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MD Appellate Ct. Sets "New Standard" For Anonymous Posting

A Maryland court of appeals has set what they are calling a new "standard that should be applied to balance the First Amendment right to anonymous speech on the Internet with the opportunity on the part of the object of that speech to seek judicial redress for alleged defamation." The court overturned an earlier ruling that would have required NewsZap.com to turn over the names of anonymous posters who posted negative remarks about the cleanliness of a Centreville Dunkin' Donuts. "In a defamation case involving anonymous speakers, the ruling said, courts should first require the plaintiff to try to notify the anonymous posters that they are the subject of a subpoena. That notification could come in the form of a message posted to the online forum in question, and the posters must be given sufficient time to respond. The plaintiff must then hand over the exact statements in question, so the court can decide whether the comments are obviously defamatory. Finally, the ruling says, the court must weigh the anonymous poster's right to free speech against the strength of the defamation case and the necessity of disclosing the poster's identity."

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  1. wow... by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that ruling actually makes sense. there is no way that it will be allowed to stand!

    1. Re:wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it does not. An anonymous statement holds no weight and thus cannot be defamatory. At least, not enough to rise to the level of court intervention. These types of cases should be thrown out (without wasting all this effort) and our government's resources put to better use. And Dunkin' Donuts needs to grow a pair.

    2. Re:wow... by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd agree with you, but well, you posted as an AC and thus have no weight in this discussion. Too bad.

    3. Re:wow... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it does not. An anonymous statement holds no weight and thus cannot be defamatory.

      If an anonymous statement holds no weight, then why is journalism filled with "anonymous sources say" and "unnamed government officials state"?
      Just because you don't give any weight to anonymous statements doesn't mean the rest of the world ignores them.

      Ultimately it is an issue of trust.
      Most people are willing to trust an anonymous statement if it is not extreme and seems to mesh with their pre-existing world view.

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    4. Re:wow... by causality · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, it does not. An anonymous statement holds no weight and thus cannot be defamatory. At least, not enough to rise to the level of court intervention. These types of cases should be thrown out (without wasting all this effort) and our government's resources put to better use. And Dunkin' Donuts needs to grow a pair.

      I agree. All this means is that anonymous posters need to start using Tor and other technologies because otherwise, they will find you if they want to do it badly enough.

      If it were up to me, the right to anonymous free speech would greatly outweigh the right to sue someone for libel. That would even mean eliminating the ability to sue an anonymous user for libel. I'd much rather people finally learn, once and for all, to never believe anything they see or hear or read without first confirming it themselves or testing whether it's consistent with what they already know to be true. I'd much much rather see that happen than try to use the courts to track down and sue every last false source of information. It's like a "default-allow" firewall versus a "default deny".

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    5. Re:wow... by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's right! That's why I lie and create an assumed name to post under. Now, I have much more credibility and weight than an AC!

    6. Re:wow... by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You and an AC have equal credibility, thus my indirect point. The OP indicated that somehow an AC comment means less (i.e. has no weight) when in reality, hardly anyone ever takes into account who said something, just what was said.

      The Maryland decision is a good one. It provides the courts the ability to weigh the comments themselves before deciding to revoke someone's anonymity. The 'warning' part doesn't really matter. The part that matters, to me, is the fact that before disclosure is required, the courts are actually looking at the claim rather than simply accepting on face value from the plaintiff that the statements are defamatory.

    7. Re:wow... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The part that matters, to me, is the fact that before disclosure is required, the courts are actually looking at the claim rather than simply accepting on face value from the plaintiff that the statements are defamatory.

      But on the other hand, how can the claim be evaluated without the anonymous writer being there to defend it? I worry that this could turn into "pre-trying" the defendant before he's identified -- after all, if you've already decided that the statement is defamatory enough to identify the writer, then you're right on the edge of deciding that the writer is guilty, too. It would suck if the court improperly decided to identify the writer, and then he didn't get a fair trial due to the lingering presumption of guilt.

      (No, I don't have a solution for this.)

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  2. Re:They are all gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    To whom it concerns

    We are giving you notice that you, BadAnalogyGuy, will be the subject of a subpoena. You have 14 days to respond.

    - Maryland Supreme Court

    P.S. And you're gayer.

  3. Cleanliness of a donut shop? Really? by paranoid.android · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems that these First Amendment cases are always about the most trivial and petty things possible. I fully expect the next one to revolve around whether or not yo momma is so fat, and how fat she is.

    1. Re:Cleanliness of a donut shop? Really? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is because of the erosion of our rights. There was a time when first amendment lawsuits involved people like Larry Flynt, saying things like "If the first amendment will protect a scumbag like me, then it will protect all of you, because I'm the worst." These days, the cases that set precedent tend not to involve the worst scumbags, but normal people. Today you can easily see that if there's any question that the constitution will protect us in trivial and petty cases, there's NO chance it will protect us when it's important.

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  4. It isn't "a" Maryland court of appeals ... by grandpa-geek · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... it is "the" Maryland Court of Appeals. In other states it would be known as the state supreme court.

    A similar situation is that what other states call the "state house of representatives" in Maryland is called the House of Delegates. (Virginia calls its lower house that also.)

  5. Re:This is really dumb... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I got from the article was a tacit admission that people would inevitably try to abuse the system to supress legitimate voicing of concern, analagous to the legal cheap shot of invoking the DMCA to supress complaints or discussions of product defects, for example.

  6. Bad plan, darlings. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the problems. First, there's this idea that people who excercise their fifth amendment rights are guilty. Then there's this idea that anonymous speakers are "evil". Nevermind arguments about the 4th amendment, or about privacy and other things -- this all points to a systemic and popular change of opinion in the general public that excercising one's rights is synonymous with abusing them. This is very dangerous -- those rights were enacted to precisely and explicitly to protect innocent people who might otherwise be snared by ambiguous testimony, false witnesses, or procedural mistakes (amongst other flaws in the justice system that hang innocent people).

    But that aside, the crux of the matter is, should anonymous speech be entitled the same protections as non-anonymous speech? If you're tempted to answer yes, consider that an "anonymous poster" stating that a pharmaceutical company is engaging in price fixing doesn't carry the same weight as a former accountant of the company in question stating it. Who you are does indeed matter when it comes to credibility. Just a talking point here. Here's the other problem -- people often post anonymously precisely because they have more to lose because of who they are, yet wish to perform a public service by drawing attention to a problem. Anyone remember F*ckedCompany during the dotcom bubble burst? The court fails to address these questions.

    And the argument could be made they should not address them. Our court system is based on the concept that everything should be public, unless of course it has anything to do with terrorism, the government, or some government official's nuts in the vice, in which case it's Uber-Super-Double-Top-Secret. This is a problem for people found not guilty because public mentality is that even an accusation means you did something wrong. People's lives are ruined daily by false accusation, false witnesses, etc., because the system declares that everything should be public -- not just those found guilty, but also those found not guilty, or even innocent!

    And in a digital age, I don't know that we can afford this anymore. The needs of the many (the public's need to know) is NOT outweighed by the individuals needs (for privacy) any longer, and a foundational aspect of our justice system now needs reform. Specifically, court actions should not be made public until the case is finalized and no longer appealable. Yes, that does mean the public gets less information. In my opinion... Deal with it. If this dynamic were the case, then the collateral damage in involving legal action against anonymous posters would be reduced a hundred-fold. Doing this eliminates the "chilling effect" that these actions provide.

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  7. Re:This is really dumb... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    The appeals court disagreed with you in this decision in general.

    The anonymity of speech, however, is not absolute and may be limited by defamation considerations.

    In this particular case, the plaintiff sued the wrong people and the appeals court ruled that the original judge should not have compelled the NewsZap.com to identify the defendants.

    This case involved 5 anonymous users and the plaintiff Brodie. The first 3 users discussed how a historical home sold by Brodie was burned down and demolished by the new owners. One user chastises the new owners and Mr. Brodie. The other two comment and ask for more information without specially posting any negative comments about Mr. Brodie.

    In response to these comments, two other users make negative remarks about the cleanliness of the Dunkin' Donuts Mr. Brodie owns. One of the first 3 users comments on this but make no negative remarks.

    In the lawsuit, Mr. Brodie however sued only the first 3 and tried to add the other 2 later after the statute of limitations ran out. The appeals court ruled that Mr. Brodie has no real case against the first 3 users as their comments were not libelous in nature. He would have had a case against the other 2 users but did not sue them. Thus Newszap.com should not have been compelled to identify any users.

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  8. Maryland v. X by dhermann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the case of the Emily Vance versus the Bathroom Wall Writer of the Baltimore Golden Corral, Men's Room, 2nd Stall, sometime between 6:30 PM on January 25th 2009 and 10:45 PM on January 27th 2009, the Court finds that Emily Vance, with whom the Bathroom Writer suggested a short-term relationship might result in a pleasant outcome, did effectively write on said wall in reply, letting the Bathroom Writer know he or she was the subject of a subpoena. The Bathroom Writer, who knowingly and wantonly failed to respond, is hereby subject to the default judgement of $840,000. The next time the Bathroom Writer writes on that wall, Ms. Vance should let him or her know that he or she is liable.

  9. i_ate_god into incest, bestiality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot user i_ate_god bragged about his deviant prowess on slashdot: "I helped my uncle jack off the horse", he said in a Monday afternoon posting. He made it clear that he was making a political statement for what he views as an oppressed minority: "no one should be arrested for bestiality," he asserted.