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The Men Who Fix the Internet
An anonymous reader writes "Remember all those undersea cables breaking? PopSci.com introduces John Rennie, who '... has braved the towering waves of the North Atlantic Ocean to keep your e-mail coming to you. As chief submersible engineer aboard the Wave Sentinel, part of the fleet operated by UK-based undersea installation and maintenance firm Global Marine Systems, Rennie — a congenial, 6'4", 57-year-old Scotsman — patrols the seas, dispatching a remotely operated submarine deep below the surface to repair undersea cables.' The article goes on to outline the physical infrastructure of the Internet, including some of its points of vulnerability."
Grounds keeper Willie of the undersea cables, at your service.
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed H
WTF are people dragging anchors around for? I would presume (and could be entirely wrong, as usual) that shallow water cable runs wouldn't be located next to anchorages. Do these sea going vessels have to stop for lunch or something?
And why to we even allow fisherman to drag crap along the sea bottom? I thought industrial level trawling went out years ago?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
While there is loads of critical data that goes through these cables, I feel bad when these guys are working their asses off to make sure that 4chan or youtubes of a chimpanzee riding on a segway gets to its proper place.
Because anyone can still whoop Aquaman's butt.
No, it's because they keep the flow of pr0n running.
On the internets?
Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
Latency is a huge problem with that idea buddy.
There are enough satellites up there that we can get *some* communications without cables. Those satellite links suck at the best of times, though - if nothing else they have horrible latency, and can't approach the huge bandwidth of an undersea cable full of optic fibres. Just like in your own apartment, wireless is cool for convenience and for when you have a kitten (or fishing trawler) messing with your wiring, but cabling is always faster and better for fixed installations.
Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
This is yet another example of the jobs which we rely on everyday but don't give much thought to. Also, this make me really think there is a great job out there to fit everyone. (When the economy improves that is.)
Douglas Whitaker
I might be walking into a woosh here; but radio waves are (or rather carry) data that travels at the speed of light(plus, the speed of light is higher in a vacuum than in fiber). What really kills you with satellites is the distance.
Aye Captain, but I don't know if my poor cables will take more.
One HUGE propblem with satcoms, and why satcom pretty much went away for telephone - latency. A geosync sat orbits at 26200 miles (roughly), making a 2 way trip (up and down) a 52400 mile trip from point A to point B, or making it take a tad over .28 seconds. Now wait for your ACK to come back, another .28 seconds, and think about what you have. A slow, limited bandwith link. Generally, Satcoms have become used in one way "broadcast" type trasmissions (send the 30 minute TV show up, don't worry about the 1/4 second, as they are recording on the toher side) OR "Ad-hoc" communications, where you don't KNOW where the other station will be (a ship on the ocean, a TV news crew that is in Akron today, and Iowa next week, and even then, they try to keep the signals off the birds unless it's breaking news. You try to get it to a local affiliate, and land line it back)
-- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
Oh those kids! Never had to work with a megabit satellite link connected somewhere in Africa and try to send VoIP to America, haven't you?
The latency is not the only problem, there are magnetic storms, other satellites crossing into the sight of yours, bad weather, and so much other crap that I can't even remember.
That is why we need thick undersea cables or all your beautiful iPhones and other gadgets will be rendered totally useless...
Holy crap! The Internet *is* a series of tubes! Evidence:Image from TFA
Satellites are cost effective if you are either:
1. Reaching a broad audience with the same transmission.
2. A large government with cryptic and voluminous bookkeeping designed to hide that you are at a loss.
Just ask the satellite phone companies what happens when you have to listen to that broad audience too.
Modding me -1 troll doesn't make me wrong.
Nope, it's sharks - sharks I tell you! With frickin' lasers on their heads.
What was once true, is no longer so
...is a cool article up on Wired (look for the printable link option so it's all on one page) detailing an interesting adventure around the world and some of the history of undersea cables. Definitely worth a read.
"The article goes on to outline the physical infrastructure of the Internet, including some of its points of vulnerability"
Sean Gorman mapped out the US fiber-optic telco fiefdoms.
Parts of his dissertation where "removed".
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/01/70040?currentPage=2
Getting back to the popsci 'news'
The part I find interesting is the use of 'hubs'
Are hubs (fiber locations?) for cost savings, lazy design, best design for a shareholder when burning tax payers re nation building, collusion between telcos, easy NSA access ?
What do other parts of the world do ?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Iridium puts its satellites in low earth orbits to avoid the latency issue. It's geosynch orbits that are up high. But I do remember making telephone calls that went over geosynch satellite back in the 80's, and the latency is really annoying - you're never quite sure when the other person is finished talking, so you end up talking over each other, and having awkward pauses. When fibre became common, most telcos stopped using satellite.
What was once true, is no longer so
Correct. I forgot to bring up the Low Earth Orbit Sat Phones (aka Iridium), which is another kettle of fish. The big problem there is limited channels, again, your not going to have the kind of bandwith you need for serious internet (note, I said serious, like multiple OC3 stuff).
Interestingly, NATO, with all their Sats, and Iridium (Remember, the US Military basically keeps them in business) is re-looking at HF radio comms. Ultra high speed 24 bit DSPs, and other technologies are making them clearer and more reliable (less dependent on operator skill), and they have the advantage of working when you have a limited sky view
-- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
Everytime we have a connectivity hiccup I am flooded with calls from our users asking "Is the Internet broken?"
It takes everything in my power not to say "Yes. The Internet is, in fact, broken"
Obviously the fix would be to pull backup cables to the satellites instead of relying on that crappy wireless.
Since planes don't have anchors, it would be failsafe.
May contain traces of nut.
Made from the freshest electrons.
From TFA:
"If terrorists managed to gain remote access to a facility's command-and-control system, they could, for example, cause the generators to overheat and explode."
If you can make a generator explode on command, you really are doing it wrong. Backup generators may be able to be remotely started, stopped, switched in/out and checked but you should not be able to do the equivalent of burnouts with them.
Additionally, the article states that catastrophic failures would start to creep in after ~2 days of no human maintenance. WTF? Most exchanges and data centres I've been in are ghost ships 350 days a year aside from upgrades and config changes, how is it that such critical hardware can't tick over by itself for a month or so without going nipples skyward?
Hell, the average telephone exchange, if you nuked everything around it, would be giving dialtone and DSL to the skeletons for at least a week, probably more depending on how much diesel is in the tanks.
There is no music - home taping killed it.
Makes me Fix the internet twice a week.
That would be 'didna'. Dinna means don't. In fact let me fix that for you, Glaswegian style:
I didna baw when ma da was chibbed fur nickin a pig, but am bawlin now :(
Getting chibbed is of course being stabbed with a sharp implement, but it works better since we haven't hung anyone in Scotland for quite some time.
which is totally what she said
They are a printer vendor.
Why don't they get with the times and Internet it?
Oh, they do even better - they now have holograms.
sic transit gloria mundi
You are correct, grasshopper. The speed at which light or radio waves propagate in a medium is determined by that medium's index of refraction, which (as you stated) is 1 for a vacuum. A typical value for fiber is 1.47, so the signal in the fiber travels only 68% as fast as the radio wave in a vacuum. The distances involved with geosynchronous orbits, however, make up for that slower speed. In the time it takes the radio wave to reach the satellite (35,786 km / 300,000 km/s = 119 mS), the fiber signal could've circled the Earth 1.2 times (119 mS * 204,082 km/s = 24,286 km (Diameter of the Earth is approx 20,000 km).
Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
Time-domain reflectometry using a Time-Domain Reflectometer.
Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
"we haven't hung anyone in Scotland for quite some time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_City_Rollers
It's a shame that some crimes go unpunished. ;)