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Norwegian Broadcasting Sets Up Its Own Tracker

eirikso writes with an interesting story from Norway; the state broadcaster there has decided to put up some of its content on BitTorrent. "The tracker is based on the same OpenTracker software that the Pirate Bay has been using for the last couple of years. By using BitTorrent we can reach our audience with full quality, unencrypted media files. Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."

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  1. Umm... by Jurily · · Score: 5, Funny

    Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.

    Did I wake up in a wrong universe or something? People are actually thinking now?

    1. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. You are in the right universe.

      Just wait and see what happens to their control when they no longer want to provide something.

    2. Re:Umm... by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 5, Informative

      For their (our... it's the state that owns NRK) definition of control is defined on the website http://nrkbeta.no/the-nrkbeta-doctrine/ I think you will find that they have left "the old ways" and actually understand what the new reality is about.

    3. Re:Umm... by BronsCon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about an explanation of the translation, since it's already about as concise as it can be.

      Right now, people can get unencrypted, DRM-free, commercial-free files, which (will always) work anywhere, any time, for free.

      People can also get encrypted, DRM-laden, commercial-packed files which (might, if you're lucky) work on certified players, as long as the company that produced the DRM scheme stays in business top operate the DRM servers and the copyright owner doesn't decide to take the work off the market, for an artificially inflated, unfair market price.

      More people will pay for option one, if faced with the choice to do so, than will pay for option two.

      I know I'd pay more for what I'm getting for free now than I will ever pay for what's on store shelves today.

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    4. Re:Umm... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did I wake up in a wrong universe or something? People are actually thinking now?

      Right universe, wrong country. It's been known to happen these "3rd world countries" that don't have public education systems designed to beat individuality out of people, starting with a morning salute to the flag, and ending in a cease and desist order to the cries of "oh my precious imaginary property!"

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    5. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      People are actually thinking now?

      Yes, they are. But only in Norway. Sorry.

    6. Re:Umm... by poopdeville · · Score: 4, Informative

      Canada

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    7. Re:Umm... by JensLudolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right now, people can get unencrypted, DRM-free, commercial-free files, which (will always) work anywhere, any time, for free.

      It's already ad-free, it's tax-funded. IIRC the mandate they're operating under prohibits them from including ads (although they've found a loophole, so some of sports broadcasts are preceeded by "this programme is presented by "). All in all by doing this, they're providing a better service for me, the tax-payer.

    8. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Finland. Our national broadcasting company (YLE) doesn't use BitTorrent but that is just a minor issue. All the shows shown on YLE will be online (for free, no DRM and no country restrictions) the day after they are shown on TV.

    9. Re:Umm... by eltaco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The UK / BBC. Granted, it's not via torrents, but basically all their content is available via their page to watch online. These are restricted to certain regions though.
      Also on a side note, there's a torrent tracker which is dedicated to British TV. Rumours fly, that backroom deals (for instance not distributing content available on DVD) keeps them from legal trouble.

      also, I know that most german TV networks offer their content to watch online (though their TV imho, isn't worth watching).

      I admit, they're not torrenting their data and I don't know how easy it is to make a local copy (afaik the BBC requires you to use their own software iplayer). In the grand scheme of things it's quite a step forward though.

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    10. Re:Umm... by Cormophyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may also mean that they recognize that if they distribute high quality files on bittorrent with a lot of bandwidth behind it (and maybe release it before anyone else has a chance to) that they can eventually slide a quick commercial in there and people will choose their file because they'll have been getting it fast, reliably, and looking great.

    11. Re:Umm... by aliquis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would had been cool if they had choosen TPB instead of setting up their own tracker though, maybe they could had gotten a category of their own or something such.

      But it would be nice for the people behind TPB to say "well, see, at least NRK gets it .."

    12. Re:Umm... by tapanitarvainen · · Score: 4, Informative

      All the shows shown on YLE will be online (for free, no DRM and no country restrictions) the day after they are shown on TV.

      Not quite everything shown: only their own productions, not foreign stuff they have to buy rights for.

    13. Re:Umm... by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We American's don't salute the flag. We pledge allegiance to our flag and everything it represents - not just the nation itself, but its ideals.

      I refused to say the pledge in high school as I'm an Atheist and I object to the "Under God" bit. I stand out of respect, but I don't salute in any way nor do I say the pledge.

      My homeroom teacher was in the Air Force and she really didn't like me for that, especially since I said, "Thank you for your service to this wonderful country that allows me to express my dissent."

  2. Somebody catch me... by theGreater · · Score: 4, Funny

    Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.

    ... think I'm going to faint.

    1. Re:Somebody catch me... by eirikso · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course it can. It's out there. We know that. We're not talking COMPLETE control. That's not possible unless you lock down your content in a safe vault. But if you're the best provider people will come to your place to get it. Giving you better control. We're getting traffic FROM the pirate bay on the content that we have released as torrents. Because more people are seeding from our tracker. In general, people don't bother to redistribute as long as we provide unencrypted high quality files.

    2. Re:Somebody catch me... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if I want to download a TV show from this Norwegian channel, the first place I would look after knowing that they have good torrents is the website for this Norwegian channel, not TPB. They've finally realized that if they have decent torrents and don't try to control every tiny thing, they will gain lots of respect, viewers, and money.

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    3. Re:Somebody catch me... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As for the "Money" bit, you do realized this is a fully government funded organization don't you?

      Yes, but if I was a Norwegian citizen and they asked me to vote on something that would slightly raise taxes to pay for upgrades, new shows, etc, I might actually vote for it because the government in this case is actually using taxpayer money responsibly.

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    4. Re:Somebody catch me... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlike the US, TV in the rest of the world fulfills a lot of other purposes - apolitical news, documentaries, education, current affairs as well as entertainment shows that are too high-brow/niche for the commercial channels to bother with.

      Besides, it's not government-run, it's government funded; there's a difference. When TV is used to keep the populace informed, instead of just keeping the population stupified, it helps not to spend 30% of the runtime playing adverts.

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  3. Mind boggling outburst by Saffaya · · Score: 4, Informative

    of common sense:

    "We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files and if people want to fansub any of the episodes we're more than happy to let you do that. Please let us know in the comments and we'll link to your translations."

    Three cheers for the Norvegians !!!

    1. Re:Mind boggling outburst by EvilIdler · · Score: 3, Funny

      You won't cheer if anyone subs Pompel & Pilt! I tried, and had to go into therapy for three years after only finishing two of the six episodes.

  4. Hurray! by johsve · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Finally, after all the fuss with the swedish FRA law monitoring the traffic from Norway the norweigans finally got pissed and decided to fight back. I think I'll move to Norway, it seems to be a nice country.

  5. Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense by RabidMoose · · Score: 5, Informative
    And what's more (from TFA's FA):

    If you want control of your content you need to lock it down in a vault and never show it to anyone. We gave up control of our content the day we started broadcasting. For years our most popular content have been available on BitTorrent and on sites like YouTube anyway. DRM doesnâ(TM)t work. The only way to control your content is to be the best provider of it. If people want it on YouTube then you should publish it on YouTube or in a system that give the same experience. If people want it on BitTorrent then you should provide that. If you do it right people will come to your official publish point and you'll end up with more control.

  6. Re:War! by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will this mean war? Norway vs the EU! nay! against the whole world!

    They have a decent amount of oil & gas, which the EU and others desperately need.
    They also have healthy fish stocks, through fairly competent management of fisheries. The EU regularly howls of unfair competition in fish, as the EU has rapaciously plundered its own stocks, and continues overfishing at destructive levels.

    It's the EU that will cave in, not Norway. Disclaimer: I'm not Norwegian, but did visit there twice (1983 and 1998), and changed plane in Oslo a few times.

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  7. Translation by BronsCon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."

    Translated: More people will pay for what they can get for free than will pay for for less than they can get for free.

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    1. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More like:

      If it is just plain easier, and more reliable to get it from us in the way they want it, they will come to us instead of a 3rd party redistributor.

      (This means they will come to OUR site, and see OUR ads when they search our tracker.)

  8. Re:Is any material up right now? by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have a look at http://nrkbeta.no/

  9. Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used by thinktwo · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are using MP4 with H.264 video and AAC audio.

  10. I for one... by el3mentary · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hope that the BBC follows suite, it's the next logical step after iPlayer right?

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    1. Re:I for one... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look, I'm sorry but the BBC is just plain broken. They use region locking, complain about having to use cross-platform standards (because we all know there are no more than 6,000 Linux users in the entire UK right?), and all the while the citizens of the UK seem to think it is fine and dandy for their government to be taking their tax dollars and making shows that aren't in the public domain.

      The BBC basically shows how NOT to run a state-run TV channel.

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    2. Re:I for one... by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hah, I don't think you understand bureaucracy.

      The BBC have shovelled a HUGE quantity of money into iPlayer. That spending has to be justified, which means it will stay largely as it is for at least the next five years.

    3. Re:I for one... by nbannerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well to be fair, region locking makes sense.

      Why should I, as a UK TV licence payer, fund programs for other people to watch?

      Additionally, I believe that since the BBC co-producers shows with other broadcasters in other countries, the licensing agreements currently in place mean the BBC has to take steps to stop (for example) a co-Canadian produced drama appearing for free before it is shown in Canada.

      Oh, and the BBC is not a state-run tv channel. It is a public broadcaster, but aside from the BBC Trust (which is more advisory), Government input is limited. Indeed the BBC have a very long and strong history of taking the Government (be it Tory or Labour) to task.

      It should also be noted that there isn't a 'TV tax' in the UK. The TV licence is only payable if you actually own a TV capable of receiving BBC programming. Now whilst the licence system could use a bit of modernising, it isn't a blanket tax.

    4. Re:I for one... by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should I, as a UK TV licence payer, fund programs for other people to watch?

      Because it doesn't cost any more. If the entire world population were to turn on the BBC (and assuming these were physical TVs and not electronic so you can't add in the small cost of bandwidth) they could all receive it. Is it unfair? Yes, but I am of the opinion (note that I am not a UK citizen nor do I live in even a European nation), that if something doesn't require more money to keep it going, then why really charge for it or prevent others from using it? For example, for a road toll, by driving across it you create wear on the road that will eventually have to be paid to fix using the toll money. On the other hand, when I receive TV transmissions, it doesn't require any extra fees to keep it running.

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    5. Re:I for one... by blackest_k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually if you were in Europe if you pointed a dish at 28.2 East you would have access to bbc1 to 4 cbbc and cbeebies also itv1-4 channel 4 e4 more4 film4 and channel 5 all are broadcast in the clear with no encryption. The bbc does limit it's output on the Internet but presumably it has to pay for the bandwidth used. so bbc says yes to give away for free, no to paying to let you watch for free.

  11. The Pirate Bay retaliates.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly TPB should sue them, how the hell are they supposed to compete against a service that release their own content for free and in high quality, and that doesnt even have any advertising on their site?

  12. Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used by areusche · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which is an excellent codec for maximum compression vs quality. I like xvid like anything other guy, but when it comes to quality/size mp4 with h.264 is great.

  13. Re:Is any material up right now? by RabidMoose · · Score: 2, Informative

    RSS feed of their torrents: http://nl.nrk.no/torrent/deringenskulletru/deringenskulletru.rss
    It certainly seems to be available for anybody who's interested.

  14. Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To go slightly off-topic, I've had a lot more trouble with files distributed in the matroska format than I have with MPEG-4. For some reason there seem to be a lot more half-broken mkv files out there (as in, they'll sort of play but not quite right), even though I doubt this has anything to do with the container format itself it has kind of turned me off of mkv (not to mention that I have more hardware and software capable of playing mp4 than I have capable of playing mkv). Kind of reminds me of when 7zip showed up and a bunch of people started refusing to use any other format for compressing files, which just pissed everyone else off and then interest for the format declined.

    /Mikael

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  15. Re:War! by javilon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I don't know about EU, but USA can perform a "liberation war" on them, under some excuse like "terrorism and kiddie porn". Once they have flattened the country, they can set up a regime that will give their multinationals all rights on oil, gas and fishing. This will be as a compensation on the expenses incurred by the rebuilding effort and paying for deployment of the liberator's army.

    Then, after all is done and nicely set up, they can replace the president and blame everything on the previous one, without returning the people of the "liberated" country the rights to their own natural resources.

    It worked with Iraq.

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  16. Re:suddenoutbreakofcommonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not actually funded with tax-payer money, but each household have to pay a licence fee if they are in possession of a TV. So yes, there is in fact a 'check box' if you want to contribute to NRK or not.

    And by the way, the content has been available free of charge on their website for years, the only new thing here is that now they will also offer bittorrent as an alternative.

  17. Oblig: by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 2, Funny

    A moose once bit my sister...

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  18. Re:And now let's bitch about the CODEC used by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Coming from an AC I'm inclined to believe you're just a random troll, especially since my experience is hardly unique, and screaming "anecdote!" at the top of your lungs doesn't mean that my cellphone and other non-PC hardware magically gains the ability to play mkv files, not to mention that for some reason a lot of mkv files seem to be of rather questionable quality, although obviously this is not something that you can find peer-reviewed research about...

    /Mikael

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  19. It is all about being able to demand license fees by xiando · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Norsk Rikskringkasting (NRK) is financed through a "license" which they can by law charge everyone who owns a televison set or other equipment which is able to get TV broadcasts. c They have been trying to claim a whole range of ludicrous things in order to demand license fees from more people than those who are listed as TV owners in their database for years.

    NRK actually tried to claim that everyone who owns a telephone also has a television and asked for permission to demand that everyone registered with a telephone pays the TV license. They were, luckily, denied when they tried that one. Now they are trying to claim that everyone who owns a computer can view their content and should pay a television license.

    NRK setting up a BitTorrent tracker does look like a good thing - at first glance. But do not get fooled: This is all about getting a new Norwegian law which would say that everyone who owns computer technology must pay NRK a yearly fee. It is that simple. This is all about the money. That they use BitTorrent is in itself a good thing. Their motives are absolutely not.