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Names of Advisors Cleared To Access ACTA Documents

1 a bee writes "With the White House claiming national security grounds for failing to release ACTA related information, including negotiating documents and even the list of participants, the spotlight is now on just who does have access. Turns out, according to James Love, hundreds of advisers, many of them corporate lobbyists, are considered 'cleared advisers.' The list looks a who's who of captains of industry."

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  1. so much for change... by ph4s3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    weird how things seem to stay the same

    1. Re:so much for change... by conureman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Relax, our Fearless Leaders always do the right thing.

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    2. Re:so much for change... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Funny

      weird how things seem to stay the same

      Nah, it's a zombie movie come to life: Hope and change... hope and change... hope and change... hope and change... hope and change... hope and change... hope and change...

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    3. Re:so much for change... by aurispector · · Score: 4, Informative

      Corporate control that bypasses government via international treaty. Welcome to the new world order.

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    4. Re:so much for change... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      weird how things seem to stay the same

      I was actually willing to give the administration the benefit of the doubt for a while there. I thought to myself that it must be difficult to negotiate a proposed treaty when the press can print every little revision that occurs during negotiations. So I could kind of see the benefit in keeping a treaty's details secret until it was ready to be proposed to Congress.

      But several things have eroded my trust: the apparent inclusion of a anti-rights industry people, the apparent omission of pro-rights people (EFF, etc.), and the "secrets" claim.

      This is like the crap Cheney pulled with energy policy and oil industry groups, but it's arguably much worse because it could become an actual treaty.

      I was hoping that the "Hope I Can Believe In" would make it to the two-month mark, but apparently not. This leaves me really despirited.

    5. Re:so much for change... by oneirophrenos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I began to doubt the whole "change" thing back when Obama started to stack his administration with people from Clinton's and even Bush's administration. I guess change is a relative thing.

    6. Re:so much for change... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I began to doubt the whole "change" thing back when Obama started to stack his administration with people from Clinton's and even Bush's administration. I guess change is a relative thing.

      I was hoping that he brought them in because they know how to get things done, but that he'd force them to get good things done.

      In the case of patents, copyrights, and other issues of freedom, it seems I was tragically mistaken.

    7. Re:so much for change... by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a jaded cynic I have just this to say -

      You voted for one of the Republicans or the Democrats and you expected a change?

      Ha!!! Best scam ever!!! You were duped my friend.

    8. Re:so much for change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "right thing" being whatever it takes to expand the lucrative business of government.

    9. Re:so much for change... by Goffee71 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Being going for ever, may I quote the almost obligatory Blackadder:

      Melchett: Ah, yes, the special mission. At ease Blackadder. Now, what I'm about to tell you is absolutely tip-top-secret, is that clear?
      Blackadder: It is sir.
      Melchett: Now, I've compiled a list of those with security clearance, have you got it Darling?
      Darling: Yes sir.
      Melchett: Read it please.
      Darling: It's top security sir, I think that's all the Captain needs to know.
      Melchett: Nonsense! Let's hear the list in full!

      Darling: Very well sir. "List of personnel cleared for mission Gainsborough, as dictated by General C. H. Melchett:
      You and me, Darling, obviously. Field Marshal Haig, Field Marshal Haig's wife, all Field Marshal Haig's wife's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, and some chap I bumped into the mess the other day called Bernard."
      Melchett: So, it's maximum security, is that clear?
      Blackadder: Quite so sir, only myself and the rest of the English speaking world is to know.

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    10. Re:so much for change... by Spacelem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Scotland we have proportional representation. This system gives us a government that better represents the views of the people, as the proportion of each party more closely reflects the number of people who voted for them. Even better, we actually have six parties with seats, and many more who stand a chance of gaining a seat.

      Proportional representation is not perfect, and it has been accused of resulting in weak governments as the main party is usually small compared to the opposition parties; however, I think it's considerably closer to democracy as the Ancient Greeks saw it, than the choice between two similar parties that tends to exist today. Most importantly, it allows me to vote where my conscience tells me, rather than for the lesser of two evils.

    11. Re:so much for change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 1998, the UK government devolved ruling power to the Scottish Executive, Jackass.

    12. Re:so much for change... by DamienRBlack · · Score: 2, Funny

      You do remember that Hitler ate breakfast too, right?

    13. Re:so much for change... by EllisDees · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you bother to read the article you posted? Here's the second paragraph:

      "Now President Obama's White House has tightened the cloak of government secrecy still further, saying in a letter this week that a discussion draft of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and related materials are "classified in the interest of national security pursuant to Executive Order 12958." "

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    14. Re:so much for change... by skeeto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am still crossing my fingers that some low level person who has access to the documents will have the bravery, forethought, and knowledge to carefully leak them to Wikileaks.

    15. Re:so much for change... by DamienRBlack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perfect response. I don't see why everyone is overreacting. You guys want Obama to fail don't you? You jump on any little thing and scream "see Obama is a failure, he is just as bad as Bush". Well I call bullshit. I think that objectively it is far too soon to make an assessment, but if I were forced to, I would say that Obama has the potential to be a far better leader then Bush.

      If nothing else, I think the PR job he has done is part of being a good leader. If you can't get Americans interested in the debate, lobbyists and special interests will run Washington. Furthermore, he is only one man with limited power. If you thought the "change you can believe in" would entail a complete overhaul of the system when he doesn't in fact have power to completely overhaul the system, then it isn't Obama's fault that you failed to understand the domain he was applying the sentiment to. You might try to blame him for misrepresenting his role as president -- but every candidate does that, if you fail to realize that they are talking about doing things within their powers.

      Basically, all you people that are moaning that Obama has failed to bring change and was a big fraud are the people that never supported him in the first place. Before he was elected you were saying the same things. Now you're all pretending that you were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but that he failed you and disappointed you. He didn't disappoint you, you were always against him. And despite the fact that he is, at least potentially, on his way to a very successful stint as president, you are going to jump over ever little detail ***THAT WAS ACTUALLY SET IN MOTION BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION*** and yell, "see Obama hasn't fixed all of Bush's fuck-ups in a mere 60 days, he has failed and lied and politics is dead".

      To re-iterate the parent:

      In one of his first acts as president, Obama signed a memo saying FOIA "should be administered with a clear presumption: In the face of doubt, openness prevails. The government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure."

      So Obama hasn't decided to spend political capital to fix this particular mess Bush left him yet... can you blame him? He has a lot of messes to clean up, some of them involve the fate of entire countries, others involve the fate of our economy. Is it so surprising that weighed against those your pet copyright reform issues aren't getting the unrealistic amount of attention you want? Now, if Obama starts taking vacations for entire months at a time, as Bush did August 2001, then I'll start becoming cynical. If Obama hurts the sciences, education and foregn relations with short-sited policies based on stories from thousands of years ago, then I'll call myself a cynic. If Obama panders shamelessly to the richest of the rich when the wealth gap is the highest it has been since the late 1800s, then I will start coming to these forums and launch the types of accusations you guys are making. But I suspect that Obama isn't going to do those things. Bush did. I call that change, and yes, it is change I can believe in.

    16. Re:so much for change... by mysticgoat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You might want to hold on to your doubt for a bit longer.

      Carmen Suro-Bredie, who signed the letter rejecting the FOIA request, is a hold-over from the Bush Administration. Could be she never got the memo that things have changed. She actually predates Bush: she was chairing hearings about trade agreements in 1992, and apparently has at least 30 years of Federal Civil Service behind her. She has always kept a very low profile: the only biography of her on the web is remarkable for saying very little and providing no dates at all. These are the hallmarks of a career bureaucrat; the kind of person who works hard, not out of any sense of ideals, or for the good of the team, but to assure that their personal situation will be more comfortable next year than it was last year (no matter who is in charge or what the new goals of the organization are).

      Now that she has stumbled into the Internet's spotlight, it will be interesting to see if there is any change in her career. Her style doesn't seem to fit well with Obama's approach. OTOH, she has been working the same small patch of ground for more than 16 years, so she might know too much to be easily shown to the door.

      The treaty in question has a long way to go before it is ratified. There will be opportunities for Obama to open up the process; let's see if he takes them.

    17. Re:so much for change... by Hordeking · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stop randomly arguing points that you have no idea of. All the States of the USA are part of the United States of America, so by your (non) argument, I guess they have no autonomy of their own either then?

      The States don't quite have full autonomy, and they haven't since the Civil War (a poor name for it, too). The Federal gov't doesn't exercise explicit control, as that would be unconstitutional. However, it gets what it wants via the tax system (16th amendment): It dangles (federal taxpayer) money in front of the states (usually highway funding), and says "if you don't pass a law requiring/prohibiting such-and-such behavior, we won't give you any money."

      As an aside, the US is only two states away from a constitutional convention. I recommend we get two more states on board and try to retake some power from the federal government. It's already far more powerful than intended.

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    18. Re:so much for change... by Hordeking · · Score: 2, Informative

      "As an aside, the US is only two states away from a constitutional convention. I recommend we get two more states on board and try to retake some power from the federal government. It's already far more powerful than intended."

      If this is true (big IF), I think nothing would make me happier. Could you please post where you got this information from. I'm usually on top of all things political in the USA and this one has flown under the radar.

      Seems to be mentioned on a lot of blogs, rather than mainstream news. That makes me take it with a grain of salt. Perhaps the states are calling conventions on different points. I thought I read something like that, and the 32 figure is over the balanced budget amendment (of course, the constitution could be tossed or revised in other ways).

      Here, here, and here, though slightly less credible.

      This is a pretty slow process, and happens at the state level, so I'm not shocked the national news has missed it. This magical 32 number keeps coming up, so I'm guessing there's something to it. I can't confirm it without some help, though. Any thoughts on who would potentially know?

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    19. Re:so much for change... by Hordeking · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you. I always assumed the tech crowd tended to be democrats. You know, with its relations to California and tendency to higher education it seems natural. But judging by this (and other) articles and the way things get modded, I have to come to one of two conclusions: Either the tech crowd isn't as democrat as I thought, or the non-democrat techies abuse their modding privileges more then the democrat techies. I'm not making accusations, I'm just saying those are the only two explanations I can think of. I'll try not to go so far as to extrapolate my assumption to the political world in general.

      Looks like I'm going to burn all my karma on this article. Sigh.

      You may not have thought of a third possibility: That the geek/tech crowd is actively hostile towards both the republicans AND democrats, since they both seem to working against our interests every chance they get. This is to say nothing of liberal vs conservative, which are completely different animals. There really is very little distinction between republican and democrat, if you look at it, and that's why there's so little HOPE(tm) for CHANGE(tm).

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    20. Re:so much for change... by Darby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the reasons I haven't believed the 9/11 conspiracy stuff is that is seems to me essentially impossible for so many people to be involved without a single one having a twinge of conscience to come forward. It gives me pause, though.....

      Please for the love of anything holy, I hope you *learned* something real from this experience.

      Now, I'm not saying that 9/11 conspiracies are valid, just that your reasons for rejecting them were silly, and borderline insane.

      But you really need to have learned that your previous attitude was stupid, ignorant, delusional, and completely unacceptable in an adult and especially in a citizen. It's hard for a lot of people to have even the scraps of integrity it takes to take an honest look at themself and apply those terms to their decisions, but without having the courage, decency, and integrity to do so, you will never stop doing the same damn thing repeatedly for the rest of your life.

      I hope you come away from this experience having learned and grown and realized that this *is* how the world works, this is how it has always worked, and most likely it will always work this way unless you and most of the rest of the people grow up, wake up, and start paying attention.

      You've taken a great step forward. I hope you have the courage to continue, but you will absolutely have to come to terms with how you were able to be so easily duped for so long, how you took an active part in duping yourself and trying to help dupe those around you and support the scum pushing crap like this because you were too stupid to recognize it. I'm not trying to insult you, but unless you can somehow build up the courage to look in the mirror and call yourself out for being that incredibly, amazingly foolish, you will never be able to grow past it. You will rationalize it as "an isolated incident", or some master plot that would have fooled anybody.

      These things are not isolated, they happen damn near every day.

      It's not some master plot, it's every day corruption that you didn't have the courage to look in the eye and call out for what it was.

      I very much hope you have the courage to look at yourself in the mirror and be honest with yourself. The only way you will ever be able to recover your honor and integrity and avoid falling for the same old shit next time around, is to realize and admit to yourself how truly naive, stupid, and ignorant your previous attitudes were.

  2. ACTA the EFF's take.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    Some scary shit from the link:

    ACTA raises serious concerns about citizens' civil liberties and privacy rights. The contents and text of ACTA remain secret, but a document leaked to the public last year shows that ACTA could include stronger criminal measures, increased customs border search powers, and requirements for Internet service providers to cooperate with copyright holders. Some public suggestions from content companies have included requiring ISPs to engage in filtering of their customers' Internet communications for potentially copyright-infringing material, mandatory disclosure of personal information about alleged copyright infringers, and adoption of "Three Strikes" policies requiring ISPs to automatically terminate customers' Internet access upon a repeat allegation of copyright infringement.

  3. I remain confused about all this though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is it that so many 'merkins seem to think that Obama was considered "the second coming"? As far as I could dell, the ones who thought that were about equal in number to those who said that Obama was the New Dark Lord Of Evil (tm).

    I.e. nutters.

    Most seemed glad of a change because it wouldn't be Bush.

    And you know what? It isn't Bush. Even if he screws up as badly as Bush did, it still wouldn't be Bush.

    But the same people who seem to forgive Shrub for being as thick as a yard of treacle or making mistakes are exactly the ones who seem to consider Obama to have been "the second coming".

    1. Re:I remain confused about all this though by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually most of the people who painted him as the Dark Lord of Evil are now the ones complaining about the rest of us treating him as the Second Coming. See, they are so invested in the idea that having a black/Democrat/non-neocon president running things will be the end of the world, that they've assumed the only way the rest of us could vote for him was if we had the same level of opposite worship.

      In reality, we picked him because having lived through eight years of the Dark Lord's reign while the neocons praised him as the Second Coming responsible for revitalizing the American Empire, we just wanted change.

  4. National security? by mishehu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the part that confuses me. How on earth can something that deals with copyright be considered a matter of national security? How can anybody in the gov't say that with a straight face even? It's appalling, and it should be challenged in court NOW.

    1. Re:National security? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 4, Funny

      How on earth can something that deals with copyright be considered a matter of national security?

      Have you ever seen movies with scary monsters in them? Those monsters are actually real, and the MPAA has threatened to release them near D.C. if the treaty doesn't turn out to their liking.

  5. So Obama failed us then ? by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    all that transparency, all that pro internet attitude, and even declarations of support for net neutrality to the extent of making full definitions of it on his website, getting support and donations through the net and actually succeeding to amass the budget needed to beat mccain through those donations and all that, and ...

    so he fails us in the most important thing, at the most important moment, in almost half of those he promised us then ?

    1. Re:So Obama failed us then ? by a09bdb811a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      False hope in a president is your failure, not his.

  6. It's spelled Democracy by DrugCheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's pronounced Corporate Oligarchy

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  7. Change we can believe in! by Seriousity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can we look back in four years time and think of George Bush as a benevolent caretaker in light of the atrocities commited by the new administration? YES WE CAN! -- It's more and more obvious with each news week that all the glitzy promises and election rhetoric that came Barack Obama was a load of meaningless drivel to deceive people - please don't expect things to be better, lest you sink into complacency and don't notice the BS until it's up to your armpits.

    Things are changing for sure, but NOT for the better; certainly not at all in the direction the American public was led to believe. The whole election campaign looked very surreal from here in New Zealand - our election was on at the exact same time. The Labour party had about 3 television ads that were seldom played on television. National didn't have any television advertisements.
    The limits in place in this country to prevent candidates from spending HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in a clear crusade to brainwash the citizens highlighted the ridiculousness of the Obama insanity, while our puppet media sat there telling us more about Obama than about Helen Clark or John Key.

    I sympathize with people that gave in to the herd mentality leading up to the election; these people made an absolutely unprecedented effort to deceive everybody with their silly puppets; because the media climate differs here in NZ it wasn't very hard for us to see through... Heck, every time I watch a video of Obama I feel that it's a movie, it just doesn't feel real.

    I expect the /. crowd to be hold a degree of discernment an order of magnitude higher than that of the average person, yet I urge you all to avoid groupthink and keep your eyes open :)

    Peace from a New Zealander

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    1. Re:Change we can believe in! by Nursie · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Can we look back in four years time and think of George Bush as a benevolent caretaker in light of the atrocities commited by the new administration?"

      So far, no.

      There have been no new wars, no warrantless wiretapping scandals, very little outright idiocy. It's going to take eight years of consistent underhandedness, deviousness and violence before anyone else can get close to the bush administration.

    2. Re:Change we can believe in! by Seriousity · · Score: 2, Informative

      For anyone who wants some objectivity (unlikely to include the parent poster) there's always the Obameter

      Lets see how the Obameter holds up... heres what it says about Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq

      On Jan. 21, 2009 â" his first full day in office â" President Obama met privately with the military commanders in charge of Iraq.
      ...
      After the meeting, Obama issued a statement, included below in its entirety:

      "This afternoon, I met with our ambassador to Iraq, the commander in Iraq, and the overall theater commander in the region in order to get a full update on the situation in Iraq. Key members of my Cabinet and senior national security officials also participated in this meeting.

      "The meeting was productive and I very much appreciated receiving assessments from these experienced and dedicated individuals. During the discussion, I asked the military leadership to engage in additional planning necessary to execute a responsible military drawdown from Iraq.

      "In the coming days and weeks, I will also visit the Department of Defense to consult with the Joint Chiefs on these issues, and we will undertake a full review of the situation in Afghanistan in order to develop a comprehensive policy for the entire region."

      Promise kept.

      Well that's all fine and dandy right? And after he gets the boys out of Iraq he's going to get the boys out of Afghanistan, right?

      A recent article from the LA Times proves enlightening:

      Reporting from Baghdad and Washington -- The U.S. will reduce its military presence in Iraq by 12,000 troops over the next six months as part of the first major drawdown since President Obama announced his plan to end combat operations in the country next year, U.S. military officials in Baghdad said Sunday.
      [...]
      The plan would reduce U.S. troop strength by nearly 10% just as Iraq is preparing for nationwide elections in the fall -- a step that would have been unthinkable at the height of the insurgency but was endorsed in this case by top U.S. military officials.
      [...]
      The plan calls for the number of U.S. brigade combat teams to drop from 14 to 12. Two brigade teams that had been scheduled to redeploy in the next six months will not be replaced.
      [...]
      When the American move is completed, it would reduce the U.S. military presence in Iraq to about 128,000 troops, dipping for the first time below the number of troops in the country before then-President Bush ordered the buildup he referred to as the "surge" in 2007.
      The schedule for the withdrawal represents a compromise between the 16-month timetable President Obama had advocated during his election campaign and a 23-month plan that had been pushed by the military.
      Under the compromise, all combat forces would be pulled out of Iraq by Aug. 31, 2010, but a residual force of 35,000 to 50,000 troops would remain for training and support missions.
      The Iraq withdrawals are crucial to the administration's plans to devote more military resources to Afghanistan, as well as to limit spending at a time when the government is facing record deficits.
      Senior U.S. national security officials are nearing completion of a strategic review of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, a step that Obama has described as an effort "to stabilize a deteriorating situation," one he has implied was neglected by Bush.
      [...]
      Last month, Obama announced plans to send 17,000 additional U.S. soldiers and Marines to Afghanistan -- deployments that would more than offset the troop reductions in Iraq.

      Yep. So

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  8. ACTA is more than copyright by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I pointed out the other day, ACTA is about so much more than copyright. This "counterfeiting" treaty will almost certainly include provisions for stricter controls on generic pharmaceuticals, amongst other things.

    Just take a look at some of the companies that are represented on that list: Eli Lilly, Merck, Monsanto, Schering-Plough... I guarantee they're not there because of pirated CDs.

    Just to clarify, I don't think that changes the fact that the "national security" claim is bogus. It's just further proof of the enormous democratic deficit that exists at the international level.

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  9. Bypassing government via international treaty by qbzzt · · Score: 2, Informative

    The constitution still requires treaties to be approved by 2/3 of the Senate. Quoting from article 2, section 2:

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

    Without Senate approval, any treaty is just a worthless piece of paper.

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    1. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by Verteiron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, and the ratification will pass buried deep inside the Save the Children and Orphans act. Anyone who opposes it will be labeled a child and orphan hater. Probably a terrorist and pedophile, too.

      Sorry, Monday mornings make me cynical.

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    2. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by Duradin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't worry, the President will just issue an executive order stating that the treaty was ratified.

      Really, I don't know why we keep congress around. They just slow down legislation and we've got the President to make laws for us.

      </sarcasm>

    3. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, Monday mornings make me cynical.

      I think you misspelled "realistic".

    4. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by dwiget001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, our current Senate will rubber stamp anything, including passing a bill to grant a representative to Washington D.C, in complete violation of the U.S. Constitution (on and on top of that, TARP, Stimulus, Omnibus spending, etc.)

      Don't expect the current Senate to do anything that might possibly weaken their power and political contribution base.

      For quite some time now, the Congress and Senate have not served the good of the U.S. citizens. And, they have constantly violated their sworn oath to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic...."

      Next election cycle: Each and every Democrat and Republican currently in office should A) not be re-elected and B) neither of the major parties candidates should be voted into office to replace them, vote "some other party or candidate" into office. The Democrats and Republicans are hell bent on completely destroying this country. Wake up people.

    5. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by mazarin5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would have been Bush's regime / posse....

      There's a new gang in town now...

      Just have to wait and see...

      If you want to see what the new gang is up to, I suggest reading this story: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/16/0945237

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    6. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, to really understand them, you should give up stories like "The Democrats and Republicans are hell bent on completely destroying this country." What they are really hell bent on is just staying in power. So yes, vote them out of office. But we need a new conversation to replace the old one, or the "new boss will be the same as the old boss," as I believe the old Who song goes.

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    7. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A few people, notably Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, have been trying to start a movement to oppose current abuses of power. To some extent they're still wedded to the Republican Party, which has not shown itself to be a friend of small government or the Constitution.

      Because the Congress is in fact doing whatever is necessary to buy votes, it's hard to unseat anyone even if they're violating their oath of office. For that reason, it's time to start considering a wider range of (peaceful) options.

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    8. Re:Bypassing government via international treaty by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A few people, notably Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, have been trying to start a movement to oppose current abuses of power.

      Social conservatism is probably the worst abuse of power the US has ever seen.

  10. Re:Let me use a quote I've heard a lot lately by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, it's hardly a "secret" society. We know exactly who the Barons are, and which fraternities they were in.

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  11. FOIA request denied by USTR, not the White House by putaro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The FOIA denial letter is signed by Camen Suro-Bredie. From what I can find, she has been in the USTR office since at least 2004. While President Obama has sent down an executive order that FOIA requests should be responded to in preference to withholding information, that is a new policy and it is going to take some time to get everyone in line with it.

    It will be instructive to see how this is handled now that it has been brought out into the daylight. If the Obama Administration overrides Ms Suro-Bredie and releases the treaty that would be a very positive step.

  12. No, dammit, no by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Every single thing we read, no matter how small and inconsequential, must be read as IRREFUTABLE PROOF!!!1! that Obama is a liar! He said he was for change, and that change didn't happen everwhere, all at once, and in every single nook and cranny of the government! Sure there's the changes at Justice and the release of various memos a docs there. And, ok, fine, the Gitmo thing and probably some other stuff.

    But this one thing didn't change, and that means it's all 100% bullshit! Fascism and censorship!

  13. This is surprising, how? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Government exists for the protection and projection of the ruling class. 300 years ago, the ruling class were post feudalist monarchies. Now it's industrial oligarchies.

    Democracy provides the illusion of control, permitting people to act in ways that seem to benefit themselves as political actors, and thus permitting the hegemony of capitalist industrialist relations to continue as the modus operandi of civilisation, unabated.

    Thankfully geology and nature get to play last, and will make harsh hash of this ponzi scheme called capitalist industrialism.

    Obama is no different than Roosevelt. Contrary to right wing bullshit, Roosevelt SAVED the ruling class from self destruction. Obama is attempting the same.

    RS

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    Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
  14. Don't hold your breath by Quila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the same president who hired two **AA attack lawyers to top Department of Justice positions. That wasn't old, entrenched bureaucracy. That was new Obama-picked bureaucracy and we saw what way he swings.

  15. Don't waste your time complaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of screaming fury from your computer chair, you should be organizing from your computer chair and screaming in the streets. Things will never change so long as people sit back and take it. You don't have to get violent but you need to be persistent. Protests are held against copyright abuse, but they bring in a few hundred people out of millions.

    And don't bother giving examples of why people don't care, start giving solutions to make them care. We need to increase the visibility of the problems this poses. Plaster signs on walls, try to take out ads in news papers / websites, door to door campaigning, conduct nationwide surveys with the right questions, so on and so forth. The public can't form an opinion if they don't know what they are talking about and they certainly can't form an opinion over a situation they may not even know exists.

    It's time for society to start standing up for itself again.

  16. yes it is by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    because copyright/ip is the modern, hard to defend excuse to implement all kinds of controls on public. FISA ? you already have a lot of arguments against it, and you already have strong public opinion shaped against it. you know what it is, you know how they do it, you know how you can stop it.

    but copyright is the new excuse. with it, they can push for implementation of 'controls' that will allow for deep packet inspections of all traffic ( puts fisa to shame ) to 'throttling' of various protocols and even banning certain individuals or organizations off the internet through usage of stuff like 'three strikes'.

    in middle ages, there was religion to use as excuse for controlling the people. in 19th century, it was the nation's interests. in 1950s, there was the commies. the world society has grown out of most of these excuses - they hardly pass as valid nowadays.

    today we have copyright and child porn as the acceptable excuses to push for suppressing public freedoms. public doesnt know what these are yet, cant shape an opinion. and therefore they are the best excuses to use for pushing self centered agendas of interest groups.

  17. Deja Vu by Legion303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  18. Bypassing government via international treaty... by Jaazaniah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure, the wording there from your citation is also important: two thirds of the senators present. If ACTA gets drafted, the 'on-board' senators will simply schedule a weekend or holiday session quietly and hope no one notices. Once in session, even if there's only 3 of them, they could call the vote unanimous of senators present. The treaty portion you quoted simply needs to be re-worded as follows to fix this:

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the elected Senators concur;

    Treaties are a big deal, and cannot be treated with enough seriousness for any country. If this loophole isn't fixed, you can literally kiss your virtual rights goodbye as corporate interests move to change our world to favor their greed and desire for control. Really, people, wake up.