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LEDs Lighting Up the African Darkness

Peace Corps Online writes "In a non-electrified society, life is defined by the sun and little is accomplished once it sets around 6 pm. Only 19 percent of rural areas in Ghana have electricity. The rest use foul-smelling kerosene lamps to light their huts, which pollute, provide little light and are major fire hazards. But now Philips has partnered with KITE, a not-for-profit Ghanaian organization, to bring artificial light to villages that have no electricity. The new Philips products include a portable lantern which provides bright white light where it is needed, the Dynamo Multi LED self-powered (wind-up) flashlight that provides 17 minutes of light from two minutes hand winding, and the 'My Reading Light,' which is a solar-powered reading light with built-in rechargeable battery. 'People can now do things in the evening,' says Harriette Amissah-Arthur, KITE's director. 'If you could only see the joy these products bring the villagers. You look at their faces; you have to see it to believe it.'"

182 comments

  1. Gunfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Doesn't the light attract gunfire?

    1. Re:Gunfire by Shag · · Score: 5, Funny

      A small price to pay for not being eaten by a Grue.

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    2. Re:Gunfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I modded you funny, but I am at this moment in Africa and it is true that such light (or modern technology) in a tent for example, can indeed attract freelancing bandits.

    3. Re:Gunfire by tpgp · · Score: 0, Troll

      but I am at this moment in Africa and it is true that such light (or modern technology) in a tent for example, can indeed attract freelancing bandits.

      Oh ffs. You are currently in 'Africa' are you? Do you realise that Africa is of a comparable size to the EU, China, Alaska & contiguous US combined?

      So... Where are you in relation to Ghana? Give us a quick breakdown of how crime in your area relates to crime in rural Ghana.

      It is utterly typical africa==bandits US groupthink that got your "tech in Africa means you get robbed" got modded up.

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    4. Re:Gunfire by Canazza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He's probably in the Congo.

      Ghana is actually one of the most stable countries in Africa. One that has just finished it's third General Election (with universal suffrage too) this year. It's first was in 1992, with 1996 letting the same guy in again. But considering it spent most of the 20th century ruled by a military Junta, it's come along way.

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    5. Re:Gunfire by atamido · · Score: 1

      Knowing several people from Africa, or currently living there, I'm going to hazard to say that the "US groupthink" isn't all that far from the truth. I would love to spend some time there, but as a whole it's not a particularly safe place right now.

    6. Re:Gunfire by Quantos · · Score: 1

      Most people in Africa don't have an abbundance of books, so why do they need a solar powered reading lamp in the tent? Especially if it's only going to attract bandits anyway.

      People shouldn't be too quick to proclaim this much of an improvement to the lives of people over there. Just take a look at what happened with all of the mosquito netting that is sitting in warehouses, instead of being distributed to the people who need it to reduce the risk of malaria.

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    7. Re:Gunfire by jefu · · Score: 1

      Not all of Africa has bandits roaming around all night, and in much of the continent people actually sleep in huts and houses - even where there is no electricity. (I spent some time in Eastern Congo some years back and it was certainly the case then.)

      As for not having books, I suspect that if people had more time in which they could read, they might read more. So books would be more desirable and people would print/import/write more.

      As for mosquito netting, the fact that governments are corrupt, or that there is a good deal of social inertia to overcome in persuading people to use them is regrettable. But it does not mean that there may not be other things that can be accomplished to effectively change peoples lives, nor that such things should not be attempted.

    8. Re:Gunfire by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      It is utterly typical africa==bandits US groupthink that got your "tech in Africa means you get robbed" got modded up.

      Utterly typical non-US groupthink that everyone in the US thinks alike. The US is a pretty big country.

    9. Re:Gunfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Africa, *as a whole*, is a rather large area of ground, with wildly varying degrees of safety, to cover with nothing more than a few anecdotes.

      While I would certainly not want to go sightseeing in parts of Congo right now, other parts are quite safe.

    10. Re:Gunfire by tpgp · · Score: 1

      Ghana is actually one of the most stable countries in Africa.

      That was precisely my point. Talking about the threat of banditry in one of the safest countries in the world, is.... well stupid.

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    11. Re:Gunfire by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      Utterly typical US groupthink that the rest of the world thinks alike. The US is a pretty small country.

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    12. Re:Gunfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, win an internets!

    13. Re:Gunfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      The USA is the third or fourth (depending on the method) largest country in the world and the third most populous.

    14. Re:Gunfire by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 1

      Oh crap, we're stuck in an infinite recursion...

  2. Very cool. by contra_mundi · · Score: 1

    And excellent PR for Philips.

    1. Re:Very cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somewhat ridiculous though that this is news. This is the same phenomenon that inspired ol' Negroponte to create the OLPC-- people using laptops as light at night.

      Perhaps the last five years might have been better spent on something people really wanted rather than what Negroponte _thought_ they should want.

      Fortunately private industry is there when the geniuses come up short.

    2. Re:Very cool. by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The OLPC was justified on a purely financial basis. The OLPC replaced heavy physical textbooks which require expensive physical distribution with one time laptop physical distribution and then electronic distribution of textbooks. Furthermore, in addition to the financial win, the textbooks could be updated with no distribution costs, they could be in the native language, and the students no longer had to carry all those heavy textbooks on their miles long walks to school; they had all their textbooks in one container, lightweight, with them at home and at school.

      Regardless of how incompetent the OLPC management was, the laptop itself was fully justified on the financial basis alone, and the side benefits were a tremendous side benefit.

  3. Where can I get mine? by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This isn't the first product Philips have produced for developing countries.

    See wood-burning stove: http://www.research.philips.com/newscenter/archive/2006/060227-woodstove.html

    I wish they would make them available to buy in the developed world though. I'd love some of this gear for outdoor pursuits.

    1. Re:Where can I get mine? by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

      wish they would make them available to buy in the developed world though. I'd love some of this gear

      Driving up volume, cost down, in a buy-one-donate-one, OLPC kind of way...

    2. Re:Where can I get mine? by BikeHelmet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my experience, most people would rather pay a fraction of the price of a second item.

      Ex: $150 + $150 = bad
      $150*1.25 (With a sticker: "20% donated to providing blah in 3rd world countries.") will get more buyers.

      We see the same thing in the games industry. People don't want to pay $90 for a content-packed game. They want to pay $30, plus $30 for an expansion if they like it, and another $30 for another expansion.

      In my opinion, it is somewhat likely that OLPC would've done better offering laptops in the developed world for slightly more, rather than double. It'd drive the cost of production down quite a bit, get more exposure(which means more donations and support), and it's cheaper for the consumer.

    3. Re:Where can I get mine? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      For the most part when the people do real outdoor pursuits (I am not talking about campers and the like) Light Weight is key, A lot of these products for the developing countries are a bit heavy and hard to move. Also if they are too convenient then you get rid of the point of camping. The point of camping is starting a nice fire and slow roasting your food. Or use a small and light backpacker stove where you fill with a Light Gas Pump it up light it and whoosh you burn off you eyebrows but have a nice little cooking stove. That philips wood stove which is good for home use isn't really useful for the outdoor people, it is to big and heavy for backpackers and not as fun as an open flame for the others.

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    4. Re:Where can I get mine? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      They would have been far more competitive vs other UMPCs in the developed world if they cost less too.

      They ended up being slightly more (or was it the same price?)than EEE, with some pros, and some cons.

      If they were $300 plus shipping it would have been slightly less (for some reason I think EEE was about $350, but I can't recall).

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    5. Re:Where can I get mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It is truly fascinating to explore the rich cultural history ofAfrica.

    6. Re:Where can I get mine? by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      Things like the solar cookers project are far geekier than a simple wood burning stove! Cooking food with reflected sunlight, even with snow on the ground, is surprisingly neat. Also for developing countries it's a way to cook without using any natural resources.

    7. Re:Where can I get mine? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      High-efficiency stoves have been around longer than 2005. The rocket stove design preheats intake air to improve efficiency. There are many designs and they can be built out of cans, drums, bricks, clay, et cetera. For that matter, I have a $3 solar flashlight I got from the Grocery Outlet that makes a dandy reading or work light (you can hang it on your shirt.) It's nice to see someone giving them to people who need them, though. The simple truth is that if you help people help themselves they'll remember, and if they actually have money to spend they may give it to you someday, so corporations help themselves by helping others. It's when they forget this that the balance is lost.

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    8. Re:Where can I get mine? by Chas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also for developing countries it's a way to cook without using any natural resources.

      Except...sunlight...and the materials consumed to make the stove in the first place...

      I think you meant to say "non-renewable".

      Whoops! Opened my mouth again...

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    9. Re:Where can I get mine? by ghostis · · Score: 1

      http://www.zzstove.com/sierra.html

      is similar, except simpler and AA powered. More to the point, it's actually for sale :-).

      Also, while the Phillips' thermoelectric generator is really cool, I suspect it AAs+{solar,hand,etc}charger may be more available around the world. Fixing the generator might pretty challenging in certain parts of the world. OTOH, Phillips has some pretty good engineering chops, so maybe it never needs fixing! :-D

      -Ghostis

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    10. Re:Where can I get mine? by Deagol · · Score: 1

      Google wood gas stoves for plans and vendors. Most require a battery (or something) to power the down-draft fan, but there are plans for stoves not needing a fan. Several videos on the Tube about their use and making your own. That, and "rocket stoves", which are cool, too (I've got a half-assed prototype of one of these on my back porch right now, and it's fairly effective).

    11. Re:Where can I get mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they should do is put the design and instructions how to build it in the public domain similar to what Ben Franklin did with his stove.

    12. Re:Where can I get mine? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Twice the price, none for you unless you are lucky and have to pay for two! But don't worry, none for the children either!

      Must trusted vaporware ever. It's almost as if you can see it!

      "100 dollar for a laptop? BS!", and yes, it was =P

  4. Biased article... phillips by gravos · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article is biased towards Phillips' contribution... Shouldn't there at least have been a mention of the "Light Up the World Foundation" and Dave Irvine-Halliday (U of Calgary)?

    http://www.ucalgary.ca/oncampus/weekly/nov4-05/schulich-lutw.html

    http://www.google.com/search?q=philips+lutw

    1. Re:Biased article... phillips by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      I think it is biased against oil lamps. People "did things in the evening" long before electric lights. And they didn't have to crank anything.

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    2. Re:Biased article... phillips by MousePotato · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting those links. I can picture a young Dave Halliday 'repairing' a light bulb, only to have it blow up in his face. Perhaps that should have been categorized as an unwise lightbulb experiment ;)

    3. Re:Biased article... phillips by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "People "did things in the evening" long before electric lights."

      so much for the Prime Directive.

      giving them technology they have no means of creating themselves definitely conflicts!

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  5. At the same time, European Union bans incandescent by D4C5CE · · Score: 0, Troll

    lightbulbs to force their replacement with fluorescent tubes containing hazardous mercury (and which are ill-suited for many applications that require instant operation or even harness their heat), rather than leapfrogging directly to LEDs etc.

  6. Now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they can feel the insomnia we Americans feel. Seriously, I hope this doesn't have a negative impact.

  7. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 4, Informative

    The EU has done no such thing. Yes, it banned the sale of classic lightbulbs (effective September 2012). But what you replace them with is your own choice, you are not forced into buying fluorescent tubes.

  8. You will not until somebody decides so. by tristezo2k · · Score: 0

    As usual, big CO test where nobody cares if they die, get blind, etc, and then *when the right time has come* sell where they need. Africa, raped continent. Has had medicine, technology, and many other breakthroughs before anybody, for free. Many times, they kill, but, who really cares? The article makes me *sick*.

    1. Re:You will not until somebody decides so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As usual, moron post when nobody cares if he does so.

    2. Re:You will not until somebody decides so. by daveime · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and if the medicine, technology and many other breakthroughs don't kill them, guaranteed their brother who happens to live in the next tribe WILL.

      Africa will always be the raped continent, unfortunately most of the time it's their own people doing the raping ... Hutus and Tutses for example.

      Bunch of tribalistic savages, the lot of them ... especially the ones with honorary OBE's.

    3. Re:You will not until somebody decides so. by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I don't get your point, is it that they shouldn't get any help since they fight wars? Care to re-write it in a way which people can understand?

  9. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by MacroRodent · · Score: 2, Informative
    Note that the EU is just banning incandescend bulbs, NOT mandating fluorescent ones. When realistic LED lights become available, of course they will be used.

    The mercury problem is easily solvable. Just institute a deposit recycling system for the fluorescents, like there exists for bottles in many countries.

    By the way, am I the only one to find the light from white LEDs irritating? Somehow I find it harder to see in LED light than with alternatives, even when the light output is theoretically comparable. It is as if the frequencies in its spectrum just miss the the ones my photoreceptors are tuned into...

  10. Re:God bless (no text) by DrSkwid · · Score: 1, Troll

    If god wanted them to see at night he wouldn't have made it dark!

    So this is either against the will of god, or, hmm no, no other alternative.

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  11. Don't say it's no (dumb) move to push fluorescent by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    Note that the EU is just banning incandescend bulbs, NOT mandating fluorescent ones.

    It mandates that classic lightbulbs be phased out before equivalent, affordable LED replacements are ready for prime time. As in Australia, this does amount to triggering their large-scale replacement with fluorescent ones, and all the calculations and public pronouncements have been precisely to this effect.

  12. Camping memories by raynet · · Score: 2, Funny

    The rest use foul-smelling kerosene lamps to light their huts, which pollute, provide little light and are major fire hazards.

    I am the only one who thinks kerosene lamps actually do smell quite nice.

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    1. Re:Camping memories by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am the only one who thinks kerosene lamps actually do smell quite nice.

      The smell depends on the fuel. Kerosene can contain varying amounts of sulfur and other odour-inducing substances. Better grades have less odour, and may even have some fragrances added, but cost more. I suppose that the nice-smelling varieties are less common in poorer countries. In fact, they probably mix other cheaper fuels (such as diesel) into the kerosene they do have, adversely affecting soot and smell.

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    2. Re:Camping memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lamps I grew up with did smell nice. But the article probably means the lamps they're using in Ghana smell foul, not that all kerosene lamps smell foul. Depends what you burn in them. Poor quality fuel mixed with industrial waste gets packaged and pawned off.

      I've got a tin of "Nibo" lighter fluid purchased here in Canada at a 7-11. It smells, it's greasy, and the first load clogged my Zippo so badly it refused to light. Anything that can clog a Zippo ain't lighter fluid. God knows what ersatz mix is being pawned off on rural Ghana, but it sure won't be the kerosene you and I burned in lamps here.

  13. Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 socket? by D4C5CE · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sounds like a plan (best described in /. style)...
    1. ban something (pick short-lived widespread household consumable to maximize effect)
    2. while there is only one alternative (with unwelcome side effects) available, let alone affordable
    3. proclaim "what you replace them with is your own choice" (select from 2.)
    4. (whose) profit?!

  14. Re:God bless (no text) by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Funny

    So Philips is the agent of the Devil?

    think of this:

    "In an electrified society, life is defined by the television and little is accomplished once it starts around 6 pm".

    Philips makes lots of TVs too.... case proven :)

  15. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by berend+botje · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is as if the frequencies in its spectrum just miss the the ones my photoreceptors are tuned into...

    Well, that's because the LEDs actually are missing (large) components of the spectrum! :-)

    Even when your eyes are tricked into believing the light is white (by equally stimuling the three kinds of color-sensitive cells), the light reflected off of objects isn't "correct".

    Imagine two green objects. One has true green pigment, the other has a mixture of yellow and blue pigment. Both look the same under incandescent light, because the light from a glowing filament emits a full spectrum .

    When an LED doesn't emit a full spectrum the two objects don't like alike. The "true" green objects only reflects "true" green, not yellow + blue. The "yellow + blue" object doesn't reflect "true" green.

    That's why it's hard to see in such light.

    Your eyes (or brain) can adapt very well to changes in color temperature (yellowy incandescent light, or the blueish halogen light), but it can't cope with holes in the spectrum.

    This goes for compact fluorescent lights as well, even as they keep getting better. The cheap ones are really crappy in this respect.

    For fluorescent tubes there is a rating for color temperate and color rendition. It isn't used (as far as I know) for compact fluorescents as they score way to low on this scale. That would make the public relations department of the manufacturers unhappy.

  16. see it to believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You look at their faces; you have to see it to believe it"

    Well, now I finally _can_ see it.

  17. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by jamesh · · Score: 1

    force their replacement with fluorescent tubes [spiegel.de] containing hazardous mercury

    Didn't someone do the sums on this and figure out that the mercury in one of these CFL 'bulbs' was offset by the lower pollution (itself containing some mercury) coming out of the power plant as a result of using the CFL?

    Or maybe that was just propaganda from the CFL camp... time to do some reading.

  18. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by daveime · · Score: 1

    Yes, you are not forced to buying fluorescent tubes.

    You could always :-

    1 - Sit in the dark
    2 - Burn some books to make a dim campfire
    3 - Harness the power of naturally light emitting bugs

    Of course 1 is no solution at all, just the effect of the initial cause, 2 will piss off the "global warming/cooling/change" crowd, and 3 will piss of the "save the ant crowd".

    Any more bright (excuse the pun) ideas ?

  19. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    which are ill-suited for many applications that require instant operation

    Can you name these "many applications"?
    The slowest fluorescent bulb I have is in a little bedside lamp and it starts in under a second. It's not fast, but it's not as if I could actually do anything in the time between pressing the button and the light coming on.

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  20. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by jamesh · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to wikipedia ... assuming a coal fired plant this statement is correct - the total amount of mercury is lesser when using a CFL:

  21. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    That's assuming *one* CFL can produce the equivalent light output of one incandescent lamp, which is where it all falls down. To get the equivalent of a 60W bulb using CFLs, you need about 40W worth of them.

    Get a light meter and try it.

  22. Not so long ago. by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The rest use foul-smelling kerosene lamps to light their huts, which pollute, provide little light and are major fire hazards."

    In other words, the exact same type of lighting my grandfather's household relied on when he was a child. It's easy to forget that there are many people alive today that only had access to very primitive technology when they were young. And it wasn't because they couldn't afford it, but because it didn't exist anywhere on earth.

    While I am sympathetic to the plight of countries that cannot afford modern technology for their entire population, and the massive infrastructure required to support it, I do keep in mind that we are talking about a gap of only a few generations - not centuries or millenia.

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    1. Re:Not so long ago. by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      While I am sympathetic to the plight of countries that cannot afford modern technology for their entire population, and the massive infrastructure required to support it, I do keep in mind that we are talking about a gap of only a few generations - not centuries or millenia.

      Is your proposal that we wait a few generations and see if they've caught up?

      While I understand where you're coming from, I don't think the fact that we're not far removed from "primitive" technology is a good reason to not worry about the state of the developing world.

      It's striking to compare photos from the Great Depression to the conditions of some modern day countries, but the reason some places haven't caught up isn't simply because we had a head start. The history of colonialism, as well as current foreign and trade policy have a lot to do with keeping things the way they are.

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    2. Re:Not so long ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I often wonder what can be done today, improving the technology bases we pushed aside in favour of fancier ones. In fact, this is what often the "appropriate technology" folks end up doing, because raising the local base is easier than implanting a whole new one.

      The latter causes lots of fancy repairable-if-only-we-knew-how debris by the underdeveloped wayside, and people sitting next to it waiting for the next shipment of "aid". Welcome to the dark side of development do-goodery.

      Apropos of nothing: There are still cities where at least some of the public lights are gas operated. I don't know how well they do in efficiency and carbon footprint and so on compared to the electric ones, but I still cannot help but like them.

    3. Re:Not so long ago. by benj_e · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, kerosene lamps don't have to be "foul-smelling". That usually means that a wick isn't adjusted right.

      And you can easily get plenty of light from the right lamp - check out the Aladdin lamps that are used in parts of the US (don't know where else might use them). Simple lamp, cheap fuel, equivalent to a 60w bulb.

      I like LEDs, most of my flashlights use them. But kerosene lamps have proven themselves over many, many years to be reliable and cheap. Introducing LED technology to countries without manufacturing capability means that they are just going to continue to be dependent on others.

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    4. Re:Not so long ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how exactly does colonialism keep them in the dark ages? maybe some people are poor for a reason? all humans came from africa, yet africans have proven themselves unable to elevate themselves from their poverty-stricken, aid-dependent, caveman-like conditions. ever wonder why japan has the society it does and ghana has the society it does? some people, suffice it to say, are just fucking lazy.

    5. Re:Not so long ago. by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend you read Guns, Germs, and Steel for a well-thought out argument on this topic.

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    6. Re:Not so long ago. by Mr.+Sanity · · Score: 1
      You're probably familiar with the more-expensive and higher-grade fuel that's readily available in the first world. To quote Wikipedia:

      1-K Kerosene is more easily available in bulk than lamp oil in most countries and is typically much cheaper. However, kerosene contains more impurities such as sulfur and aromatic hydrocarbons than lamp oil. Kerosene obtained from filling stations is more likely to be contaminated with water than kerosene obtained in prepackaged containers. The odors produced by burning kerosene in wick lamps can be quite objectionable indoors.

      This is more likely what's being used in countries mentioned in the article.

    7. Re:Not so long ago. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Of course back in those days house fires were a major concern too. These days it is downright rare for a house to burn down, mostly because we've moved away from hazards like kerosene lamps.

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    8. Re:Not so long ago. by benj_e · · Score: 1

      I use 1-K kerosene to heat my workshop. The Amish in our area use it to heat, cook, and light their homes.

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    9. Re:Not so long ago. by RichiH · · Score: 1

      > It's easy to forget that there are many people alive today that only had access to very primitive technology when they were young.

      Like.. in Africa? ;)

      Btw, there are other countries which would benefit from this, as well. In India, I saw a family of maybe 13 people sit around a large stone in front of their hut, presumably having breakfast, at ~0530 in the morning. The only light they had was from my passing car. And those people lived directly outside of a large & prestigious university.

  23. Mercury From Coal by olddotter · · Score: 1

    If you live in a region where electricity comes from coal power, much more mercury will be put in the air from burning coal to power an incandescent bulb, than is contained in a CFL (which can be safely recycled). Granted a CFL won't work too well as refrigerator light....

    Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 40 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions.

    from US EPA

  24. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    Can you name these "many applications"?

    Incandescent bulbs are still very useful, if only because they still have advantages over their current low-cost replacement (fluorescent bulbs) - instant turn-on, stable color rendition, operation at very high or very low temperatures and unity power factor. Never mind the toxcity and disposal issues with CFBs. LEDs address most of these points though.

    Incandescent may be loosing its relevance, but banning them altogether is stupid IMHO.

  25. 1000 years of darkness to continue for US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the prospect (now fact) of handing our dwindling resources (including real estate) over to the same handful of felonious bastards who mucked US up scares some of US into further action to compensate.

  26. Re:Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 sock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A friend of mine is a senior researcher at Philips. The LEDs will be there by 2012.

  27. Re:Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 sock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks to me like they opened a market for led lamps (and fluorescent lamps of course). It's up to manufacturers to step in this market. What more do you want? Subsidies?

  28. I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative
    You are totally wrong. You have to use an incident light meter, it's no good pointing a camera type light meter at the bulb because incandescents all have a bright spot while fluorescents spread the emission over a bigger area.

    My own experiments, years ago, showed that in real world use CFLs are equivalent to about four times the wattage of standard 1000 hour incandescents, whereas full size fluorescents produce maybe 5 times the output of the same wattage incandescent. Linear 8W CFLs as used on boats and caravans give about the same actual illumination as a 20W tungsten-halogen bulb, because their light output is much less directional, but then they are much better at illuminating dark corners.

    Case in point: when we moved to our present house, the kitchen used 3 100W bulbs. These have been satisfactorily replaced with 3 20W CFLs for the last 20 years. As different types of CFL have evolved, there has been no deterioration in light output, though it is important to buy good quality - GE or Philips - bulbs.

    I note that the cost of LEDS is now becoming comparable in lifetime cost with CFLs. The main issue is that LED drivers are relatively inefficient because most of them waste a lot of power in series resistors. What is needed is a really efficient current driver IC for LEDs. This would drive up the efficiency of conversion and make them even more useful in the Third World.

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    1. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Okay, case in point: When I replaced the lights in my living room with CFLs, I needed twice as many to be able to see well enough to read. One was dim and eyestrainy. I'm well aware of the difference between spot and incident metering.

      Another thing I noticed was that during power cuts, the genny used about twice as much diesel when I switched to CFLs. Somehow they use more power, the fuel bills prove it.

    2. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When I replaced the lights in my living room with CFLs, I needed twice as many to be able to see well enough to read

      The CFLs have narrower spectrum peaks than the incandescents. The page is not one color and if it were it probably still wouldn't be the color the CFLs illuminate best. Most of the light from the CFL won't bounce off a book. Magazines will usually be better because the paper is usually whiter.

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    3. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Most of the light from the CFL won't bounce off a book.

      Kind of defeats the purpose, then, doesn't it? Maybe I should stick to oil lamps or something - I certainly don't see the point in spending a lot of money on ineffective lamps that use more power.

    4. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      >What is needed is a really efficient current driver IC for LEDs.

      They exist in large, large quantities. My company makes three dozen, currently, with another three dozen in development. So do half a dozen of our competitors.
      They also add about $1 to the cost of the lightbulb, and consumers mostly buy the bulbs that cost $1 less.

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    5. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I use a 4W LED spot as a reading light, it puts the vast majority of the light where I need it so that I can read even though the spectrum reflection is poor. The light is admittedly quite blue (cool) which is kind of annoying, but at least there's no flicker. If this doesn't work for you, I suggest that you go back to incandescent for reading, which probably still has a lower environmental impact than using the oil lamps. GE reportedly is coming out with incandescents which reflect some/most of the IR back onto the filament and use 50% of their usual power consumption, you might look into that.

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    6. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Contrary to what the poster above says, CFLs generally emit a broad spectrum of light, and in most cases it's actually broader than incandescents. That said, not all CFLs are created equal, so it's possible you picked a poor model. A comparison is available here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/how_to/4215199.html?nav=hpPrint&do=print

      In any event, a CFL certainly DOES NOT use more energy, so if you think they do based on some past experience, then your test methodology was flawed. Plug your lamp into a wattmeter and try again. If your generator was using more fuel, then something else was on.

    7. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly because the CFLs don't generate much heat when they are on? Incandecents release much more thermal energy than CFLs, which "helps" in the heating of your home.

    8. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no "added value". You should integrate the current driver circuit with a power line communication interface and make the bulb dimmable over the power wire.

    9. Re:I have tried it - use the meter correctly by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Heating hasn't really got much to do with electricity.

  29. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by stalwartPK39 · · Score: 1

    Should I say something incendiary like: "This would never happen in America." in order to increase the likelihood of a response, or should I just politely ask for an instance where America banned a product that was widely-used, just because it was to the eventual greater common good...hmmm

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  30. Re:Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 sock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    1000lm LED packs exist, although not in E27 socket format yet. A 100W LED would be much too bright for most applications (brighter than a 300W halogen lamp).

    The "hazardous mercury" is pure scaremongering. Fluorescent lights are the primary light source in many work environments and they cause no problem. CFLs are just small fluorescent tubes with built-in starter electronics. In places where most electricity is produced by burning coal, the mercury pollution caused by incorrect disposal of fluorescent tubes is less than the mercury pollution from the coal.

    CFLs can instantly provide 70% of their target brightness. If you choose your CFLs such that the power on brightness is sufficient for your application, you get an extra 50% after a few minutes and still save power and money.

  31. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why doesn't it just tax them at a higher rate?

    As big a fan of CFLs as I am (my house lighting is 99% CFL), banning incandescents is stupid. What do you use in the oven? CFLs NOR LEDs can withstand the heat. (Then there is the dryer and freezer, although leds might do the job, CFLs won't fare well there).

  32. Product Naming by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Reading Light? I'm getting annoyed with people naming everything "My xxx". Was this started by Windows? Or was it "My Little Pony". My God. These people should hire some open source developers to name their products.

    1. Re:Product Naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure... KReadingLight. Rolls off the tounge doesn't it?

    2. Re:Product Naming by AlXtreme · · Score: 2, Funny

      My God. These people should hire some open source developers to name their products.

      The Gimped Feisty gLight? No thanks.

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    3. Re:Product Naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MySQL?

    4. Re:Product Naming by Phydaux · · Score: 1

      We'd just end up with MRL (MRL Reading Light).

    5. Re:Product Naming by ryllharu · · Score: 1

      The Open Source flashlight: Luminescent Lurefish.

    6. Re:Product Naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Reading Light? I'm getting annoyed with people naming everything "My xxx". Was this started by Windows? Or was it "My Little Pony".

      Specifically? Probably started with "My Dick" back with the cavemen. Sure he probably had "My Club", "My Spear", "My Woman" but "My Woman" would be of no use without "My Dick" and without "My Dick" he'd have been "My Woman" to someone who did have "My Dick" so "My Dick" was certainly the caveman's most important possession.

      My God. These people should hire some open source developers to name their products.

      No. Just no.

    7. Re:Product Naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm getting annoyed with people naming everything "My xxx".

      I don't know about you, but I'd if everything was "My xxx."

      Rather...stimulating.

    8. Re:Product Naming by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Well, if it makes you feel any better, Microsoft's going to release theirs (at least the second version) as "Reading Light", without the "my".

      In other news, Open Source is communist because they're taking away the feeling of ownership...

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    9. Re:Product Naming by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      No "My Club" probably was his most important possession, because without "My Club" or "My Spear", "My Life" would have been over pretty quick, making possession of "My Dick" pretty useless.

  33. PunPunPum! by xtracto · · Score: 1

    'If you could only see the joy these products bring the villagers. You look at their faces; you have to see it to believe it.'"

    I smell pun... or at least a not so bright attempt at humor

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  34. Lighting up the world by mc1138 · · Score: 1

    While it would be nice to think everyone is going to just do everything they can to help developing countries, but the truth is cost has to come way down before a company will partner and do something like this. However, as it becomes better for the image of the country and create practical applications for a product, I'd like to think this will start getting much more popular in all fields of technology, to create cheaper more durable products at a faster rate.

  35. Infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like spreading the cultures of the modern world like a viral infection.

    Why should people do things at night? So they can be productive and sleepless and spiritually void, dead, like the rest of the world? The sun goes down for a fucking reason.

    I hope this project ultimately fails.

    Fuck America, fuck modern living.

    1. Re:Infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... says the man using a computer to post his opinion on the internet.

    2. Re:Infection by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Humans used to be nocturnal hunters, you know that right? :-)

    3. Re:Infection by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Deep caves are natural and spiritual. Go spend the rest of your life in one, and stop annoying people who like cleanliness and light.

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  36. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your eyes (or brain) can adapt very well to changes in color temperature (yellowy incandescent light, or the blueish halogen light), but it can't cope with holes in the spectrum.

    That's bullshit. The eye has photoreceptors for three colors. Each type of photoreceptor has a smooth response curve over a wide band of wavelengths. The response from a photoreceptor only varies in intensity when light of different wavelengths strikes it. Missing bands in the spectrum can cause incorrect color rendition, but do not trigger some "subconscious" reaction to otherwise invisible gaps in the spectrum. It's as if the object in question simply had a slightly different color. CFLs with a CRI close to 90 are almost indistinguishable from incandescent bulbs. The small remaining differences are inconsequential in normal environments without special color rendition requirements (like pre-press), and the option to increase the light throughput by 50-100% while still saving power gives CFLs the edge.

  37. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your light meter is broken.

  38. Re:Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 sock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What more do you want?

    Freedom of choice, thank you very much.

  39. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who makes these CFLs with a CRI close to 90, and where do you get them?

    Most bulbs don't even list the color temperature, much less CRI.

  40. African Darkness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The title is racist!

  41. Applications requiring incandescent lamps by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    Can you name these "many applications"?

    If I were a hippie ;-) I'd cite lava lamps and illuminated blocks of salt, but suffice it to wish you you best of luck with an LED in your oven and a CFL in your fridge or snow-covered yard.
    Oh, and the latter (unlike lightbulbs) even at room temperature do take significantly longer to reach full brightness than the "one second" you postulate.

    1. Re:Applications requiring incandescent lamps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have CFLs lighting up my snow covered yard. Granted it's the Ottawa area, not Winnipeg or a ridiculously cold place. They take ~30 seconds to come to full brightness, but they do the job well. I guess they may die quicker then an incandescent bulb, but it's been almost 3 years now with no dead bulbs. For those that live further south, a normal winter around here ranges from -15C to -30C from November to March, with significant amounts of snow/freezing rain. The summers usually peak at around +30C or so with silly humidity. Since the bugs around here are big enough to be ridable, I generally stay in the screen porch and watch them try to eat nylon.

      I will give you that there isn't currently an acceptable substitute for ovens and maybe freezers. The only thing keeping CFL out of my fridge is size.

      I've found that CFLs cost more then incandescent, but they're worth it for the better colour quality and the lower power bill. My wife however, differs on the colour point. She misses the yellow tinge of the incandescent bulbs. Luckily, she's willing to accept the different light to save the not inconsiderable amount each month.

      All to their own I guess.

      I don't drive a Prius to save the environment, I drive it to save money.

    2. Re:Applications requiring incandescent lamps by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

      While those whose may be applications where incandescent bulbs have advantages none of them (or any of the other replies) seem to be applications that "require instant operation" which is what you said and what I asked about.

      I asked about that specifically because whenever this comes up someone talks about them being slow to start up but I practical terms I can't imagine how the small delay can pose an actual problem worth worrying about.

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    3. Re:Applications requiring incandescent lamps by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

      The problem is not the short initial flicker but the considerable delay (several minutes on many models) for them to reach full brightness.

      And all the praise about LEDs comes with the caveat that they often won't fit standard lamp bases/sockets just yet - though they are quite excellent for the use described by TFA.

      In other words, neither technology can replace lightbulbs in all applications, which is exactly why one may consider outlawing these a bad idea at this point in time. (Left to the market, the savings alone should ensure their replacement wherever it is easy or at least worth the hassle.)

      Anyhow, given how the start of this thread got modded (hours after having sparked such a long and informative discussion) though simply summarizing justified issues as reported by hyperlinked reputable sources, probably one must not mention the few genuine shortcomings of CFLs around here.

  42. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Skater · · Score: 1

    R-12 comes to mind.

  43. Solar powered flashlights by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

    And how about finally giving credit to us pollocks for our contribution of the solar powered flashlight, my people have been ridiculed for long enough on this one.

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    1. Re:Solar powered flashlights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how about finally giving credit to us pollocks

      What do fish have to do with it?

    2. Re:Solar powered flashlights by Hordeking · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And how about finally giving credit to us pollocks for our contribution of the solar powered flashlight, my people have been ridiculed for long enough on this one.

      Q: How many pollocks does it take to recharge a solar powered flashlight?

      A: None. They haven't figured out how to charge them at midnight when the power goes out.

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  44. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Dulux series by Osram is marked with color temperature and CRI in one number: An 827 CFL is a 2700K light with a color rendering index >80. Osram makes compact 930 lights (CRI>90 3000K), but not (yet) in the "normal" E27 socket format. Consumers looking to replace incandescent bulbs should go for 827 CFLs, as they're the drop-in replacement with a light color and color rendering quality closest to incandescent bulbs. ("Daylight" and other color temperatures >3000K are what most people associate with sterile, cold fluorescent tube light. 2700K is the "warm" yellowish light they're used to from incandescent bulbs.)

  45. Oven use by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    banning incandescents is stupid. What do you use in the oven?

    Indeed! Neither CFLs nor LEDs give off enough heat to work in an oven.

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    1. Re:Oven use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banning incandescent bulbs is dumb.

      Laws should not specify an implementation ...

      I should start my own company selling replacement heating elements for "ovens" ... that just happen to emit light and fit in a standard light bulb socket.

      imagine if we had passed a law to "save" gas back in the 70's all cars must be equipped with 2 barrel carburetors you know rather than a 4 barrel or two 4 barrels carbs.

      Yes there are cases where there is a better alternative to incandescent bulbs ... just like there are better alternatives to anything using electric resistance heat.. water heaters, space heaters ,stoves, clothes dryers, curling irons etc but a gas fired geothermal heat pump powered curling iron is not exactly ... um practical.

      It is more efficient to burn the natural gas at the point of use where you need the heat rather burning it in a power plant ... throwing away 2/3's or more of the energy as waste heat, throwing away some more delivering the electricity and then converting that back into heat.

      Heck maybe I'll replace my old light bulbs with gas lights!
         

  46. Finally, someone gets it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike the OLPC folks! Let there be light!!!

  47. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by tkjtkj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have an LED headlight for my bicycle.. its very bright .. and very expensive .. it cost $200, and its the cheapest way to obtain safe night-riding ability. and ive never ever noticed any weirdness to its color spectrum .. Of course, at night one is not looking for incorrect color rendition .. nonetheless, it works, it makes night into day, it keeps me alive... and for those advantages, its priceless. tkjtkj@gmail.com

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  48. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by aurispector · · Score: 1

    Hear, hear! I'm a big fan of tax credits for this thing-give people an incentive rather than a punishment. Why use a stick when a carrot works just as well?

    A legislative ban on incandescents is just plain stupid for the reasons you mentioned. If you follow the electrons incandescent bulbs aren't a problem. Hell, what is the problem in the first place? Greenhouse gas production and pollution, which comes from many sources including electricity production. Look at overall energy use to see the heart of the problem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_use_in_the_United_States has charts clearly showing that the largest energy use is industrial and transportation, energy which in turn is generated by burning fossil fuels directly as with internal combustion engines or indirectly by electricity generation.

    The bottom line: CFL's save drop in an ocean.

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  49. Quote the summary... by Xanlexian · · Score: 2, Funny

    'If you could only see the joy these products bring the villagers. You look at their faces; you have to see it to believe it.'

    I bet their eyes light up!

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    1. Re:Quote the summary... by trb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if only we could see. Ummm, what would that take. Some kind of invention where you could record a moving image and make it available for playback on demand. Maybe someday.

  50. What's wrong with Halogen Bulbs? by sd.fhasldff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Halogen light bulbs use tungsten filaments, JUST LIKE ORDINARY BULBS.

    Two main differences:

    - The filament is run at a much higher temperature, resulting in higher efficiency (around 20%).

    - The gas inside the quartz "bulb" (the inner bulb, if you're buying a large bulb as a replacement) is a halogen gas (thus the name). These molecules combine with tungsten evaporated from the filament and effectively redeposits the tungsten on the filament. This results in longer lifetime.

    End result: Longer lasting bulb, higher efficiency, roughly same environmental impact as normal bulb during production and disposal, still incandescent light (so no gaps in the output spectrum).

    The one downside to halogen bulbs is that they get a lot hotter. Why? They have lower heat output, right? Yes, they do, but the AREA is a lot smaller due to the close proximity of the quartz. An outer bulb, such as typically present in a large-format "normal bulb replacement" (E26 base in the US), reduces this problem to about the same as for an ordinary bulb.

    1. Re:What's wrong with Halogen Bulbs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halogen bulbs are not being phased out, in fact, I think halogens in E14/E27 bases it'll be the popular replacement for traditional incendescents where dimmers are in use or where CFLs simply won't fit -- or in fixtures where the bulb is directly visible.

      So this isn't really that big of a deal. Nobody's forcing anyone to switch to CFL's, they're just forcing people to switch away from "normal" incandescents - and there is at least one option which is at least as good in practically all applications.

      I'd replace all my current incandescent bulbs (I have compact fluorescents in the spaces they make sense) with halogen savers if they were more generally available, and save 30% energy while doubling the bulb lifespan. It's a pity that the only ones I can actually find for sale where I live are 28 W and 42 W variants (equivalent in 40 W and 60 W in light output) in a standard pear shape on a E27 base. I need the equivalent of 100 W of light output in one fixture for example - a CFL would have to be huge to deliver that amount of light.

  51. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by maxume · · Score: 1

    Pretty much any light that is on for less than an hour a week. That's less than $1 of electricity a year, saving $0.75 of it with a more expensive, slower, less reliable (IME) bulb, isn't worth it.

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  52. Wind up != Self Powered by DigitalReverend · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If you have to wind it up, you are exchanging one form of energy for another. It is not self powered.

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  53. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Spatial · · Score: 1

    You can actually see the gaps in the spectrum yourself if you use a refracting object like a prism. It's pretty neat.

  54. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Thornburg · · Score: 1

    (I'm only quoting the most relevant part of your text, but I'm responding to the whole post).

    Imagine two green objects. One has true green pigment, the other has a mixture of yellow and blue pigment. Both look the same under incandescent light, because the light from a glowing filament emits a full spectrum .

    BS. Normal incancesdents are NOT full spectrum. That's why they produce such a nasty yellow light (color temp around 2700K).

    LEDs are available in a variety of color temps, but it is true that it is very difficult to make "full spectrum" LED light. OTOH, Fluorescents, including CFLs, are widely available in full spectrum. Yes, your average $1.50 CFL from Walmart is NOT full specturm, but they are easily available.

    I agree on the point that if the CRI rating were listed on all lights, nearly all LEDs and any non-full spectrum CFLs would score horribly. Normal incancesdents would not fare very well either.

    If you want quality light, buy full spectrum. If you want really low TCO, buy LED. If you're an old dog who can't learn the new trick of liking non-yellow light, buy anything with a color temp around 2700k.

  55. Re:Wind up != Self Powered by Loopy1492 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Thank you /., the place where every nerd can pick nits 'til the apocalypse comes.

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  56. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But what you replace them with is your own choice"

    I think I'll replace mine with foul-smelling kerosene lamps.

  57. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a tip to anyone contemplating buying an LED headlight for a bicycle. It is cheaper and just as effective to buy a small LED flashlight. I have a Fenix L2D and I mount it with a Twofish Flashlight Holder. At $50 a pop you can get a couple and mount one on the bars and one on your head and still save over a bike specific light. There are many other options. Check out the Electronics, Lighting, and Gadgets forum on bikeforums.net for tons of information and advice.

  58. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by berend+botje · · Score: 1

    Normal incancesdents are NOT full spectrum. That's why they produce such a nasty yellow light (color temp around 2700K).

    Ok, let me rephrase that. Incandescents have a spectrum without gaps, but are (as all black body radiators) limited in upper frequency. Normal bulbs emit a yellow light (stronger in the red part, not so much towards the blue part of the spectrum), halogen bulbs go somewhat further up the spectrum and thus appear more white. Compared to daylight, even halogen is yellow. The point being made is that the spectrum has no gaps, it is just gradually attenuated at the upper part.

    Fluorescents, including CFLs, are widely available in full spectrum.

    I have sought high and wide, but I can't get CFL's with good color rendition. Even the ones marketed as "full spectrum" aren't very good! It appears the term "full spectrum" is used to denote "whiter" light, not "gapless" light. I can find excellent fluorescent tubes, but not CFL's. They do get better, but they have a lot of catch-up to do compared to the tube variety. I don't know why, both technologies look the same to me. Apparently they aren't.

    LEDs aren't suitable for general lighting. Not bright enough and terrible color rendition. Doesn't matter for some uses, but matters a lot for general use.

  59. Kerosine lamps FTW! by EWAdams · · Score: 3, Informative

    I spent some time in northern Sudan as a child. We had kerosine lamps that used wicks, and Petromax pressure lamps that used a mantle (like the Coleman lamps in the USA). As an 8-year-old I loved having my own kerosine lamp to read by in bed. Yeah, it was dim -- but in a pitch black room with dark-adapted eyes, it was plenty.

    They DO pollute, they ARE a fire hazard... but the world will be a little poorer when the last kerosine lamp is gone.

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    1. Re:Kerosine lamps FTW! by ksheff · · Score: 1

      They DO pollute, they ARE a fire hazard... but the world will be a little poorer when the last kerosine lamp is gone.

      and won't know how to find their way in the dark once their batteries can no longer hold a charge and new ones are unavailable.

      If they were able to use waste products to make their own bio-fuel to power their lamps, they wouldn't need to buy replacement batteries from Phillips.

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  60. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by berend+botje · · Score: 1

    At night your color vision isn't all that great anyway. The color photoreceptors aren't as sensitive as the "black and white" receptors.

    But, as an experiment you can do at home: find something that has a lot of different colors, but it must not be printed (as the print proces only uses 4 inks to make up all the colors). Perhaps a box of crayons, or paint samples. During daylight (or incandescent light) sort them into a gradual rainbow. Wait until dark, and shine your LED headlight on them. See the difference? Some colors appear way darker / lighter this way. That is the effect of gaps in the spectrum.

  61. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Hatta · · Score: 1

    That's why they produce such a nasty yellow light (color temp around 2700K).

    You mean that's why they produce such a gorgeous soft yellow light. The only light superior to incandescent is candle light.

    What really gets me is when they advertise "daylight" bulbs that give off a blue light, when sunlight is clearly yellow.

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  62. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Rambuncle · · Score: 1

    Analog television.

  63. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    The EU has done no such thing. Yes, it banned the sale of classic lightbulbs (effective September 2012). But what you replace them with is your own choice, you are not forced into buying fluorescent tubes.

    Quite true. You can sit in the dark.

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  64. Understanding of vision is incorrect by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    Your understanding of both pigment and the mechanism of vision are flawed. Human vision has only a 3-color system, and therefore cannot distinguish many mixes of colors. (Birds have a 4-color system, the last I heard; mammals lost theirs when they became nocturnal, and we have not fully recovered ours because, basically, primate evolution has not had long enough for it to reappear- perhaps the selection pressure is not that great.) What's more, there is no such thing as a pure green pigment. This is because the very concept of "green" covers a range of frequencies, and any "green" light produced by a black body radiator and produced by filtration will have a peak somewhere in the region we call "green", and considerable outliers. It is possible to produce objects that look the same color under one source and different colors under another, but that applies equally between mean sunlight and incandescent bulbs as between bulbs and CFLs.This is because the energy spectrum of an incandescent lamp is nothing like mean sunlight. The fact that we are not usually consciously aware of this shows how adaptable the eye is to different light sources.

    As a final note, it is possible to produce fluorescents that give a rendering much closer to mean sunlight than do incandescent bulbs, whereas the only way to get the effect with incandescents is to use filters which stop most of the visible radiation from them, meaning that a very high wattage is needed. In the good old days we needed 1000W Photofloods with special film for color indoor photography, which you can do just fine nowadays with standard discharge flashlamps that are built into cameras.

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    1. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by AJWM · · Score: 4, Informative

      Birds have a 4-color system, the last I heard; mammals lost theirs when they became nocturnal, and we have not fully recovered ours because, basically, primate evolution has not had long enough for it to reappear- perhaps the selection pressure is not that great.)

      Actually some humans (and presumably, other primates) do have a 4-color system. It tends to occur more frequently (but still rarely overall) in females than males, perhaps for the same reasons that color-blindness tends to be more frequent in males. If I recall correctly the extra receptor is toward the violet end, and to these people indigo is actually a different color rather than just a shade of blue.

      (Compare with mantis shrimp that have 12 color channels, extending into the ultra-violet and infra-red, plus receptors to distinguish circularly polarized light.)

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    2. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by HiggsBison · · Score: 1

      Actually some humans (and presumably, other primates) do have a 4-color system. It tends to occur more frequently (but still rarely overall) in females than males, perhaps for the same reasons that color-blindness tends to be more frequent in males. If I recall correctly the extra receptor is toward the violet end, and to these people indigo is actually a different color rather than just a shade of blue.

      The way I read it is that the green cone gene is on the X chromosome. Men get one, women get two. In some women, one of the green cone genes is a bit mutant in the yellowish direction. So they get more differentiation in the red to green area, not anywhere near the violet end. One of the other cone genes is also on the X chromosome, so it is possible that there could be a woman with two normal genes and two mutant genes; that is, a pentachromat.

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    3. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True human tetrachromacy is still under investigation. Saying that 'some humans' have it is a bit overstated -- Only a few solidly tetrachromatic candidates have ever been found in studies.

    4. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The extra receptor is a red receptor. It's apparently X-chromosomal, which means that only ladies will ever have two different ones (yeah, and genetically manipulated people - but I'm sure they can also get the 12-channel upgrade), and that it usually is identical to the other red receptor you have. Only if they're significantly different will you see a difference.

      Of course, this means that if your mom is a tetrachromat, you're also likely to be one depending on your father's X chromosome. If your dad has a very deviated one, you're fairly sure of becoming a tetrachromat.

      The difference is visible (I'm a male so I don't see it) apparently as being able to distinguish oranges and reds based on what we can only distinguish using a wavelength measuring device.

    5. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by AJWM · · Score: 1

      You're probably right on the extra color; as I think on it that sounds more familiar than my dimly remembered 'violet' receptor.

      There are still some people that see indigo as a more distinct color than the shade of blue that I (and many) people see it as, that may be yet another variation on the cone genes (or not).

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    6. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't that seem funny, since neither ultraviolet or infra-red travel well through water (absorbs those bands).

    7. Re:Understanding of vision is incorrect by qohen · · Score: 1

      For reference: the Wikipedia page for Tetrachromat.

  65. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is as if the frequencies in its spectrum just miss the the ones my photoreceptors are tuned into...

    Well, that's because the LEDs actually are missing (large) components of the spectrum! :-)

    Even when your eyes are tricked into believing the light is white (by equally stimuling the three kinds of color-sensitive cells), the light reflected off of objects isn't "correct". Imagine two green objects. One has true green pigment, the other has a mixture of yellow and blue pigment. Both look the same under incandescent light, because the light from a glowing filament emits a full spectrum .

    No!

    Incandescent light is extremely blue deficient. It's not at all "full spectrum".

    Colors look approximately right under incandescent illumination because your eyes are extremely good at color-adjusting the signal to the brain to compensate for the ambient light, and "most" things you tend to look at don't have sharp spectral bands. But in the case you describe, where a green color is synthesized from a blue and a yellow reflectance band, it will look very different under sunlight and incandescent light. (Look up "alexandrite", for example)

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  66. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    The mercury problem is easily solvable. Just institute a deposit recycling system for the fluorescents, like there exists for bottles in many countries.

    They will end up in the trash in most countries anyway.

    By the way, am I the only one to find the light from white LEDs irritating?

    Nope. They're fluorescents too. There also exist tri-color white LEDs which have red/green/blue LEDs and some circuitry to balance the color out, but they're far more expensive and don't necessarily converge properly, leading to colored ghosts around the edges.

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  67. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by BigAssRat · · Score: 1

    The EU has done no such thing. Yes, it banned the sale of classic lightbulbs

    Do you even know what an incandescent bulb is??

    But what you replace them with is your own choice

    How can it be "your own choice" if you no longer have the option of the "classic lightbulbs"?

  68. My xxx? by BigAssRat · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I usually try not to name my home porn "My xxx" though.

    These people should hire some open source developers to name their products.

    How would GNU/My Reading Light be any better?

  69. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    If you want to be even cheaper, make your own. National Semiconductor LM3405 driver chip and half a dozen associated components (this link has what I consider to be the snazziest design software I've ever seen, that'll crank out a list of the precise parts you need and even send them to you) plus a couple Philips LumiLED LXHL-BW02's from Future
    Electronics (the cheapest source) and you have a lovely little light that'll run for days off a 9v battery. Since a 9V is a crappy way to run a light, price/performance-wise, you could use a boost driver like an LM2623 to run your LED's off 2 AA cells, and that's an easy design too.
    If it's not obvious from the foregoing, I design parts of these chips, so my referrals of their site isn't altruisic. They're good chips, anyway. Although so are Maxim's.

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  70. Bogo Light has been doing this for a few years by jrifkin · · Score: 1

    SunNight Solar Enterprises Corp has been selling something like this for a few years. You can purchase a pair of rechargeable LED flashlights - one for you, one for charity - for between $50 to $60. You can choose where in the world you would like the donated flashlight to go.

    The two I have are best flashlights I've ever owned. They're solid, heavy duty plastic with a durable power switch. I've been using my first one for two years now. The original rechargeable batteries are still working, and the light *just works*.

    http://www.bogolight.com/

    1. Re:Bogo Light has been doing this for a few years by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      My shake-to-charge LED flashlight cost US$5 at the shop down the street. It's lasted for about 2 years so far as well, and has the advantage of working even if I didn't remember to leave it somewhere sunny all day.

      I actually use it every day: As my conservation-geekiness has increased, I now use it whenever I have to go in another room at night to get something, pee, etc.

      Until my gf moved in, I had my total energy bill (power + gas) down to about $8/month. She can't sleep without A/C so it's shot up again, sadly.

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  71. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

    I replaced all my ceilings with glass, and filled my attic with fireflies.

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  72. Re:Oh come on, where's the 100W LED in an E27 sock by sherpajohn · · Score: 1

    The LED's are here now, if you have access to the vast pool of $'s you need to implement them. One article said on the order of $60k to do a nice big home. Even if your home is 1/60th of "nice big" that's still $1k.

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  73. sunlight is not yellow by r00t · · Score: 2, Funny

    You need to count the sunlight that gets spread out by the atmosphere, making that lovely blue sky. Add up the blue sky and the yellow-looking Sun, and you get a bluish-white light.

    The result is that natural shadows have a bluish cast. People look more natural outdoors because the shadows of their face get this.

    To reproduce, method 1:

    Cover your ceiling with an array of colored LEDs that point down. Focus the red and green ones to a 1-degree angle. Spread out the blue ones. Of course, this requires about a million LEDs for a typical room.

    To reproduce, method 2:

    Get a very high ceiling with bluish-white lights way up high. (mercury, halogen, LED, etc.) Focus the lights into 1-degree downward beams. At a normal ceiling height, add a false ceiling made from aerogel. (possibly with glass to support it) The aerogel acts like atmosphere, spreading the blue more than the red and green.

    To reproduce, method 3:

    Split the light with a prism, then put it back together without the blue. A couple custom plastic parts over a white LED should do the job. The blue is allowed to leak out the side, unfocused.

  74. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

    How can it be "your own choice" if you no longer have the option of the "classic lightbulbs"?

    How can it be "your choice" what to have for dessert if the gubmint won't allow you to have pot brownies?

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  75. Sun Night BoGo by jalspach · · Score: 1

    Not one mention of the BoGo lights? Sun Night Solar has been doing this for a long time.

    http://www.sunnightsolar.com/

    This plan even lets you get one for your self. I have not ordered yet but I still may.

    James

  76. Not impressed. by fluxnuk3r · · Score: 1

    I lived in Ghana for 5 years myself. I'm not sure why exactly we strive to turn every other country in to a hustling and bustling society where everything is impersonal and children grow up in broken homes. The more we impress our lifestyle on theirs, the more they will lose their own culture, and Ghana is one of the most modern West-African countries, they have already lost an appalling amount of culture and tradition to the western "movement".

  77. Rechargable batteries don't last that long... by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    In my experience, inexpensive rechargeable batteries tend to last about a year. If they start dumping these lights on Africans, the only results I can see would be:

    One is that they will become addicted--"Getting" to work later means someone will find a way to exploit that work, and it will become a way of life.

    If they are cheap and in plentiful supply, they will end up in landfills of otherwise mostly organic material--something that certainly can't be good for the environment (We don't dump our batteries in landfills any more, but we did for decades).

    Once they are addicted to this type of work, Phillips will have a steady income stream for a year or two until China figures out how to make and deliver them cheaper.

    Overall--I'm not sure I see the win.

  78. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by imajinarie · · Score: 1

    Why ban when you can profit? In America, we'll just raise taxes on whatever that product is, to incentify the reduction of use for the eventual greater common good. Cigarettes come to mind...

  79. Color Vision - Humans have _5_ colors by arete · · Score: 1

    Actually almost all people have 4 colors, and some have 5.

    RGB are the 3 you think of, and the exact wavelength moves around depending on the person. Many (men, usually) are RG colorblind - their R and G are very close together or identical. Many (women, usually - often mothers of the RG blind men - usually called tetrachromats) get a 5th receptor somewhere.

    But the _4th_ receptor that everyone has is basically ultraviolet. Most light in this spectrum is blocked by the fluid in our eyes, so we get very, very little of it. But it's why those deep violet LEDs look so neat - they're not in the 3 receptors we get the most use of.

    My 'usually' above might be 'always'; I can't remember.

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    1. Re:Color Vision - Humans have _5_ colors by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Do you happen to have a reference for that? I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

      The reason deep violet LEDs look cool is that they're stimulating almost exclusively your blue receptors. Your receptors are each sensitive to more or less the whole visible spectrum, but their peak sensitivity is in the particular colour band they're associated with. So normal blue lights stimulate the blue and, to a lesser degree, the green and red. The violet LEDs are high frequency and monochromatic so they selectively stimulate the blue receptors to a degree you normally don't see.

  80. recycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where do people "recycle" their worn out batteries?

  81. Re:God bless (no text) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a non-electrified society, even less is accomplished after dusk. Especially in the shorter winter months.

  82. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't it just tax them at a higher rate?

    As big a fan of CFLs as I am (my house lighting is 99% CFL), banning incandescents is stupid. What do you use in the oven? CFLs NOR LEDs can withstand the heat. (Then there is the dryer and freezer, although leds might do the job, CFLs won't fare well there).

    Not all incandescent lights are banned, there are exceptions for things like oven lights.

  83. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Chirs · · Score: 1

    BlueMax offers 94CRI CFLs. There are others.

  84. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or :-

    4 - Use halogens

    A spokesperson from Phillips mentioned this on the BBC's 'Breakfast' show a few weeks back in response to complaints from visually impaired people that the long(er) warm-up time and limited spectral range of fluorescent energy savers left them in the dark.

    And there's LEDs too.

  85. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by coastwalker · · Score: 1

    Actually sunlight is blue, the sun looks bluish in space. Its only because the blue frequencies are scattered across the sky that the sun looks yellow on the ground. Bizarre but true.

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  86. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I highly recommend not doing it that way. A flashlight mounted on the bike is illegal in some jurisdictions. There are legal requirements for light cones emitted by vehicle lights. An excellent choice is a B+M LUMOTEC IQ Fly senso plus.Powered by a hub dynamo, it uses a light sensor to switch on and off automatically, it stores some energy in a capacitor to keep the LED lit (with reduced intensity) at a stop and the cone of light is optimized for bike use. It's 60 EUR (ca. $75, incl. tax, excl. shipping). All legal reasons aside: Compare that to buying a good quality LED flashlight, a flashlight holder and batteries and having to charge the batteries every 2-3 hours of use. The B+M is well worth the money. The difference between that and a standard halogen bike light is like night and day. The top of the line product is the B+M LUMOTEC IQ Cyo R senso plus, but that's 50% more. (I am not associated in any way with B+M, just a very satisfied customer. The above links are to the manufacturer and not referral links.)

  87. Biased butter... phillips by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    People "did things in the evening" long before electric lights. And they didn't have to crank anything.

    The wife may disagree with you.

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  88. Bookfire by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "Most people in Africa don't have an abbundance of books, so why do they need a solar powered reading lamp in the tent? Especially if it's only going to attract bandits anyway. "

    An Epiphany just occurred to me. Something like the Kindle would be perfect for a third-world country.

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  89. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by anonymousmeatbag · · Score: 1

    I have modified this project to make bike light that uses single 1.5V battery, four white LEDs in the front light and one red LED in the black connected in series. It can work on 1.2V Ni-MH battery too, it is cheap and easy to build. I have used E core transformer form broken mobile phone charger instead of ferrite bead. The next version I'll build will use single Li-Ion cell and will have integrated recharger.

  90. "LEDs Lighting Up the African Darkness" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "LEDs Lighting Up the African Darkness"

    How racist..:O

  91. Not such a fire hazard by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    As a child I spent a lot of time in rural Africa using kerosene lamps etc. We just grew up knowing to be careful.

    They were plenty light to read by. So long as you are not trying to be wasteful (lighting your driveway or water features etc - which Africa tends to lack anyway) then low lighting is adequate.

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  92. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I don't think we are replacing them with fluorescent tubes, we have had those for long and most of my light-bulbs are already of that kind. I know where to get LED lights here to so .. Not that I would buy them at their current state since they suck but anyway.

    I think people should be allowed to choose themselves though, especially for those who need light with a good range of wavelengths. I have my TV on now even though I'm in another room, all light on, receiver probably on, and so on, people waste lots of electricity anyway, better learn us to try to save and turn things on we don't use/need and so on than banning specific items and believe that will solve everything.

    Especially when they are superior in some ways.

    I still want a light source with as natural light as possible though, but it's hard to find anything at a decent price. Feel free to suggest products.

  93. Other lamps by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1
    • Carbon arc
    • phosphorescent night-lights...lots of them
    • sodium arc lamps
    • mercury arc lamps
    • neon lamps
    • argon lamps

    and, if you want to get away from electricity, a gas mantle.

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  94. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it a blanket ban on incandescent bulbs? If the tungsten photonic lattice becomes practical (GE seems to be working on it), we could have good old glass-and-tungsten incandescent bulbs that are two to four times more efficient than they are now.

  95. Re:At the same time, European Union bans incandesc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard that Incandescent bulbs were useful in Canada to help reduce the consumption of electrical heating. Don't ask me the math for it. I suppose that it is something like net power = power (for light) - power (dissipated heat).