personal gain.

      I once had a lengthy discussion with a mother who was bat-shit loco against people looking at kiddie porn. She thought anyone who looked at kiddie porn should be sterilized, and that producers should be locked away forever. Deeper into the conversation, she admitted to having looked at kiddie porn, and further admitted to having posted pictures of her nude son on her blog (bathtub pictures). She conceded that she was a hypocrite, but defiantly refused to change her opinion about what should happen to OTHER people who did what she did.

    2. Re:Hypocrisy as the norm... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      These things have *always* happened.

      The only difference is that cameras, record-keeping databases, and surveillance have all gotten much better over the last thirty years.

      Hell some of the early popes had mistresses.

      Power corrupts.

      The only real solution is shrinking the amount of power and wealthy any one person can have. And that boat has sailed.

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  5. We have our Sarkozy in Chile, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in Chile, the president of the SCD (Society of Author Rights) was caught with pirated software, in a powerpoint lecture about... you guessed it... PIRACY! (they are triying to copy the spanish law, taxing the internet connection for the "lost of revenues")

    http://www.elnortero.cl/admin/render/noticia/18164

    An our congress try to pass a 3-strikes law for ISPs... with a word document created by a SCD lawyer with a pirated copy of windows ("UE, The Houze"). There are even commemorative t-shirts!

    http://url.ie/10xd

    http://www.elfrancotirador.cl/2009/01/15/ponte-la-camiseta-con-el-acceso-a-cultura/

    There are RIAAs scammers in every country.

  6. Re:Will the 3 strikes policy affect him? by Dionysus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fuck you frenchy, I hope you and your fat wife drown in a vat of wine.

    Fat wife?

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  7. He's not directly involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The french president Nicolas Sarkozy is not directly sued for this copyright infringement. His own party (UMP) used the song during a meeting, and didn't reported it to the french RIAA (SACEM) for artist compensation, wich generally is pretty low.

    The UMP party is sued for this, but not the french president, who was not in charge for the organization of this meeting, and has presidential immunity.

    But's that's pretty funny anyway.

  8. Re:Smart move by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Informative

    The song was used multiple times for his party's political campaign when the license purchased didn't allow that. From the much more informative article linked in the article, it sounds like they were permitted to use it once but then went on to use it multiple times and, additionally, put it on the internet. Then, rather than paying the difference for such use, the party offered €1. I can't imagine why the band wasn't amused...

    In short, this wasn't a case of Joe User downloading a song; it was unauthorized commercial use.

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  9. The title is inappropriate by French31 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know Nicolas Sarkozy being an omnipresent president and all, but it's not like he personally chose the song, right? It's actually some people among his political party (the UMP) that decided to play the song in two meetings.

    Otherwise, the result is the same: the political party from which Nicolas Sarkozy is has been busted for copyright infringement. It's a further proof that copyright laws are being way too tentacular. Can't they just see it?

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  10. May he get the worst possible treatment by jonaskoelker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    May Sarkozy get the worst possible treatment allowable under law. I hope he gets all his computer (and other electronic devices) seized and thoroughly examined.

    Not out of any hate of Sarkozy, or any need for vengeance for the wrongs committed by the RIAA against innocent people.

    The purpose is this: I believe that those in power should be feel the impact of their decisions.

    You want greater surveillance? Fine, we'll start around your house. You want to wage a war? Fine, any of your eligible children get "volunteered" for army service. You want to give the police power to search people without a warrant? Fine, you'll get searched daily both near your home and near your workplace.

    Then, maybe, just maybe, people would think twice. They tend to when there's something at stake for them.

    This is really an extensions of Schneier's idea about security: the one in charge will make the decision that matches their own agenda. We the people have to make it a part of the agenda of the people in power to make sure their decisions are sane. I've proposed a way.

    May this makes Sarkozy's life really shitty for a while.

  11. Presumed innocent? by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, as I understand it, that is one of the guiding principles of French law. The burden of proof is on the accused.

    Well, you got that wrong then. It were the French that introduced the concept of presumption of innocence in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen and later structured the way laws are written down in the Napoleonic Code

    Of course, The Enlightenment was the source for these ideals as well as the inspiration for the the US Declaration of Independence and the constitution...

    This had a major influence on European law making since Napoleon occupied most of it...

  12. Re:FUCK ARTISTS by eltaco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Artists are my slaves, and they don't deserve shit for their work. As I said, FUCK artists, and FUCK their rights. I'm not doing anything wrong.

    That's exactly what the RIAA says too.
    http://cosmo7.com/safety/safetyriaa.jpg

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  13. Re:Smart move by Handlarn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sigh.

    They were hardly protesting against having their music spread to the big masses. They obviously intented to point out that the most influential politician/pro-copyright spokesman of France is a hypocritical asshole.

    It's incredible how anyone could miss the point.

  14. Re:FUCK ARTISTS by agnosticnixie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay, before my hearing got out of control, I was a musician: here's a big secret, the model that you're defending is one wher 1% of musicians are doing 99% of the music, and 1% of that 1% is a bunch of overpaid pretty faces overlording over underpaid musicians. The recording industry as it works now is the worst enemy of the artists, so fuck you. The real income for music is, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, live performance. If the corps had their way, half the music in the world wouldn't exist today because it's derivative work (hell, italian composers ripped off heartily from each other) or because there's blatant tributes.

  15. Re:FUCK ARTISTS by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the sake of capitalism, I truly hope your statement has boundaries. There is no media that can't be ripped and distributed for LESS than the folks that produce it, or ever will be

    That is the quintessential form of capitalism.

    If I am producing software, and 1 person buys it, copies it, then distributes it for 1/100 (arbitrary number for "best value") of the cost, what incentive do I have to continue producing software?

    You don't. At least not for money. You would continue writing software for the same reasons musicians will still sing and play instruments, artists will still paint and sculpt, and authors will still write books: because you want to.
    Or maybe some company hires you to work on something they need, much like medieval artists were hired by rich patrons to produce works of art for them. See: Linux