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Federal CIO Kundra Takes Leave of Absence After Woes

CWmike writes "The fallout from Thursday's arrests of a District of Columbia IT security official and contractor quickly raised questions about the fate of Vivek Kundra, the new federal CIO who until recently ran the office now mired in bribery allegations. Appointed by President Barack Obama as CIO less than two weeks ago, Kundra was CTO for the District of Columbia. But yesterday, Kundra's former office in a downtown government building was a crime scene. A White House official, speaking on background, confirmed today that Kundra took a leave of absence from his new CIO job shortly after federal investigators arrested two men in the DC government office on bribery charges. The official would not elaborate on the reasons for the leave; there were no indications yesterday that Kundra was involved in any wrongdoing. Kundra's decision could slow his plan to create a 'revolution' in the federal government's use of technology."

193 comments

  1. Oh well by Slumdog · · Score: 1

    I submitted a story on this earlier....may the force be with you VK!

    1. Re:Oh well by von_rick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Deadly thing a bribe is, and burned will you be by it. Your cabinet position you will lose and charged for corruption you shall be. Your ally is the force, but abusing it will make the dark side grow stronger. Consume you, it will.

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    2. Re:Oh well by value_added · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know whether you're overly fond of imperative constructs, you've been parsing the "will's" and "shalt's" of too many RFCs lately, reading Scripture has taken its toll, or you're just a Star Wars fan, but whatever the reason, hopefully, stop it you will.

    3. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whether, don't know, fond overly imperative constructs, you are.

    4. Re:Oh well by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Au contraire, my friend. I think we should add a Yoda day. Like the "talk like a pirate day". But better. :D

      And let it be this day, where the idea was born, and where from now on, we shall talk like Yoda.

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    5. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I submitted a story on this earlier"

      most news orgs decided to run this late friday.

      irony. he was giving a speach on planned enhancements to federal aquisition process as his old office was being raided.

    6. Re:Oh well by maxume · · Score: 1

      No.

      However, randomly saying "You will be, you will be" has been approved, along with "Stay on target" and "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE".

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    7. Re:Oh well by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      To take a joke must you be able, Master Value Added...

    8. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...talk like Yoda we shall.

      If you're going to proclaim it from the rafters, it might as well be with style. :)

  2. Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this Change or Hope ?

    1. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, it's change, not hope.

    2. Re:Change you can believe in by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, its change. No tax issues here.

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    3. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe in lulz.

      And lulz is what I've been given.
      Lord bless our leader Barak Hussein Osama.

    4. Re:Change you can believe in by larry+bagina · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think you mean "Allah bless our dear leader Barak Hussein Obama, peace be upon him."

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    5. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that remark was meant to be funny. This is yet another Obama appointee who doesn't measure up. Not a good trend. I don't trust Obama as far as I can spit and sure as hell didn't vote for him. McCain was no prize either, but I sure want the people who did vote for to remember who are responsible for putting him in power. Things are going to get worse.

    6. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's change, cuz this level of corruption in such a young administration is unprecedented.

      Believe it!

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    7. Re:Change you can believe in by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...remember who are responsible for putting him in power.

      Sarah Palin?

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    8. Re:Change you can believe in by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Wow... the bushiites are still in control of the judicial power.

      Thats what i can muster so far.

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    9. Re:Change you can believe in by _ivy_ivy_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice theory, but the executive branch enforces the law, not the judicial branch.

    10. Re:Change you can believe in by iminplaya · · Score: 0, Redundant

      See, Cap'n? Too fuckin' easy. Forget tryin' to be Shakespeare. Just go for the gold. Watch this, I'll say it again, and it will get downmodded...Sarah__Palin

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    11. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't insult muslims. Even they don't deserve this.

      Hmm... who deserves it then?

      Well... I guess the ones who allow this joke called "democracy" to still exist.

      I say overthrow the government, and put metagovernment.org in place. Can't be much worse. And if yes, we can still return to "democracy", despite it being proven as horribly flawed by definition.

    12. Re:Change you can believe in by darkshadow · · Score: 1

      Is this Change or Hope ?

      Can it be both?

      Hopey Change

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    13. Re:Change you can believe in by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow... the bushiites are still in control of the judicial power.

      This same level of stunning ignorance about the actual structure of the government and its various agencies - the sort of fantastic miscomprehensions held by most Obama supporters - is why he got elected. And when all of the things he and his chosen administration are already doing wrong compound to make several more spectacular messes, the very same voters who don't even know who the FBI are and what they do will find a way to make sure they don't blame Obama for his own actions. Because that would make them uncomfortable about having so idiotically voted him in in the first place. After a few years, though, the buyer's remorse will really kick in - even among those who don't actually understand how the government works.

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    14. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the self-rightous supporters of the Republican agenda (Rush Limbaugh apologists, I'm lookin' at you) and the pompous supporters of "My way or the flyway" Pelosi need to realize is that the government is horrifically polluted by these types of people, at all levels and all branches and both parties.

      If you think this country's problems are caused by the "Democrats" or the "Republicans" you are seriously deluded; just the way that slime wants you.

      The problem is so serious that I have put aside my desire to see the Nuremberg Tribunal re-convened for the Administration just vacated.

    15. Re:Change you can believe in by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Not that you're going to make overblown predictions or anything. Remember how incorrect all the liberals' predictions that Bush would be a stunning and painful failure were? Oh, wait...

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    16. Re:Change you can believe in by DarkTempes · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't corruption in Obama's administration (yet). It is corruption (an employee scam) in the D.C. government administration that was there before Obama came into office and which Obama's man was CTO of before becoming CIO.

      The President's administration != local D.C. government.

    17. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      Sure - maybe not technically in his administration, but not for his lack of trying. And they would have made it too, if not for those meddling kids! (Care for a Scooby snack?) This is happening too often to be a mistake.

      It's only a matter of time before something comes out about The Man Himself.

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    18. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 0, Troll

      Right, because the honest, unbiased reporting by the MSM, the constant barrage of attacks, and those quick-witted funny boys at Comedy Central had nothing to do with that perception, right? Or the fact that they conditioned 90% of /. to shun free discussion so much that they downmod anything positive about Bush or critical of liberals (not to mention the real-life analogs). Or maybe the fact that it's so engrained that people are still bringing up Bush to deflect criticism of Obama?

      You guys were programmed. You were brainwashed, and it was done so skillfully that you still don't know it happened. Don't believe me? Watch how many robots mod nonsense about Bush/conservatives as Funny or Insightful as long as it's a "bon mot" -- even if it's trite, patently false, or nonsensical. Then watch as reasoned discussions are rated troll, flamebait, or overrated because they espouse conservative or libertarian ideals.

      When you see it, ask yourself how it is that people will so willingly suppress reasoned discussion while promoting tired old platitudes. That's not intelligent, that's salivating when you hear a bell.

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    19. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how all conservatives said that Obama would bring change and hope? Oh, wait...

    20. Re:Change you can believe in by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Gees, get real, it will take the new administration, just the ones at the very top at least a year to replace the previous administrations crony placements, not that the next lot are guaranteed to be better but there are a whole bunch of Alaskan styled cow lovers buried through out every government department and it will take law enforcement agencies years to clear them all out excluding of course the ones that try to bail before the get busted for their past wanton criminal activity. Who can forget a for profit FDA, a EPA that was facilitating pollution not cleaning it up or the FCC that was being controlled by the corporations it was meant to be controlling.

      It will takes years, possibly even decades to repair the damage done by that blatant very public corruption. The real measure of the success of the current administration will be how many prosecution for corruption they can achieve, possibly even in the thousands and that is a huge amount of investigation and prosecution to work through. You do know that is the part of the job of the administration, ensuring corrupt officials are caught and prosecuted, not covering it up, not pretending it doesn't exist, not lying about and absolutely not participating in it. So you measure failure by how long it took to catch them, not by how many they catch, catching and prosecuting is success.

      That same logic extends into party politics, when those with in a party abuse the positions and get caught you publicly burn them at the stake so as to convince the public the rest of your are different and you are demonstrating your integrity by turning over the traitors to the party, doing the opposite just means they inevitably take you with them. So basically you do a phoenix, build a whole new party from the burnt ashes of the failures, elected, appointed or public figures doesn't matter, the brighter the fire, the more attention your attract and the better you end up looking, as long as you are one of the ones feeding the flames and, they are not in a position to 'out' you ;0.

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    21. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      Yet again, deflecting criticism by bashing on Bush.

      Look, man. You had 8 years to bitch about the guy, and now that someone else is giving you some very good reasons to bitch, you're instead choosing to continue bashing on the last guy.

      Open your eyes, open your mind, stop giving This Administration a pass on its own very unique set of problems.

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    22. Re:Change you can believe in by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      This is the "Change" phase of the Obama Presidency. Expect it to last until things can't get any worse.

      The "Hope" stage comes in about 3 years when primary candidates for the next election start to show their heads, or when things get so bad that hope is all we'll have left - whichever comes first.

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    23. Re:Change you can believe in by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Oh really?

      Yes, the corruption Kundra was potentially involved in was when he worked for DC.

      But how else can you describe what's going on with all of Obama's political nominees, and the games he's been playing with special interest groups and organizations, other than "corruption"? Cronyism? That's corruption too, buddy - the only reason it doesn't necessarily apply is because Obama wasn't buddy-buddy with these people before the election. It's partisan demagoguery.

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    24. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arguing with Liberals is like arguing with my dog. All you get back are stupid looks and a lot of incomprehensible noise.

    25. Re:Change you can believe in by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oh man is that funny... wooooo hooooo ... oh my God I am dying, my sides are splitting I can't stop laughing.... come on folks mod this guy funny... come on! What? Huh? He's not being sarcastic? That's not satire? Oops, boy am I embarrassed. I would have thought anything so Limbaugh-esqe couldn't possibly be... never mind. Sorry sorry sorry, never mind....

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    26. Re:Change you can believe in by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Losers always blame the media. Oh no, black people don't cause more crime, it's the media! Oh no, Republicans didn't increase spending more than any administration before them, it was the media! Oh no, No Child Left Behind wasn't a status-quo maker, where the best schools got the most money and the worst schools got the least, it was the media!

      You know what? Get a platform that you'll actually follow, get a platform that might actually work, get a platform that's internally consistent, and we can talk. Until then, the Republicans under Bush have dug their own grave by not following their platform, by using methods that objectively didn't work, by having a set of ideals that are internally inconsistent, where they want to create laws to subjugate minorities they don't like, but say they're for less government.

      Republicans have just been socialists who hate minorities longer than I've even been alive. Reagan was the largest spender and debtor in US history until Bush came around. The first Bush was well on his way until he got booted. If I'm going to vote for socialism(I'm not), I'm going to vote for the guys who don't hate a bunch of random minorities while they're at it.

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    27. Re:Change you can believe in by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Where the FUCK was your high-minded outrage when the CIA under the Bush administration was sending Canadian, Italian, and Swedish citizens to Syria and other nations to be tortured for months?

      What's that? You're a partisan hack? Oh, nevermind then.

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    28. Re:Change you can believe in by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Just because he points out that all of Obama's friends worthy of a government position under him is either tax cheat or corrupt in some way does not mean he didn't appose another wrong under another administration.

      In fact, it appears that you may be suggesting that it's OK for Obama to be surrounded by criminals because someone else did something wrong. Is this the modern version of Clinton did it?

    29. Re:Change you can believe in by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I'm suggesting that these people are partisan hacks who will ignore horrible things when it's "their team", but suddenly find their voice when something significantly less dodgy comes about.

      I don't give a fuck about your corrupt politicians. I DO give a fuck that you might grab me without a court order and throw me on a plane to Syria if I visit your country, with the full support of the president.

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    30. Re:Change you can believe in by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      What pass, until the previous lot are in prison it will never be over and, should this lot prove just as bad, they can join the others behind bars. What is interesting is I never mentioned any names, so it would appear that you acknowledge who the criminals are, justice demands prosecution for those crimes and true justice never rests, never gives a free pass because it is to politically inconvenient and, certainly never pretends it didn't happen.

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    31. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      It's not interesting at all. You said:

      Gees, get real, it will take the new administration, just the ones at the very top at least a year to replace the previous administrations crony placements,

      It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to know who you're talking about. You don't need to spell it out. Why on Earth would I assume you were talking about the Clintons?

      Now go ahead and draw your conclusions from the fact that you forgot what you said and think I can't make simple assumptions about your meaning.

      Moron.

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    32. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to wonder when the first couple things Obama did in office was to gather union bosses and make a statement that things were going to change and that he was going to support them 100% even though union industries weren't competitive and haven't been for many years. Next he made a statement to Muslim countries that he want relations to be like they were 20-30 years ago. Weren't those years the height of terrorism? Then the stimulus package, to save union jobs, create lots and lots of new government unions jobs and fund projects that create union jobs. Sounds to me like the change is going to be great for union bosses, terrorists and now crooks :-)

    33. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      How do you know I wasn't outraged? Have you looked at my posting history over the last 8 years?

      But yet again, you're deflecting the criticism of the current administration by referring to the last one, and that is NOT a valid argument. Neither is casting aspersions on me personally.

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    34. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Do you morons ever actually say anything? An entire paragraph, and you said nothing intelligent. You simply imply that what I'm saying is somehow nonsensical or illogical without taking a single step to prove it.

      Come back when you can debate like an adult.

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    35. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      You say that like you expect me to disagree. I left the Republican party for several of the reasons you state. Others you're just exaggerating and race-baiting, but you do have some valid points. I didn't like or vote for McCain either.

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    36. Re:Change you can believe in by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      It's perfectly valid to compare the previous administration to the current one. Why wouldn't it be? Why has historical context suddenly become verboten?

      Actually, don't answer that. I expect the same sort of stupid convoluted reasoning I heard in 2003 when I was telling Slashdotters that running up perpetual debt will cause massive problems with the economy.

      The last administration was turning the United States into a terrifying totalitarian regime where foreign nationals are "disappeared" by the CIA and sent to rogue states like Syria to be tortured for months. After that, embezzling and tax evasion that weren't even ordered by the President seems almost quaint.

      And you're a partisan hack, as shown by your partisan hack sig. You're putting everyone who disagrees with you into a big tent. Fiscal conservatives and constitutional conservatives? Liberals. How dare the bastards look at history to determine the context of current events.

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    37. Re:Change you can believe in by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 1

      No, putting things into context is fine. Using it as an excuse or to deflect criticism as you and many others are doing is another thing entirely, so cut it with the straw man. You know what I was saying and you're trying to change the topic.

      I agree on the massive spending, which is why I'm upset at the fact that Obama has put even Bush to shame in that regard, and has done it in record time.

      "Terrifying totalitarian regime??" You've obviously never seen a terrifying totalitarian regime, because we're nowhere close. More emotional hyperbole -- as expected from a leftist. I'm not excusing what Bush did because I didn't agree with much of his second term either, which was why I didn't vote republican in the last election, but to say we're a "terrifying totalitarian regime" just shows that you're either going for the emotional shock value or are simply deluded.

      And your last paragraph makes very little sense, devolves into name calling, and won't be dignified with a response.

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    38. Re:Change you can believe in by Miseph · · Score: 1

      You say "reasoned discussion", I say "psychotic ranting".

      Seriously though... I assert that your political ranting is no more valid than anyone else's, and in response you ascribe a detailed political background to me, claim that I am "brainwashed" and then claim that you're being oppressed and unfairly judged. How can you possibly fail to see the irony here?

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    39. Re:Change you can believe in by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Come back when you can debate like an adult.

      I will once you grow up and stop acting like a raving programmed lunatic.

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    40. Re:Change you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were pulled off and sent somewhere for interogation, you probably deserved it. You might think that the rally you were at in Iran burning effigies was nothing, but it gives us a legitimate reason to refuse your entry into our country. If you don't like, you don't have to come here after all.

  3. Kundra is currently in negotiations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to bring his infotech expertise to a new project in the federal prison system.

    The first rollout will involve electronic standards for documentation of the prison sculling teams.

    1. Re:Kundra is currently in negotiations... by Slumdog · · Score: 1

      I expect a presentation "On the Optimal Distribution of Assets in a PMITA Facility"

    2. Re:Kundra is currently in negotiations... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      I expect a presentation "On the Optimal Distribution of Assets in a PMITA Facility"

      More like Optimal Distribution of Ass to all the bull queers in a...

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  4. Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    They should have gone with someone with a cooler name. Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

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    1. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Slumdog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They should have gone with someone with a cooler name. Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

      In Sanskrit-derived hindi, Vivek means "wisdom". Obviously you're proposing we discard brains for brawn.

    2. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know Kundra sounds like it could be an open source project

    3. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should have gone with someone with a cooler name. Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

      In Sanskrit-derived hindi, Vivek means "wisdom". Obviously you're proposing we discard brains for brawn.

      You're assuming the Obama administration has brains to discard.

      At best, your assumption lacks supporting evidence.

    4. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or brains for boobs.

    5. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Slumdog · · Score: 1

      They should have gone with someone with a cooler name. Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

      In Sanskrit-derived hindi, Vivek means "wisdom". Obviously you're proposing we discard brains for brawn.

      You're assuming the Obama administration has brains to discard.

      At best, your assumption lacks supporting evidence.

      You are assuming that my assumption lacks evidence. Let me be clear here: in Soviet Russia, evidence lacks assumption.

    6. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by von_rick · · Score: 3, Funny

      A KDE app?

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    7. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      They should have gone with someone with a cooler name. Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

      In Sanskrit-derived hindi, Vivek means "wisdom". Obviously you're proposing we discard brains for brawn.

      You're assuming the Obama administration has brains to discard.

      At best, your assumption lacks supporting evidence.

      You are assuming that my assumption lacks evidence. Let me be clear here: in Soviet Russia, evidence lacks assumption.

      Yeah, it's the excess brains of the Obama administration that has caused them to:

      1. Pick a Commerce secretary that had to quit.
      2. Pick another Commerce secretary that had to quit.
      3. Pick as CTO a person who had a direct report running a massive contracting scam for five years.
      4. Pick as a senior intel officer someone who has been on Chinese and Saudi payrolls, who has gone on the record whitewashing the Tianneman Square massacre, and when held accountable ranted, "It's the JOOOS!!!!"

      Yeah, it's their excess brains that are causing them to recycle Dimwit Carter's tax-and-spend economic orgy FAILURE of the 1970s at the rate of something like a billion dollars a minute - literally.

      The only reason Obama is in office now is because the media overlooked all this obvious-in-hindsight crap because of the tingle he sent of their collective leg.

      Don't think this is obvious?

      Ever seen those videos of Obama off-teleprompter? You know, akin to the ones the media would repeat ad nauseum if Bush would slip up?

      No, the media buried videos of Obama being a mouth-breathing babbler when he's off his teleprompter.

      So, I say again: there's no evidence whatsoever that the Obama administration is gifted with brains at all, much less enough excess to be able to discard any.

      All you Obama enablers will now reap the results of the rancid political climate you've sowed for 8 years.

      And don't you just love how the media has pretty much stopped giving Obama a pass for his corrupt connections?

      Guess what?

      That's not going to stop.

      With the Democrats in power across the board, the need for the media to fill up empty pages and empty air time with relevant news/crap means the only viable targets are Democrats. So the standard pass Democrats get is over.

      Although Dems still aren't held to the same standard as Republicans are. Don't think so? Grow a pair and research how Nancy Pelosi uses Air Force jets as her private taxi service and ask yourself why that's not all over the news.

    8. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nancy has to fly on military jets. One of Hussein Obama's appointees stole her broom.

      This administration has gone beyond corruption and incompetence to pure evil with nothing to restrain it.

      God help us.

    9. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nancy has to fly on military jets. One of Hussein Obama's appointees stole her broom.

      This administration has gone beyond corruption and incompetence to pure evil with nothing to restrain it.

      God help us.

      Deliberately-overlooked-by-the-media fact:

      It was Hillary Clinton whose helicopter was given the unofficial callsign of "Broomstick One" when she made a trip to Iraq.

    10. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Feel better now, Ms. Palin?

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    11. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      IN SOVIET RUSSIA, meme eludes YOU!

      . . . evidence lacks YOU!

      Amateurs!

    12. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      Although Dems still aren't held to the same standard as Republicans are. Don't think so? Grow a pair and research how Nancy Pelosi uses Air Force jets as her private taxi service and ask yourself why that's not all over the news.

      The following should not be interpreted as a defense of Pelosi. It's just a fact:

      Pelosi travels on an Air Force jet for security reasons: she is second in the line of succession for the Presidency.

      The choice of plane (a 757) seems excessive, but it's reportedly the only one readily available that can fly non-stop from DC to her home in California.

      I think that Pelosi should acknowledge the political implications and cut back on the number of trips that she makes. Maybe she had done so.

      But, I believe the parent poster is correct in one aspect: if Pelosi was a Republican, the mainstream media would be all over this, with repeated editorials masquerading as news reports.

    13. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Bah. You Americans and your weak names. We Germans got "Oberst Sturmhart Eisenkeil" (Colonel Stormhard Ironwedge). Now THAT is a name!

      I lost the source, but here is the quote I saved:

      During my service in the German army I came across an Oberst Sturmhard Eisenkeil - which literally means as much as "Colonel Stormhard Ironwedge". What's so special about him is his first name... it's not just your average "Max", but it's as if his parents were trying to make up a name that sounds as militaristic as possible. I know that if should I ever write a WWII story the main protagonists will be called Oberst Sturmhard Eisenkeil and Staff Sergeant Max Fightmaster... I also know an Oberfeldwebel Killermannn in person, who would make a good henchman for the evil Oberst.

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    14. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by jcr · · Score: 1, Troll

      Don't forget:

      5) Waste the Secretary of State job as a consolation prize to mollify some lying, race-baiting, sniveling loser's fan clup instead of appointing a career diplomat who can actually gain the respect of foreign leaders.

      I will give credit where credit is due, though. At least Obama postponed a Hillary Clinton administration for a minimum of four years, and he may have prevented it altogether.

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    15. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by jcr · · Score: 1

      Nancy Pelosi uses Air Force jets as her private taxi service and ask yourself why that's not all over the news.

      Isn't it? I know I've heard quite a bit about it.

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    16. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      In Sanskrit-derived hindi, Vivek means "wisdom". Obviously you're proposing we discard brains for brawn.

      Seems his name was given in jest given his current predicament, eh?
      The meaning of her name in hindi, on other hand, is at least plausible.

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    17. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Like Padmasree Warrior her name kick's Wolf Blitzer's name any day of the week and she's better looking too.

      Hah, those names are nothing compared to a Dikshit. Nobody will face up to one of them...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Dikshit
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Dikshit
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anurag_Dikshit

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    18. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Oh, bother.

      Pelosi travels on an Air Force jet for security reasons: she is second in the line of succession for the Presidency.

      And? How does that make her any different than previous Speakers, or for that matter, #4 in line?

      Or how about #15 in line (if there were such a thing)? Air Force transit for the President and Vice President is justified because they (the President, really) is the leader of our armed forces. The House Speaker is not, and is simply the most senior member of the House (as decided by a House election). The position itself (with its 1947 succession priviledge elevation) stinks of the kind of bureaucracy and monarchy that is so repugnant to Americans.

      (Moving further in, there's no actual constitutional basis for succession beyond the VP, removing further grounds for the prestige she has.)

      The choice of plane (a 757) seems excessive, but it's reportedly the only one readily available that can fly non-stop from DC to her home in California.

      And she has to make this commute daily? Weekly? Monthly? How often? Certainly not often enough that justifying a half-hour stop over somewhere to refuel can't be justified.

      And it's not just "an Air Force 757" she's flying in, either - it's a plush executive plane. It's the height of excess and largely a symbol of power. The cost to the American people, especially in these times of government excess and tightening belts at home, is excessive, and can not be justified with any of your arguments.

      I say, if she wants a big Air Force plane, stick her in steerage on a cargo plane.

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    19. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      And? How does that make her any different than previous Speakers, or for that matter, #4 in line?

      This plan was put in place by Bush and Rove post 9/11. They decided that the Speaker of the House was important enough to have fly in his/her own plane in case of another coordinated attack.

      The choice of plane (a 757) seems excessive, but it's reportedly the only one readily available that can fly non-stop from DC to her home in California.

      And she has to make this commute daily? Weekly? Monthly? How often? Certainly not often enough that justifying a half-hour stop over somewhere to refuel can't be justified.

      This I agree with. The plane she currently flies is in fact a military owned plane. The problem is that she has to stop part way to refuel and she doesn't like doing it. She needs to suck it up, but instead rails against CEOs all day while doing the same stuff herself.

      BTW, most congress people commute back to their districts every weekend. They work 4 days/week, fly home on Fri. and we pay them ~130k/year + all the extras + extras they get when they leave office. And, they have the nerve to criticize business people? ROFL.

    20. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      And? How does that make her any different than previous Speakers, or for that matter, #4 in line?

      This plan was put in place by Bush and Rove post 9/11. They decided that the Speaker of the House was important enough to have fly in his/her own plane in case of another coordinated attack.

      You're right on this; my attempt was to try to emphasize how "above and beyond" Pelosi has gone. There's record of her making a big stink about the refueling stop(s), and wanting her plane to be nicely accommodated. I can understand that as well, to a certain degree. But using the plane for press junkets back home every weekend is INSANE, and a clear abuse of privilege. (Whatever happened to civil service?)

      Most Congressmen participate in the excess, yes; I can't entirely blame them, having had the misfortune to visit DC in the past. But Pelosi personifies this abuse, and embarassingly so, as she's the House Speaker.

      (On the other hand, if they stuck around DC, maybe the place would be forced to clean up!)

      Realistically, any plane provided for her should be limited to official purposes of the office. Her use of the plane for personal politicking and junkets has resulted in her having a much more broadly dispersed public image, in essence giving her more power than she had previously. That isn't right.

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    21. Re:Picked the Wrong Name for the Job by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      This I agree with. The plane she currently flies is in fact a military owned plane. The problem is that she has to stop part way to refuel and she doesn't like doing it. She needs to suck it up, but instead rails against CEOs all day while doing the same stuff herself.

      I've heard conflicting info on this: the non-stop requirement is either because Pelosi threw a tantrum about making refueling stops, or it's due to security issues at the refueling locations.

      BTW, most congress people commute back to their districts every weekend. They work 4 days/week, fly home on Fri. and we pay them ~130k/year + all the extras + extras they get when they leave office. And, they have the nerve to criticize business people? ROFL.

      I made this point in my original posting, but it got snipped in the quoting. Pelosi is in no position to complain about business people flying around the country in when she does the same thing. At the very least, she should cut back her trips to once a month.

  5. Google tie-in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if it has anything to do with Kundra's big push to turn over everything to Google.

    1. Re:Google tie-in? by Slumdog · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it has anything to do with Kundra's big push to turn over everything to Google.

      Yes his office asked and received money for loads of Microsoft products that were never purchased. That is part of the problem.

  6. Catching all the crooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like Obama's plan for catching all the crooks is by appointing them to political office and let the approval process catch them.

    1. Re:Catching all the crooks by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Obama: I have this great idea. I'm going to have a Cabinet that's free and clear of corruption!

      Aide: Ummm... Mr. President? About that. We might have a problem coming up with a list of Candidates...

    2. Re:Catching all the crooks by tiqui · · Score: 1

      Well, that would certainly be consistent with his plan to catch tax cheats: Appoint them to various high offices and let the confirmation process drive them to pony-up.

  7. Confused by bonch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm confused. I thought the government under Obama was going to be made of rainbows and kittens glued together with hope. Are you telling me Obama's administration is as corrupt as any other but also has a one-party supermajority Congress and a cheerleading media backing it? Sweet...what a change!

    1. Re:Confused by IonOtter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you telling me Obama's administration is as corrupt as any other...

      Not quite?

      If it were, we wouldn't be finding out about this corruption until two years into their term, just like any other democrat. (Republicans don't get exposed until after they leave office, or piss off too many constituents.)

      So yes, this IS a very big change from the way things used to be.

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    2. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remind me to thank U.S. taxpayers for this wonderful sitcom.
      It's funny at least 30 minutes every day.

    3. Re:Confused by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The chief difference here appears to be that this President isn't handwaving away all concerns and going, despite all the evidence to the contrary, "No you can't go. You're my right hand."

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    4. Re:Confused by bonch · · Score: 1

      This President is too busy being "overwhelmed," according to his people.

    5. Re:Confused by caladine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you telling me Obama's administration is as corrupt as any other...

      Not quite?

      If it were, we wouldn't be finding out about this corruption until two years into their term, just like any other democrat. (Republicans don't get exposed until after they leave office, or piss off too many constituents.)

      So yes, this IS a very big change from the way things used to be.

      The only completely inexplicable "change" here is that people don't really seem to care about the obvious amount of corruption and just plain incompetence going around. How many of his cabinet picks inexplicably can't fill out their taxes properly? I don't know about you, but it doesn't give me any confidence when the treasury secretary can't even do his taxes right. This is the guy we're trusting to fix the banking mess?

      While it's nice to see this stuff doesn't come out years after it happens (Oh wait, most of the tax problems were years old, and only corrected a short time before confirmations. Hell, Daschle knew about his tax problems early last year but didn't come clean until he was tapped for the cabinet.), but that doesn't give them the pass on screwing up that they're getting.

      No matter the race, creed, or political party, they're dirty. The only change we're getting is how this crap is presented.

    6. Re:Confused by jlarocco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If it were, we wouldn't be finding out about this corruption until two years into their term, just like any other democrat.

      Actually, I think you're wrong. He's appointing people *SO* corrupt they can't even hide it until two years into their term. And that's with a majority in congress and a "cheerleading media". I cringe to think of what's actually getting through while everyone focus on these blatant cases.

    7. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > (Republicans don't get exposed until after they leave office, or piss off too many constituents.)

      Bush came in and told everyone there should be no scandal, OR Else. There were a actually relatively few among his staff. Even he refused to pardon Scooter. (Abuse of power during war not withstanding).

      Obama promised change. I guess he meant it.

      Obama hasn't hit 100 days yet and already 6 or 7 tax evasion issues among his appointees have surfaced.

      Basically its all calculated to set expectations. As soon as those are established off the REAL corruption can begin. This is a return to the Clinton era, where lying was an accepted form of government and the press gave him a free pass when everybody in the country knew he was lying.

    8. Re:Confused by Shivetya · · Score: 1

      starting to sound more like Ninjas and Pirates...

      I honestly don't see how anyone can take his "change" seriously with so many past Clinton officials on his staff and in key positions. His whole administration has been screaming "beltway" and "politics as usual" way too often. I was willing to give the guy a chance; didn't vote for him or McCain; but damn he just has a stink about him of Washington.

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    9. Re:Confused by recharged95 · · Score: 1
      Of course, it depends on who is doing the ratting.

      If the party in power was doing investigations to rat-out corruption, it's called being vigilant and good. If the minority power was conducting investigations, it's called a witch hunt.

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      Context sure makes it funny.

    10. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to hearsay from some Americans, filing your taxes requires a team of expert accountants who specialize in tax filing.

    11. Re:Confused by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but it doesn't give me any confidence when the treasury secretary can't even do his taxes right.

      I hate to sound like a shill for Obama, but the focus of this whole ordeal did bother me somewhat for the simple reason that it actually did sound somewhat plausible that he was confused by the tax code.

      Have you ever tried to do your own taxes....unassisted? The American tax code is an absolute nightmare at the present.

      I'm not sure that a flat tax or the FairTax proposal are good options. However, this is a debate we need to be having at the forefront. Our financial system is being dramatically reshaped, and it's about time that we addressed our massively bloated tax code. Make it simple, and it'll be far easier to audit and enforce.

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    12. Re:Confused by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      but it doesn't give me any confidence when the treasury secretary can't even do his taxes right. This is the guy we're trusting to fix the banking mess?

      Uh, you missed the boat on that one. The reason you should have no confidence is that he heads the IRS, because the IRS is an agency within the Treasury.

    13. Re:Confused by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      You are probably right in this case, because I don't think he has made any real changes with regard to transparency in this particular process. But I guess one thing to keep in mind going forward is that if you shine a light on the floor, you're going to see some roaches. But that doesn't mean the roaches weren't always there.

    14. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was told by his employer (the IMF), repeatedly, that he needed to file these taxes himself. If he didn't understand how to do it, why didn't he hire someone to file it for him?

      On the other hand, I agree that the tax code should be simplified. Democrat politicians are never going to do that. There is an outside chance, if the stars align just right, that Republicans might (I need more than one hand to count the Republican politicians who support simplifying the tax code--just barely).

    15. Re:Confused by Late+Adopter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Taxes are like an MMORPG: sure you can solo, but it's better if you play with someone who know's what he's doing. Then if you understand the rules well enough you can win some rewards, though they're paid in in-game money and never seem like a drop in the bucket compared to your subscription fees.

      And the rules are always changing, supposedly to "balance" the classes, but it just makes the game harder for everyone. And then every 4-8 years there's an expansion pack that inevitably nerfs one of the classes, usually the ones being bitched about the most on the forums (though the ones the devs play always seem to come out all right).

      Anyway, I recommend it, it's the only game in town!

    16. Re:Confused by Tarwn · · Score: 1

      I used to do my taxes myself every year, then along came websites that can do it for me (I'm lazy).

      This is what I see:
      We have a treasury secretary who found the tax code confusing and, instead of seeking assistance (like a paid professional) he dumped the whole thing in a dark corner somewhere and refused to face it.

      Between the tactical error of dumping into the dark corner and the inability to either request assistance or improve his knowledge I don't think I'd even want to hire him to manage a local fast food restaurant because these types of acitons tend to be even stronger in the workplace...

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    17. Re:Confused by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Check out the APT Tax. Not sure how feasible it is, but it's an intriguing idea.

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    18. Re:Confused by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      The only reason we're finding out about the corruption in Obama's administration right now (and I'd personally not call it 'corruption' so much as "a complete lack of sound judgment, character assessment or common sense") is because the they've been so damn incompetent in keeping it hidden, not because it's less corrupt.

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    19. Re:Confused by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried to do your own taxes....unassisted? The American tax code is an absolute nightmare at the present.

      I used to handwrite my tax forms. It's really not that hard if you track stuff properly during the year and have a reference for the current code.

      Here's the thing though. Geitner is supposed to be the best of the best, the smartest financial guy out there and he can't do his taxes? No, he was clearly avoiding paying his taxes. I wonder how many people are sitting jail for doing what he did? Where was the IRS? Why didn't they go after him and levy all the threats they do against anyone else who 'can't figure out the tax code'? It's clear as day hypocrisy, but that's no surprise given the rest of the Obama administration.

    20. Re:Confused by sycodon · · Score: 1

      And this incredibly smart and rich guy couldn't pony up $500 for a tax attorney to figure it out?

      Option A) He is incredibly stupid.
      Option B) He thinks only "little people" pay taxes.

      There is no Option C.

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    21. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. When Geitner worked at the IFC, he was informed that he had to pay taxes on his earnings there. He refused. He was caught a while later in an audit. He continued to NOT pay his taxes. It wasn't until he was nominated to be the treasury secretary that he coughed up ALL of what he owed.

      Biden says it's patriotic to pay your taxes. Since this scumbag INTENTIONALLY avoided paying taxes (even after an audit)-- he must be unpatriotic.

      I do my own taxes every year. A little $40 program called turbotax. Haven't had any problems yet.

      Someone like Geitner should have probably spent a few more bucks at somewhere like... oh... H&R Block?

      Flat tax will never work. More than 50% of the public does not pay federal taxes now. You think asking them to cough up 10%-15% is going to go over? If so, I suggest you submit yourself for drug testing (or Obamamessiah's Cabinet).

    22. Re:Confused by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      How many executives or busy professionals do you know?
      Ok.
      Now, how many of those people do their own taxes?
      My bet is "none", given my experience with those types of people (I manage their finances).

      None of these people knew about what was wrong with their taxes until they got reamed. I'm sure their CPA is looking for work now.

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    23. Re:Confused by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but it doesn't give me any confidence when the treasury secretary can't even do his taxes right.

      It would give me confidence. Someone who has experience with the fact that lax law is massively overcomplicated, in a position to do something about it. Most potential candidates will simply pay an accountant to sort out their taxes and so won't be aware of how complex the process is (it isn't, if you've got enough money to make the problem go away).

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    24. Re:Confused by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      Option C) He wasn't as good at filling out taxes as he thought he was. The last time I did my taxes by hand, I messed up on one of the calculations. By wife, who has a degree in accounting, double checked everything and did not catch the problem. As a result, we ended up paying instead of getting a refund. The only thing I see coming out of all this it that the tax code is way too complicated.

    25. Re:Confused by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      He's appointing people *SO* corrupt they can't even hide it until two years into their term

      Yeah right. All these governors, etc that he's appointing are *so* corrupt, and nobody finds out about it until they're appointed to the Obama cabinet. These people don't come out of nowhere into the Obama cabinet.

      If you really want to see a cheerleading media, look back at the past 8 years. Now the media is actually doing their job, investigating, and asking tough questions of people who do get appointed.

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  8. FOIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FBI-man wants no tech, FBI-man takes down tech-man. FOIA would expose certain unpleasant truths to whiners and malcontents. --Shampoo.

  9. He's not accused of anything by symbolset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, one of his direct reports ran ghost employees and kickback schemes for five years. But there is no evidence Kundra knew about it. Surely nobody expects the a state CIO to get involved in every petty detail.

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    1. Re:He's not accused of anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a contractor/associate of other contractors in the past with DC govt, I can assure you he is an a-hole, corrupt, and lacks the intelligence and qualifications necessary for the position. In his defense, you can say this about pretty much anyone in DC govt.

      I can only hope this helps bring him down. His own employees seem to loathe him. Ultimately, as the CIO he is supposed to take responsibility for his underlings. He may not have been guilty, but he is ultimately responsible for the office and everything that happens, particular at a high level like contracting.

    2. Re:He's not accused of anything by icebike · · Score: 0, Troll

      Exactly.

      He should not be Swift-Boated for the actions of others.

      Follow the money.

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    3. Re:He's not accused of anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, one of his direct reports ran ghost employees and kickback schemes for five years. But there is no evidence Kundra knew about it. Surely nobody expects the a state CIO to get involved in every petty detail.

      "Swift boat" him? Of course not. That would be unfair. Let's just revoke his H1-B visa.

    4. Re:He's not accused of anything by jlarocco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He should not be Swift-Boated for the actions of others.

      I have to disagree. If he's such a poor manager that he missed something like his direct report having "ghost employees" and taking kick backs then I don't think he's competent enough to be the federal CIO. Five years is a long time to not notice something was up.

      If he's not corrupt then he's incompetent. Either way, he's not qualified.

    5. Re:He's not accused of anything by icebike · · Score: 1

      Sorry for forgetting my cynicism tag in my prior post Jlarocco. I'll be more careful next time.

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    6. Re:He's not accused of anything by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I agree. If something like this was happening 5 layers below him I could see some leeway. However, if a DIRECT REPORT is runnign this kind of a scam than he clearly isn't doing his job. An invalid expense report or two per year might certainly be easy to sneak by a boss, but nobody should be able to run a massive scam under their supervisor's nose...

    7. Re:He's not accused of anything by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      how can this be "interesting"
      If he is completely blameless and has no accountability, what exactly is his job? look pretty and have the best office.
      His job is to run this area, place right employees in the right role, ensure the right decisions are made. you know ... work

  10. Richardson by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm. I voted against the neo-cons because of their total corruption and incompetence, as well as a very visible desire to destroy America. At this time, the dems appear to be heading in the same way with corruption.

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    1. Re:Richardson by Toonol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This may be modded redundant, because it gets said in nearly every political thread at Slashdot... but it is a very important point:

      Democrats and Republicans ARE BOTH TERRIBLE.

      Not based on ideology, really. You may find more to agree with in one party platform or another. But rest assured, the politician does NOT adhere to the party platform because of any actual conviction. When it is politically more profitable to betray it, they will. I'm 90% conservative, but would prefer an honest Democrat over a corrupt Republican. It's a moot point, though, because they're both rotten to the core.

      There may be some exceptions. It would have been interesting to see if Ron Paul would have stuck to his guns. Those exceptions are few and far between, though, and tend to get weeded out long before they run for president.

    2. Re:Richardson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you've just found yourself voting for neo-liberals instead. What they didn't tell you on your ballot was that neo-liberal and neo-conservative mean the exact same thing.

    3. Re:Richardson by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you think the "neo-cons" were trying to "destroy America"?

      If anything it would seem the problem was that they were so gung-ho about protecting America that they just started making shit up.

    4. Re:Richardson by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      This is a pretty good point. Neo-cons are out to keep America on top economically and militarily at whatever the cost. There's nothing that keeps other countries in check like a nuclear weapon owning country who will attack other countries for no valid reason. Iraq was a big "Don't mess with us cuz we crrrazy!" message.

      Of course, it didn't work. But the intentions were noble. :-)

    5. Re:Richardson by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Well, I voted for Ron the first time around. In fact, up until 2000, I had not voted dem or pub (save a couple of local pols). BUT, we could not afford to have another W get in. I had some issues with McCain, but somewhat considered him. That was gone once he picked the ultimate neo-con as running mate.

      I am STILL hopeful that Obama is an honest pol. BUT as I look at all the ppl that he has put around himself, they appear to be as corrupt as any neo-con. The question is, are they more competent. That remains to be seen.

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    6. Re:Richardson by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      LOL. That was as good when a hard core republican that I know who LOVED AND LIVED reagan claimed one month ago that reagan and W were "fucking pussy liberals". He acknowleges now, that both were bad for America. But he still thinks that Romney and Palin would be perfect (even though Palin is the total clone of reagan and W). I will be curious to hear what he says IFF Obama and his dems turn this economy in the first year.

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    7. Re:Richardson by recharged95 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      "Democrats and Republicans ARE BOTH TERRIBLE."

      Please add the media and the corporations.

      .

      The blogosphere is eating up "the salesman" (buy buy buy: Cramer) vs. "the senior citizen" (Steward: over analyze and whine, and get off my lawn!) mess with the apology Cramer gave yesterday, which in some sense didn't make sense (I doubt we'll see Steward on MadMoney).

      .

      Times have become just plain stupid.

    8. Re:Richardson by jlarocco · · Score: 1

      The problem with Reagan and Bush is that they didn't really practice what they preached. There are two sides to "Lower taxes and smaller government" and they only did one of them.

      Second, fixing the economy isn't really the government's job. They just shouldn't be screwing with it. In fact, it's probably only as bad as it is because the government was interfering with it so much in the first place.

      The truth is that the economy will go back up despite the damage Bush and Obama have done with their stupid bail outs. Going up and down is just part of what economies do.

      It's really a bit disappointing that Obama is going to take all the credit when things start going back up because the coincidence is going to reinforce his plans for even bigger, more intrusive government.

    9. Re:Richardson by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with Reagan and Bush is that they didn't really practice what they preached. There are two sides to "Lower taxes and smaller government" and they only did one of them.
      Actually, both of them never kept a single promise. BOTH grew gov like there was no tomorrow. And as to lower taxes combined with no deficit, well, that is well known. Taxes actually ended up higher in total under reagan, just shifted off his buddies. Though W did lower taxes a bit ( more on his buddies), but made reagan's #1 deficit look amateurish.

      Second, fixing the economy isn't really the government's job. They just shouldn't be screwing with it. In fact, it's probably only as bad as it is because the government was interfering with it so much in the first place.
      As a Libertarian, I agree with you. But the neo-cons pushed deregulations ONLY when it helped their friends. They left a great deal in place that was damaging, and worse backed their friends, rather than worry about the nation. In fact, the ONLY time that these neo-cons really stuck to doing the right thing with this gov/economy was only once they had totally F'ed things up and they saw the writing on the wall WRT voters.

      The truth is that the economy will go back up despite the damage Bush and Obama have done with their stupid bail outs. Going up and down is just part of what economies do.
      Yeah. It worked great for us from 1929-1933, and for the Japanese all through the 90's till current. What I find interesting is that most of the top economists say that we are not spending enough on stimulus, but they believe that this is step in right direction. Otherwise, we will end up like the other 2 time periods.

      It's really a bit disappointing that Obama is going to take all the credit when things start going back up because the coincidence is going to reinforce his plans for even bigger, more intrusive government.
      And this is where we differ. IFF Obama focus on getting the economy GOING, and once going focuses on balancing the budget with a balanced budget amendment ( the anti-neo-con or anti-republican amendment), he will be one of my hero's. As it is, I noticed that the first spending bill was LOADED with pork (20B), and the new one that just passed is "LOADED" with 8Billion of "pork" of an ~.5 Trill bill. Of course, that compares to the neo-cons spending 25-30B/year on a 300B spending bill, but now calling this major pork. I really do not care as long as the budget gets balanced and we get back to paying off reagan's and W's insane debts.

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    10. Re:Richardson by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with Reagan and Bush is that they didn't really practice what they preached.

      Speaking of practicing what they preach, remember when the Democrats wanted to take all our money and give it to poor people?

      Looting the workers to give the money to banksters is supposed to be anathema to the lefties.

      -jcr

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    11. Re:Richardson by jcr · · Score: 1

      IFF Obama focus on getting the economy GOING, and once going focuses on balancing the budget with a balanced budget amendment ( the anti-neo-con or anti-republican amendment), he will be one of my hero's.

      And if he flapped his arms and flew to the moon, I'd be similarly surprised.

      Obama is bought and paid for. It's why he voted for the Bush/Paulson bailout, it's why he appointed a bankster from the New York Federal Reserve Bank to run the Treasury department, and it's why he pushed so hard for the porkulus bill.

      But he sure does a great Deepak Chopra routine as long as the teleprompter is working. It just feels so good to listen to him blather.

      -jcr

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    12. Re:Richardson by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As far as I can tell, there's only one real Republican (Ron Paul) and one real Democrat (Dennis Kucinich) left in the congress, and they both get ostracized by their parties.

      -jcr

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    13. Re:Richardson by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I voted for Ron the first time around.

      He's a good protest vote. Some of his ideas are, frankly, very poorly informed, but he's at least earnest if not super informed or educated on many subjects.

      BUT, we could not afford to have another W get in.

      This is why we need electoral reform.

      I had some issues with McCain, but somewhat considered him. That was gone once he picked the ultimate neo-con as running mate.

      Yeah, that was some really lousy strategy. He had a shot, but he needed to appeal to moderates in the center. It's not like the far right wasn't going to vote for him anyway simply to stop Obama who they perceive as a threat. Palin did exactly the opposite. It did not get him any real new votes and drove away all the moderates.

      I am STILL hopeful that Obama is an honest pol.

      I have hope to. He honestly seems to be trying. He's come through fairly well for things in his power as executive and he's fighting hard for healthcare and tax reforms we really, really need and he promised to try to deliver.

      BUT as I look at all the ppl that he has put around himself, they appear to be as corrupt as any neo-con.

      Hs appointments to date have been a mixed bag. Some I strongly disapprove of, but some I strongly approve of. If you look at his cabinet there are a few that really stand out like: Kathleen Sebelius, Steven Chu, Eric Shinseki, Lisa Jackson, and Peter Orszag. They all seem leaps and bounds more competent and significantly less corrupt than many of their predecessors. Appointments like Chu are what keep my hope alive. Even Kundra seems to be at least more competent. We'll have to see how this potential corruption turns out.

    14. Re:Richardson by nitro77 · · Score: 1

      People get a fscking clue! Here is good insight to the current financial crises. I agree that the government should not be involved. But, greedy people are greedy people. They will stop at nothing to make more money. If the government does not do something than who will? Watch this show. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/ I always wanted to be in a big depression and waste time in a soup line This is not the only contribution. There was also problems with the way stock tradings were resolved. It wiped out many peoples retirement. I do not have the link at this time. Please waste an hour or two of your time. It may be better spent than /. :-)

    15. Re:Richardson by WindBourne · · Score: 1
      Just to point out a few things about them:
      1. Clinton gave China MFN in 94(was it 94?). In return, China had to drop their trade barriers in 2002 AND allow their money to be freely traded. Neither has happened. Sadly, W wanted Chinas help and money so simply ignored it. In the mean time, that monitary policy has served to drain money and jobs rapidly from ALL OF the west. EU is now getting wise to it, as it Geithner/Obama.
      2. In 2002, W/Neo-cons passed law that allowed no taxes to be paid on income UNTIL it was brought into the country. In essence, that solidified the jobs moving elsewhere.
      3. India has their money fixed against ours (50 to 1 held in place by the banks). It is designed to flow jobs to India esp Hollywood and Software. Of course that means that items that we produce here in US is very expensive to them esp. drugs. India has threatened to produce their own versions of our PATENTED drugs because coming from here to there was expensive. What did neo-cons do? Nothing. They allowed the drug companies to deal with it.
      4. Neo-cons passed one of the single largest give-aways in their senior drug program. BUT, it requires US to not negotiate the lowest rate on the drugs. In fact, it requires us to take what ever the drug company says.
      5. Neo-cons passed lower taxes for themselves, but again pushed monster spending esp. with funny budgets.

      I did not even touch the obvious crap of Iraq/Afghanistan/9-11/NASA/Education system/monster deficits/DHS/etc.
      There is little doubt in my mind that the neo-cons were stealing the country blind, and treating us the same as another nation, rather than as united country.

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    16. Re:Richardson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had some issues with McCain, but somewhat considered him. That was gone once he picked the ultimate neo-con as running mate.

      You have no fucking idea what "neo-con" means, do you?

      Pathetic Windbouorne, go back to eating at the chiddren's table and leave the grown-up talk to people who know what words mean.

    17. Re:Richardson by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      IFF Obama focus on getting the economy GOING, and once going focuses on balancing the budget with a balanced budget amendment ( the anti-neo-con or anti-republican amendment)

      ROFL, you mean that would be an anti-politician amendment. Here's the thing. Politicians want power. The quickest way to gain that power is to forcibly take your constituents money and give it to someone else. Growing the government is a power grab and balanced budgets and shrinking government do not fit in that scenario.

      The clearest example of this is lowering the tax break for charity giving. All charities (liberal, conservative, etc...) are up in arms about it. The government is saying don't worry, you'll get that money back from us through government spending. So now the government has removed the power from the original charity giver and shifted it to some politicians in DC. So now charities have to pander (ie, lobby, ie GIVE MONEY) to some politician in order to get the same amount of charity money they used to receive before from individuals. What a great system.

    18. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me:
      Congress has the power of the purse.
      Congress has the power of the purse.
      Congress has the power of the purse.
      Congress has the power of the purse.

      Reagan never had a party majority in Congress except for a brief time with a Senate majority.

      Bush (W) had a party majority for a good while and while the spending was disappointingly high, it (and the sum of all spending in U.S. history) has been eclipsed by the current Dem majority Congress in just a few short months.

      Reagan attempted to kill the Education Department (a recent Cater creation) but Tip O'Neil and the rest would have none of that.

      And the Republican majority in the 90's attempted significant reforms, only to have the budget vetoed and then lose a PR war with Clinton (With the enthusiastic aid of the media).

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    19. Re:Richardson by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      If you read up on neo conservative principals you will find that one of their avowed goals is to bankrupt the federal government so that large corporations will take over the fundamental social services of our lives. We're seeing the after-effects of this right now.

      Basically, they believe a small group of people is more intelligent than the masses, and those people should be running everything in order to save people from themselves. To do this, they have to concentrate as much power in the hands of the judicial branch and the executive branch as possible.

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    20. Re:Richardson by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      This is why we need electoral reform.

      You'd do well to look at the French system for inspiration. The winner has to get more than 50% to win. If no one does in the first round, then candidates are eliminated and another election is held the following weekend. This lets means that you can vote for outliers in the first round because doing so is a vote against the other candidates.

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    21. Re:Richardson by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      You'd do well to look at the French system for inspiration.

      Yes. Condorcet seems like the most fair and useful, even more so than instant runoff.

    22. Re:Richardson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo

    23. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      History still says Obama has a much greater chance of being fiscally prudent than a similar Republican president.

      The number 1 and number 2 biggest spenders and debtmongers since the end of WWII were George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan. Had he continued to an 8 year term, the Republicans would have a hattrick.

      So where does your faith in the Republicans come from? They haven't been fiscally conservative as long as most of us have been alive. They've been consistently worse than the Democrats for half a century.

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    24. Re:Richardson by sinai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Regarding your statement that Ron Paul's views are uninformed, can you provide any examples? He was just on CNN last night utterly refuting high-school graduate turned C-list actor Stephen Baldwin's spewing of the same tired and weak apologies for the (failed) War on Drugs and flawed logic behind the Fed's continuing criminalization of the use of marijuana, sometimes in bold defiance of State law already in place. Uninformed you say? Please inform us then! For those of you who are actually sick enough of TFA's example of yet another D.C. clusterfuckery, why not direct your sights on one of the biggest shenanigans in history by auditing the federal reserve?

    25. Re:Richardson by toddestan · · Score: 1

      It seems to be more like they were willing to destroy America in order to save it. Things like destroying civil liberties to root out terrorists, using torture to gather intelligence, premptively attacking those that could threaten the US in the future, stuff like that. On the surface, it seemed that they meant well but were misguided in both their actions and the targets of their actions. Beneath that, it seemed they were just grabbing and abusing power for their own ends, using national security as a cover for their actions.

    26. Re:Richardson by jcr · · Score: 1

      So where does your faith in the Republicans come from?

      My what?

      You don't know me very well, it seems.

      -jcr

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    27. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You must have faith in the Republicans, just as you don't walk into a bear cage without having faith in the bear.

      Empirical data tells me that so-called "liberals" are the best bet for a balance budget. Data from two countries over over 25 years shows that they will balance the budget, while so-called "conservatives" will break said budget.

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    28. Re:Richardson by jcr · · Score: 1

      You must have faith in the Republicans

      Nope.

      -jcr

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    29. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Shit, I re-read your comment. What was I replying to?

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    30. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Bush's 2001 tax cut cost 1.2 trillion dollars. How does a 800 billion dollar stimulus package eclipse that?

      And for that matter, if the Republicans spend 40 years spending like they found their parents credit card, when do you hold them accountable? When is it finally their fault for their absurd spending? When do you give up on pretending they're fiscally conservative and just admit that they're flat-out lying, and have been since Nixon pulled us out of the last vestiges of the gold standard to pay for 'nam?

      If I had an employee who did the opposite of what I told him for 40 years, he'd be fired and I'd make sure he never worked in this town again. Here you are, sticking up for 40 years of excuses in every circumstance.

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    31. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me:

      Tax cuts are not spending measures. Taxes TAKE money from those who EARN it. Not taking is NOT spending.

      800 Billing dollars is SPENDING.

      And just refresher:
      Democrats ran congress for the majority of the last 40 years and spent the majority of the money. Because why?

      Because Congress has the power of the purse.

      Don't blame Barry, Bush, Bubba, etc. CONGRESS...say it again...CONGRESS spends the money.

      Thank you. You may now go to recess. And leave the girls alone this time.

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    32. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Just a refresher: 800 bilion dollars isn't spending.

      Now, figure out how much Bush increased the federal budget by during his tenure. (Hint: The increases in 2004, 2005, and 2006 increased federal spending more than the stimulus package will)

      Go do your homework. While you're at it, figure out who was running Congress while Bush was in power, racking up 200 billion dollar budget increases year after year.

      I'm sick of you socialists pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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    33. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      More math, because I like math.

      The actual spending increases in the stimulus package amounts to 575 billion, or a budget increase of 287 billion in one budget year. That's not really all that impressive, to be honest. In 2003 the Bush administration increased the federal budget by 237 billion, the year before that 153 billion, the year after by 190 billion(adjusting for inflation).

      Clinton's budgets, by contrast, increased the federal budget by a measly 16 billion per year, adjusting for inflation. Even if Obama lied and he has another comparable stimulus package in 2 years time (so the net budget doesn't revert to 0), he'd still need another 2.7 stimulus plans(that similarly would need to be extended so the budget doesn't revert during his presidency) to be equal to the budget increases under Bush.

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    34. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Dumbshits both of you.

      Who ran Congress during Clinton's low budget era? Republicans.

      Who ran Congress during Bush's high budget era? Democrats. Sure the Republicans had a hand in the first few years and a pox be apon them. But if you look at the numbers, the deficent exploded during the Democrats tenure.

      The Congress has the Power of the Purse. How many fucking times does it need to be said? Congress taxes and spends.

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    35. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Wow. You're an idiot.

      6 of 8 years is "the first few years"?

      Unlike you, oh partisan hack, I have the numbers in front of me, because I was interested. The FIRST, SECOND, and THIRD largest increases in debt occurred under a Republican Congress. The FIRST, SECOND, and THIRD largest increases in spending occurred under a Republican Congress.

      I'm sick and tired of you loser armchair pundits who think you can make numbers up as you go along.

      My homework. Where's yours?

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    36. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      If you take but a few minutes to look at the official numbers:
      http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.shtml

      You will see that since 1968 (as far back as it goes), the only surplus was in 1969 and from 98-2001. This just happens to be when the Republicans had majorties in both houses. This is also the time frame when Welfare was reformed. And we all know what happend in 2001 that blew out the budget.

      All the other years, Democrats were in the majority and for only a single year did they have a modest surplus.

      BTW, this is in terms of percentage of GDP, the only meaningful measurement.

       

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    37. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You're looking at exactly one metric, you're ignoring all data which proves your hypothesis wrong, and you're ignoring ancillary data which doesn't support your hypothesis. If this were real science, I'd make the discovery and get a SI unit named after me, and you'd die in obscurity.

      The "Republican Congress" hypothesis is done. It's over. It has been conclusively disproven by the president who increased spending by 777 billion inflation adjusted dollars, George W. Bush. The budget was increased by an inflation adjusted 548.47 billion dollars under a Republican congress, senate, and judiciary. You dismissing the data only shows you're a terrible scientist.

      My "Republican president" theory, however, still accounts for all present data. This may change under Obama, but the stimulus plan will only increase spending by 280 billion dollars for 2 years, so if he can control costs during his administration and doesn't try to extend the stimulus, he'll be able to come in below both Reagan and Bush -- possibly even Ford.

      As an aside, the stagflation that Ford had to fight also gives him a prize: The inflation adjusted debt went down under his presidency. It also went down for several years under Clinton. You can't count inflation out of your calculations, because the value of debt decreases as the value of the dollar erodes.

      Your bad math and bad science isn't going to suddenly become good because you keep on cycling through arguments designed for people who don't understand economics, math, or science.

      You can't lie to me. I've got the numbers in front of me.

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    38. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Congress makes the laws and taxes and spends. Period. No imaginary ancillary data will change that. The Prez may influence, but the Buck literally stops with Congress.

      The data speak for themselves. You can through in all manner of imaginary statistics, but the facts are show very clearly in the table.

      Dollars mean squat. Percentage of the GDP means everything.

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    39. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Unrealistic views of debt, and ignoring the real value of things is the reason the credit bubble burst and why we're in a recession right now. You're not going to convince me that your hocus pocus statistic is worth more than the real inflation adjusted value of the debt.

      The President creates the budget. The congress votes on it. Maybe you've never been in that sort of position before, but I have. It means the President has de facto power over the budget. Congress can say "No, we don't like it", but at the end of the day, it's the President actually putting numbers into the spreadsheet, and therefore he who has the power.

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    40. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      The credit bubble was caused by federal government essentially dictating that lending institutions had to lend to the unqualified. Throw in short term thinking on the part of Wallstreet and there ya go.

      As far as the budget goes, the Constitution disagrees with you. Otherwise Reagan would be able to ditch the Education Department and many other useless agencies. But the Congress disagreed and were able to prevail because the power resides with them.

      Sure, the Prez can lobby, influence, bribe, threaten, etc. But just because Congress decides to be a pussy and not meet THEIR responsibility does not relieve them of their responsibility.

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    41. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      The details aren't what caused the credit crisis, the fundamentals caused it, which is why I was able to predict it in 2005. The details didn't cause it, they just made it worse.

      GDP/Debt is used as a metric to indicate the ability of a debtor nation to pay back their debts. The US can't even balance their budget, so this metric is useless.

      You haven't been in charge of something before. Sure, the steering committee has the final say, but it's your baby, you make it how you want it, then deal with the parts they don't like, not the other way around.

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    42. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      You are right. I don't know anything. I'm just another idiot slashdot poster. I bow to your superior intellect.

      Congress is just a steering committe. No constitutional authority except to rubberstamp what the prez says.

      We'll just wait and see what Barry does for us. That is if Nancy doesn't bitch slap him into subservience.

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    43. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I know you're an idiot. The fact that you presented the stimulus package as 800 billion dollars worth of spending said to me that you're just a partisan hack.

      Why would I take anything you say seriously after you make a factual error that huge as one of your major points? Then you brush aside actual data for a metric that is self-referential and flaky at best?

      You're a partisan hack. There's a lot of you idiots who popped up to attack the new administration. Guess what? Some of us have been fiscal conservatives no matter who was in power, and we find your "fair weather fiscal conservatism" offensive.

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    44. Re:Richardson by sycodon · · Score: 1

      A "real" fiscal conservative would be running away from Obamanomics as fast as he could.

      I suspect you are merely an Obama Acolyte pretending to be a fiscal conservative.

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    45. Re:Richardson by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      How the hell would you know? You've been so far removed from reality during this discussion that I had to point out basic things, like the number of years Bush had a fully Republican government for.

      'Course, this is a purely intellectual discussion for me. After 12 years of surpluses under the Liberal Party of Canada, the Conservative Party of Canada has promised us at least 3 years of deficit, and I checked the budget, it's because of their irresponsible and very bush-like tax cuts and stimulus spending we can't afford. After losing it for a few elections, libs will be getting my vote next election. Conservatives are getting just a bit too much like the Progressive Conservative Party of the '80s under Brian Mulroney, who more than doubled the federal debt.

      At least you guys are so far under water it makes sense to go into debt to dig your way out. You guys spend more of your GDP on government than we do, pay comparable taxes, yet we get socialised healthcare and balanced budgets -- your government is so broken some restructuring money might help.

      For us, we didn't need to go into debt, and the idiots in power are acting irresponsibly by spending what actually is my money -- we've paid back over 10 billion dollars of debt year after year for over a decade before these bozos came around and wrecked the budget, so unlike you guys, who are really just spending your kids money anyway and obviously don't care, this is my money being spent.

      Again, history. Politicians lie, but facts will never steer you wrong.

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    46. Re:Richardson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd do well to look at the French system for inspiration.

      Yes. Condorcet seems like the most fair and useful, even more so than instant runoff.

      I'm not sure what the best solution is, but Condorcet voting has problems since strategic voting means people have an incentive to rank rivals to their favorites artificially low and rank unwanted entities higher, as seen in this example.

  11. He's a politician from Chicago. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought the government under Obama was going to be made of rainbows and kittens glued together with hope. Are you telling me Obama's administration is as corrupt as any other but also has a one-party supermajority Congress and a cheerleading media backing it?

    He's a successful politician from the Chicago machine, which makes Boss Tweed's Tammany Hall look like minor pranks on a boy scout campout. What did you expect?

    *I* expect ongoing machine corruption scaled up to the national level, culminating in something to dwarf the Teapot Dome scandal and any corruption in any other administration since than (including the Clinton and both Bush administrations).

    But then I've dealt with Chicago politics a little bit... (Thank Murphy I've never had to live there.)

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    1. Re:He's a politician from Chicago. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      ... culminating in something to dwarf the Teapot Dome scandal ...

      (And yes I do know that Harding was a Republican and Teapot Dome was related to cronyism with, and bribery from, buddies in the oil industry and would thus have been a more resonant example if I were decrying possible corruption in a Bush administration. But I'm more concerned with magnitude than particulars here.)

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  12. What my directs do by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    isn't exactly a petty detail. Granted I don't hold a lofty title like CIO but I damn well know what all my directs are doing. If I didn't I would not hold down the job I do. I even have to keep tabs on what the other guys outside of my direct control are up to. Plus some of what his directs are accused of isn't exactly something that just goes by without some questions arising somewhere down the line.

    You also don't take leaves of absence. Just what in the hell is wrong with Obama's vetting process?

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  13. This always makes me laugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever "their" team wins an election, we will suddenly begin claiming that all politicians suck. Yet if "our" team wins, suddenly it's always only "their" politicians who suck, and ours are magically now unsucky.

    I'd bet cold hard cash that if your Republican team had beaten their Democrat team, you'd not be claiming that all politicians are "terrible"...only their Democrat politicians.

    1. Re:This always makes me laugh. by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Ah, so 'your' team must be the Democrats.

      I would take you up on that bet, and win; because you're guessing at my beliefs, and I'm (obviously) not. I've been saying the Republicans suck for a long time, even though I agree with their stated but rarely adhered to platform much more closely than the Democrats.

  14. Re:sarcasm by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Let me try again...

    But these offenses were in the distant past! He hadn't worked there for weeks! How does this have anything to do with him?

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  15. Slashdot trolls you can believe in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there were no indications yesterday that Kundra was involved in any wrongdoing

    But that won't stop angry slashdotters from trying to nail him to a cross.

  16. let me spell it out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assasination is no longer tenable. The only reason we deabte who killed JFK is lack of footage.

    But everyone, EVERYONE has dirt. And those with money will expose it, if given a reason.

  17. Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that as soon as he appoints someone, scandals come to light? Think about that. Everyone in these kinds of positions is involved in scandals. Why is it that they are being exposed now?

    1. Re:Republicans by PontifexMaximus · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I hope you're kidding about asking this. This isn't the Republicans doing. EVERYONE in DC is looking to find dirt on everyone else. The problem here is that Obama is appointing the WORST of the bunch. He is incompetent himself and so cannot find anyone other than more incompetents to work for him.

      This administration is a joke and will be known as the most corrupt in history.

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    2. Re:Republicans by Sj0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Wow, more corrupt than the administration that had secret assassination squads, that kidnapped foreign nationals without a court order and sent them to syria to be tortured, and sent the nation to war based on false intelligence?

      Seriously? some guy cheating on his taxes and another guy stealing some money from the government is worse than those things?

      Give your fucking head a shake, boy.

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  18. The limitations of moderation by symbolset · · Score: 1

    To moderate this "insightful" would be to agree with the absurd statement that he's not responsible and convey approval of the bald statement. Because it's subtle sarcasm that skewers the point without being sophomoric, because the stakes are so high, and because the trauma is future tense, "funny" and its associated neutral karma isn't warranted. What's left is "interesting". There is no "sad" moderation option.

    You're new here. Don't give up. Moderation works.

    And if you carefully examine what I said, this post is not off topic.

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  19. This is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The D.C. government always was and always will be a hot-bed of cronyism and corruption.

    And clearly, anyone involved in IT in the DC government is probably mostly capable of knowing how to grease palms and take advantage of kickbacks.

    There is nothing competent in this government. Remember, this is the government where the employees set up fake companies to take take rebates and stole $40M.

    The only reason Kundra got the job in DC is probably because he worked for a contractor that gave kickbacks to somebody high in Fenty's administration. And I'm guessing he got the Obama job because somebody owed him a favor.

    And if you doubt what I'm saying, remember Marion Barry? He was re-elected Mayor and is currently on the council. And due to a lifetime of drinking and drug abuse basically used up his kidneys. So he talked his campaign manager into giving her kidney to him.

    These are lying, thieving people. When you realize Obama appointed him, you realize Obama is probably corrupt and incompetent.

  20. you're a bit behind on that by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    That was the Democrats circa LBJ's "Great Society" in the 60s. By the 1990s, the pro-business faction was solidly in charge, culminating in 1992 when the head of the Democratic Leadership Council (the pro-business / anti-lefty caucus) won the Democratic nomination. Sort of analogous to New Labour displacing Old Labour in the UK.

  21. Tin Foil Hattery by IonOtter · · Score: 1

    Here's a fact: ALL politicians are corrupt.

    Now, here's a theory of mine: Some are more corrupt that others, and there's never been an effective way to weed them out. Everyone was corrupt, that much was understood, but how badly was never clear. And it was too dangerous to try and figure it out. Just ask Paul Wellstone. about how much luck he had with that.

    Even worse, some of those more-corrupt bastards are in your OWN party. Nominating them to any position puts you in jeopardy, and once again, your plane could end up suddenly taking a nosedive during a "routine" landing.

    How to eliminate them without slitting your own throat?

    Theory: establish a culture of rigorous honesty and total accountability. Make it clear that anyone selected is going to be examined with a fine-toothed comb. Show the people exactly how you're doing it, and more importantly, demand the same from the average citizens your campaign and administration is using for volunteers.

    Now start nominating people you want to eliminate.

    You know they're all corrupt? Now you can find out just how bad without slitting your own throat.

    Theory: your not-so-bad enemies and just plain neutral associates see the writing on the wall and become very loyal to your policies, lest they "get nominated" and destroyed. /Tin Foil Hat

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    1. Re:Tin Foil Hattery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? This is what you came up with? You know people can refuse nominations right? There is nothing that FORCES someone to go through a vetting process.

      MAJOR FUCKING FAIL ON YOUR PART. Not even an attempt at a conspiracy theory that works.

  22. Re:Richardson - This is Also an Important Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democrats are BETTER than the Republicans.

    The past 30 years have proved it. Yes, they both suck, but the Republicans suck more.

    So the trick really is, how do we move from the Democrats to something better, avoiding a retreat backwards into Republicanism?

  23. Re:Richardson - This is Also an Important Point by Toonol · · Score: 1

    Step one: Dispense with the assumption that Democrats are better. Some Dems are; Some Dems aren't. We're electing people, not an abstract 'Democrat' or Republican'.

    Step two: Stop caring about party affiliation. Both yours, and your candidates'. Vote purely on their record and your judgment of them as individuals, not because of the side they are on.

    That second step is the hard one. You can look at how insanely popular sports teams are, to gain an idea how ingrained the idea is in human nature that we should pick 'a side'. Once a side is picked, we tend to justify and rationalize their behavior, and demonize the other side.

  24. There's a third option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he's not corrupt then he's incompetent. Either way, he's not qualified.

    There's one more option: he noticed it and altered the authorities.

    I greatly doubt that's the case but there is that third option to consider.

    Of course, if that were the case, we'd almost certainly already have heard about it, and this would be the end result of an "FBI investigation" and NOT an "FBI sting" so I'm betting he was either in on it or paid off.

    1. Re:There's a third option by gclef · · Score: 2, Informative

      The person who alerted the authorities was a DC electrical engineer that these two tried to include in their scam, and who went to the FBI fairly shortly after their proposal (more info from the washington post's article). Kundra was not the one who alerted the FBI.

  25. I agree by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, he was only CIO of DC for 3 of the 5 years that the misfeasance was going on. Despite this I have to go with the "buck stops" rule. He's responsible by inheritance. If it were not so, delegation of responsibility would no longer work.

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  26. You'd lose that bet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not American.

  27. Many of you commenting are losers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheesh, guys! There was ONE guy in the organization who selected an outside contractor based on kickback money he would then receive.

    How in the world was the CTO to figure that out?!? By all appearances the outside contractor was competent. The only tip-off that there might have been a problem would have been that the services provided were perhaps more expensive than one might ordinarily expect.

    The idea that the CTO should somehow know every little thing that goes on -- including the secret communications between a subordinate and an outside individual -- is RIDICULOUS. The subordinate was perpetrating a crime! Obviously it was in the subordinate's interest to hide this crime from his superior! Suppose you had to perpetrate a crime and keep it secret from your boss at work. Don't you think you could do it, especially if you made sure that the level of the crime could be hidden in the normal level of financial noise or uncertainty? Yes, you absolutely could, and your boss could not reasonably be accused of being incompetent or criminally negligent. (Again, you design your crime to be undetectable to the reasonable level of diligence to be expected from your boss.)

    Given that Kundra is in a position to assist investigators learn more about the perpetrator of the crime, does it not make sense that he take time away from his new job to assist with that investigation? Are some of you REALLY taking his assistance to the investigation to mean that he himself is corrupt? Really?!?

    I think it totally sucks that some of the Slashdot editors see fit to find fault with the Obama administration at every turn -- and that the Libertarians and neocons gleefully jump on the bandwagon to smear Obama and members of his cabinet. You folks don't like Obama. We get it. But holding him and his appointments to superhuman standards is ridiculous. For example, Kundra would need to be psychic to avoid your wrath! Psychic!!

    The very first comment in this discussion is: "Is this Change or Hope ?" THAT IS SO LAME. And the comment made by a person pretending to be disillusioned by the Obama administration (which he thought was supposed to be "rainbows and kittens glued together") IS REALLY IMMATURE. Grow up, you guys. Really. You need to get some integrity, too.

    Anyhow, thankfully our nation avoided McCain/Palin, and Ron Paul, etc. Despite our electorate's insanity (Bush not once, but *twice*! WTF, America?!?), which is ongoing, America GOT SERIOUSLY LUCKY with Obama. Some people will never realize just how deep Bush plunged our nation, and how deftly Obama turned it around. The 8-year setback of the Bush administration involved the whole of the Republican party and its ideas, Fox News and CNN, and much of the electorate who supported them. Obama represents the polar opposite to all of that evil. Simply look at every action Obama has taken as president thus far, and you will see just how intelligent and compassionate his actions are, in stark contrast to those of president Bush (and the decisions that a McCain/Palin administration would have made). Even on an absolute scale Obama's actions as president seem wise and ethical, and I am grateful that Obama ran for president and managed to win.

  28. Elimination by paying political debts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Obama wouldn't have gotten elected if he hadn't successfully been able to garner the support of power bases of all sorts. Those power bases expect a payback after the victory. So Obama nominates them and let's the system weed out the corrupt leaders.

    Obama gets a minor blemish to his reputation but he gains two valuable things. First, the corrupted power players are weakened by the public humiliation and lose much of their lobbying power. Secondly, those weeded-out entities do not hold a grudge against Obama who, after all, held his end of the bargain by appointing them.

  29. Slashdot, manipulated. by Pecisk · · Score: 1

    Two things are very common for slashdot last two months - too much "ohhh how good Windows 7 will be" articles (clearly a organized propaganda using clueless Slashdot editors, but hey, it brings ads money in) and clearly too much "look, look, another *suspicious* persona appointed by eeeeeeeeevil Obama. He is eeeeevil. He is just like rest of politicians. They all are evil manipulative bastards".

    Yes, Obama is not Jesus or not perfect president either. Gosh. But he is best what we can have now. So far I have heard only speculative things about him. All his cabinet is gone trough something like fiveteen times, looking for everyone's smallest mistake. Wow, why you didn't give such hard ticket to Bush? Ohh, because he didn't care. Now we found someone who does and let's make him hard time.

    Isn't that funny when people hype something too much and then lay their anger and confusion when something doesn't go according to their plan? And for paranoia that everything is controled by coorporations and power peole, see "Syriana". We would like to thing that there is some huge in control, because then we could better justify why we are powerless. Because "other people are simply stupid or I am just too paranoid and no one listens to me" doesn't fly anymore.

    Grow up.

    And about Microsoft - already said, Microsoft is geeks 'female fatale' - no matter how it has screwed them over, they keep crawling back.

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  30. Neither by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Typical politicians......CORRUPT. Time for another revolution in this country to take back the government, which has grown out of control. Between politicians, who think they are above the law, and lobbyist who think they can tell politicians what to do by flashing $$$$, we need TERM LIMITS on ALL government politicians. If term limits are good enough for the president, they should be good enough for legislators. The founding fathers NEVER wanted politicians to be a "lifetime" job. When you have these idiots, who "make" the laws, write themselves out of the laws they want the rest of us to live by, then it is time to blow the whole place up, and start from scratch!

  31. Subject by z-j-y · · Score: 1

    Nothing to see here, move along.

  32. Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's fortunate that Vivek Kundra's agenda for transparency within the government is exactly what helped reveal the corruption therein.

    Do we really want to push people who are helping uncover corruption out of the upper levels of government? What sort of message is this sending?

  33. Grima? by LiveChatWithCredible · · Score: 1

    I suspect Kundra is a GRIMA

  34. Politically Correct by algoa456 · · Score: 1

    Kundra was appointed CTO because he is not white and so was a shoe in for the Obama administration There can be no other reason why creating a web site and email distribution for the Obama election campaign qualifies a person for being CTO of the nation.

  35. Yeah, sure. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    You clearly haven't looked at how white is Obama's cabinet.

    But lets pick up in one of the secondary posts assigned by Obama and then bring the dead horse of "political correctness" into the arena.

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