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What Has Fox Got Against Its Own Sci-Fi Shows?

brumgrunt writes "Dollhouse. The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Fringe. Three science fiction shows that Fox commissioned, put on the air, and — in the case of at least one of them — has won rave reviews. But why does it seem that Fox is trying to kill some of its own shows with crazy scheduling decisions? How can Fringe survive after being pulled for two months, and what hope is there for Sarah Connor and Dollhouse on a Friday night?"

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  1. Nothing... by routerl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tivo recording numbers is why they would do this. I've recently read an article about this, and it is clearly a good decision. Shows like Sarah Connor Chronicles (bleh) have small but dedicated followings, and the Tivo recording numbers (also kept and recording by Nielsen) are considerably higher than live-showing numbers. Hence, schedule is irrelevant, since the people who watch these shows will continue watching them regardless of the schedule.

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  2. Friday isn't all that bad by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Informative

    Friday isn't all that bad for Sci-Fi. The longest running sci-fi show in history, Stargate:SG1, spent most of it's life (if not all) on Friday nights. It's spinoff, Stargate Atlantis, also resided on Friday night as well.

    1. Re:Friday isn't all that bad by ericlj · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's that Battlestar Something-or-other show that some people watch, too.

      Sad to say, but if a show doesn't get ratings, it's because people aren't watching it.

    2. Re:Friday isn't all that bad by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Informative

      And just to clarify, that should be longest running US-based Sci-Fi show in history. Dr. Who has the world record.

    3. Re:Friday isn't all that bad by Neil+Jansen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stargate SG-1 was shot in Canada, you insensitive clod!

  3. Re: Firefly by brufar · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really enjoyed the firefly series after purchasing it on DVD, and watching the episodes in order. FOX seemed to do everything in their power to kill this show..

    1. Friday night scheduling.
    2. Airing the episodes out of order.. I mean HELLO ?? The order was 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 1; with 11 â" 13 unaired

    The wikipedia entry for Firefly contains more detailed criticism of Fox for their treatment of this series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Firefly_episodes

    Fox is definitely the last place you want to try out a new series. It's hard to start watching a new series on their network, knowing their track record for killing off anything that might be halfway decent.. Why bother getting interested in a show that won't be around tomorrow ?

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  4. Re:And Futurama by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those 5 o'clock Simpsons episodes were programmed by your local station (which may have been a Fox station), not by Fox.

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  5. Re:And Futurama by Spazztastic · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fact that so many great shows have been canceled on Fox over the years and yet MadTV somehow KEEPS GOING ON AND ON FOR SOME INEXPLICABLE REASON was what finally turned me into an atheist.

    Good news, Everyone! I just found out that they were announced to be canceled in November 2008.

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  6. Re:And Futurama by bbk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Btw, Mad TV just got canceled:

    http://www.variety.com/VR1117995723.html

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  7. Re:DVR by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's due to a fundamental difference in the nature of soccer and the more popular American sports. When I watch English Premier League I know that there will probably be 10 minutes of stoppage time or so at the most. If it is a draw - that's the end.
     
    Soccer only allows for a very limited set of conditions that actually stop the game clock. (I know it is tacked on at the end - but same difference.) American sports that are timed have a number of variables that can greatly affect the amount of time. Baseball and basketball both allow for practically endless games even in the regular season. Football and Hockey do the same once they move to playoffs.
     
    To my knowledge there is no equivalent in soccer. There may be a small amount of stoppage time and things either end in a draw or a shoot-out. I think these differences make it a little tougher. That said, the vast majority of the time, one can pretty much count on an American sporting event fitting into a 3 hour window. Soccer is usually two right? I've got young kids so they are all too long for me to usually check out for an entire game of anything.

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  8. Re:Duh, what's new? They're Fox by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is funny, because that was the joke. That script is from when Family Guy went back on the air.

  9. DVR is _not_ the answer by oneiros27 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tivo is horrible at managing conflicting shows. You have to go in and manually handle every last little detail or you end up with:

    • I've recorded a re-run of a show for you, rather than the first-run show that you entered after other one. I never mentioned the conflict because they didn't when you first entered them.
    • That show you like switched time slots, and rather than recording the broadcast show at 9pm, and the cable show at the 1am west-coast showing, I decided to record the cable show and drop the broadcast show entirely. Of course, you won't realize that I did this until weeks later.
    • We're going to run Lost over by 2 minutes this season, just to make sure that people with DVRs don't get to see the ending!
    • As you've learned that you can set your DVR over by two minutes, we've decided to show two Lost episodes back to back so it'll refuse to record the second episode because of a scheduling conflict by two minutes. (okay, Tivo fixed this one, I admit)

    And my all time favorite, for which there's no solution other than telling it a set channel and time:

    • I've decided to record a half hour of dead air, because I recorded channel 979 rather than 22, even though you've already told me you don't actually have channel 979 (WMPT, a PBS station, I think.)

    And I have no plans on switching to a multi-tuner DVR, as I'd have to give up my DVD burning capabilities. I've thought about switching from satellite just so I didn't get told every other day that some channel has moved, but I'm not willing to give my money to Verizon or Comcast after incidents in the past.

    And I particularly hate Fox for their Futurama timeslot that resulted in my recording 20 minutes of a sports game week after week, but the Friday timeslot isn't the kiss of death -- if I remember correctly, that's where X-Files was, 12 years ago.

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  10. Here's the original script which was cut. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Informative

    For some reason which has not been well explained imo, (the official FOX claim is that Joss chose to make the changes), the original episode he created was axed at the last moment and was cobbled together with new material to completely alter things and stretch the material over several episodes.

    This was a pretty huge blow.

    I hunted around and found a copy of the script for the original first episode, and I thought is was very strong compared to the episode which got aired. I've uploaded a copy of it here. . .

    First Dollhouse Script

    The show feels a bit cut & pasted at the moment, but the themes are very strong. Read the script and see what you think.

    -FL

  11. Re:And Futurama by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The day that a significant number of viewers realize this, turn more to the Internet for their shows (for time convenience), and stop watching TV (because it'll be pointless) is the day that the mass media industry starts to care.

    It'll never happen. The mass media caters to the masses. Humans are pack animals, they are wired to follow a strong leader. Television gives the appearance of being that leader, it never wavers in its resolve. In the USA and most of the world, the 60Hz carrier wave and thus refresh is an Alpha wave generator and makes you even more susceptible to suggestion; another fine reason to have a non-CRT television since none of them have a 60Hz anything-but-retrace - and often, that isn't really 60Hz either, although sometimes it is because we've done things that way for ages. The core point here is that Fox already caters to the masses, and the masses are asses. Not because they're bad people, but because they're too lazy to think for themselves, or to try to do something different even though what they're doing now isn't making them happy.

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  12. Re:And Futurama by Myrimos · · Score: 2, Informative

    But on the flipside, most US TV series don't appear to really have "proper" endings, unlike many Japanese anime...

    Respectfully sir, you've never watched Evangelion, have you?

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  13. Re:And Futurama by TeamSPAM · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is one of the things that sold me on TiVo the first year I had it. I added "The Tick" to my season pass and it got every episode regardless of where Fox moved it to. Trying to keep up with scheduling moves that Fox makes is a nightmare.

    As for Futurama, at the end they stuck it on Sunday night at 7pm. At best you got to see the show already in progress because of football running long.

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  14. Doctor Who ran for 26 years with only 1 year off by Geof · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stargate went 10 seasons strait, whereas Dr. Who has had how many restarts to the series

    The original Doctor Who ran straight for 22 seasons from 1963. That was followed by a one-year hiatus before seasons 23-26, then cancellation. Not counting the 1996 TV movie, there was a 16 year gap before the show started up again.

  15. Re:And Futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In the USA and most of the world, the 60Hz carrier wave

    The carrier wave for TV signals is just a teensy bit higher frequency than 60 Hz: 54 MHz to 806 MHz depending on the channel. (I suspect you don't actually know what a carrier wave is, btw.)

    and thus refresh is an Alpha wave generator

    Alpha waves are way lower frequency than 60 Hz.

    and makes you even more susceptible to suggestion;

    As the other AC said, how's your tinfoil hat? Are you claiming that fluorescent light tubes are mind control devices? (They output 60 Hz pulsed light too...)

    another fine reason to have a non-CRT television since none of them have a 60Hz anything-but-retrace - and often, that isn't really 60Hz either, although sometimes it is because we've done things that way for ages.

    The fact that NTSC video is transmitted with 59.94 fields per second has a little bit to do with it, don't you think?

    Some (not all) non-CRT televisions have light sources which aren't pulsed at 59.94 Hz (actually 29.97 due to interlacing). For example, LCDs typically use cold cathode fluorescent lamps (at a frequency much higher than 60 Hz) or LEDs to provide light.

    However, it doesn't matter, because the reality is that (as you can see every time you look at a CRT) with a little bit of phosphor persistence (afterglow) a strobed light source at 29.97 Hz looks like a constant light source to your retina. The photoreceptor cells in your retina translate light intensity to a stream of nerve firings (impulses). The firing frequency varies with the amount of light hitting the cell. However, the cell has rather limited intensity bandwidth, and acts like a low pass filter. If the incoming light's amplitude modulation is too high in frequency, it effectively time-averages the signal.