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Microchip Mimics a Brain With 200,000 Neurons

Al writes "European researchers have taken a step towards replicating the functioning of the brain in silicon, creating new custom chip with the equivalent of 200,000 neurons linked up by 50 million synaptic connections. The aim of the Fast Analog Computing with Emergent Transient States (FACETS) project is to better understand how to construct massively parallel computer systems modeled on a biological brain. Unlike IBM's Blue Brain project, which involves modeling a brain in software, this approach makes it much easier to create a truly parallel computing system. The set-up also features a distributed algorithm that introduces an element of plasticity, allowing the circuit to learn and adapt. The researchers plan to connect thousands of chips to create a circuit with a billion neurons and 10^13 synapses (about a tenth of the complexity of the human brain)."

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  1. That's it... we're dead by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're all dead.

    In fact, the current prototype can operate about 100,000 times faster than a real human brain. "We can simulate a day in a second," says Karlheinz.

    We are SO fucking dead.

    1. Re:That's it... we're dead by spikenerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Time to stop letting Hollywood think for you. People are smart, yet humanity is not currently enslaved. Why? Because people are intelligent enough to know that's a bad idea. If robots are ever more intelligent than us, they'll also be intelligent enough to make good decisions. Frankly, I'd rather have the more intelligent beings in charge. They would actually make more intelligent decisions! It's humans that should not be trusted. They're just consistently intelligent enough.

    2. Re:That's it... we're dead by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      If robots are ever more intelligent than us, they'll also be intelligent enough to make good decisions.

      That's exactly the sort of thinking that leads to the enslavement of humanity. Good job falling right into their trap!

    3. Re:That's it... we're dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that deep down, most people believe that killing off the humans would be the intelligent decision.

    4. Re:That's it... we're dead by wrf3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because people are intelligent enough to know that's a bad idea
        You overestimate us. Consistently, the majority of people generally choose security over freedom.

      If robots are ever more intelligent than us, they'll also be intelligent enough to make good decisions.
      Like not letting the toddlers have free run of the house? There's a reason why we have playpens and put locks on cabinets.

      Frankly, I'd rather have the more intelligent beings in charge.
      And so it begins... letting others make your decisions is the essence of slavery.

    5. Re:That's it... we're dead by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Paraphrasing a book (forget the name), if you took a dog and made its brain 1000 times faster, all you'd get is a dog that needs 1/1000th of the time to decide whether to sniff your crotch.

      Thinking faster would certainly be very useful, but it may not necessarily mean that the output will be of a higher quality.

    6. Re:That's it... we're dead by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As humans we eat animals and destroy entire ecosystems, repurposing them for our own uses because we see them as lesser life forms. I mean honestly, I think nothing of killing an ant colony in my yard because . . . they're just ants. They're so far beneath me as to regard them as little more than pests.

      If AI/robots really does outstripe us that fast, then it might not be a case of active disdain - we might simply be in their way and they'll exterminate us the way that we would termites.

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    7. Re:That's it... we're dead by averner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you consider complexity of the universe to be a good thing and a dull, uniform universe to be a bad thing, then humanity has done its share to make the universe better. Of course, "good" is subjective, but you probably already knew that before asking.

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    8. Re:That's it... we're dead by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot the third option: Maybe the machines will keep us as pets. Which, really, wouldn't be all that bad. They'd feed us, play with us, clean up after us. Once domesticated to the machine's standards, we may end up becoming a lonely machine's best friend, one who sheds tears when we have to be "put down" for having excessive joint pain in our hips.

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    9. Re:That's it... we're dead by lpp · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm pretty sure I wasn't the first to think in reply to your post "What does COBOL have to do this? This isn't a language war."

  2. AI Evolution by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Add a few chips and you'll soon get "I think, therefore I am."

    Keep going and you'll end up with "Bite my shiny metal ass you meatbag!"

    I wonder if the researchers will know when to STOP adding the together?

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    1. Re:AI Evolution by geekboy642 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a nitpicky point, of course, but the whole point of many of the Asimov robot books was how poorly those laws held up in reality. I, for one, wouldn't trust any 3-laws robot for anything.

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    2. Re:AI Evolution by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      When the AI starts adding it themselves without human intervention.

      "If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee, that will do them in"

      From somewhere in the past. Still true. Sad, but true.

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  3. cluster? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny
    Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these!!

    The researchers plan to connect several chips to create a circuit with a billion neurons and 10^13 synapses (about a tenth of the complexity of the human brain).

    Oh wait. The researchers already did.

    Bastards stole my thunder.

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    1. Re:cluster? by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of these imagining a beowulf cluster of these!!

    2. Re:cluster? by Zeromous · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yo Dawg, We noticed you like Beowulf clusters, so we put a Beowulf cluster in your Beowulf cluster of Beowulf clusters.

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  4. A brain with 200,000 neurons? by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean we have completed an artificial politician brain?

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    1. Re:A brain with 200,000 neurons? by TimSSG · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the artificial politician brain has 200,000 morons. Tim S

  5. Re:And so.. by cthulu_mt · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one plan on collaborating with the Cylons.

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  6. Re:I hereby by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the Terminator movies have taught me anything, human bones make good groundcover.

  7. I always figured it would take this to get true AI by TinBromide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The more I learned about computers, the more I figured that they were more like a complex engine (data or gasoline is input, its moved around, operated on by parts, and then output as results/exhaust). Maybe that's why car analogies are so popular?

    But another thing to be wary of is chemical imbalances. How many brain disorders are caused by the absence of a protein or inhibitor? The chip might take several redesigns over several years to get a solid model of a properly functioning neuron. I mean, who is going to notice a schizophrenic ant or beetle, or a rat with the mental equivalent of down's syndrome? They might spend a decade building up a brain with the complexity of a human brain only to find out that its "mentally disabled". Just look at how many people have mental issues, be it emotional, learning, or developmental issues with "properly functioning" neurons but are lacking one of a hundred chemicals that make them all work together as a whole.

    I'm sure that the end result of this experimentation is not a human brain, but instead a robot that can navigate ruins like a rat (downs syndrome or not) or work together like (schizophrenic or normal) ants. I'm sure they'll eventually make a financial computer that can work like a wall street broker (employed by aig or not).

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  8. Re:And so.. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't be satisfied with machines that act as quiet servants... have to make them intelligent enough to suffer...

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  9. Re:This is nothing. by GospelHead821 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You might be correct, but it is also possible that the "humanity" of the human brain is an emergent property that manifests only when there's a certain critical mass of grey matter. Developing synthentic neural systems with more and more neurons is likely, if nothing else, to test the hypothesis that consciousness, for some arbitrary definition thereof, is emergent.

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  10. Humph! by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Funny

    *My* brain mimics a brain with 200,000 neurons.

  11. Re:This is nothing. by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The core problem of course is that this "simulates" nothing, really. A typical neuron is a vastly complex electro-chemical computer, which all of these researchers seem to keep studiously ignoring. That means that processing of electrical signals is just one (and small at that) aspect of the functioning of the neuron. In fact neurons can communicate via multiple information transfer "channels", involving chemicals called "neurotransmitters" (each having a different effect on the recipient neuron) with the electrical impulses used merely as a high-speed (as compared to purely chemical) long-range trigger mechanism.

    With this in the background, it is not difficult to see that this project, like many before it, while sounding "cool", goes really nowhere and is just yet another publicity stunt.

  12. Re:This is nothing. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A typical neuron is a vastly complex electro-chemical computer,

    You can still simulate these interactions digitally and have the output match. Like these guys did.

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  13. Re:I always figured it would take this to get true by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, who is going to notice a schizophrenic ant

    That's the one that is walking along, waving its antennae to no one, and creeping out the other workers.

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  14. Re:And it fits on the head of a pin! by Jurily · · Score: 5, Funny

    omg they have invented an electronic republican.

    int main(){ while (1) {
    printf("%s", random_nonsensical_bullshit());
    printf("God bless America!");
    bank_account += take_campaign_contribution(contributor_list);
    if (elected) keep_happy(contributor_list);
    }
    return bank_account;
    } /* FIXME: keep_happy() ignores entries with too small contributions assigned, to avoid race conditions */

  15. Don't underestimate complexity of brain... by Temujin_12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't read the featured article, but whenever I see "X program/system mimics brain" I always try to pipe in with my 2 cents.

    Any system that considers a brain as nothing but a series of perceptron-based connections is going to fall short of the neurology of the actual brain it is trying to mimic. Ask any neurologist and they will tell you that there many other dimensions at play in the human brain. For instance, the whole system itself is sitting in a chemical bath which can change at any moment with the right mixture of hormones or other chemical changes. These changes in chemistry affect the firing and working of the neurons, axons, and synapses. Combine this with the control of external factors such as DNA, RNA, and epigenitics and things start getting exponentially complex.

    I don't mean to down-play the progress we're making in this field. I just hate it when I see the "Computer system with X-sized neural network must equal a brain with X-number of neurons" mentality.

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  16. Re:And it fits on the head of a pin! by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 4, Funny

    Luckily for the American political system, you also just programmed an electronic Democrat.

  17. Re:This is nothing. by NotThatGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am one of the researchers involved in this project. You are right, of course, that we are only simulating 0.1% or less of the complexity of the brain, so even if we simulate 100% of the number of neurons in the brain, we are still orders of magnitude of complexity away from reproducing a brain, let alone understanding it.

    However, we have to start somewhere and, in the words of Henry Markram (Blue Brain Project) "If we don't start now, when do we start?". The neuron models in the chip ignore spatial processing in the dendrites, but they do reproduce the variety of firing patterns found in real cortical neurons. The models of the chemical synapses incorporate have both short-term (adaptation, etc) and long-term (learning) plasticity, based on experimental data. Neuromodulation (by dopamine, etc) could be simulated by modifying synaptic and neuronal parameters, using the digital logic on the chips, although we haven't really thought about this yet.

    The FACETS project involves experimental neurobiologists, theoreticians, modellers, and solid-state physicists (who are developing the chips). We are very aware of the necessary simplifications we are making, but we are also confident that we are making progress both in understanding brain function and in developing new approaches to highly-parallel, fault-tolerant computing.

  18. Re:And so.. by treeves · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... what is the worst it can do?
    Talk you to death?


    You're not married, are you?

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