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brothke writes "The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America is the third of James Bamford's trilogy. Bamford started this with The Puzzle Palace in 1982 and Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency in 2001. The Shadow Factory is likely the last book Bamford will find the NSA cooperative to, given his often harsh treatment of the agency and its directors. It is also doubtful that former NSA Director Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden will grant Bamford additional dinner invitations, given his portrayal of Hayden as a weakling who could not stand up to Dick Cheney and other in the Bush administration." Read below for the rest of Ben's review. The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America author James Bamford pages 416 publisher Doubleday rating When sticking to facts: 9. When digressing: 2 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 0385521324 summary Good overview of the NSA post-9/11, but some of the author's biases get in the way The book can be summed up with two basic themes: The top management of the NSA and CIA has not made the fundamental changes needed post 9/11, as the politicking and inter-agency squabbles are seemingly alive and well. Bamford's other premise continues to be his contempt towards Israel.

Often bands produce abysmal releases in order to fulfill contractual requirements. In some ways, The Shadow Factory is reminiscent of that; at almost half the size of Body of Secrets, and 2/3 the size of The Puzzle Palace. When the book sticks to the facts and avoids conspiracy theories, it is a fascinating read.

If nothing else, Bamford knows how to turn often mundane aspects of wiretapping and supercomputers into a gripping read. Divided into five interwoven sections, the book starts out with a fascinating account of how two of the 9/11 hijackers lived the American dream, all the while planning their devious acts. Had there been some semblance of interagency cooperation and shared databases, Khalid Al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi would have been identified in seconds.

Not only that, in the book, Bamford writes that many of the 9/11 terrorists set-up shop within miles of the NSA headquarters in Maryland, communicated with their counterparts in the Middle East, at the same time the NSA was searching the world over for them. Bamford makes the NSA seem like the keystone cops searching for these terrorists, while they were literally a par 5 away.

A number of the chapters details the Bush administration forays into its illegal wiretapping adventures and how Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andrew Card manipulated a sick and barely lucid Attorney General John Ashcroft into signing on to the program.

It has long been known that Bamford has no love lost for Israel. His previous books have incorrectly written of the details around Israel's attack of the Liberty, a US Navy technical research ship, which was sailing in the Mediterranean Sea during the Six-Day War.

The book details how Israeli high-tech data mining and surveillance companies such as Comverse, Verint, NICE and more have become indispensable to the US intelligence community. Bamford asserts that the vast majority of surveillance of telephone transmissions are done via technology from Israeli companies. He then makes the jump that the American intelligence community is placing itself as risk and that the Israeli companies will access this same information.

Such conspiracy theories are tired and old. For the longest time, there were claims that every Check Point FireWall-1 had a backdoor which the Mosad could tap into. Some years ago, the NSA even sent out a memo denying that fact, as it was getting in the way of firewall deployments at the agency.

As to Bamford's assertion of Israeli control of American intelligence, it makes great fodder for the conspiracy theory community, but lacks any sort of real evidence. What Bamford does is show that many of the founders of these companies are graduates of programs from the Israeli military, served in the same intelligence corps unit and therefore, guilty by some sort of association.

Irrespective of Bamford's deep hostility towards Israel, there is not the slightest indication that the American intelligence community was forced to purchase these Israeli products. They purchased these due to their superior capabilities produced by one of its closest allies. What Bamford fails to mention, is that Israeli and US intelligence groups have a long history of mutual cooperation. Much of the US success in its war against terror and monitoring of Iran are only due to help from Israel.

If the Shadow Factory is meant to be a critique of the NSA, then Bamford's unsubstantiated allegations about Israel and the Mosad show the agency to be a bastion of utter incompetency. Irrespective of problems with management at the NSA, it is utterly incredulous that the Mosad could single-handedly undermine the entire US intelligence effort, filling it with back doors and secret agents.

Bamford seems to be confused on his approach to the NSA. On one side, the NSA are the smartest guys in the room, successfully, surreptitiously and often illegally monitoring nearly every telephone call on the planet. They push supercomputers to the envelope and optimize ever CPU cycle. Yet simultaneously, these smart guys are simply pawns of a small group of Israeli intelligence agents who have managed to develop and get their software on various NSA projects.

In his review of the book in the New York Times, Christopher Dickey sums it up best when he writes of Bamford's habit of such conspiracy theories that "it's a fair bet that Bamford will find a way to work the bloodbath at the Taj Mahal hotel into the long NSA narrative that he began with "The Puzzle Palace" in 1982, followed up with "Body of Secrets" in 2001, and may well continue with paperback updates and further sequels after the present book. These are the kinds of details, or coincidences, that Bamford loves. In "The Shadow Factory" he piles one on top of another — events, addresses, room numbers — in a slapped-together text that often blends facts with speculation to evoke a pervasive atmosphere of conspiracy".

When Bamford is able to stick to the facts, which is about 2/3 of the book, he paints a frightening picture of the threats that the US is facing. Equally frightening was the response of the Bush administrations to the threats and attacks, which in some cases turned mince meat out of the Constitution. Bamford writes of Dick Cheney's attempt to give the President significant more control, while ignoring the need for separation of powers. There are many other such instances in the book. Yet when Bamford takes off his hat of reason and attempts to connect invisible dots, Christopher Dickey's observation should be kept in mind.

Seemingly on the brink of failure, the events of 9/11 recycled the NSA. For the astute reader who is able to discern between fact and fiction, The Shadow Factory is a fascinating read into an agency that still exists in the shadows. With a budget larger than the GDP of some countries, and a workforce that spans the globe, the NSA has long existed and thrived in the shadows that Bamford often describes so well.

Ben Rothke is the author of Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should Know.

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  1. terrible review by vingilot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A review that tries to debunk the conspiracy theories set out in the book... pretty lame.

    1. Re:terrible review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is it lame?

      The book is not advertised as a set of badly researched lies, so it's up to the reviewer to let us know how it fares. Preferably before anyone who likes factual books wastes their money.

    2. Re:terrible review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reviewer is unabashedly pro-Israel (Zionist, probably), so excuse me if I take his criticism of Bramford's book with a huge grain of salt. Beside, there have been other members of the intelligence community that have gone on record criticizing the US reliance on Israeli intelligence in the Middle East, so it's hardly all conspiratorial mumbo-jumbo.

    3. Re:terrible review by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On one side, the NSA are the smartest guys in the room, successfully, surreptitiously and often illegally monitoring nearly every telephone call on the planet. They push supercomputers to the envelope and optimize ever CPU cycle. Yet simultaneously, these smart guys are simply pawns of a small group of Israeli intelligence agents who have managed to develop and get their software on various NSA projects.

      That's the problem with all conspiracy theories - you have to simultaneously portray the conspirators as both genius masterminds and utterly incompetent idiots. Conspiracy theorists are incapable of recognizing their own cognitive dissonance from embracing both viewpoints.

      I always find it amusing that the same brilliant government overlords who are supposedly micromanaging every detail of our lives can't seem to even get the mail delivered reliably, or a single branch of the government running efficiently, or even bother to cover up the most blatant evidence of their supposed plots.

    4. Re:terrible review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't get the impression that the reviewer was pro-Israel, merely that he was asking for some kind of evidence of the book's claims.

      Anyway, the last few huge failures of American intelligence have come from their arrogant ignoring of warnings from foreign intelligence agencies, and their refusal to share what little they do have.

      (See 119 disaster and political use of SIGINT to prevent Guantanamo revelations in the UK)

    5. Re:terrible review by sleigher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the spirit of embracing both viewpoints, have you considered that a lack of efficiency in government is no mistake? One could speculate that the government is as it is simply to ensure their own success. Not saying I think this, but it is the other side of your argument I suppose.

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    6. Re:terrible review by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always find it amusing that the same brilliant government overlords who are supposedly micromanaging every detail of our lives can't seem to even get the mail delivered reliably, or a single branch of the government running efficiently, or even bother to cover up the most blatant evidence of their supposed plots.

      They just do that to make you think they are incompetent. Otherwise we'd figure out the truth about 9/11 (Israeli cruise missiles), the JFK assassination (Vice President Johnson) and TWA Flight 800 (shot down by the US Navy).

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    7. Re:terrible review by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      The reviewer seems to have a "make Israel look good" agenda. I've read the book, and didn't get the impression that it was anti-Israel. In the book, Israel is a minor side issue.

      NSA did have serious problems, the most serious being irrelevancy. NSA was set up to deal with the USSR, a large, slow-moving opponent. NSA's expertise classically was in radio interception and cryptanalysis, with the main target being the USSR's military and intelligence operations. After the USSR went down, the NSA downsized. Running a vast effort to obtain basic information about what the Soviet Union was doing was no longer necessary. You could go to Murmansk and look at the nuclear submarines.

      NSA's approach wasn't that helpful in dealing with small-scale non-state actors, which was the problem after 9/11. There were frantic efforts to repurpose NSA, which are well-covered in the book. These efforts were driven by the Cheney crowd, who were more concerned about accumulating power than actually dealing with real terrorists. That's well-covered too.

    8. Re:terrible review by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's a numbers game for you: the reviewer stated that 2/3 of the book was composed of facts, yet 3/4 of his review is dedicated to slamming the book for its "anti-Israel conspiracy theories".

    9. Re:terrible review by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's the problem with all conspiracy theories - you have to simultaneously portray the conspirators as both genius masterminds and utterly incompetent idiots.

      Why would that be a problem? Most people are smart in some things, and stupid in others, or very smart when it comes to ideas and planning but not execution, or vice versa. People have varying capabilities, some of these conspiracies would touch a great many such capabalities, so why is it surprising that they would succeed in some aspects, and fail at others? Not to mention even a tightly knit conspiracy depends on multiple people who, again, could be smart in some ways and not so smart in others.

      It's only in the movies where the super-genius villain is so smart and capable that their plans never foul up outside of when the hero specifically steps in and spoils them. In the real world, Nixon succeeded in spying on his political opponents for a long time, until his agents happened to get caught breaking into the DNC office. Reagan kept his arms-for-hostages deal tightly under wraps, but wasn't counting on a leak from the receiving end. The NSA deployed and successfully kept their warrantless wiretapping program a secret for years, but they couldn't stop the FBI from accidentally handing transcripts of recorded calls to the party who had been tapped. Bush, Cheney, and Rove played the American people like a finely tuned piano to convince us to go to war, but then demonstrated an utter lack of ability to prosecute said war.

      So, like, how could they be both smart and stupid at the same time? Is that really the question being asked here? The answer is "because they're human", but that hasn't stopped real conspiracies from existing and succeeding for quite some time in the past, so why would it today? Conspiracies don't just exist in the movies, so movie stereotypes don't apply.

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    10. Re:terrible review by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hah! Show's what you know. JFK was assassinated by a cruise missile being remotely piloted by Oswald on board TWA Flight 800 piloted by Johnson while on the way to Israel to pick up the Ark of the Covenant from the Illuminati. Don't you see?! The pieces all fit!

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    11. Re:terrible review by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, yes. Us Jew types tend to get a little worried about anything that can fuel the conspiracy theories. You'd understand if you'd been the scapegoat and target of the world's hatred for a couple of millenia also.

      Personally I agree with tjstork's comment below. We really don't have the slightest idea what the fuck the NSA does.

    12. Re:terrible review by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anonymous Coward, usually a Digger who wandered onto Slashdot and decided to start a fight.

    13. Re:terrible review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Air Conditioning

    14. Re:terrible review by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is it possible to criticize the state of Israel and actions taken by the government and/or military, without being considered Anti-Semitic?

      Yes, provided that the criticism is:

      A) directed at Israel rather than at Jews.
      B) Not just an old, known anti-Semitic canard or idea with "Zionists" or "Israel" substituted for "the Jews".
      C) the criticism is falsifiable and based on well-sourced facts.

      Unfortunately many modern anti-Semites claim to be merely criticizing Israel as a cover. You can recognize them by their failure to meet criteria (B) and (C). Everyone else, however, can criticize away.

  2. All this stuff is just made up crap. by tjstork · · Score: 3, Informative

    I mean, really, on either side of the aisle. WE have no idea what the NSA is doing and never will.

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    1. Re:All this stuff is just made up crap. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, we know some of what the NSA is doing, because some of it is not SECRET or TOP SECRET. For example, the NSA publishes recommendations for computer security, and together with NIST certifies products that comply with those recommendations. The NSA also evaluates cryptographic algorithms and hardware, and CPU enhancements that may have cryptographic uses (for example, when HP was working on a CPU instruction set that included a bitwise permutation operation, some NSA agents showed up). Some of the evaluation techniques are secret, but the fact that the NSA is doing this is well known.

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    2. Re:All this stuff is just made up crap. by thedonger · · Score: 3, Funny

      WE have no idea what the NSA is doing and never will.

      I'll give you a hint. Watch "Enemy of the State." Not that.

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  3. interview by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was a very interesting interview with Bamford a few weeks ago.

  4. Re:how about a tech thread jack by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure, I'd like to hear the pros and cons concerning the NSA's new [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]. I have heard from sources close to the inside that it can [xxxxxxxxxxxx] a single [xxxxxxxxxxx] at the packet level without having to [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx].

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  5. Bamford - USS Liberty by alfredo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bamford's account on the USS Liberty murders was right on the money. I'm a veteran of the "Green NSA", the Army Security Agency. I was on duty on that fateful day in 1967. I was at the east African station he mentioned. I'm glad he debunked the "mistaken identity" lies about the murderous attack on our sailors. He was also right about our government siding with the Israelis time and time again when we tried to get justice for our heros. They even called off rescue efforts when they found the attackers were Israeli.

    After having to hold in my anger and hurt for 30 years, it was wonderful to find someone on our side. Thank you Mr Bamford.

    Don't get me wrong, I do believe in standing with Israel, but they got to return the favor. Friendships should be a two way street. Israel, stand up and take responsibility for your actions against the USS Liberty. We do believe in forgiveness. Trust us.

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    1. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never known what to believe regarding the Liberty incident. The one question I've never heard answered though is what motive would the Israeli's have for attacking an American ship? What would they stand to gain from doing so?

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    2. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by alfredo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The USS Liberty was a spy ship. Israel was doing some things they didn't want anyone else to know. They tried to sink the ship and destroy all lifeboats. They wanted no witnesses. There are suggestions that they feared the USS Liberty had intercepted info that could have exposed Israel to war crime charges. The whole story will come out someday.

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    3. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are suggestions that they feared the USS Liberty had intercepted info that could have exposed Israel to war crime charges. The whole story will come out someday.

      Even if that's true it still begs two questions:

      1) Why would the Israeli's sink an American ship when they could just ask the American Government to keep secret whatever the Liberty intercepted? They trust us enough not to retaliate when they kill our servicemen but not enough to keep a secret?
      2) How would sinking the Liberty keep such information a secret anyway? The Liberty was presumably in constant communications with her base. How could the Israeli's know that whatever information she had hadn't already been communicated?

      I still find the conspiracy theories hard to swallow......

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    4. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by alfredo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      1. That would mean telling the very people they wanted to keep in the dark.

      2. Not sure if I can address every concern because that gets into methods. The first thing the Israelis did was cripple communications. The first torpedo hit the com center killing all within. It took a while to get an SOS out.

      They even shot down our Flag, but our sailors risked their lives to run up a new, even larger American flag. they knew it was an American ship. It was clearly market, the weather clear. Our sailors were sun bathing on deck and waved and cheered the Israeli pilots circling the ship. They had no idea of what was coming.

      Two Israeli pilots refused to fire on Americans and were punished. They were the only ones disciplined. Because of that, it would be very difficult for the government to pretend they didn't know it was an American ship.

      The Captain of the Liberty was given the CMOH, but the ceremony was done at a hanger, not the White House because of protests from the Israeli government.

      My anger is at the Israeli government, not the Israeli people.

        Our government should have stood by our sailors. Our government acted cowardly. What a great disappointment.

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    5. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by krou · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was my understanding that the attack on the USS Liberty was done in order to further thicken the fog of war (1967 War), not to make anything secret. It was meant to stop the super-powers from knowing what was going on (the Liberty was conducting intelligence operations). The main aim was to prevent (or at least forestall) any pressure for a cease-fire before Israel were able to seize the land they needed, namely the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. (See US Naval Institute Proceedings, June 1978).

      It is incorrect to label this as a conspiracy theory. The only thing really missing is substantiation of the reason behind the attack. It was clearly not an accident. Furthermore, Israeli attacks on its allies have been documented before e.g. the Lavon Affair.

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    6. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Israeli's are right wingers

      -1, drastic oversimplification and inaccurate statement

      Right winger's don't need reasons, or logic, and they don't use much of them either.

      -1, political bias

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    7. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you considered that your sort of "They're Israelis, they don't need motives, they just act out of blind malice like the Joker" reasoning is exactly why people on my political side of this sort of thing worry about even the slightest fuel for anti-Israel conspiracy theories?

    8. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A little. But I will still point out that Israel, as a nation, has become extremely right wing over the years, and this explains a lot of the country's actions. In fact, I think the greatest tragedy of Israel is just how right wing it has become, being a nation of Jewish immigrants. If you look at the history of socialist movements throughout the western world, you will almost invariably find a prominent Jewish name; So it is sad to see a country so far to the right as Israel presented as the premiere Jewish state.

      So I will refer to as a right wing state, as that is what it has become. And moreover I will say that the irrational and unreasonable national mindset resulting from becoming so right wing is the single greatest threat to the continued existence of Israel, so people are probably doing the country a favor by pointing it out.

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    9. Re:Bamford - USS Liberty by alfredo · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was not a mistake. Israeli planes were flying over the Liberty for hours before the attack. Our flag and ID were plain to see. Our sailors were cheering and waving to the pilots as they flew over. They knew the ship because it had been sailing those waters for years. The ship was in international waters, cruising slowly clearly marked and not acting in an an aggressive manner.

      I worked morse intercept, and was stationed nearby. Everybody on duty that day knows the truth, we heard it in real time.

      Some quotes, and a link to the profiles of the Liberty and the horse carrier Israel claimed was the ship they though it was.

          "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "
                          -- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

                      "...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
                          -- CIA Director Richard Helms

        "I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
                          -- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby

          "Those sailors who were wounded, who were eyewitnesses, have not been heard from by the American public. . . [Their story] leaves no doubt but what this was a premeditated, carefully reconnoitered attack by Israeli aircraft against our ship."
                          -- US Senator Adlai Stevenson III in interview with Wm. J. Small, UPI, for publication September 28, 1980

      Details of the murders was classified for 30 years. For thirty years all of us that knew the truth were not allowed to say anything about the USS Liberty.

      Pilots are trained to tell the difference between ships, just as they are trained to recognize profiles of planes. They know the profiles well. The Israeli pilots were close enough to see our sailors waving to them.

      Here's the profiles of the two ships.

      http://www.ussliberty.org/g/libertyquseircompared.jpg

      It was premeditated murder.

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  6. Incorrect? by Samschnooks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has long been known that Bamford has no love lost for Israel. His previous books have incorrectly written of the details around Israel's attack of the Liberty, a US Navy technical research ship, which was sailing in the Mediterranean Sea during the Six-Day War.

    Could an example his incorrect details be supplied?

    And what about it? An Israeli jet fired upon a ship flying an American flag and killed a bunch of Americans. There's no excuse.

    I just don't get American foreign affairs, I guess.

  7. The Mossad & NSA denied it? by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    For the longest time, there were claims that every Check Point FireWall-1 had a backdoor which the Mosad could tap into. Some years ago, the NSA even sent out a memo denying that fact, as it was getting in the way of firewall deployments at the agency.

    They sent out a memo? Well consider that one debunked.

    1. Re:The Mossad & NSA denied it? by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not debunked until Savage and Hyneman blow something up. In this case, a scale model of the Liberty.

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  8. Limits of Power by Bacevich by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you're interested in this type of book, you might want to check out the Limits of Power by Andrew Bacevich. Bacevich discusses the immense cost of the entire national security apparatus, and how most of the money spent on it goes to increasing the power and prestige of the individual services (NSA, CIA, FBI) and very little goes to actually protecting the American people.

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  9. The reviewer - is he Mossad? by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    His defense of Israel is so vigorous I find myself wondering - is the reviewer himself on the Mossad's payroll? Was he sent here to cultivate sympathy for Israel amongst the world's intellectual elite (slashdot)?

    1. Re:The reviewer - is he Mossad? by FenwayFrank · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the world's intellectual elite (slashdot)?

      Man, we _are_ in trouble!

  10. interesting data points by ekimminau · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know about Masad backdoors into Checkpoint firewalls, but the RAIN protocol http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=00910866 is the method used to build Checkpoint HA clusters. Another intersting point is that Narus, a company founded by an Israeli, created technology that has been used to gather intelligence on the backbones of some of the largest ISP's in the world. The AT&T traffic sniffing snafu of a few years ago was accomplished using Narus devices.

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  11. NOVA Documentary by Jonny_eh · · Score: 3, Informative

    I haven't read the book yet, but I highly recommend the PBS NOVA documentary based on it:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/spyfactory/

  12. Re:how about a tech thread jack by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Note to mods: Please reread Slightly Askew's post with "x" to represent a redacted item, not a porn film.

    It's funnier that way.

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  13. Conspiracies do happen. by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a good list at the end of the wikipedia article on "proven" conspiracies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

    Governments are made of people. who are capable of brilliant maneuvers and colossal fuckups. If you read about Operation AJAX, you'll discover that fewer than 100 people overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s. This was due to their access to american political influence and funding from the CIA. Similarly, you can read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, and learn how a handful of dogmatic lawyers, with no qualifying experience in Islamic terrorism, international law, or even basic politics were able to dictate our policies on torture for 7 years. The thing with concentrations of power, outside of public view, is that it will lead to conspiracy, unless you believe that people don't act in their own interest. They absolutely do, and those in power are no different.

    In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, the FBI denied that they were targeting civil rights political leaders for assassination, but the revelation provided by the COINTELPRO documents provided proof that they not only did that, but actively infiltrated and subverted any organization thought to pose a threat to the existing "social order" of the United States. The CIA are the world leaders in terrorist planning, conducting operations from Latin America, to Africa, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia. Lots of secret organizations do lots of bad things, and those are just the "known" groups in the United States. Consider countries like China and Russia and the Middle East, and I'm sure you can give yourself a nightmare without much imagination.

    To paraphrase Baudelaire, the greatest trick the conspirators have ever pulled is convincing the public that they don't exist.

  14. Conspiracy Theory? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The book details how Israeli high-tech data mining and surveillance companies such as Comverse, Verint, NICE and more have become indispensable to the US intelligence community. Bamford asserts that the vast majority of surveillance of telephone transmissions are done via technology from Israeli companies. He then makes the jump that the American intelligence community is placing itself as risk and that the Israeli companies will access this same information.

    Such conspiracy theories are tired and old.

    As a reasonable, skeptical individual, I would personally be completely shocked to find out that absolutely none of this data was being passed on to Israeli security forces. At the very least, I would expect that Israeli intelligence has in some fashion managed to get access to information it needs through at least one of these companies. It would beggar belief that an organisation like Mossad had not availed itself of such an opportunity.

    Frankly, in the times we live in, I would expect that all of these companies along with every other subcontractor, has already creamed off useful statistics and data and sold them to banks, credit agencies and marketers. This in fact would bother me more than data being passed to competent intelligence outfits, would would at least misuse it in a security conscious way.

    This data is in some fashion being passed on to the Israeli security forces. It is in no way a conspiracy theory to suggest this, and any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion. Whether the American intelligence community is placing itself at risk by outsourcing like this is another matter.

    Frankly, from the tone of the book, the American intelligence community appears to be a contradiction in terms.

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  15. Biased review. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A quick perusal if the reviewers website shows his pro Israel bias quite clearly, he "Ran for Israel" in a marathon for example.