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Universal Remote's Days Are Numbered

theodp writes "While the universal remote has served humanity with distinction, its days are numbered, and your smartphone is to blame. Whether you want to control your music, your television or your PowerPoint presentation, there's probably a solution using your phone. Try as it might, the universal remote simply can't navigate the digital world the way the smartphone can — it's a lot easier to put the remote's abilities in the smartphone than vice versa."

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  1. Yeah.. by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But a smart phone has limited "hard" buttons. .. and as nice as touch screens are.. it's hard to operate them lying in bed through one half-open eye.

    Personally I`m waiting for voice recognition to become practical. I think that's more the future of how we control our devices.

    1. Re:Yeah.. by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love articles that proclaim the impending death of $TECHNOLOGY just because you can now use some other device as a half-assed supplement.

      Yeah, I really want to be lying on the couch underneath a blanket, and fiddling with/rolling over onto my touchscreen smartphone. Also, show me a smartphone that has the battery life of a good old remote control that can last for months or more.

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    2. Re:Yeah.. by narcberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. Universal remotes also crash less, require less charging, and are more likely to be found near a tv instead of in the pocket of the owner or charging in a different room.

      This article is retarded (as in handicapped, not special).

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    3. Re:Yeah.. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We have a voice recognition system where I work. In the intended environment it works fine but when we took it to a trade show to do demonstrations we found that it copes badly with background noise.

      So I wouldn't want to use one to trigger the mute function.

    4. Re:Yeah.. by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agree. Most people are barely capable of understanding the functions of their remote and lose it at most dumb-phones. Now they really want to teach them the intricate workings of an abstract user interface for a smart-phone remote emulation? Don't think that will work..

    5. Re:Yeah.. by home-electro.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Definitely most retarded non-story in the last couple of weeks.

      Smartphone as a remote is a niche application for mega-geeks who will become bored with it very shortly.

    6. Re:Yeah.. by DavidD_CA · · Score: 5, Funny

      Naysayers!

      I've completedly ditched my dedicated DVD player, 42" flat panel, and the rest of my home theatre system, because I can now watch movies on my SmartPhone.

      I have also thrown away my desktop computer, because my phone can access the web and everything I want is on the web. Likewise, I've given away my PS3 and X-Box 360 because my smartphone has games on it.

      Next week I'm having a garage sale, and will be selling most of my tools, too. My smartphone makes a very effective hammer, measure, and leveling device... and I'm certain that my carrier will soon be selling accessories to replace my screwdriver, chain saw, and plow.

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    7. Re:Yeah.. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love articles that proclaim the impending death of $TECHNOLOGY just because you can now use some other device as a half-assed supplement.

      Yeah, I really want to be lying on the couch underneath a blanket, and fiddling with/rolling over onto my touchscreen smartphone. Also, show me a smartphone that has the battery life of a good old remote control that can last for months or more.

      Not only that, but my universal remote has real buttons that I can navigate in the dark easily; doesn't walk out the room when I leave; and can be use by somebody else while I am on a call.

      You are right - just because some new tech can sorta do what existing tech can does mean it will replace it. A IR smartpone could also replace you car key as a remote - I don't see that happening very soon either.

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    8. Re:Yeah.. by kiddygrinder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      theoretically you should be able to make a smart phone *easier* to navigate, since the buttons can be context sensitive. Not that i have ever seen any evidence of this ofc.

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    9. Re:Yeah.. by Kreigaffe · · Score: 4, Funny

      voice rec? no thanks.

      i don't want to have to pause a conversation to say "scroll down" or "change to channel X" when I can just hit a button or two while I still talk to someone and do the same thing.

      Pushing buttons is easier than talking. And a lot easier late at night or early in the morning. And your TV won't ever mistake a casual conversation with someone for a command to record cinemax late at night that leads to questions about why exactly that program was DVRed..

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    10. Re:Yeah.. by horatio · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally I`m waiting for voice recognition to become practical. I think that's more the future of how we control our devices.

      You mean you haven't programmed your device to recognize commands such as

      • Turn off the TV, dear
      • Make me a damn sandwich
      • More ale, wench!

      Well, what are you waiting for?

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    11. Re:Yeah.. by not+flu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How does making the same buttons act differently based on context make them easier to use? I don't see any logic behind this.

    12. Re:Yeah.. by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These generally get pretty good reviews (it's not a smartphone, but it's programmable...):

      http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/377&cl=us,en

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    13. Re:Yeah.. by spideysense · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I really want to be lying on the couch underneath a blanket, and fiddling with/rolling over onto my touchscreen smartphone.

      That's why you need a Snuggie! Those old fashioned blankets make it impossible to do simple things like change the channel or answer a phone.

    14. Re:Yeah.. by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative

      are more likely to be found near a tv instead of in the pocket of the owner

      That seems to me to be a very important issue that might not occur to people quickly. What if someone else is in my house and wants to watch TV? Do I have to leave my cell phone with them? Or do they have to reprogram their phones?

      It's very convenient to have a simple, cheap, dedicated device to serve a single purpose. It can just sit there, ready to fulfill its duty.

    15. Re:Yeah.. by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Are you too stupid to use a blanket? Were you born in the darkest jungle and have therefore never heard of a robe? If you said yes to both of those questions, boy do I have a product for you! CALL NOW!"

    16. Re:Yeah.. by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have to disagree. I spent 50 bucks for a bluetooth keyboard, and I have an old Gyration 3D RF mouse which at the time was $79 bucks. The mouse is a pain in the arse and often sends the mouse scurring in some random direction because it's 'level' sensor sucks or whatnot. I tried a touchpad bluetooth mouse I read about on /. but the range was horrible and my dog eventually ate it. I just bought an app based on TFA ;) I had no idea folks were writing WiFi apps to control HTPC's. All I can say is it's about time!

      For 3.99 I now have a full remote keyboard and touchpad mouse that seems to work VERY well. I could care less about charging as I only need the mouse or keyboard to open a video or whatnot. A few seconds of use will not add any substantial 'drain' to my iPhone. It also appears to close the app when I closed the remote software as it asked me to re-authenticate each time I launched it until I told it to save my password.

      For those that are interested, I went with "Zemote" for $3.99. Much cheaper than the $24 dollar app mentioned in TFA. It comes with basic paring security (password over WiFi on a custom port), keyboard, touchpad mouse functionality or tilt mouse functionality..whichever you prefer, and a media remote for Win Media Center, WMP, VLC, or GOM.

    17. Re:Yeah.. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does making the same buttons act differently based on context make them easier to use? I don't see any logic behind this.

      I imagine he's referring to those remotes that have more buttons than Mr. Spock's science station. I just moved and the cable company gave me a new DVR with Remote. Same damn thing, but maaaaaaan, this remote has a lot of buttons for fuctions I'm not using right now. It is easy for me to picture something like a PDA running a nicely designed interface for what I'm doing. If I'm watching a DVD, for example, I don't need the buttons that are all about changing the channels or setting up the DVR. In that context navigation would be much more simple and intuitive.

      There's also the matter of setting up the remote. It's not the hardest thing in the world to tell a universal remote what brand the tv or whatever is, but it sure would be nice to just grab it from a pulldown.

      I agree with the spirit of your post in that I personally don't think there's a huge NEED to consolidate remotes. At the right price range, though, it sure would be nice. If my appliances used RF (bluetooth or even 802.11), my iPhone could easily control them all and the stuff I'd buy in the future. That's kinda neat and it most certainly would be easier to use than this stupid lump of over-designed plastic I have controlling things right now.

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    18. Re:Yeah.. by Metabolife · · Score: 5, Informative

      With effective use of the vibrate function, it can replace your spouse as well.

    19. Re:Yeah.. by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I have a Harmony 550 that cost $50 that ANYONE can use. It's not just me! And if I leave the house with my phone? Someone else can use the TV and all of my entertainment system pieces, including my MythTV machine.

    20. Re:Yeah.. by Hooya · · Score: 2, Funny

      What would upset the balance and thereby the (relative) peace in the world is if they make it so that it's easy to re-program any phone to talk to any device.. well, my wife's phone would be able to control the TV! Oh the freggin humanity!! Wives can't be relied upon to change the channels!

      The remote is the modern day specter a man holds in his castle - anything to upset that and it'll be Armageddon, I tell ya!!

    21. Re:Yeah.. by fractoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, show me a smartphone that has the battery life of a good old remote control that can last for months or more.

      Most importantly, show me a smartphone that'll let me change channels in the 45 minutes after my mother's called my mobile and asked to talk to my wife.

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    22. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      doesn't walk out the room when I leave;

      I know they're called mobile phones but this is ridiculous.

    23. Re:Yeah.. by janrinok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In which case, the 'Universal Remote's' days are far from numbered, unless you are already an iPhone user.

      Seriously, my remote cost only a small fraction of any telephone device. I could probably use the argument that the days of the car are numbered now that space travel is here. It might be true, but I'm prepared to bet not in my lifetime or in the lifetime of my children. There is absolutely no justification on the grounds of cost and, as others have already pointed out, it is actually simpler to use the remote than a iPhone.

      Although many people think that the mobile/cell phone is an essential item, I know that the majority of my friends and acquaintances do not agree. We do not own one - why on earth should we? There is the much cheaper landline telephone and internet communications including VoIP and email. I have never felt the need to be in contact with everyone else when I am traveling by public transport and my life is very pleasant having periods when I can enjoy the peace and quiet of being alone.

      Now, get off my lawn....

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    24. Re:Yeah.. by Laurence0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you considered using a Wiimote to control your HTPC? That's what I do, and it works very nicely. The agent on the PC can be run in demon mode, meaning it stays loaded, so you can turn the wiimote off when the film starts, to save battery, then just hit the buttons on it to reconnect them. Pointing at the sensor bar works rather nicely, and for HTPC stuff, like starting a file playing or clicking occasional menus it's quite adequate.

      I'm currently using it under Ubuntu 8.04, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work in any Distro.

    25. Re:Yeah.. by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had one of those remote watches when they first came out. Great for 5 minutes play.

      The best part about them was their ability to 'jam' other people's remotes. I think I costed my mates a set of 'worn out' remote batteries each time I visited.

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  2. Tim, my man... by oldhack · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel you, man. It sucks to post these non-stories, but it's slim picking and what you gonna do?

    That's it, right?

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  3. Like my grandma is going to buy a smart phone... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of people that won't buy a smart phone to operate all their devices.

  4. And nothing of value was lost. by Xtense · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know how it works in the US, but in Europe (or at least where I live) there are 348576384756876 different, conflicting coding standards for infrared messages, so the only real place for your Universal Remote is in the trash can.

    Not that I condone using phones for remote control...

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    1. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The UK has a president?

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    2. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by drsquare · · Score: 2

      The UK system works now? I thought we had a tyrannical unchecked government elected with 35% of the vote.

  5. Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    While the screwdriver has served humanity with distinction, its days are numbered, and your hammer is to blame. Whether you want to control your nails, there's probably a solution using your hammer. Try as it might, the screwdriver simply can't hammer the nails the way the hammer can -- it's a lot easier to put the screwdriver's abilities in the hammer than vice versa.

    1. Re:Fixed that for you by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Depends on the screw and the nail, and the hammer and the screwdriver. A lot.

      A small machine screw isn't very suited to a hammer, but a framing nail isn't very suited to a screwdriver. If you give me a sledge, a drywall screw is going to work an awful lot like a nail (but you hold the screw).

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  6. Not really. by Zouden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I want to change the channel on my TV I'm not going to muck around with the 'remote' app on my smartphone. I'm going to pick up an actual remote and press the button.

    Smartphones are great for a lot of things, but proper remote controls have a set of fixed, tactile buttons that respond instantly. Versatility isn't worth much if it's a pain to use.

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  7. Modding the article by Looce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there was a way to mod articles, I'd mod this -1 Troll and -1 Flamebait.

    The universal remote has its uses, the smartphone has its own, and, last I checked:


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    • people still play DVDs for entertainment, and the universal remote still works on set-top DVD players;
         
    • people still watch TV, and the universal remote still works on televisions;
         
    • laptops accepting remote controls sometimes accept the universal remote as well;
         
    • etc.

    Just because it has less use for presentations doesn't mean that it's dying. If anything, other uses may be found for it, including presentations.

    Also, why replace a $20 item (or even less) with a $200 item (or even more) if all you're going to do is watch TV and DVDs with it? If the universal remote is truly dying, then the big phone companies have won the war of overconsumption: sell a product that will be obsolete in two years, make it have tons of uses, and have the buyer depend more and more on it such that s/he deems it absolutely necessary and buys it again and again as newer versions come out with even more feature creep, while making everyone pay the full price for all the features despite many of the buyers not using even an eighth of them.

    I'd rather keep that remote, thanks. Mine has lasted around... 10 years now?

    1. Re:Modding the article by vasp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, why replace a $20 item (or even less) with a $200 item (or even more) if all you're going to do is watch TV and DVDs with it?

      I guess they recon that in the not-so-distant future every phone will have the equivalent features of todays smartphones. And seeing as just about everybody's got a cellphone these days, people will stop buying remotes because 'hey, I'll just switch channels using my phone, saving me 20 bucks!'

      This also adresses the problem of finding the Goddamn remote. It's always on you.

      Though I can foresee quite a few arguments with the mrs. when we both have a remote...

  8. Re:Like my grandma is going to buy a smart phone.. by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, my wife would love it if every time I left the house she was stuck watching Top Gear repeats all day because my phone was the only thing that controlled the TV.

    Harmony FTW.

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  9. Yeah but... by British · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't remember having to sign a contract, nor pay a monthly fee to use a universal remote,or better yet a "learning" remote. Those lists of manufacturers + models for your TV set/stereo/etc always seem to list all the models in the world..except the one you bought. Somehow I got lucky with my Advent home entertainment center, where I can use my Comcast remote to move up/down the volume. Felt a small sense of accomplishment since now I can now control everything with that remote, save for the video game consoles + VCR.

  10. Swell by KwKSilver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I'm going to need a $300.00 "smartphone" to turn on my TV, radio etc? One which will be reporting on everything I do and where I do it? (Guess that's what really makes it smart-never mind if they don't now, they will, they will. Fuck this bullcrap. George Orwell must be spinning in his grave at relativistic speeds.

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  11. Why, because NYTimes says so? by forgottenusername · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's no way a cell phone can replace the simplicity and multi-device support of a good universal remote. These remotes are actually _designed_ for their function, whereas a phone is designed for, you know, taking calls and running a few apps.

    - You dont pay a monthly fee to use a remote control
    - Who wants to pay for multiple goddamn cell phones that work as remotes, so if you are gone your visitors or spouse can watch tv? Be srsly
    - Good remotes are designed to be simple for the technologically inept. You select a simple action like "Watch TV" "Watch DVD" "Play Game" which are customizable and switch everything on or off as needed. If there are errors, the help button will resolve the issues in a simple way your grandma can figure out

    This is akin to taking a simple, small tool and trying to replace it with a monolithic "do everything" solution. It would be overly complex and would fail, fail, fail.

    How are these terrible articles getting through? Modding queue with a hangover, are we?

  12. I'm still waiting... by Cornwallis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    for a phone that's smart enough to quit dropping the damn calls. That's the only smart phone I'm interested in owning.

  13. Harmony remotes by tulmad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The person who wrote this article has clearly never used a Logitech Harmony remote. Best remote I've ever owned.

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    1. Re:Harmony remotes by PotatoSan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't matter. I'm not giving someone else my phone so they can change the channel.

    2. Re:Harmony remotes by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would suck, because the IR port on a standard "smartphone" is just too weak and focused. The Harmony Remote works because it's equipped with the equivalent of IR "blasters" - it fires extremely powerful IR bursts in every direction that remotely resembles "in front of the remote".

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    3. Re:Harmony remotes by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And anyone that thinks the Harmony is the best, has never used a JP1 remote. $20 for a remote (I picked it up on sale for $10), and ~$20 (or do-it-yourself) for the cable, and you can program a JP1 remote to do any IR you want. The flexibility people have programmed for these remotes is amazing.

      The real value of a Harmony comes from the "usability" of the remote, not the "flexibility" of programming it. (As an aside, the Harmony wins on programming at least 95% of the time, too (Samsung TV IR codes completely suck.) I can have a Harmony remote fully programmed for five devices in 15 minutes or less.)

      The key is that Harmony remotes are "use case based", and are not device oriented. Pick one up, and the buttons are labeled with things you want to do: "Watch TV", "Watch DVD", "Listen to Radio", or "Control Lights". The power of this is immediately apparent when you run these remotes through the Mom Test.

      Park your mom in front of your entertainment system and hand her the JP1. The first thing she'll do is go to the kitchen and make you a sammich, because she has no frakking idea how to turn your TV on, or how to make the sound come out, or how to change channels. But put a Harmony in her hands, and she'll push the "Watch TV" button. The TV comes on, the cable box comes on, the sound system comes on, the TV sets its input to HDMI-1, the sound system sets its input to AUX-1, and your mom is watching TV.

      And if the system gets out of sync, with the TV showing cable and the audio playing FM radio, push the "help" button. It asks questions about the problems and then sends the IR signals that help resync everything.

      The Harmony completely changed how I thought about human-TV interactions, and raised it up a level. I own two for my systems, and have bought them for my elderly in-laws, aunts and uncles. Device-oriented remote controls are horse-and-buggy-whips by comparison.

      Sure, if your budget is $20, and you've got all the time in the world to mess around with programming it, and nobody else needs to use it, the JP1 is probably more than adequate. But I spent more than that in time wasted answering the first phone call my father-in-law had about getting his TV to switch between Dish and DVD. The Harmony made those phone calls end.

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  14. FFS NO NO NO!!!! by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Phones are for PHONING!!!!! not texting, not taking pictures, nor playing mp3s, nor controlling radio controlled cars or anything else..

    I hate having to learn to use my new nokias as it is, without piling in more crap.

    Whatever happened to "Do one job and do it well".. Seems nowadays it's lets cram as much crap into something that half works.

    1. Re:FFS NO NO NO!!!! by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whatever happened to "Do one job and do it well".

      People's needs and wants, that's what happened.

      I think it's great I can communicate with my friends even in extremely noisy places.

      I think it's great I can take pictures of hot chicks when I'm out on the town.

      I think it'd be cool to always have some game on me if I ever get bored.

      I think it'd be cool to always have all my music at hand.

      I think it'd be really cool to always have all my music and video at hand.

      I think it's useful to always have an address book, calendar, clock and alarm clock at hand.

      Am I going to carry a phone, a texting device, a camera, a PSP or DS, an ipod, a clock, a calendar, a personal phone book and an alarm clock? Hell no. I want to have a general-purpose pocket computer device.

      I vehemently disagree with "do one thing".

      What I think is going on is that you're getting "several things, none done well" and you prefer "done well" over "several things", at least in the specific instances you have tried. If you had several things, all done well, would you really want to carry multiple gadgets around all the time?

  15. What happens when by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm using my phone/out of the house and someone else (sat the 13 year old kid) wants to watch a DVD?

    Or does everyone need a smart phone as opposed to one $20 remote on the coffee table?

  16. universal remote for PS3? by Gunstick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The PS3 may be a nice BlueRay player but it does not nicely work together with the rest of appliances: it's remote is bluetooth.

    Is there a universal remote which includes a bluetooth module for the PS3?

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  17. It will die, but not at the hands of smartphones by jrothwell97 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The universal remote (which, I must add before we go any further, is an evil invention which must die) will become obsolete anyway because all entertainment functions will be condensed into one machine (Apple TV, MythTV PC, HTPC etc.) So the scenario will go something like this:
    1. User finishes his work on his computer (for argument's sake, let's say a 24" iMac.)
    2. He folds the chair away and sits on the sofa in front of the machine. Digs out the included remote from down the side of the cushions, hits button on it. Machine switches to Front Row.
    3. User slips in DVD/Blu-Ray video, or plays a downloaded video from iTunes (*other online video stores are available).
    4. User switches to the TV tuner, watches synchronous TV (can also pause it and rewind it for far longer than the 15 minutes feeble PVRs of today, due to the fact that PCs have faster and larger HDDs allowing for speedier buffering). By the way, it's also in HD, otherwise it looks crap on the lovely big display.

    THAT is the future. No faffing about with smartphonesâ"one remote controls one machine.

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  18. Wrong WRong Wrong by baomike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoever wrote that has not set up a TV for a relative (or themselves in the future ) in an "Assisted living Facility".
    Channel change, on/off and volume are at the edge (and sometimes beyound ) the capabilities of these people.
    These are people who have trouble telling if it's 3:00 pm or am (the phone calls in the night tell me that).
    Days of the week and date are nebulous concepts.

    Something as complicated as a cell phone is just a paper weight.

    NB: Small remotes also disappear. They don't remember where they put them.

  19. One remote to rule them all? by fragMasterFlash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With projects like the JP1 forum turning universal remotes into the Swiss army knife of the 21st century I hardly think the will meet their technological demise any time soon. I would rather bet my $0.02 that the killer device control app for smartphones will be remote interaction at an arbitrary distance, much like the remote DVR control applications now entering the market.

  20. Missing the point? by golgoj4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think they are missing the point in saying that the universal remote's days are numbered. Smartphones just allow another way to do the same thing, and not always better. Currently, I use my desktop when im sitting at the pc, an ir remote when not, and an ipaq when roaming around the house. All three have different situation where they are better than others so to say one will hail the death of the other is missing the point that more options are available in general. I use linuxMCE for all my home AV needs and it allows me to use all three with the same interface. If anything I think the end result of smartphones being used more and more is less lost remotes.

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  21. While we're on the subject of remotes by similar_name · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why can't I click a button on the TV to make my remote beep when I can't find it. Maybe I should patent that.

    1. Re:While we're on the subject of remotes by SpookyFish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Too late: (and these are just a few examples)

      http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5598143.html
      http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6879254.html
      http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6404349/description.html

      Interestingly, prior art to all 3 of those patents exists as many TVs and VCRs from Phillips/Magnavox had this feature built in as far back as 1993: http://www.magnavox.com/index.cfm?event=about

      Sony also included it in a few TV models back in 2001.

      I suspect it has not seen more widespread adoption because of battery life and penny-pinching in a cutthroat market.

  22. Long live the universal remote!!! by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The universe remote will never die. It costs at least $200 for a "smart phone" like an iPhone or a Google android, and those smart phones not as good for TV surfing as the $15 remote you get from Walmart. The buttons on the remote are the product of 30 years of evolutionary design, the user interfaces on set top boxes are not -that- bad, and you don't have to worry about hackers. By the time you jizz your finger into getting your smart appliance into channel changing mode, I can reach down from the couch, onto the floor, pick the remote up and change the channel.

    Oh, and by the way, the batteries on my remote last way longer than your smart phone batteries.

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  23. Logitech Harmony by zerofoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having worked with Universal Remote, RTI, and Crestron products, I know what a "high-end" remote should do. These guys make very flexible remotes, but they cost a ton of money.

    Logitech's Harmony series remotes come VERY close, for a fraction of the cost. Programming is not very difficult, and I've yet to find a AV component that can not be controlled by these remotes.

    If you need to control lighting, HVAC, and other home automation stuff, RTI and Crestron are your best bet (bring your checkbook). But if you only need to control a modest Home Theater system, take a look at the Harmony remotes.

    As far as smartphones go - who is going to leave their smartphone home so the babysitter, or kids can watch TV?

    -ted

  24. Re:It will die, but not at the hands of smartphone by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nope. Sorry - I can't see it.

    As soon as you said this (for argument's sake, let's say a 24" iMac.) your argument was blown.

    For every "perfect solution" there will always be a competing product or a competing standard and they're not going to play nice. Its not even in the best interests of the electronics companies to provide a one size fits all solution (which is technically feasible now). They need pricing points and upgrade paths to continue generating profit.

    They need built in redundancy to ensure an ongoing market. And most consumers (not all, but most) end up with a rag-tag mix of equipment and configurations, based on need and willingness to fork out cash.

    Like LAN networks, noone has an identical system when it comes to media solutions in the home - and as a result, there will always be a market for tools that aid in bringing them all together.

  25. Re:Television will last forever. by cdrguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you had the faintest idea of the network requirements to do that, you would understand why broadcast TV (and radio) are going to be around for a long, long time.

    Today, people can pretend that broadcast radio might die because they can stream content to their phone. And as long as they can do this, they think "this must be what the future looks like". It doesn't, it won't and as soon as 10-20 people in their physical area try to do the same thing they will discover the truth.

    The bandwidth requirements of feeding individuals their own streams at 1080i (or even 720i) would require pretty much dedicated fiber home-to-provider. No, that doesn't exist. You can get fiber to a local node that is dedicated but then you are competing with your neighbors for bandwidth on a shared resource. And that shared resource does not have anywhere near the aggregate capacity to handle the sum of the fiber coming in to it.

    When will it? Probably never. Dreaming that broadcast will end when it does is fine, but keep in mind someone has to justify the costs. A local node may serve 1000 homes. Getting fiber that will support 20MB/sec is no problem but getting a channel from the local node that will support 20Gb/sec is another proposition entirely. And at the head end where 100 of those 20Gb/sec fibers come together to compete with the incoming bandwidth now ups that requirement to 2Tb/sec.

    2Tb/sec? And that is merely a small town with 100,000 homes.

    Broadcast TV is going to be around for a long, long time. As will broadcast radio. The bandwidth requirements of a broadcast are so incredibly modest compared with individual streams that it is a no-brainer for anyone.

    Will the bandwidth exist someday? Maybe. Will it be used to replace broadcasting? Doubtful. There will be some other use for it which will once again mean broadcast content is the only practical way to do it.

  26. You're missing a far more important point. by jd · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Universal Remote can be programmed with the signal used in Laser Tag games and is area-effect. This allows you to blast vast areas far more effectively than the pistol they supply you with. The SmartPhone cannot do this, no matter what you do.

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  27. Re:Like my grandma is going to buy a smart phone.. by mh1997 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My time is worth money, so this matters to me.

    So is mine when I am at work, but while I am home watching TV, nobody is paying me.

    A moderate up-front investment in learning how to use a device may save you a bunch of time and aggravation in future.

    It takes at most, 3 seconds to perform most actions on a TV, allowing me to change channels 20 times per minute. The smartphone takes about 1 second to perform an action. Thanks to this, it is now possible watch 3 times less tv in the same amount of time.

  28. Re:Yeah..Soft keys. by Mozk · · Score: 2, Funny

    So 6 K (Keys) should be enough for anybody?

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  29. Voice Recognition by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think voice recognition is more the future of how we control our devices.

    Please leave me out of your future. Few things make me more angry than calling a support number and getting a menu where I'm required to speak to the computer.

    If I have to deal with a computer, at least give me the choices and let me press a damn button. Don't make me guess the right keyword, especially not in earshot of my officemates.

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    1. Re:Voice Recognition by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a victim of Identity Theft, I always hate those that ask you to "speak or say your Social Security Number." If I am going to give my SSN, it'll be pressed on the keypad, not spoken out loud where a dozen co-workers could hear and copy it down! Not that I don't trust them, but it's pretty easy to figure out a co-worker's birth date and you already know their name. Add in that spoken SSN and some random co-worker with an ax to grind could steal your identity (or sell it to someone else so the ID theft would be all but untraceable).

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  30. The Swiss Army Knife Fallacy by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I call this the Swiss Army Knife Fallacy. It's like thinking that screwdrivers, scissors, and toothpicks are all going to vanish because a swiss army knife can do all of those things.

    Just as you might carry a swiss army knife in your pocket, smartphones are handy as a portable solution when you are out and about. But when I'm at home and I need to tighten a screw, I don't dig in my pocket for my swiss army knife; I reach into my toolbox and get a dedicated screwdriver that is designed to do just that one task as well as possible, instead of being adequate at multiple tasks.

    When I'm using my entertainment center, I want a remote that is ideally adapted to that one task. I don't need it to browse the web, or answer the phone; I've got devices optimized for those particular uses ready to hand in my home. For example, touch screens are great for general purpose devices that have to serve many functions. But when I want to adjust the volume on my TV set, I want a device with fixed, physical buttons with distinctive shapes that I can feel in the dark.

  31. Re:Yeah..Soft keys. by jimthehorsegod · · Score: 2, Informative

    At the risk of walking into a trap here, I think the reference was a (fairly tenuous) reference to the famous 640K is enough for anyone remark that was never actually made...