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Best Practice For Retiring RSS Feeds?

GBJ writes "I work for an organisation that runs seasonal online competition events. Each event has its own news feed which becomes obsolete shortly after the event finishes. We're still getting RSS requests for some events as far back as 2004. I'd like to close a few thousand old feeds and remove the resource hit they cause, but I'm not sure what is the best approach. Currently I'm considering just returning a 404, but I have no idea if there is a better way to handle this. Uncle Google hasn't turned anything up yet, but sometimes it's hard to find something when you don't know what it's called ..."

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  1. Retiring feeds by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Retiring feeds
    A phase-out needs.
    As facial bristles,
    Or torn skin bleeds.
    Burma Shave

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    1. Re:Retiring feeds by Larryish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Forward them to a page listings current feeds, possibly with custom tailored advertisement-style links to events or other websites in your network.

      Never waste traffic. At the end of the day, traffic is KING.

  2. 301 by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should be able to do a 301 redirect to maybe some generic feed that just has one entry that says "This feed is out of date, please use try these feeds instead." Or whatever you want to let them know.

    1. Re:301 by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just send them goatse links.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  3. Something simple by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The most appreciative thing you could do for the preservation of history is to place static simple RSS files at those addresses that include a link to your archives for the event.

    IMarv

  4. RTFRFC by kilf · · Score: 4, Informative

    RFC 2616 is the one to read. It specifies a "410 Gone" for resources that are gone for good.

  5. 410 by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gone

    Indicates that the resource requested is no longer available and will not be available again. This should be used when a resource has been intentionally removed; however, it is not necessary to return this code and a 404 Not Found can be issued instead. Upon receiving a 410 status code, the client should not request the resource again in the future. Clients such as search engines should remove the resource from their indexes.

  6. 410 gone by rednuhter · · Score: 4, Informative
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    ERR 411[Max number of witty sigs reached]
  7. HTTP 410, not 404 by kurtmckee · · Score: 4, Informative

    The resource isn't "Not Found", it's "Gone". HTTP 404 is inappropriate in this instance.

    Likely the best solution will be to ensure that people are notified first. If you're receiving a large number of hits, replace the content with a single RSS item that has a guaranteed-unique guid for every single request (say, based on the request time). This way, with each request, people will receive a "new" item that will display as unread, reminding them to unsubscribe from that particular feed.

    After some amount of time, start returning HTTP 410 for all requests.

  8. Aggregate? by Redfeather · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are there more than one contest going at once, that there's a need for multiple feeds? Or, more appropriately, can some of this content not be removed completely? Keeping a full feed archive seems a bit of overkill, especially for closed events from five years ago. Why not PDF the event archive for downloading and keep a single feed for active items? Overpreparation is a growing problem I'm seeing on the web. Far too few people/events/businesses are prepared to minimize anything for the sake of optimization.

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  9. Be evil by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just return an unending stream of crap from /dev/random on your server until it crashes the RSS reader at the other end. After a few days of this I'm sure they'll sort it out from their end :-)

  10. Discontinued Notice Increased Traffic by maclizard · · Score: 5, Informative

    My company has had the same issue. We just wrote out a single item feed that explained that the feed had been discontinued and provided a link to the homepage. We wrote this feed over all the feeds to be taken down.

    Interestingly, in the weeks following this action, our homepage views spiked followed shortly after by increased hits on more active feeds.

    1. Re:Discontinued Notice Increased Traffic by Yaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This seems like the way to go. Assuming that your website drives revenue somehow, throwing away traffic is not smart.

  11. but then you loose the traffic by coryking · · Score: 3, Informative

    No way man. You can't just dump all those people like that!

    Either redirect them to a feed that says "here are some other events you might be interested in subscribing to" or create a last post on the feed that says the same thing. Dumping them with a 410 is a great way to loose your traffic.

    It sounds like in this case, a redirect is the proper thing. Just be forewarned that some readers (cough Google Reader) will redirect, but ignore the "permanent" in "permanent redirect" and will continue to hit the old feed.

    1. Re:but then you loose the traffic by Razalhague · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dumping them with a 410 is a great way to loose your traffic.

      I'd like to close a few thousand old feeds and remove the resource hit they cause...

  12. I doubt it by coryking · · Score: 3, Informative

    Newsreaders are amazingly stupid. Google Reader, for example, will ignore both your "301 Permanent Redirect" and ignore your Atom link="self" as well. Something tells me it will ignore your "410 gone" too. You should test what major newsreaders (MyYahoo, Bloglines, Google Reader) do when you deep-six a feed with a 410.

    Even still, 410 is stupid. A 301 redirect to something generic would be better, even if the readers are too brain dead to get the message. 410="lost traffic".

  13. Imagine the Olympics by coryking · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You've got one feed for updates in each sport or event.

    Imagine horse racing. You are making updates to racing scores throughout the day. Gamblers are monitoring each race. How would you structure this king of thing? One feed per day? One per season?

    What about comments? You've got a feed per thread/story. When the story is closed for comments, what do you do with the feed?

    What about auctions? You've got an auction and every bid triggers a new entry on your RSS feed. When the auction is over, what do you do with the feed?

  14. Yes by coryking · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm supposed to care that with the final turndown your newsreader flakes out?

    Yes. Because if the newsreader flakes out, the *person behind the computer* might blame you and never subscribe to your feed again. We are dealing with people here, not machines. Were are not here to seek spite on stupid newsreaders or "lusers who dont unsubscribe". This is business. Petty bullshit only wastes time and loses money.

    Even if the newsreader was well behaved and did the right thing, you've just stupidly removed your brand from being thrown in their face every time they opened their reader. If you've got like 10,000 subscribers sitting on a bunch of year-old feeds and you cruelly dump them with a 410/404, that is lost mindshare and lost traffic.

    The best solutions are the ones that encourage feed users to keep using your services by nudging them to your new stuff.

    Bottom line is, it is easier to keep existing customers than it is to get new ones. Think about it.