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Why Fear the End of the R-Rated Superhero Movie?

brumgrunt writes "Last year, Marvel said that R-rated comic book superhero movies weren't in its future plans. Now, in the light of Watchmen's box office performance, Warner Bros is going the same way, meaning high-profile comic book superhero films will be restricted to the PG-13 rating at most. But is this a bad thing, and should we fear the end of the R-rated superhero movie?"

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  1. That's not the real issue by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We should not fear that Warner Bros is ending the R-rated movies. We should fear the fact that one single company has such massive influence that we even bother talking about this.

  2. This is the same mistake the music business made by Andy_R · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only movie I saw in the last 12 months was Watchmen. Sure, Spider-man 6 might make a bigger profit, but if you concentrate only on getting the biggest possible slice of the Spider-man 6 demographic, you'll never get any money from people like me, and the industry as a whole will be poorer.

    The music business already fell into this trap, churning out countless spice-girl clones in the hope of hitting the jackpot and ignoring the fact that even if they can find a girl-group that outsells the spice girls, there are a lot of potential customers who just don't like that genre.

    If the big studios stop making $100m blockbuster R-rated movies, then a smart film company should start leveraging CGI to make $5-$10m ones to tap into that market.

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  3. Re:I can live with it by cgfsd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would have loved to take my nephew (who is 11) to the Watchmen.

    Violence was not the issue, the blue schlong was the issue.
    For some reasons parents don't mind violence, but show one schlong or some boobies, and that makes the movie off limits.

    Pretty screwed up world we live in.

  4. Re:I can live with it by Nutria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For some reasons parents don't mind violence,

    We are born selfish and violent, lashing out (stomping feet, hitting, biting, scratch, hitting, etc) when we don't get want.

    but show one schlong or some boobies, and that makes the movie off limits.

    OTOH, we don't even start to become sexual beings until the early teen years. (Later, in cultures that aren't so sex-saturated as the US.)

    Pretty screwed up world we live in.

    Well, yes, but not for the reason you think.

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  5. Re:I can live with it by Norwell+Bob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think, after having seen it, that Watchmen would be in any way acceptable for an 11 year old, your nephew's parents should get a restraining order.

    Let's see, aside from the handful of scenes of graphic violence (sawing off of arms, anyone?), how about the attempted rape, the sex scenes and, yes, the "blue schlong" that nobody can seem to wrap their minds around.

    This isn't directed at you, but many people today seem to almost WANT to expose kids to as much adult material as possible. Whether it's to prove they're "enlightened", or because they saw boobies in Nightmare on Elm St when they were 11 and thought it was cool, or what, I don't know. "Pretty screwed up world we live in", indeed.

    You can take an 11 year old to an R-rated movie, sure... but as a parent or guardian (IOW- an adult), you're supposed to exercise judgement based on your knowledge of the material, and the maturity of the child. Children DO imitate movies, whether you want to admit it or not. Face it, you yourself probably wish you could fight like Jason Bourne or sleep with pretty much any girl you want, like James Bond... but social structures and fear of looking like a moron (probably) prevent you from acting it out. Those social rules are much less effective on a child, which is why you see them acting out their favorite movie characters on the playground.

    In short, and I am sure this is an unpopular opinion these days, children are less capable than adults are when it comes to separating fantasy from reality. Hell, my 9 year old still occasionally asks me "did this really happen?" when we're watching a movie that is at least halfway plausible.

  6. Re:I can live with it by Zebedeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OTOH, we don't even start to become sexual beings until the early teen years.

    It is the product of a sexually repressed society that someone could consider the sight of female breasts or a limp schlong a sexual thing.

    People go around naked in many cultures, and I've never heard that it encourages sexual behaviour in children.

    In fact, it's the most repressed cultures which tend to exhibit more sexual devian behaviour. Case in point: the catholic church.

  7. WTF is the problem with the penis? by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heck, I agree with you: Watchmen is not suitable for an 11 yo. There is too much gratuitous violence (some of it from the HQ, some from the director), people being blown up to pieces, sexual violence, children being beat (and beating other children),murders, realistic sex scenes, complex themes that most 11 yo won't understand.

    But it has nothing to do with Dr. Manhattan's penis. It appears because he doesn't care about clothes, not because he is about to have quantum sex with anyone. It is as sexual, in the context of the movie, as his arm or leg - he walks around naked just as a child would. I doubt any children would care about the penis - it's the fucked-up adults that instantly associate it with sexual perversion. Get over it, 50% of the human population have penises.

    Besides, it is not even big. Heck, what size are yours to be so obsessed with his?

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    1. Re:WTF is the problem with the penis? by Norwell+Bob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'll notice that Dr. Manhattan's exposure was the last in my list, and that was with reason... it was never presented "that way", although some parents would probably find it distasteful whether their kids saw it or not. That's mostly because of our societal mores.

      In the meantime, you reminded me of a few more scenes that only the most irresponsible person could assume would be acceptable viewing for an 11 year old:
      Cold-blooded murder of a pregnant woman
      The entire child killer scene
      Young Rorschach biting another boy's cheek off

      Not to mention, how is a child supposed to understand the whole theme of Rorschach's mother being a prostitute?

      How about Sally having gone back and willingly sleeping with the Comedian AFTER he tried to rape her (and knocked her around)? If a kid is old enough to understand the attempted-rape scene, but not really old enough to grasp just how fucked-up people can be, then that whole theme will confuse the hell out of him (or, worse, her) and maybe plant a terrible seed that will bloom into some warped perceptions.

      Let's be honest with ourselves here... kids today, despite being coddled and sheltered from the outside world, are getting more and more fucked up. IMHO, that's because parents aren't paying enough, or the right kind of, attention to their kids. They assume, incorrectly, that there's nothing in their homes that can damage them, and that all the danger is outside, lurking the streets with a trench coat and a bag of lollipops. Meanwhile, they let their young children watch grown-up movies, TV shows, play M-rated video games, and surf the web unsupervised. Nobody wants to lord over their children the way we perceived that our parents smothered us... but, sorry, giving them free reign is a recipe for disaster. The new-age parenting techniques of constant praise and minimal discipline are failing. We've got 12 year old girls dressing like whores. If you let your pre-teen wear a pair of sweatpants with ANYTHING written across the seat, or a t-shirt that says "sexpot" or similar, you are a failure as a parent.

      Of course, this is my opinion, and I'm sure I'll get modded down and probably a hundred responses of "my partner and I let our 6 year old use the computer unsupervised and she has never looked at porn and is a polite and independent little treasure!" Great, good luck with that in another 6 years.