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Smart Grid Computers Susceptible To Worm Attack

narramissic writes "Researchers with security consultancy IOActive have created a worm that could quickly spread among Smart Grid devices, small computers connected to the power grid that give customers and power companies better control over the electricity they use. '[The worm] spread from one meter to another and then it changed the text in the LCD screen to say "pwned,"' said Travis Goodspeed, an independent security consultant who worked with the IOActive team. In the hands of a malicious hacker, this code could be used to cut power to Smart Grid devices that use a feature called 'remote disconnect,' which allows power companies to cut a customer's power via the network. The robustness of US power networks has been a hot-button issue after a technical glitch in 2003 caused a cascading power failure in the eastern United States and Canada that affected 55 million people."

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  1. Oh Seinfeld... by gravos · · Score: 1, Funny

    Pwned! Power nazi say... no electricity for j00!

  2. lazy engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know about these.... they're running windows XP, and are on modems. They call in every now and then to get get updates from the main network.... its' the power grid from the future? More like 1990.

    1. Re:lazy engineering by mangu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      its' the power grid from the future? More like 1990.

      Actually, power systems is a mature technology. The "bible" that every power engineer has is this book, first published in 1955. Notice that the book on sale is the fourth edition, printed in 1982. Nothing is changing very fast in this field.

      The problem that could arise from a large number of Smart Grid computers being pwned is if a worm triggered them off at exactly the same time, this is called a "load rejection" event. It would cause oscillations in the power flow which could end in a blackout but, generally, load rejection is not as bad as generation rejection, which happens when a power plant is cut off.

      Another problem that would cause much more harm to the companies than to users is if the worm instructed power meters to register less power consumption. I see a large black-market arising, if someone figures out how to write this exploit.

    2. Re:lazy engineering by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another problem that would cause much more harm to the companies than to users is if the worm instructed power meters to register less power consumption. I see a large black-market arising, if someone figures out how to write this exploit.

      I miss the days when hackers were just doing things for lulz.
      Society would be better off with merry pranksters breaking things because they want a big splash and lots of attention. And usually, the bigger the splash, the sooner the fix.

      Organized criminals, exploiting the same flaws, want secrecy and this is bad for society.

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    3. Re:lazy engineering by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I miss the days when hackers were just doing things for lulz.

      Problem is old time hackers did things for money, too. Pricing details here:

      In 1971 Steve 'Woz' Wozniak designed a device called the 'Blue Box'. It allowed -- of course illegal -- phone
      calls free of charge by faking the signals used by the phone companies. His friend Steve Jobs instantly realized that there must be a huge market for something that useful. He bought the parts for $40, Woz built the boxes and Jobs sold them to his fellow students at the University of California in Berkeley for $150.

      This well known anecdote is what made me think of the market for an electricity meter hacking device. $150 in 1971 dollars would be about $800 today.

    4. Re:lazy engineering by sjames · · Score: 1

      That's just the beginning of the problem. Imagine a hot day in the south. Air conditioners shut off one by one so that nothing terribly alarming happens. A few calls come in, repair visits are scheduled, no big deal.

      Somewhere around 7:00 P.M. when everyone is home, and wondering why their A/C isn't running, suddenly every A/C in the region comes on all at once.

      Further, imagine they THEN all start randomly cycling (but in perfect sync to maximize load fluctuation).

      Really bad day for the grid.

      Further dangers will exist if these devices provide a way to get into the SCADA system.

    5. Re:lazy engineering by freaklabs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And of course you can buy the old Radio Shack auto-dialer and replace the crystal. That turns it into a red-box where you can emulate the DTMF tones that signal coins being dropped into the slot.

    6. Re:lazy engineering by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good luck finding a working payphone.

    7. Re:lazy engineering by jeffstar · · Score: 1

      the 'smart' meters i've dealt with allowed remote disconnect, but remote re-connect impossible. Re-connect could be enabled remotely, but someone had to operate something physical to re-connect the customer premise.

      I think they didn't want to go about re-energizing customer premise remotely in case someone had said "oh house is disconnected I will do this electrical work since all wires are dead".

    8. Re:lazy engineering by sjames · · Score: 1

      That depends. I have seen remote interrupters for things like air conditioning used to shave peak loads. Those can certainly reconnect remotely. In one place I lived, the local co-op would give you a discount if you agreed to let them install an interrupter and they promised that the A/C would never be off for more than 30 minutes in any hour.

    9. Re:lazy engineering by jeffstar · · Score: 1

      hmm, i've been looking for a 2 channel smart meter with load control relays on both channels so I could have remote disconnect and use the 2nd channel for dispatchable loads like hot water that could then be billed at a lower rate. Maybe I'll check out remote interrupters.

    10. Re:lazy engineering by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of them still around, they're just not as ubiquitous as they used to be.

    11. Re:lazy engineering by Bigmilt8 · · Score: 1

      I work in the power industry with these devices. They are not Windows XP.

  3. If you build it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they will come.

    1. Re:If you build it... by hort_wort · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I think at this point a hacker going into it is doing a service. Showing the vulnerabilities of a system before it becomes critical to the country in a few years is a good thing.

    2. Re:If you build it... by freaklabs · · Score: 1

      I agree. Instead of being covered up, this kind of thing needs to be brought into the open and the vulnerabilities need to be studied and understood. That's the quickest way to get them fixed.

  4. So if this is in the meter (?) by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    How long before there is a brisk trade in black-market meters and the little seals to make them look official? The power co owns the meter... I suspect making a filter will be unworkable ;)

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    1. Re:So if this is in the meter (?) by peragrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bribe just about any good electrician if you want one of those seals. I can put my hands on four of them for upstate NY in less than an hour. (only minor B&E involved as I know where they are stored for one electrician.

      Also if you are good most of those seals can be opened and closed with regular tools. It takes a bit of patience, but is possible.hence why when they really lock you out they use padlocks now. Of course I bet with the right bribe one could get a copy of even those keys as they are most likely keyed the same.

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    2. Re:So if this is in the meter (?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A power company employee showed me one of their smart meters here while back. It has a GPS tracking device built into it. If you move it from where it's supposed to be, it reports back to the power company. Also, the meter is paired with your service address, so they know when another meter is substituted. They're going to be using remote-read so that the meter continuously reports its status and your usage. They know your usage patterns and can tell when usage changes.

      Black market is going to be a lot harder with these puppies, and this is just the beginning of what's possible.

    3. Re:So if this is in the meter (?) by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Black market is going to be a lot harder with these puppies, and this is just the beginning of what's possible.

      I remember reading an article about a guy getting caught stealing an intelligent sprinkler control system which was WiFi equipped because he didn't disable the remote monitoring feature. Hilarity ensued. I don't suppose hacking these meters will be any more challenging than hacking cellphones, though.

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  5. risk mitigated by ease of bypass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this were to happen on a large scale, large enough where I'd be without power for days, I have no problem breaking the seal on my meter and bypassing the damn thing until the power company comes by and fixes it properly.

  6. Glitch? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wasn't a glitch, it was negligence! Cheap cost cutting measures, enabled by foolish deregulation: Trees were not trimmed around critical power lines, the lines were cut by falling branches, and then a cascading failure spread through the grid.

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    1. Re:Glitch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similarly, the blackout of 1965 was caused by cheap cost cutting measures, enabled by foolish regulation.

    2. Re:Glitch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and that negligence/glitch caused cascading power failures in just about every country in the world for a two-week period afterwards? (including a several-hour outage in my home town, London). I really do think not. Cast your mind back - it was far from just a US event. Glitch/negligence my giant, hairy ass.

    3. Re:Glitch? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Similarly, the blackout of 1965 was caused by cheap cost cutting measures, enabled by foolish regulation.

      No: The cause of the (1965) failure was human error that happened days before the blackout, when maintenance personnel incorrectly set a protective relay on one of the transmission lines.

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    4. Re:Glitch? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

      the lines were cut by falling branches

      Apparently I had that bit upside down; it was the power lines swinging low, not branches falling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Blackout_of_2003#Sequence_of_events

      And here's a piece about why regulations are good and should be enforced: http://www.ontariotenants.ca/electricity/articles/2003/ts-03i08.phtml

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  7. Asinine by Samschnooks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Should one of these security bugs be made public, it wouldn't just be dangerous, it would also be expensive, costing utility companies big money as they went back and retrofitted their buggy systems, Pennell said.

    Let me get this straight. Pennell wants the bug to kept undisclosed because it will be too expensive for the utilities to fix. Yet, someone whose clever, maybe those folks who hacked into the grids in other countries, may do it to the utilities here in the US; which will be vulnerable because the bug is "too expensive" to fix. Meaning, that the grid is vulnerable and subject to the damage that everyone is afraid might happen since the bugs exist. I guess if the bugs are kept secret, no one else is capable of discovering them because nobody is as smart as the researchers?

    OooooooKaaaaay. Riiiiiiight.

    1. Re:Asinine by ThreeGigs · · Score: 1

      Um, citation please? Nowhere in the linked article (sorry, I know I wasn't supposed to read it, but I was curious), does it say anything about being expensive to fix. In fact, it says nothing at all about repair cost, which may merely involve a firmware update which could be deployed remotely.

      From TFA: "Many of these devices are already deployed and it would be too dangerous to make the bugs known"

      And I agree. I think the last thing anyone needs is some 14-year-old scriptiddie tuning downtown Los Angeles into the world's biggest blinkenlights display.

    2. Re:Asinine by ThreeGigs · · Score: 1

      OK, my bad. Pennel *did* say in the last line that it'd be expensive to fix, although I'm unsure how well a security researcher can estimate retrofit or update costs, especially since I can guess the manufacturers will recover some significant part of the costs from the manufacturers of the devices.

    3. Re:Asinine by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Um, citation please? Nowhere in the linked article (sorry, I know I wasn't supposed to read it, but I was curious), does it say anything about being expensive to fix. In fact, it says nothing at all about repair cost, which may merely involve a firmware update which could be deployed remotely."

      From TFA:

      "Should one of these security bugs be made public, it wouldn't just be dangerous, it would also be expensive, costing utility companies big money as they went back and retrofitted their buggy systems, Pennell said."

      That would be the last sentence.

      I do not feel sorry for the utilities if they deployed a buggy system that created a national security problem. I would hope that any promise to keep the exploit secret was matched by an immediate effort on the part of the power companies to correct the problem, and to have a third party perform additional testing to discover other possible exploits; clearly, that is not what happened.

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    4. Re:Asinine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beleive it would be a huge cost to retrofit-update all meters at once in a big hurry if bugs were made public.

  8. Should I be sad? by stokessd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has the potential to suck for the consumer as people could now mess with our power. But after living in several places over the last decade, and being charged $25-$100 to "turn on" my power which is effectively just a change of name on the record at the central office, I can't say I'm shedding a tear for those folks.

    Sheldon

  9. This shows the weakness of anything centralized by cavehobbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This demonstrates the weakness of centralized power grids, like big hydro, big nukes, big coal, big solar arrays beaming power down to Earth, Big solar arrays covering the desert, or any other huge centralized 'answer' to our power generation problems. They are all vulnerable to DOS attacks or attacks on central points of weakness like power lines. It takes just one well crafted weapon, whether kinetic, EMP, radiological, chemical-explosive, cyber-viral-worm, etc., to plunge large populations into darkness and chaos.

    Monolithic thinking leads to monolithic engineering, (not to mention monolithic politics), that concentrate your vulnerabilities and limit your flexibility in responding to problems.

    Better to have many smaller, locally distributed sources. They make it far more difficult to attack them. Looks like Edison was right and Westinghouse was wrong. At least partially. Too bad we went with Westinghouse, at least so far as the centralized generator is concerned.

    This is a challenge that evolution, free markets and democracy all respond to with good answers. Authoritarian structures like organized religions, socialism/communism and autocracy in general all respond poorly to.

    This is also a vulnerability of the Internet, with its centralized DNS name servers. I wish I was knowledgeable enough to come up with a solution to that one.

    1. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Ashriel · · Score: 1

      This is also a vulnerability of the Internet, with its centralized DNS name servers. I wish I was knowledgeable enough to come up with a solution to that one.

      Wouldn't the easiest get-around for DNS be to stop using domain names, and instead refer to everything by its IP address? I know it's not pretty to look at, but it's no worse than remembering a telephone number.

    2. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by barzok · · Score: 1

      I know it's not pretty to look at, but it's no worse than remembering a telephone number.

      How many telephone numbers do you have memorized?

      How do you propose that when a website changes IPs, that change be broadcast to everyone?

    3. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't the easiest get-around for DNS be to stop using domain names, and instead refer to everything by its IP address? I know it's not pretty to look at, but it's no worse than remembering a telephone number.

      Until for technical reasons you have to change the IP address of your website or balance requests based on location or load.

    4. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by mspohr · · Score: 1
      A large percentage of power generated by big power generators (dams, nuclear, coal, etc.) is lost in transmission over long distances... this is not efficient.

      It's much more efficient to generate power close to where it is used with small scale power plants (solar, wind, etc. are good for this).

      This gives you a distributed grid of generators and consumers. The grid only has to shift power small distances (with correspondingly low loses) to cover local variations in power consumption and generation. It's very efficient... kind of like the Internet with wires instead of tubes :),

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    5. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by doshell · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is also a vulnerability of the Internet, with its centralized DNS name servers. I wish I was knowledgeable enough to come up with a solution to that one.

      The DNS name servers are not centralized. Perhaps you are thinking of the root servers, but those hold only a few records for the TLDs; in order to resolve "slashdot.com", the root servers only know about the ".com" part. Besides, 99% of the queries you make do not ever reach a root server, because you are using your ISP's name server, which does caching. Precisely because it would be unworkable to make every query depend on the DNS servers "above".

      The current problem with the DNS is one of security, but that has nothing to do with it being centralized (indeed I would argue it is easier to secure a centralized system than a decentralized one...)

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    6. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by doshell · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the easiest get-around for DNS be to stop using domain names, and instead refer to everything by its IP address? I know it's not pretty to look at, but it's no worse than remembering a telephone number.

      Yes, wait until the anti-IPv6 crowd hear about that one ;)

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    7. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, that's time to change this way to do things. This is the reason I have harnessed a whole flock of squirels to run in a large squirel cage linked to a damn big dynamo which produce enough power to fill my needs. And you know what? It just costs me peanuts!

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    8. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Informative

      One, we have roughly 10,000 power plants of all types in the US.

      Two, transmission losses are roughly 10% (up from 5% 40 years ago, largely due to a failure to improve the transmission grid on par with the increase in load).

      And three, I'm pretty sure the efficiencies being talked about earlier are related to economies of scale. That is, you can build a large power plant at a cost much cheaper per unit of capacity than a corresponding number of small plants.

    9. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by dtmos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Decentralized power generation is a major part of the Smart Grid initiative. See, e.g., the Galvin Electricity Initiative.

      Since power generated in a grid cannot be effectively stored, it must be used when generated. This forces today's utilities into a large control problem, in which consumers' needs (in the form of measurements of line voltage and frequency, sampled throughout the network) are fed back to centralized control points and used to control the output of a relatively small number of generating plants (and current sent along individual transmission lines). Control of this system is moderately well understood, if one accepts that certain heuristics have to be used -- along with occasional human judgement. Considering its complexity, this is one of the great engineering achievements of the 20th Century.

      Decentralized power generation, however, is a completely different type of control problem. With millions of potential generators, the existing control algorithms fail completely; further, as part of the decentralized control algorithm the utility needs to communicate with each power meter (a.k.a. potential generator) in essentially real time, to control any power it may generate.

      Having a meter that bills the customer only for the net of power used and generated is termed "net metering." This exists today, but cannot achieve wide-spread use without better communication with the meters. Utilities like net metering, because they get additional generating capacity without paying for new power plants.

      The Smart Grid, with its communication to individual power meters, effectively enables net metering: Homeowners can generate their own power, use what they need locally, then sell any surplus to the utility for use by others. The meter can inform the utility how much power it is supplying at any time, a number used by the utility to maintain network stability. If the utility has no use for the power at that moment, it can refuse the offer, again by communicating with the meter.

    10. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Interesting proposition. I wonder how many IP addresses the shared hosting server I have a few websites on would need if that happened.

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    11. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Ashriel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would certainly classify 10% loss as a large percentage of inefficiency; in most companies I've worked with, the minimum acceptable efficiency seems to be 93-95% - granted, I'm not talking power generation and transmission in those cases.

      That is, you can build a large power plant at a cost much cheaper per unit of capacity than a corresponding number of small plants.

      Absolutely. But we're talking initial outlaying of funds here, not maintenance, upkeep, or fueling. More to the point, with generators every few blocks in a city; one or two for every town in the country, the costs are completely removed from private business and placed onto the citizens and/or local government (meaning, again, the citizens). We should be paying for our own power generation directly, rather than paying a large authorized monopoly to charge us for the maintenance and inefficiency of an unnecessary power structure.

      Such a cellular power structure is impervious to large scale failure, and with interconnects, it would become fairly difficult to cause even local power failure.

      No doubt the costs would be greater, but they'd be diffused across the entire population, and the energy itself would be cheaper, since there's no need for profit. Most importantly, I would think that the security and stability of such a system would be more than worth the additional cost.

    12. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by cavehobbit · · Score: 0

      Why control it centrally at all?

      Design it so that each generator source get paid for what it generates and each consumer pays for what it takes, and can not get what is not there?

      The only information needed is quantity produced vs. consumed, with a dumb port to release power flow upon demand to a request. If there is not enough to satisfy a request, nothing gets distributed.

      Seems like this could be done easily with old technology in a way that would be more difficult to hack than new technology with everything run by centralized servers running complicated windows or unix OS's.

      Just because you can do something does not mean it is a good thing to do. New technology for the sake of new technology is not in itself justification for that new technology. Unless it does something better or cheaper just being new is not enough. Increasing your vulnerability to a DOS attack does not seem to fit the idea of 'doing it better' to me.

      so far as storage goes, yeah, that is a problem. But if enough people have reason to work on the problem, someone will come up with a solution, perhaps many solutions. Just having higher prices during peak usage, paid by consumers and paid to producers is an incentive. Right now that incentive does not really exist with our centrally controlled and regulated infrastructure.

    13. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by cavehobbit · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was thinking of both and conflated them.

    14. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by cavehobbit · · Score: 1

      Since I swapped to all LED and CF lighting I have been able to downsize to chipmunks

    15. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with increased competition to put their new super efficient power generator on your block, innovation blossoms and the price of your power goes down. Maybe.

    16. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by cavehobbit · · Score: 1

      With the advent of always-on internet connections and mobile devices with wi-fi, etc, plus easy to implement encryption, I wonder if we may not be far from being able to create something new, kind of like a cross of usenet and fido-net, but without the centralization that fido has with controlling nodes.

    17. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by sjames · · Score: 1

      10% loss may seem large, but it isn't when compared to the greater expense of having more smaller plants.

      OTOH, the argument for greater resiliency may have merit even if it does cost more. However, it won't likely be perfect local self-sufficiency even if it started out that way. Many growing towns will find themselves with insufficient local power but not enough demand to economically build a new plant yet. Others will face shrinking populations and an overabundance of capacity.

      All the same, in the event of grid failure, a town that has a shortfall but has installed interrupters for residential and business A/C and other more or less 'optional' loads would be better off than one that depends entirely on the grid.

      Large scale storage capability would also help a great deal. The 2003 blackout would have been a fairly small event except that as the grid failed, power plants tripped offline, some because they were running full power and suddenly had nowhere to send it and others because they couldn't hold up the load by themselves and they lost the help from the grid too fast to shed local load and remain running. In either case, a large storage capacity that could source of sink the difference for a few minutes would have made a huge difference. Instead of the entire northeast blacking out for days, there would have been much smaller blackouts lasting hours.

    18. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Since power generated in a grid cannot be effectively stored, it must be used when generated.

      Actually power companies are actually banking on Electric Vehicles with their massive battery packs of storage as being integral portions of the electrical grid so that they will finally be able to store large amounts of electricity.

      Decentralized power generation, however, is a completely different type of control problem.

      You're right but I don't believe that the problem is that complex. If each house is a power generating station using Solar Panels, Wind Turbines, etc... then such a house would only need to 'import' the shortfall during times when it is in high drain. It is also possible that such a house could 'export' when in times of low drain/high production.

      I do not forsee too much 'decentralizing' of the energy network. If they were to do this then individuals would become less dependent on the utilities and the government because they would not be able to just cut their power like they can these days. Giving people independence is not something that corporations or governments are prone to do. Expect to see more 'Smart Grid' stuff put into place but expect the electric company to charge you for using the electricity that you yourself generate.

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    19. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      Denmark produces 20% of their power from wind turbines scattered all along the coast.

      That's about as de-centralized as you can get. A good example, if us in North America would like to do the same.

    20. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by dtmos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you'll find the control problem, whether centralized or distributed, is orders of magnitude more complex than you envision. The hard part isn't the economic part, it's the electrical part: Maintaining a constant amplitude (i.e., voltage), frequency, and phase over a large (both in geographic area and node order) network, with limited ability to transfer power from one point to another, is a very difficult problem -- especially when one has limited control over the applied load, and limited generating capacity. Not to mention all the problems with reactive power due to the uncontrolled nature of the loads (frequently inductive) and the phase delays that occur over distance. Much more information is needed besides "quantity produced vs. consumed."

      The "can not get what is not there" option is amusing to utilities. The more common name for this option is a "brownout" or "blackout" and, even if only local, they typically result in nastygrams sent to relevant regulatory bodies, political officials, and the press. They are therefore to be avoided. From an engineering standpoint this is typically achieved by finding someplace where power is available, and making it available where it is not. This requires a network of transmission lines. The second major headache of utilities today (and related to their first headache, lack of generating capacity to meet their growing loads) is that the transmission system frequently is operating near peak capacity and, during the peak times (usually July afternoons in the US), it is getting more and more difficult to get sufficient electricity to the right places to avoid the "can not get what is not there" option.

    21. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by dtmos · · Score: 1

      Actually power companies are actually banking on Electric Vehicles with their massive battery packs of storage as being integral portions of the electrical grid so that they will finally be able to store large amounts of electricity.

      Very true. This is not a panacea, however, as utilities' peak load is typically around 5 PM (1700) local time, when most cars are not attached to the grid, and most drivers typically would plug in their vehicles in the evening, a high-load time. Solutions to the latter problem, including simply standardizing communication and control protocols of vehicle's chargers so that utilities can control when they turn on and off, have already been proposed.

      I'm not arguing that distributed generation is a bad idea -- on the contrary, I think it's a good idea, and the way of the future. However, my point is that it will require a different, and more sophisticated, command and control system than currently exists. Having millions of generators capable of going on- and off-line uncontrollably is not a way to present clean, reliable power to those who need it. One (relatively well-studied) problem is that the generation of power from these sources would not be independent -- on sunny days, for example, people generating via solar power would typically generate more power than they need, and offer their surplus to the utility. However, since they are all generating all the power they need themselves, the utility has less need for this power -- its value exists only in its lower cost (to the utility) relative to other generation methods, to be supplied to non-solar users (typically concentrated loads like industrial plants). This correlation in offered power from ostensibly independent sources would need to be characterized and compensated for in the design of the utility grid. Similarly, if the solar generators are all in the suburb or rural areas, and the loads were in concentrated urban industrial areas, transmission facilities would need to be present between the rural and urban locations -- which is not, typically, where they are now.

    22. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Well I do not know why peak load is at 5PM when everyone presumably gets off work and goes home. I suppose with smart grid technology it would be possible for a utility to remotely turn off the lights in office buildings when someone forgot to do so thus saving some electricity. As long as there is some sort of manual override so that if someone is working late they can keep their light on.

      I agree that things are more difficult to deal with. The fact is solar power is designed to basically reduce the dependency on the electrical grid to make it so that generation can be toned down thus saving energy/fuel.

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    23. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by kitgerrits · · Score: 1

      Actually, this bug demonstrates the vulnerability of a distributed system, not a centralised one.
      If there was one central computer to control them, the machines would have been set up
          for a single administration point, which would disallow the attack in question.
      Because a lot of 'outside machines' are regulated by a big semi-public network,
          the remote machines can be abused to create chaos.

      Creating a grid of small machines means that the small machines need to be as pridictable (monolithic) as possible.
      This means that a hack for one of them will also work for the others.

      Farmers are still free to set up their own wind farm and push spare power into the grid,
          provided they play by the local power company's rules/system.

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    24. Re:This shows the weakness of anything centralized by greed · · Score: 1

      In Ontario, summer peak load is around 4:15 PM, there's another, smaller, peak around 8-9 PM in the evening. The first peak comes about as you get the people on early shifts (7-3) starting dinner, turning on the TV, having the air conditioning come back to full, and so on. But that's happening while stuff is still going on in offices, shops, and the rest.

      The second peak in the evening is suspiciously close to when the utility has asked us to delay using the dish and clothes washers, clothes drier, and so on. It's also after dinner, so the natural time for doing those things anyway.

      I see today, though, the first peak was around 10:30 or 11:00 AM, and the day's high demand is projected for 9 PM. Maybe it's because manufacturing is down, so it's mostly white-collar stuff happening on the grid.

      But then, it was cold this morning, so more offices will need extra heat at the start of the work day. Especially if they keep the heat down for the weekend. Plus, March Break just ended, and there's probably some catching up to do--videos need to be put on You Tube, photos to Flickr, and maybe some office work, too.

      (The evening peak is generally residential load. Heavy industrial load will be overnight, when power is cheapest, and Hydro will co-ordinate with smelters to make sure the demand doesn't drop below minimum base load. To the extent that, once, they actually _paid_ companies to switch on arc furnaces and bauxite smelters.)

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  11. Nothing to see here, move along... by dtmos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is non-news.

    There is no single "Smart Grid" device technology. At present there are many proprietary solutions from many different vendors, each using different communication protocols, computer hardware and firmware, and security methods. Each one of these vendors has its products in a very, very small fraction of the utility meters in the nation, most of which, of course, have no Smart technology at all. So the fact that these guys found one architecture vulnerable to a particular stack-overflow attack is bad for the vendor(s) that use it, but not indicative of an approacing nationwide catastrophe.

    Smart Grid system standards are under development, however, and those doing the development are exceedingly aware of the need for high security. The IEEE, for example, recently started a Smart Grid standardization effort, P2030, and the IEEE 802.15.4g Smart Utility Neighborhood Task Group effort is already underway. Since the utilities lose revenue -- potentially all revenue, plus destruction of capital assets -- if their equipment is cracked, they are very much a part of these standard development activities, and security is of constant concern. (There will undoubtedly be an industry consortium tasked with reviewing implementations of these standards.)

    1. Re:Nothing to see here, move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ya lol. lemme tell you, industry standards in this business (and most of the other heavy industry) is a bag of bullshit.

      totally vendor-pushed, and ofc the PHBs doing the assessing are, at best, unknowledgeable.

    2. Re:Nothing to see here, move along... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Since the utilities lose revenue -- potentially all revenue, plus destruction of capital assets -- if their equipment is cracked, they are very much a part of these standard development activities, and security is of constant concern. (There will undoubtedly be an industry consortium tasked with reviewing implementations of these standards.)"

      Ironically, even in the face of lost revenue and destruction of equipment, power companies do not take security as seriously as you would have us all think. In some countries (including the UK, as I recall) the power companies began to deploy meters that required the insertion of a smart card in order to release power, with the idea being that customers could get "prepaid power." As it turns out, many of these systems were vulnerable to replay attacks and clever customers could get free power after purchasing two cards and simply alternating them. The meters would only remember the last nonce used, rather than every nonce; the reason was cost-cutting and an assumption that nobody would actually try alternating a pair of cards.

      I doubt that the companies here in the US will take security any more seriously than those in other countries. The engineers might recommend better security -- assuming they have a background in security engineering -- but the managers will only see that an extra million dollars will be spent to prevent an "obscure" attack that seems like something nobody will ever figure out. That is assuming that the managers even understand what the engineers have told them. Even if the IEEE recommends a secure system, corners will likely be cut that will leave the system vulnerable.

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here, move along... by dtmos · · Score: 1

      I think the difference is that in your example the cost to the utility of the attack is that the attacker, and only the attacker, gets free power. That's obviously not what anyone at the utility wants, but until the number of people attacking in this way steal enough power that it costs the utility more in power than it does to equip everybody with more secure cards, it's actually the correct business decision to let the few steal.

      In the Smart Grid example, the entire grid could (conceivably) get pwned; it's hard to think of a level of security that would not be justified to save your entire network. There's a psychological difference, too: Most "security" efforts are really just a posteriori face-saving methods or CYA activities. Big PHBs think in big terms, and would view a loss of "their" system very personally.

      I can't speak to the P2030 effort, but be advised that after the WEP debacle, no standard gets through 802 without a thorough security vetting. It's not a formal process, but no one wants to repeat that error. (Making new errors is conceivably acceptable, but remaking old, very famous, errors, not so much.)

      A final point: One of the features of Smart Grid technology of most interest to utilities in the second and third world isn't decentralized generation or load shedding but the detailed metering capabilities it provides, enabling the location of "power leaks" to be determined with high precision. (There are utilities from which 50% of power generated is stolen. Theft leads to higher rates for everybody, which leads to still more theft, which...)

    4. Re:Nothing to see here, move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't a stack overflow, it was a bunch of amateurs that sold a cheap wireless meter device to a major utility. Said utility did not perform due diligence and rolled it out, when the vendor in question tried selling to another client, that client performed due diligence by hiring IOActive to audit the technology.

      This is a game ender event for the vendor who created this device, the cost of replacing all the devices in the field is greater than their company is worth. IOActive is responsibly not disclosing this exploit to the public since it could be used against the thousands of customers who already have one of these attached to their meter as well as destroying the infrastructure.

      Do you know what happens if thousands of homes are all disconnected at once? That much power can cause a lot of damage with the load suddenly removed. Sure not every utility uses this exact device, but from what I understand a major one has this device deployed in several markets.

      Remember how long it took to restore power to New Orleans? This is a serious threat to national security, to pretend otherwise is foolish.

  12. This won't affect the smart grid... by freaklabs · · Score: 5, Informative

    The attack in question is a side-channel attack that is limited to using a microcontroller with an external 802.15.4 radio that includes an encryption engine. The actual AES-128 algorithm wasn't broken. Instead the vulnerability is that the AES keys are sniffed on the exposed bus when you load the keys into the radio's registers. Contrary to popular belief, you can't take over the nation's smart grid from this attack, and it would be difficult to even take over your neighbor's meter unless you broke into his house. I have more info on my site where I respond to the hack from Travis Goodspeed. The blog post is at http://freaklabs.org/index.php/Blog/Misc/Clearing-the-Air-About-Hacking-Into-The-Smart-Grid.html

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    1. Re:This won't affect the smart grid... by smallfries · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it isn't, and if you had read the article instead of the summary before you tried to pump your own blog you would realise that what you describe is not the issue here at all. This is *not* the side-channel attack that your post talks about.

      Here are some basic clues:
      1. It's a worm
      2. It can spread from device to device over the network
      3. No external hardware is required, the exploit is purely software (see points 1 & 2).
      4. Goodspeed is not mentioned in connection with his side-channel attack on AES, but for some theoretical work on possible vulnerabilities.

      You fail.

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    2. Re:This won't affect the smart grid... by freaklabs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhhh...I read the article. If it were a pure software exploit. It wouldn't be an expensive issue to fix as mentioned in the last line of the article.
      And if you read my blog article, you'd see that smart meters aren't able to communicate with each other and instead communicate on the utility's backhaul.
      And if you read my blog article, you'd see that Travis Goodspeed posted a blog article of his own detailing a side channel attack on 802.15.4.
      Uhhh...personally, I don't care if you read my blog or not, but since programmers normally try not to repeat themselves, you might want to check out my blog for details on this.

    3. Re:This won't affect the smart grid... by freaklabs · · Score: 1

      p.s. you succeed.

    4. Re:This won't affect the smart grid... by freaklabs · · Score: 2

      Hmmmm...I now realize that posting on Slashdot after I'm dead drunk is not a good thing...oh well...huzzah!!!

  13. Re:I have a penus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I'm interested in your bowel movements too. Could you provide updates as conditions warrant? I'm interested in texture, size, firmness etc. Also a report on the subtle changes in fragrance is a big plus in my book.

    Keep those updates coming, and Thanks in advance!

  14. Frightening by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many of these devices are already deployed and it would be too dangerous to make the bugs known.

    and:

    Should one of these security bugs be made public, it wouldn't just be dangerous, it would also be expensive, costing utility companies big money as they went back and retrofitted their buggy systems, Pennell said.

    I love how they think that not releasing this information makes them safe. This is truly scary: Not like some Internet Explorer exploit on a user's desktop - this is the power grid! Someone is telling us that a remote hacker can take-over the entire power grid, and the companies are not going to stop everything and fix it? Holy crap that's negligent!!!

    It will be a heck of a lot more expensive to NOT fix this, than to fix it.

    (Yeah, I know, "preaching to the choir")

  15. Was MS Windows Involved? by forrie · · Score: 1

    Am I mistaken, or did I read somewhere that these units were running a version of MS Windows? That alone would be shocking (horrifying).

    That would be problem one, securing the operating system (use Linux).

    I also wonder what, if any, logging and monitoring they are utilizing, or anti-virus (I'm guessing none).

     

    1. Re:Was MS Windows Involved? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Or do what Apple did and use BSD as the base so you can avoid the GPL entirely.

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  16. Cause of the 1965 blackout by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The cause of the (1965) failure was human error

    "Cause" can be defined in several different scopes. When one reads a death certificate, for instance, the cause of death could be listed as a hemorrhage in the brain, or one could say the cause was a bullet, or a drunken brawl which ended in a gun being shot, etc.

    Instead of saying a wrongly set relay was *the* cause, perhaps it would be best to say it was a precipitating factor. If that relay had not been set wrong, there was a large number of factors that could have triggered a similar blackout.

    I guess what the AC called "foolish regulation" was the fact that electricity prices were set by law at such a low level that discouraged investment in the power system. Low investment means, among other things, that technicians will not receive good wages, they will not be motivated enough to pay close attention on what they are doing and will commit mistakes.

    Low investments also mean that companies will not build new power plants and lines. They will try to stretch existing systems to the limit, reaching a point where relatively small failures might cascade to system-wide blackouts.

    Generally, when people bemoan regulation or deregulation they are looking at just one side of the issue. If you regulate, then you must make sure that the regulations will not kill the companies. If you deregulate, make sure to deregulate *everything*, including prices. The problem with what has been called "deregulation" is that removing the regulations that impose quality levels while keeping regulated prices is more or less guaranteed to cause failures in the system.

    1. Re:Cause of the 1965 blackout by sjames · · Score: 1

      The problem is that regulation can cut profit and re-investment. Deregulation tends to increase profits, but is only loosely associated with increased re-investment at best.

      Most people got the memo that the big problems in California were due to Enron shenanigans rather than partial de-regulation. Second in line is NIMBYism followed by partial de-regulation itself as a distant third.

  17. corruption and 'alignment' by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bribe just about any good electrician

    Erm... evil, maybe? :)

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  18. Other nations are happy by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    We have done SO MANY things wrong over the last 8 years. This is but one more item. You would think that by this time, they would push to use the electrical grid itself, with a back up on the federal internet. Nope. Just more garbage that was pushed for far too long.

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  19. a technical cascading power failure glitch by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "The robustness of US power networks has been a hot-button issue after a technical glitch in 2003 caused a cascading power failure in the eastern United States and Canada that affected 55 million people"

    The nature of the 'technical glitch' was using Windows NT SCADA units to relay info over the Internet in the middle of the Blaster worm infestation. As was demonstrated in the earlier MS SQL Server 2000 worm infestation of a nuclear power plant.

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    1. Re:a technical cascading power failure glitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The power failure had NOTHING to do with Blaster, no matter how many of your conspiracy theory magazines you've read say it did

  20. Who didn't see this coming? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    These devices aren't even close to being in the mainstream yet. Personally I don't see any reason they could ever be made "secure" because by their very nature they need to be "accessible". These devices should NOT be allowed to become popular or mainstream. It's nobody's business but yours, the bill-payer, how much electricity you're using or what you're using it for, and nobody outside of your home should be allowed to control when your HVAC or clothes dryer is running. Create more energy-efficient devices? Yes. Continue to educate the public into being more energy conscious? Absolutely. Generate more power and manage the power grid more intelligently? Yes. Shut off an 80-year-old invalid's air conditioner in the middle of a July heatwave? Absolutely NOT. Shut off someone's clothes dryer so they're late to work because all their work clothes are still sopping wet? Absolutely NOT.
    Technology may be the answer, but not THIS technology.

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    1. Re:Who didn't see this coming? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      As long as this is voluntary...

      Some people would be happy to set their HVAC controls to the power company to let them adjust them up/down a degree or two from where they set them. There should always be an override at the site too.

      Remember sometimes the companies would be using these to prevent blackout/brownout conditions. If your power goes out completely then you have no HVAC or clothes dryer anyways.

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  21. the lone operator went to lunch .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    'An operator corrects the telemetry problem but forgets to restart the monitoring tool'

    This from conclusions in the report by the investigating task force. This is BS, the reason the 'operator' disabled 'real-time status of the power system' was to 'conduct a manual check of the network' because they were fully aware an incident was in progress, in the middle of which he then .. incrediously ... went to lunch and forgot about it.

    "We have no clue. Our computer is giving us fits, too," replied a FirstEnergy technician identified as Jerry Snickey. "We don't even know the status of some of the stuff (power fluctuations) around us."

    "I called you guys like 10 minutes ago, and I thought you were figuring out what was gong on there," the MISO technician, identified as Don Hunter, complained, according to the transcripts.

    'FirstEnergy's operators were unaware for over an hour that they were looking at outdated information on the status of their portion of the power grid, according to the November report'

    'no such call was made or warning given. I have confirmed that by having my staff listen to control room operator tapes'

    'At 14:02 EDT .. One of MISO's primary system condition evaluation tools, its state estimator, was unable to assess system conditions for most of the period between 12:37 EDT and 15:34 EDT, due to a combination of human error .. and could not issue appropriate warnings'

    I think he means the screen froze ...

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  22. even lazier engineering by cybernanga · · Score: 1

    put the coin signal DTMF tones, on your mobile phone or MP3 player. ;-)

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  23. Whoever thought those punk-asses could be useful? by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

    I never liked the idea of the power companies having this kind of control. Maybe those little punk-asses (the kind who give hackers a bad name) are doing a public service by discouraging this sort of thing?

    Then again, I expect the ones with the money invested to sweep the problem under the rug, which will eventually end in disaster when an exploit is released for all the kiddies to play with.

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  24. "Remote disconnect" - implications by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hadn't been aware that "remote disconnect" was being incorporated into electric meters. Read this industry analysis of remote disconnect" for background. The "risk items" list doesn't even consider the implications of hostile attack.

    The purpose of "remote disconnect" is to get more control over customers. Utilities are considering using this to enforce collection, and even for prepaid electric service. It's another way to tighten the screws on poor people, like prepaid cellular and paycheck loans.

    There's another feature, current limiting - draw too much current and the power cuts off. The current limit can be set remotely. When someone gets behind on their bill, the power they can use is limited to survival levels until they pay up.

    Vulnerabilities in the remote management system could be a serious problem. Will the keys be kept in a Microsoft system? If you thought it was bad when credit card numbers were stolen, what happens when someone steals the meter key database? The meters have to be physically visited, one at a time, to reset the keys. And who would do that? The meter readers get laid off when this goes in.

    1. Re:"Remote disconnect" - implications by Animats · · Score: 1

      More on "remote disconnect":

      A utility statement, from Southern California Edison: Application of Common Criteria was considered but deemed impractical to formally apply due to schedule. Much of SCE's process is borrowed from the Common Criteria. Choosing robustness levels. Graduated sense of robustness. Not requiring vendors to take to someone for certification.

      In other words, no outside validation of security, and no compliance with even the minimal Common Criteria standards.

    2. Re:"Remote disconnect" - implications by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      So will these 'disconnect/reconnect' fees disappear because all it takes is them pressing a button or two to turn things off/on instead of having to send a tech out to do the same?

      I agree though, such things are rather despicable way to punish the poor. Particularly if 'survival levels' are lower than survival requirements and who gets what 'survival level' is? Probably the CEO.

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    3. Re:"Remote disconnect" - implications by dtmos · · Score: 1

      No, the purpose of "current limiting" is to get more control over the system peak loads, since the utilites (for a variety of good reasons, including environmental and regulatory concerns, and a variety of poor reasons, notably NIMBY problems) have been unable to increase generating and transmission capacity as fast as peak loads have been increasing.

    4. Re:"Remote disconnect" - implications by turminalillness · · Score: 0

      Not only is remote disconnect incorporated into meters, but add-on collars allow us to retrofit existing meters by inserting them between the meter and socket. The list of risk items associated with remote-disconnect doesn't include "taliban attack" because it's assumed that the server controlling remote disconnects is as secure as the server that processes credit card information. We dont list it because its a standard IT delimma, not a remote disconnect specific danger.

      The purpose of remote-disconnect is to quickly and effectively remove service from people who dont pay for its use, using the least amount of employees possible. Here's a newsflash for you, remote disconnect or not, if you don't pay your bill I will send a lineman to shut you off. It will be done today. We called you twice, sent the letter as required by law, probably even left a door hanger. If you are home when the lights go out, you can pay the lineman cash or check and hell be back tomorrow to turn you back on. We have to make sure your check clears, that you paid enough to be current etc.

      With remote disconnect you can call the office with a cellphone as soon as the lights go out, pay with a credit card and I'll turn you back on in 10min. In addition, remote disconnect allows us to offer a new service called "pre-paid power" you pay us $100 and you can use $100 worth of electricity then you are disconnected. Remote disconnected allows us to work out a deal with your grandfather, well turn on the irrigation pivot at his farm at a time he specifies, and leave it running for as along as he can afford. He doesnt have to leave the golf course, or stop watching the grandkids to attend to watering the back 40.

      The connect/disconnect fees remain, we have to pay for the phone calls, voicemails, letters, door-hangers, remote disconnect collar, bandwidth, and inside office staff that spend all day hassling you over $50. This fee is also to punish you for violating your contract with us, which stated you would require our service and pay for its use. Some outfits have lowered the fee to reflect the loss of the lineman in this chain because their pay is a considerable expense.

      The "survival level" is set by a federal commission and overseen by a smaller state commission, and our lending institution's power of the purse. If we dont follow the rules on disconnect notification and survival levels we would be fined, lose our charter, or our bank would refuse to loan us operating money.

      Nothing has changed here, except we turn you off faster when you dont pay. This keeps rates lower for actual paying customers. We dont need to squeeze poor people, we have rich oil companies to squeeze right now.

  25. Danger on 24 * (365 - 1) by Rondo+the+Barbarian · · Score: 1

    Could be a real problem if terrorists exploit this weakness on any day of the year except the one on which Jack Bauer is working...

  26. Security of the Security Reasearcher's Systems? by Ryzzen · · Score: 1

    The IOActive research will probably never be released publicly: Many of these devices are already deployed and it would be too dangerous to make the bugs known.

    Hopefully they've tested the security of the computers that are storing this data. Wouldn't it be ironic if the IOActive computers were hacked and criminals got a hold of their worm?

  27. Re:I have a penus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think your wang is even moderately tumescent.

    Enjoy your erectile dysfunction.

  28. Who is really at fault by Orne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dammit, I'm getting sick and tired of this. Since I was involved in the 2003 blackout investigation for an outside utility company, here's what happened:

    • First Energy (OH) had some lines trip. Because of a race condition in their EMS (Electric Management System), the program never recognized that the lines tripped. Their State Estimator locked up, giving the dispatchers false information. Their redundant backup had the same code, used the same inputs, and got in the same race condition, and there was no watchdog system like Tivoli to measure that the systems were not outputting data.
    • Outside companies who observed odd flows on their systems tried to commuinicate with FE regarding the trippings, but FE said that the trippings were a data error (not recognizing they were real)
    • An hour and a half later, the grid split due to additional overload trippings in FE, and it all went to hell
    • FE executives begin spinning the story so fast you could have generated electricity if you stuck magnets on them
    • In the investigation, they found that too many companies were not adequately protecting their SCADA systems (it was so convenient to put the controls on VPN so you can work on an issue remotely), despite this was not one of the root causes.
    • Six months later, the government issued a report saying every utility was at fault, gave FERC the ability to set industry standards, and gave NERC the ability to fine companies a $1 mil/day for violating those standards.
    • 5+ years later, we're all reacting to these CIP (Critical Infrastructure Protection) standards, which are all poorly defined, everyone's paranoid they may be violating something (which = fine), and so they're all overreacting by clamping down on anything that looks like a SCADA violation.

    I'm tired of all this editorializing that thinks that this stuff is related, but it's not. The root cause was incompetence at FE -- cutting budgets so hard they got rid of tree trimming, failure to communicate properly in emergency situations, and lack of situational awareness -- combined with an over-reaching government that thinks the underlying communcations networks are unsecured. The "technical glitch" was an AIX UNIX machine with poor ICCP error handling, a message queue that failed to empty, and dispatchers that weren't trained how to handle the lack of data. DHS runs one test (Aurora) where they pretend to take over a generator with SCADA, then over-excite it for like an hour before they got it to spark, then suddenly they think the whole grid's at risk so they can get more government funding to justify their existence.

  29. Remote Disconnect is the whole point... by Orne · · Score: 1

    Umm, you are incorrectly applying TCP/IP bandwidth demand to electricity demand. If the distribution company simply wanted to disconnect customers, they have breakers already in place to take care of that. But shutting off a retail customer violates the PUC agreements, and gets the utility in hot water (even if the customer isn't paying, but that's a separate issue). Utilities already measure peak customer current, and they build their systems to handle it. It's actually a fully recoverable expence -- why would a utility company limit you when the the PUC allows them to install a new transformer and charge you for it? It's the core of the electric service agreement. Not to mention that 99% of the electric grid communications runs on a private fiber network of UNIX machines.

    Smart Grid is supposed to make retail customers sensitive to wholesale real-time pricing. It's like off-peak metering on steroids.

    Here's the problem: Energy is Generated at Wholesale rates, sold to a Distribution company at wholesale rates, at real-time (hourly-fluctuatiing) prices. The real-time price is the intersection of real-time demand with real-time supply (Generation), with an inelastic demand curve and a price-elastic supply. The Electric Distribution Company (EDC) sells that power to End-Use Customers (EUC) at retail rates, at annual pricing (with some itemization depending on your state's PUC/utility retail agreements). The EUC's have no market impetus to actually conserve energy -- why should they, they are paying the same price to run an air conditioner at 1PM as watching TV with the lights on at 11pm at night -- yet the wholesale prices for the EDC are vastly due to peak/offpeak conditions. At its extremes, you end up like California in 2001 where your market blows up because the EDCs are getting charged more for electricity than they collect from the EUCs.

    Let's say I am an End-Use Customer running an office building. The utility comes to me and says: "I know you are on retail rates with no fluctuation in price. If you can voluntarily cut some of your demand during the middle of the day, I (the EDC) will pay you (EUC) a piece of the difference in what it would have cost me with the higher demand vs. you not consuming and me having a lower demand. All you have to do is put your air conditioning on the second circuit hooked up to a Smart Meter. When the real-time price goes above $200/MW, I (the EDC) will cut your demand, and restore it when the price comes back down." The EUC (1) makes money from the EDC, (2) pays a smaller electric bill to the EDC. The EDC pays a smaller electric bill to the Generators, and keeps their annual cost lower.

  30. oh noes!! not my by nimbius · · Score: 1

    smart grid! whatever will i do without my smart devices?? i wont be able to surf the smartnet!!!

    one more slashdotter turned off by buzzwords, and hence refuses to RTFA.

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  31. Always wondered... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I always wondered why the grid had such a thing as load balancing feedback, which when the grid itself
    has a sector that goes down, it kicks into overdrive by jumping on the next grids load. I understand being able to let people keep having power, but I think the thing with that is if (we have seen in the past 55 million without power) we were to have 1 or 2 failures that pushed over the limit of the next grid, the cascading effect takes place and wipes out the whole grid.

    I prefer separating each sector but putting in a fail over backup generator like system that if a sector in the grid goes down, those 1000s of people are without power without risking the rest of the grid, and a backup kicks in supplying minimal power at peak or emergency times or sequence (maybe hospitals get fist dibs etc...), until the repairmen can come in and fix the problem.

    Or even put a load balancing volume indicator, so that if the broken down sector comes unto another
    sector's load, it can only take maximum xxx amount of power and nothing more...

  32. "despicable way to punish the poor" by delcielo · · Score: 1

    I don't know if these regulations are federal or state; but in many jurisdictions (maybe all, don't know) there are laws against turning off the power when it gets too cold. Here in Kansas at least, it's actually called the Cold Weather Rule. The company has to send personnel out to turn meters on. So no, the power company is not despicably punishing the poor. Even if it wanted to, it couldn't.

    Smart meters offer a lot more than simply remote disconnect. A great deal of what they offer is related to their reporting abilities. Standard meters don't communicate at all. They simply spin dials which often are still read manually. Slightly more advanced meters can report to a truck that drives down the street, or across the grid itself to the utility company. But most of the installed meters out in the world are simply dumb circuits with a spinning dial on them.

    A smart meter will allow you to view your usage by hour or quarter hour, depending on how many data points your utility company wants to keep. This will allow you to participate in programs that increase off-peak usage. It's better for you and for the utility both if we can flatten the graph on power generation through the day. With smart meters, the company can offer incentive programs that reward the off-peak usage, or programs that might let you participate in other ways. You might be able to install a thermostat that talks to your smart meter and adjust it remotely. Or you might get lower rates in return for letting the utility adjust your thermostat 2 degrees either way during peak times.

    When a storm blows through, the smart meters can provide an accurate measure of impact because they're all "ping"able. This will reduce restoration time, especially for those who are on their utility company's "life support" list; people who rely on power for oxygenators, or need refrigeration for meds, etc.

    The company can use the smart meters to help measure line loss and know better when to upgrade old distribution lines. It will be easier to detect theft, which really costs the rate-payer.

    So no. It's not a big illuminati conspiracy to beat up on poor people. If anything, it displaces meter readers, who are good hard-working people just like you.

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