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Developers Looking to Set Up Alternatives To Apple's App Store
TechDirt is reporting that in response to the frustrations with Apple's app store dictatorship, a few developers are looking to set up their own alternative app stores. Alternate app stores would only work on jailbroken phones, making their adoption scope limited, so the question is whether Apple will go after these start ups on the legal battlefield. "Apple, which collects a 30% commission from sellers on its store, doesn't break out the site's revenue. Brokerage firm Piper Jaffray estimates the site generated about $150 million in sales last year and projects total sales will grow to $800 million this year. Apple did not respond to requests for comment. But it has said in the past that with the iPhone it was trying to strike a balance between a closed device like the iPod and an open device like the PC."
Well, of course Apple will go after them. They don't have a history of laying down.
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Surely a case could be made against Apple's anti-competitive behaviour?
In Australia, what Apple is doing is against the law, under our anti-third-line forcing legislation.
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"the iPhone ... was trying to strike a balance between a closed device like the iPod and an open device like the PC"
The correct "balance" between open and closed is *open*.
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How does creating a device tied to your store not meet the definition of an unfair monopoly?
Apple has a good product with a popular app store, and attempts to over control both. This is only going to inhibit the growth of the app store. If Apple allowed jail broken phones to use the app store, apple would make more money, the developers would be happier, and most importantly the users would be happier.
What part of "I'm carrying a unique serial number that's pinging its current GPS location to AT&T and Apple every few seconds" do you not understand? You break their contract, maybe they start going through your photos, call logs and other private information...
How do you know that won't happen either way?
I can't find a real moderation for this, so I'll settle for a virtual moderation of "-1 Huh?"
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/iphone_app_usage_drops_off
Yeah, I stopped using the 'Dial Phone Numbers and Talk' application like two days after getting it.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
"If Apple allowed jail broken phones to use the app store..." They do - I frequent the Apple App Store and Cydia on my jailbroken iPhone 3G. The issue is about developers being able to sell apps that aren't permitted on the Apple App Store because they use undocumented APIs, compete with Apple apps, etc...
I'm working on a GWT framework for the iphone that will allow you to write a web application that looks and behaves just look a native application. A web app can get surprisingly close to being indistinguishable for native thanks to a few features in MobileSafari like:
1) Offline application support
2) Hardware-accelerated animations
3) Chrome-less UI
4) Custom application icon
Since it is a web app you avoid the stranglehold of the app store and the LONG processing time of applications (I know, I have applied and been accepted). You also get the freedom to update your app immediately at any time without needing apple's approval.
You break their contract, maybe they start going through your photos, call logs and other private information...
Well, this is AT&T we are talking about who illegally assisted the NSA with warrant-less wiretaps... So I imagine that they don't care how your contract status is, they might be doing it right now, all in the name of fighting "terrorists".
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eBay was not the only online auction system on the Internet
While this is true, there's a much stronger argument that eBay has monopoly-like market power when it comes to online auctions than exists for the iPhone.
If you want a phone or PDA or convergence device, there's nothing about the *market* that would compel you to buy an iPhone. If you need to auction something online, there are definitely pretty powerful market reasons to go for eBay. It doesn't really matter much if Apple suddenly forbids all third-party apps of any kind and changes all their phones so you have to shake them in order to dial or something equally silly. There's enough competition that the market will route away from their products soon enough. eBay... not so much.
There's really only one place Apple's had anything close to monopoly power, and that's if you wanted to buy or sell music online, which is why you heard labels complaining a few years ago when they realized the DRM they'd insisted on was accidentally giving Apple tremendous power as a retailer. Given that the barrier to entry into the online music marketplace is actually pretty low (dealing with the labels over ownership issues is probably the most difficult part) that's not even a particularly strong complaint.
Apple's desire for control is sometimes a major pain, but it's not a monopoly.
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This is old news -- Cydia and associated apps have been available on jailbroken iPhones for at least a couple of years now! The most awesome apps I downloaded through Cydia and its Installer App were the BSD Subsystem, OpenSSH Server (0_o!), and Terminal! With those three in hand, the iPhone became just another node on my network, capable of scripted rsync backups and other automated shell customizations! I think that the realization that the iPhone is a fully functional handheld machine is the primary knowledge that Apple seeks to keep out of the hands/heads of the general public. Perhaps the goal is to sell more Macs... or maybe the goal is to soon "open up" the platform to all developers/apps and topple the monopolistic/racketeering practices of phone cos and rival closed-platform phone/handheld manufacturers, similar to what they did with iTunes and DRM? One can only hope...
;-)
but in the meantime, one can just jailbreak the iPhone
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In US law, for any company to be a monopoly, it has to be the only player in the market, or have a dominant market share in the US market. Microsoft owns 90% of the desktop operating system market. That's a monopoly. Apple isn't even the #1 phone manufacturer in the US yet. It's getting there, but not yet. It's far from dominant in the cell phone industry.
If you are a monopoly, you can't "bundle" basically, because that means you are using your leverage in one market to take advantage of another. If you aren't a monopoly, then it's up to the market to decide if the bundle you created is a buoy for greater sales, or an anchor that sinks you to the bottom. Microsoft has tied IE to it's OS. It used it's OS dominance to edge out Netscape and not allow anyone to preinstall it on PCs, and edge AOL off PC desktops in preinstalls and forced them to put MSN installs on them instead. That's anticompetitive, because AOL and netscape (no matter how they sucked at the time) could not compete by going to a PC manufacture and offering a better deal. That's not the sole reason for their collapse, but by denying consumers choice, you damaged both these company's businesses.
There are no US laws that explicitly state that bundling is across the board illegal. There are no US laws that state bundling itself is a monopoly practice. There are laws that state bundling is illegal for true monopolies. Once you lesser Slashdot peons who don't understand antitrust law get that thru your thick heads, the sooner the elite of this site will allow you to join our ranks, and be allowed to use the abbreviation /.er and be cool like us ;)
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If they are really complaining about the 30% that apple is charging they they are just being greedy.
As I read TFA they're not complaining about Apple's cut. They're complaining about the process of becoming a developer and releasing products being slowed to a crawl and/or stonewalled entirely by Apple's bureaucracy.
Apple's cut has been mentioned mainly as the likely downside for itself of Apple's intransigence and a motivation for Apple to go after the alternative distributor(s) in the courts and otherwise.
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One has to ask what the market sector is here since it is inconvenient for both developers and users. And it seems to me it is, perhaps obviously, only going to be people who have to have contracts with companies that don't use iphones.
That is to say, as a user there is the problem that I can't update my iphone easily. Each time I try there's a high likelihood my jailbreak will bust. And it's also possible my non-apple approved applications will also break. So there's no assured path forward when there is a pressing need to update the phone comes along. even trivial issues could become strong motivations to update: for example perhaps I need a new verison of quiktime to view some new content I want to see.
And for developers. Well why bother when there is the android market beckoning. Surely that market is going to swamp the jailbroken iphone market shortly.
So my feeling is that this ecosystem is going to shrink not grow with time as android takes over and apple issues enough annoying needful updates.
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"Apple will destroy them financially by tying everything up in court."
Now imagine if they took those resources and used them to get in front of the developer requests for iPhone/iPod. They would build a better system for developers and users and would easily win competing on the merits of what they sell rather than an attempt to stifle what I think is legitimate competition.
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