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Feds Demand Prison For Guns N' Roses Uploader

Defeat Globalism writes with this excerpt from Wired: "Federal prosecutors in Los Angeles are pursuing a 6-month prison term for a Los Angeles man who pleaded guilty in December to one misdemeanor count of uploading pre-release Guns N' Roses tracks, according to court documents. Kevin Cogill was arrested last summer at gunpoint and charged with uploading nine tracks of the Chinese Democracy album to his music site — antiquiet.com. The album, which cost millions and took 17 years to complete, was released November 23 and reached No. 3 in the charts. The sentence being sought — including the calculation of damages based on the illegal activity of as many as 1,310 websites that disseminated the music after Cogill released it — underscores how serious the government is about punishing those for uploading pre-release material."

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  1. He should go to prison, but not for... by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't put him in prison for stealing the album. Shoot him for promoting it. 17 years and GNR gives us, what, a big pile of overrated crap.

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    1. Re:He should go to prison, but not for... by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're so right. A kid uploads a CD and should go to prison, but on a daily basis around here the jails are so full they release criminals constantly. They have some sort of computer program that tries to determine the "least bad" crimes and criminals and let those ones out first.

      People here in our county know for most crimes they will "maybe" spend a single night in jail for anything other then murder before they are let go the next day.

      It's a joke around here when litterally there is no room for rapists, drunk drivers, and other 'violent' criminals in jail, but some one uploads some MP3s and OH MY GOD, get him.. Give me freakin' break.


      It's like they talked about on that movie, on COPS (tv show) they'll have 3 cops chasing a guy down the street and beat him to the ground because he just stole $85. But some corporate criminal that steals $85,000,000.00 and well they treat him with kid gloves.

      Some people need a reality check.

    2. Re:He should go to prison, but not for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like they talked about on that movie, on COPS (tv show) they'll have 3 cops chasing a guy down the street and beat him to the ground because he just stole $85. But some corporate criminal that steals $85,000,000.00 and well they treat him with kid gloves.

      Well, to be fair, that $85 won't get you much of a lawyer. But the $85 mil will get you a few good lawyers, and if you work it right, a congressman or two.

    3. Re:He should go to prison, but not for... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I don't understand is why (FTFA) they arrested him with weapons drawn like he's a dangerous thug. What, might he at any moment whip out some freaky pirate-fu and delete them, their kittens and their backups using his bluetooth remote? And this in the same country where any suspected white-collar criminal will be escorted out of his plush penthouse office with a mere "Sir, please come with us."

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    4. Re:He should go to prison, but not for... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny

      What I don't understand is why (FTFA) they arrested him with weapons drawn like he's a dangerous thug.

      The police were probably simply told that they were arresting a pirate. They thought he might whip out a cutlass or try to shoot them with a musket.

  2. RIAA got its wish by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now tax dollars will be used to keep them in business instead of producing decent products. Federal criminal agents will be involved in what is a civil court issue.

    Tho many will say 'good, jail him he's a bad person', few will understand what is really going on here.

    Freedom takes another hit.

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    1. Re:RIAA got its wish by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, really bad. Tell me again: how many bankers, ex-presidents and the like have been arrested at gunpoint for fucking up the economy?

      Yes, none so far. Madoff is gone, and if Jon Stewart has any say more will follow him. There is a disproportionate use of the justice system in the USA. Upload some songs or smoke a little weed and you are a federal criminal. Steal millions or billions from the people's pocket and you simply made a mistake, one that deserves more money to help you out.

      Justice might be blind, but fairness doesn't seem to come with that particular malady.

  3. Re:fp by uxbn_kuribo · · Score: 5, Funny

    it only took two hundred years to go from "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country," to, "eat my asshole." :(

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  4. Gun Point? by areusche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! This has got to be one of the most excessive police actions ever. Sending a man to jail for a non-violent offense. I hate this country's legal system.

    1. Re:Gun Point? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Make them pay the $50 billion out to those investors he stole from. Sell all of his assets, use that to pay for some of it, if he didn't pay his taxes let the government take that out of there. If there is not $50 billion when everything is liquefied, garnish his wages for the rest of his life until he pays all $50 billion. Sure, even if he lives to be 1000 he might not be able to pay all of it, but its better that he has to work towards it being payed off then just being in jail and those who he scammed get little to nothing.

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  5. Shouldn't this be a Civil matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm confused: all the merits of the case are civil in nature. How in hell do they justify prosecuting this man in criminal court? I don't understand: can someone please explain (and prove I'm just dumb)?

    (My logic is that he made no money off his actions, and they were of absolutly no benefit to him.)

    1. Re:Shouldn't this be a Civil matter? by davidbrucehughes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. And that is why we have moved out of the US to a more civilized country. We release all of our material--audio, video and written--under a Creative Commons license, and urge both artists and consumers to boycott the mainstream content providers. They are simply trying to maintain a business model that has been obsolete since Napster. Just let them die.

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  6. years by bigdavex · · Score: 5, Funny


    The album, which cost millions and took 17 years to complete, . . .

    That 17 years can be broken down as follows for Axl:

    16 years, 10 months: lying around drugged out of his mind
    2 months: working on music

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  7. Re:Skewed Priorities by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    an administration that is walking us down the path of socialism

    No, you have an administration that is walking you down the path of corporatism. The difference is that in socialism, the government takes your tax money and spends it on things that everyone needs, like schools, medical facilities and infrastructure, but in corporatism, the government takes your tax money and gives it to people who already have more money than you can possibly imagine.

    The clever bit comes when they tell you that giving money to *everyone* is communism and is bad, but giving money only to people who are already rich is good. That way they can train you to bark like a good little Pavlovian doggie at the eeevil socialists that try to steal money from your corporate masters. Work hard and bark, little doggie, and maybe they'll let you have some scraps.

  8. Re:I't just like that Babylon 5 guy said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or there's this quote:

    "The DVDs grossed roughly half a BILLION
    dollars (and that was just after they put out S5, without all of the S5
    sales in).

    So what does my last profit statement say? We're $80 million in the
    red.

    Basically, by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns
    down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits."

    Is it really pirates who are harming actors, writers and directors, or is it the studios?

  9. Brilliant by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it's not like we have enough people in prison now.

    Our corporate run detention facilities will start losing money is we don't find new reasons to fill them up with relatively minor offenses.

    Half of people in prison are there for violent offenses. That half stays. The other half we need to take a good hard look at just why we're so gung ho remove people from their ability to make a living and pay to warehouse them.

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  10. Re:Skewed Priorities by dforreal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and I fully expect to be modded down for this reply... The Obama administration is HARDLY pursuing a socialist agenda. Political Science 101 would teach you that this is not socialism in any way shape or form... Even if it was, whats the big deal? Social Democratic programs can be implemented in ways that create jobs and reduce the cost of doing business. For example; a universal, single-payer health *insurance* system would reduce redundancy, increase the number of potential patients that doctors could see, improve productivity by reducing lost labor hours due to treatable illnesses and eliminate one of the single largest expenses per-employee that businesses currently have. Despite what the generally libertarian-leaning Slashdot crowd thinks, I would prefer a government funded not-for-profit model over the current for-profit system which costs us all more in the end.

  11. Re:I't just like that Babylon 5 guy said by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I lost some respect for JMS when he wrote that. The thread was in connection with some scripts that he had written for Crusade episodes, which had not been produced. He was complaining about people distributing them online, even though the only studio that had the rights to produce them, wouldn't. His email basically said to me 'I have no more creative output to contribute. Don't advertise my talents as a writer and demand more shows written by me, because I can't create anything new anymore.'

    Babylon 5 was created by someone with a story to tell, who was willing to work hard and struggle to tell that story. Crusade was created by someone who wanted to make money from a franchise. That the two were the same person is a tragedy.

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  12. You should by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Less risk. Is WalMart going to claim each track on that CD you stole is worth $750?

    Steal a CD, you're guilty of a $20 crime. But if you do it with a computer somehow you're liable for (14*$750=$10,500) dollars worth of damage.

    Or in this poor sap's case, 6 months in a federal lockup for daring to offend his corporate masters.

    Amazing, isn't it? That the feds and corporate America are actually making the case that it's better to physically rob a store rather than simply downloading an mp3? It's unreal.

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    1. Re:You should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dunno, I thought the ironic part was that this is the punishment for pirating an album entitled 'Chinese Democracy'... Doesn't this sound kind of like how the chinese handle democracy? :D

  13. Re:Skewed Priorities by xero314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously you know nothing at all about the mortgage assistance programs that are being approved. I can't say I whole heartedly agree with them, as I am getting screwed on both ends, but they are not hand outs to "pay somebody else's mortgages." What they are is financial payouts to corporations in exchange for those corporations to offer lower interest loans to people severely hurt by an unregulated financial industry. Not a single person is getting out of paying for their homes, and keeping them that is, it's only changing loan conditions.

    No one is demanding anything more than has been demanded for the life of this country, as well as others, and that is that the people pay for the benefits of the government. In this case we also pay for the faults of that government, one which we chose I might add. This is the government of the US paying for it's past mistakes of unregulated distribution of resources, thank you Reagan and Greenspan (who at least admitted his mistake and apologized, unlike the rest of the free market economists of the world).

    Oh and since you consider debt relief to be a human rights violation I can't wait to hear what you call forced homelessness and starvation.