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Senator Proposes Nonprofit Status For Newspapers

The AP is reporting that a senator has introduced legislation that would allow struggling newspapers to operate as nonprofits, similar to the way public broadcasting works. "[Sen. Benjamin] Cardin [D-Md.] introduced a bill that would allow newspapers to choose tax-exempt status. They would no longer be able to make political endorsements, but could report on all issues including political campaigns. Advertising and subscription revenue would be tax-exempt, and contributions to support coverage could be tax deductible. Cardin said in a statement that the bill is aimed at preserving local newspapers, not large newspaper conglomerates. ... The head of the newspaper industry's trade group called the bill a positive step."

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  1. 1st Amendment? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So in the US, we have the 1st Amendment which says this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; ..."

    It seems to me that what this law would do is give a competitive advantage to those newspapers that avoid endorsing candidates.

    Isn't that abridging the freedom of the presses that want to make political statements endorsing candidates? It basically says, "Don't make political endorsements, or else we'll tax you."

    1. Re:1st Amendment? by guyminuslife · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would agree with you, but there's already a lot of precedent for this.

      For instance, churches are already tax exempt. (Apparent First Amendment violation number one.) But they are legally prohibited from making political endorsements, or risk losing their tax exempt status. (Apparent First Amendment violation number two.) As with all nonprofits organizations.

      A lot would have to change for this to be considered unconstitutional.

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    2. Re:1st Amendment? by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The risky thing here is that newspapers practically need to cover political issues while most religions are fine staying out of political issues except when something covers what they see as a moral issue.

      So what happens when the government decides a newspaper is a little too biased in their reporting and claim that it's endorsing another candidate? Will the press have to censor themselves to avoid appearing like an endorsement?

    3. Re:1st Amendment? by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't that abridging the freedom of the presses that want to make political statements endorsing candidates? It basically says, "Don't make political endorsements, or else we'll tax you."

      Not really, because the assumption is that everyone deserves to be taxed. Not being taxed is the exception - it's a special privilege, and if you want that status, you are required to do certain things.

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    4. Re:1st Amendment? by TinBromide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its the opposite. The government is not punishing any existing newspapers that wish to continue to endorse candidates, instead, they're providing a reward for news papers that wish to return to reporting news instead of making it.

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    5. Re:1st Amendment? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why not just Newspapers?
      Why not TV?
      Blogs?
      Magazines?
      What is the Press these days?
      I am all for the press not endorsing candidates but I just don't see that happening.

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    6. Re:1st Amendment? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems to me that what this law would do is give a competitive advantage to those newspapers that avoid endorsing candidates.

      Not really.
      http://groups.google.com/group/alt.journalism.newspapers/browse_thread/thread/7d20a09702df3dc8

      Although his bill would expressly permit nonprofits to publish newspapers, there is nothing under current law to prevent them from doing so. [...] The only major substantive change in the Cardin bill is a provision that would allow nonprofit newspapers to sell commercial ad space free of charge, provided that at least as much space is allotted for editorial content
      as for ads.

      There are already non-profit news organizations that get along just fine.
      And nothing I've read contradicts what that google groups posting says.

      The only thing that isn't 100% clear, to me, is whether the current non-profit newspapers operate under Section 501(c)3 of the IRS tax code (which is what everyone is so scared of & the google groups post elaborates on) or if they operate under some other free speech limiting portion of the tax code (you know, the one that prevents non-profits from endorsing political candidates).

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    7. Re:1st Amendment? by Perp+Atuitie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, Britain manages to have a much livelier, independent, and diverse news environment than we do in the US. Much of the reason is that high inheritance taxes inclined privately owned news chains to go to nonprofit status. Plus of course there's the BBC competing with the private journalism outlets. In the case of Britain, I'm pretty sure they get to make candidate endorsements -- not that anybody cares about such things anyway, except the candidates. I can't believe anybody in the US believes that the "free" corporate press system has led to journalism that's worth a damn.

    8. Re:1st Amendment? by huckamania · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's still a stupid idea. Reporting of news is always going to be slanted one way or another. It's just as easy to not report news that hurts your candidate as it is to only report news that hurts your candidate's opponent.

      Besides, it's not taxes that are hurting the newspapers. It is that no one wants to wait until tomorrow to read something that is already old news on the web.

    9. Re:1st Amendment? by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that, but why are we trying to resuscitate the dying corpse of print media? If you got 10-20 min. This is a really great article on this subject. Elevator speech of the article: We don't need newspapers, we need journalism. There are opportunities to be had by these businesses, but they are unwilling to adapt and embrace them. **AA easily fit this same situation.

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    10. Re:1st Amendment? by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      The press won't have to censor itself any more than other nonprofits who deal with government issues.

      Most tax-exempt nonprofits that deal with government issues don't have to censor themselves at all, only charities (to which donations are tax-deductible for the donor) have to do that. Most tax-exempt nonprofits aren't prohibited from endorsing candidates, and many are quite active in doing so (e.g., the Sierra Club and the NRA, among many others, as nonprofits organizations that are tax-exempt under 26 U.S.C. sec. 501(c)(4); most labor unions, as nonprofit organizations that are tax-exempt under 26 U.S.C. sec. 501(c)(5), etc.)

    11. Re:1st Amendment? by inviolet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its the opposite. The government is not punishing any existing newspapers that wish to continue to endorse candidates, instead, they're providing a reward for news papers that wish to return to reporting news instead of making it.

      Suppose you are the Salt Lake Tribune, and you want to continue as a regular newspaper, in which event you will be taxed. And suppose that your competitor, the Deseret News or whatever, chooses tax-exempt status and hence gets a 20% 'reward'.

      Do you think you'll be able to compete with that for long? How are you able to believe that in this situation, the government is "not punishing" your Salt Lake Tribune?

      There is no way to turn the sow's ear of preferential tax breaks into a silk purse of "fair economic controls" or "level playing field" or "reward Paul without punishing Peter".

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    12. Re:1st Amendment? by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh is that why the Catholic Church hasn't swung the ban hammer on some of the politicians, who lie about some of the church's stances?

      The bigger reason for that is that the Catholic Church contains about the same distribution of political perspectives as the public at large, and even the Catholic heirarchy is only slightly less diverse.

      Plus, the Catholic Church isn't, in the last couple centuries, quite as vigorous about the public use of the "ban hammer" as it once was, perhaps having learned, through several centuries of experience, that influence is not always enhanced by indiscriminate use of extreme sanction.

    13. Re:1st Amendment? by Splab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also the quality of the reporting has gone to shit (in Denmark).

      Back in the olden days in the before time before internet, becoming a journalist was extremely tough (here in Denmark), you had to have a high average in high school and getting through journalism "school" was tough. Back then reporters could spell their own name without looking it up, they could ask intelligent questions rather than just writing down whatever their subject was saying.

      These days you have to look hard to find a single article that hasn't been written by someone who has absolutely no grasp of whats going on, nor free of grammatical/spelling errors.

      Paper or electronic, I'd gladly pay a fee for a proper newspaper, but I can't find one any more...

  2. Great by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why not just make everything tax exempt? Then everyone would be more profitable, not just the failed buggy-whip companies.

  3. Good idea by fructose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering that when a local newspaper goes under a small part of the community is gone, I think this is a good idea. These small papers fill the niche market that are only in small communities have and help promote local issues that larger newspapers tend to gloss over. Losing the political endorsements would actually be a good thing since it might make the papers less biased. Providing both sides of an issue is much more informative than printing one sided articles because of the political leanings of the paper.

  4. i like it by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is a really great idea. It forces them to be a little less biased, and it keeps well-written articles available. The natural beauty of print is that it's costly to publish, compared to digitally. This tends to force the writing to be polished, which online articles, blogs specifically, never achieve. There's just something nice about reading an article someone else has proofread before you. It's jarring to read blogs that have foregone this, as you tend to notice the little grammatical mistakes everywhere. Or worse, it's syntactically correct, but semantically rubbish.

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  5. Like Public Broadcasting? by chill · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean we can look forward to having an entire week's worth of issues, once a quarter, be full of nothing but spots begging for donations? Yeah, that'll make subscription rates soar!

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  6. Re:What a good idea by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>>A somewhat more balanced media is in everyone's interest.

    Yes it is, but "balanced reporting" is a myth. The reporters allow their own biases to sneak-into the articles. Not on purpose of course, but just as a natural consequence of being human. For example if you asked me to report on the Democratic Convention, it would probably be very negative since I don't like big-government parties. Vice-versa if I did a Libertarian Convention article, it would probably end up being a fluff piece. It's just natural bias.

    I prefer reporters be honest about their views, even if those views are slanted, rather than pretend to be unbiased, which is a falsehood. Nobody is unbiased.

     

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  7. BS by Anenome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's bullshit, if a news organization cannot survive in the market it doesn't deserve to exist. We don't need another NPR-style organization. News is not Sesame St. for adults. The papers are facing the 21st century with a 19th century technology, WHAT DID THEY THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN? Meanwhile, New York Times still makes me laugh every time someone links to it and it asks for registration, BS, I close the window right there. Drudge is 21st century news, adapt or die.

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    1. Re:BS by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Drudge and news should never appear in the same sentence.

      The fact that Drudge and the Huffinton post and other piles of shit like them are what passes for Web journalism, is the reason so many people are worried about the demise of the traditional newspaper.

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    2. Re:BS by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Drudge is 21st century news, adapt or die.

      In case you didn't notice, Drudge and his host of imitators are news aggregators, not reporters. The stories they link too have to come from somewhere. If all the old line, stale, MSM news outlets that people love to bitch about closed up shop, the blogosphere would have precious little to do.

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    3. Re:BS by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the AP is what? You know that 95% of the AP content comes from member newspapers right? Nice circular logic there.

      I'm sorry your local rag sucks the pole, but that's not a good basis for condemning the entire industry.

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    4. Re:BS by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you're aware that modern newspapers are news aggregators just like Drudge, adding little more than local flavor, etc.

      To a large degree, this is true -- which is one of the main reasons they're in trouble. The way for papers to survive is not for them to become more like blogs, but less so. My problem is with the idea that the line I quoted (your words, "Drudge is 21st century news, adapt or die") provides a model for newspapers or other organizations which want to do original reporting in this century or any other.

      Drudge breaks stories when he gets them, and conducts original reporting, just like the regular newspapers do ... Drudge got his big break by breaking a story that the MSM did not want to report on, the Lewinsky scandal

      Did Drudge go out and cover the story himself, conducting interviews, reading records, digging through the dirt? Did he pay other reporters to do this? Or did he just link to those existing news outlets which were covering the story, thus calling attention to it and inspiring even more MSM coverage for him to link to?

      As of now, drudge.com is basically a link farm. There's no evidence of original reporting on there that I can see. Don't get me wrong -- I think this kind of news aggregation is great, and I'm glad Drudge and many others are doing it. But they could no more exist without original journalism to feed their sites than /. could exist without the computer industry.

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  8. Re:Shortly to be followed by.... by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We've actually had that for a while now.

    Someone just forgot to tell the suits that they couldn't really commoditize culture without some serious problems creeping in.

  9. Re:On the face of it... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is, the vast majority of newspapers are owned by giant conglomerates. Gannett and McClatchy just going to say, "Oh hey, lets dissolve!"? Don't think the CEO's with their 7 figure salaries are gonna get behind that one.

    Anyway, even the papers that are already non-profit are taking it in the ass. Look at St. Pete. The industry has to successfully make a revenue transition from 1 medium to another without going bankrupt in the process, and it doesn't help that the web sucks for revenue. Look at all these huge, popular web 2.0 services that still haven't found a way to make a profit. The Ad revenue pie is the same size, but way too many people want a piece, and you don't get that natural geographic advantage that newspapers have traditionally enjoyed.

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  10. Re:What a good idea by Bartab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know that the path to a "somewhat more balanced media" rides right though my local newspaper collapsing and falling into oblivion. Of course, I'm speaking of the San Francisco Chronicle, and they are collapsing.

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  11. Balanced media by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The newspapers are not making money now, so having their advertising and subscription revenues tax exempt won't matter. The big difference would be they'd be able to get tax deductible donations.

    Why do you think soliciting donations will make the media more balanced? As the mayor of Corruptville, I of course realize that we need balanced reporting in our fair town. I will even donate some of my embezzled funds towards that end - as long as the newspaper doesn't tell anybody about my embezzlement.

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    1. Re:Balanced media by quanticle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To be fair, though, the one major example I have of donation supported media (National Public Radio) is remarkably balanced, especially in it its coverage of the ongoing economic troubles. At the very least they've not been more unbalanced in any direction than privately funded media.

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    2. Re:Balanced media by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Informative

      NPR is national, so it is relatively easy to keep tabs on and has to cater to a large and diverse audience to keep in the donations.

      A local newspaper is a lot smaller, and will only attract donations from rich people in that town - so it has a much more pronounced bias in its donors.

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  12. The best part of Capitalism by Syncerus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The best part of Capitalism is letting bad business fail. If the newspapers can't fund themselves legitimately through voluntary commerce, like any other business, they need to fail, as they deserve.

    With tax-exempt status, they exists solely at the mercy of government legislation. What are the chances they will criticize the government that grants them favored status?

    This is a recipe for State control of news dissemination.

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    1. Re:The best part of Capitalism by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best part of Capitalism is letting bad business fail.

      If the bailouts Congress has been handing out so freely haven't convinced you that we aren't really in a capitalistic society any more, nothing ever will. We're running an unholy union of capitalism and socialism right now, and I really wish we'd pick one of the two and stick with it. As it is, we get the drawbacks of both, and the benefits of neither.

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  13. They may not be able to make political endorsement by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but they surely will still have their respective slants on stories, which political cartoons they carry, and so on.

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  14. No tax on losses and independence by folstaff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they are losing money, they are not being taxed anyway (even the federal tax code has limits).

    Just between us, are you comfortable with a newspaper's independence if government officials and bureaucrats can threaten their tax-exempt status?

    Couple this with the return of the fairness doctrine, and you have a recipe for an Orwellian experience.

  15. Considering costs... by RobBebop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The two primary costs of operating a newspaper are (a) paying the reporters, and (b) printing papers. We all know subscriptions are down and that the medium is evolving so that only the largest national papers can afford to print copies. Also, readership in local areas doesn't really demand printed copies as much as they want access to the information. For example, one thing local reporters cover is town council meetings and police reports. Thanks largely to digital search mechanisms, it's way easier to grab this information from the pages of a reputable townie news service website than to sift through a printed paper.

    So, I see the costs of printing a newspaper disappearing over the years and that leaves only the cost of paying reporters. My question is... what's to stop the small newspapers from firing the majority of their staff and operating like Internet newspapers with self-moderated volunteer staffs? All it'd take is to deploy Slashcode, buy-in from town administrators and business owners, and a critical mass of town residents to begin operating a near-free town news service.

    Meanwhile, I see "tradition newspapers" as an occupation disappearing, regardless of tax exempt status or not.

    And look at it this way... the newspaper profit model has been largely based on ad-revenue for so long that a simple "local" implementation of Craigslist could easily facilitate job postings, garage sales, and local advertising so that tiny, tiny charges for these would pay the small staff that's needed to maintain the hardware and post the most interesting stories on the mainpage.

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    1. Re:Considering costs... by Kaboom13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how come in every newspaper I read about a subject I have personal, first hand knowledge about, they get it completely wrong? I have had the experience of being completely misquoted in a newspaper article, where something I said was completely changed (and I knew I was speaking to a reporter, and I had approx. 8 witnesses who all agreed I was misquoted) and a complaint to the editor didn't even get a retraction. Whenever I see a news article in my local paper about technology or science, it is completely and totally wrong. Remember all those old articles about the "internet super-highway"? Or how about whenever the papers bring up violent video games (apparently every game ever is named Doom or Grand Theft Auto). Now if the only reason I see this blatant misinformation is because I have first-hand knowledge of the thing they are talking about, why should I believe they are getting everything else right? Frankly most bloggers seem down right competent next to them, and I hate the word blog with a passion.

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  17. Re:What a good idea by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How will this make the media "more balanced?"

    Non-profit status for newspapers (that now can't have a political view) is simply a tax on newspapers that do. This seems like a limit on free speech along the lines of the fairness doctrine.

    This is further complicated by the fact that no journalist seems to believe that they are capable of bias.

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  18. Re:What a good idea by bravo369 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think balanced reporting is a myth, it just doesn't seem to exist anymore. It's supposed to be a news column, not an editorial. To use your example about reporting on the Democratic convention, why would it be so hard to report who was there, sequence of events, and what the person said. whether you agree with it or not shouldn't play any part in doing your job as a news reporter. What one side considers a joke the other side considers an insult..example being the 'lipstick on a pig' comment during the election. The quote should be in the NEWS article and the editorial should give the viewpoint that it was insulting or whatever they want to say. and yes it can be a natural bias that creeps through but then shouldn't the editor be demanding the reporters stick to the facts. if not then what good are they.

  19. Re:What a good idea by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing is, if you give up trying to be unbiased, you get Fox News.

    Even if it is a mostly unattainable goal, it's better to try and deliver an unbiased product.

    I do admit, it'd be nice if a reporter would be open about their bias right from the start. The nice thing about the web (if any papers transitioned to it correctly, which, of course, none have) is that you could make that sort of information available in a reporters bio. Trusting your news source is important; nobody has time to fact check all their news.

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  20. Tax Breaks for Corporate Media by mathmathrevolution · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Presumably the goal is to preserve newspapers as a necessary source of information gathering. The idea is that in the age of the internet, we face a free-rider problem and fundamental news gathering is less profitable. Ostensibly journalists are performing a public service.

    But how well this proposed solution will address the real problem? There are lots of right-wing newspapers that are not profitable but they have dedicated corporate sponsors so they keep operating. Consider the Washington Times, or the Pittsburgh Tribune. If we let newspapers be non-profits we are giving a huge tax-break to Richard Mellon Scaife, and Rupert Murdoch, and Sun Myung Moon. All of the money these guy pump into their right-wing propaganda machines will be tax-deductible.

    I want to save newspapers too, but this proposal will incentivize more propaganda than it will actual news.

  21. Not that bad of an idea by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering churches get non-profit, and even some HMOs as well, I would say that newspapers have much more of the public interest in mind than either of the other two. Churches and HMOs generally pay their top employes more than most newspapers; but yet where does the non-profit status currently go?

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  22. Re:What a good idea by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

    The thing is, if you give up trying to be unbiased, you get Fox News.

    Or the Economist. Bias is OK as long as you acknowledge it - does Fox still claim to be fair and balanced?

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  23. Desperation effort by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to realize how desperate the newspaper industry has become. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer printed their last paper edition last week. They're just a web site now, and they distribute their news via Twitter. That's how far down they've come. The Detroit Free Press only prints on Thursday, Friday, and Sunday now. The San Francisco Chronicle may go next.

    And those were once Great Metropolitan Dailies. Little papers go under every day.

    Nothing is really replacing them. Blogs are mostly punditry; few have paid reporters. If anything, the future may be TV news presented via the Web. TV news has historically been time-limited, but that's not a Web problem.

    1. Re:Desperation effort by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And those were once Great Metropolitan Dailies.

      Which is where all the problem is, really.

      Its the dailies, which have largely lost their local character by merging into giant national media empires, slashed local staffs, and turned into nothing but outlets for (1) wire stories that are available in every news outlet, on the web, and through TV news, (2) syndicated content that, again, is available equally everywhere, including often on the web for free, etc. Surprisingly enough, with most of their content that is of interest to the readers available elsewhere faster and cheaper, and with, at worst, no more advertisement, and often better targetted (which, for the advertiser means more effective, but also means, for the reader, less unwelcome) advertisements, and with better reliability than newspaper delivery, it should be unsurprising than newspapers can't find readers.

    2. Re:Desperation effort by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe they never should have been dailies in the first place? Perhaps the fact that they are now only printing when there is enough there to print is a GOOD THING. Now they aren't wasting several thousands of trees daily to print fluff that no one actually gave a flying fuck about in the first place other than the person who wrote it and the company that is trying to justify to people why the need to buy a daily subscription.

      There really isn't THAT much news in the world that people NEED to know about, even less that people care about, far less still that people will actually bother to read about.

      You seem to think that the newspapers were 'needed' before and 'needed to have daily issues'. I suggest that the need was far less than you think and was nothing more than a way for them to take in more advertising and subscription revenue.

      They are failing for the same reason the record industry is. They were pushing bullshit product that people didn't actually want for more than people wanted to spend, but there were basically no alternatives. Newspapers were virtual monopolies in most towns, only larger ones had multiples. Something else came along and people realized they didn't have to subscribe that that bullshit monopoly anymore, now rather than adapt and cut their ridiculous costs and move on to the next stage, they are whining and dieing.

      Its not because we don't need/want the news. Its because the people running these businesses and the employees working for them are incapable of changing. The lack of ability to change to your environment means you either have to move to a different environment or you die. The employees at newspapers that can adapt will move on. The editors, reports and management that can't, will die with their newspaper.

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  24. Re:What a good idea by Sigismundo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that bias creeps in most often in the form of omission. To continue with the Democratic convention, for example, someone who supports the Democratic party may choose not to report so much on the protesters outside the venue, or place this coverage closer to the end of the article. Newspaper articles are limited in length, so only the "most significant" information makes it in. Often the selection of what is important (by the reporter or his editor) allows for bias to creep in, however unintentionally.

  25. Re:There should be no nonprofits by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the tax system was fair in the first place, no loopholes would be needed. Income tax is really unlawful. It punishes productivity and penalizes saving.

    Umm... Arguably, without taxes and nothing backing the US dollar, inflation would spiral out of control and that would really punish savers.

    Arguably, income tax is preferable over spending tax, because if you reward saving too much you end up with a deflationary death spiral which is what caused the great depression and would still punish people who saved their money because they'd probably be unemployed and have to spend those savings.

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  26. Re:What a good idea by Hordeking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, if you give up trying to be unbiased, you get Fox News, or CNN, or MSNBC, or Pravda.

    Fixed that for you. Bias doesn't just swing to the right. A major complaint of a lot of people is that most of the media bias seems to be to the left.

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  27. Re:Only hindering the inevidible. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is, the online news services are all leaching off the traditional media for their content.

    I'm actually looking forward with mild amusement to the panic when the flow of content from the big boys ceases.

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  28. It also doesn't help by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When the editors and such lean so hard to the left while the area they serve doesn't. A prime example is the AJC (Atlanta Journal and Constitution). They are so far the left they had to actually ask for a "conservative writer" for the editorial page. It was hilarious their reaction to known conservative writers they "refused to consider" . In other words they needed someone harmless and unknown. The AJC was practically the OJC during the last election. Yet go read pages which accept reader submissions and its clear the base doesn't lean at all the same way.

    Now they are still bitching about loss of jobs and liberal professors are decrying the loss of jobs and "professionalism"; ready those dirty peasants with their blogs versus the glorious gods of journalism produced by said schools.

    Bite me. Papers are getting what they deserved. Do not expect in an age where information is available from many sources that if you don't appeal to your possible customer base that you can remain viable. Either adapt to your customers or go the way of the dodo

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  29. Re:What a good idea by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dude, their slogan is "Fair and Balanced." I admit they're not trying to be unbiased, but they are definitely trying to pretend like they're unbiased, which is the worst of all worlds.

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  30. Re:What a good idea by _Quinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't resist: that's because reality has a well-known liberal bias. ;)

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  31. Re:What a good idea by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think advertising your bias works either. People who don't like your bias won't read your article, even if you did some excellent work.

    What's missing is reading (and listening) with a grain of salt. Trusting news because it came from The Paper, or A Scientist, or A Doctor. Credentials are just there to stand out amidst the riff raff. They may still be complete idiots.

    You may not like the DNC, and will obviously have a bias going in but presumably while you will have a critical eye you are going to be listening and asking questions. To the statements that sounds good, you will likely have doubts. To the statements that sounds bad...well you obviously have thought that part through.

    Unless your livelihood depends on a certain candidate, like us you probably want to figure out who to vote for. You might have made a choice but harbor some doubts (likely he's just the lesser of evils). That's all we need. What we get, a lot, is corporate influence that needs a particular vote they can't outright buy. They heavily influence the outcome by blatant propaganda.

  32. Nonprofit: Tax-exempt v. tax-deductible-for-donors by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not 100% sure on this, but don't churches and other nonprofits have to avoid explicit endorsements too to retain their nonprofit status?

    Nonprofit isn't a single status. Certain nonprofits to which donations are tax-deductible for the donor have to avoid "substantial involvement" in politics, including explicit endorsements, to retain that particular status (Particularly, 501(c)(3) organizations, so called because their tax exemption is established in 26 U.S.C. sec. 501(c)(3)). When the group of people who make up a 501(c)(3) want to act collectively politically, they typically set up separate organizations which are also tax-exempt nonprofits, but to which donations are not tax-deductible for the donor, which can be substantially involved in politics.

    Most tax-exempt nonprofits are not restricted in their political involvement at all. See, generally, 26 U.S.C. sec. 501 [excluding 501(c)(3)].

    Furthermore, with regard to newspapers, any newspaper which chose to become a nonprofit (i.e., not to be operated for the benefit of private owners/shareholders) could do so now and become a 501(c)(3) now with the restrictions that would be imposed by this bill. So I don't see how this really provides any new options.

  33. What's preventing them them from doing this now? by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is my first thought - what is preventing them from doing this right now?

    There is noting that says you can't incorporate a "business" as a non-profit, or rather nothing prevents a non-profit from generating revenue. One of the major disadvantages is that since you don't have profit, it's hard to have investors, which makes getting capital for expansion harder.

    So to me the most important question is what does this bill allow the newspaper companies to do that a normal non-profit couldn't and is that really a good idea? Of course the story completely neglected to include that information.

    Why is it that every story I read, or news report I watch I leave thinking that journalists completely failed to investigate the heart of the story? They rarely even explain what the relevant details of the situation are, let alone think to ask any of the important questions (the ones I would ask :), instead just running whatever random quotes they could get from people.

  34. Omission is not always bias by orthancstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not every report needs to be a 10 page listing of everything going on.

    For example, why are protesters relevant? You're clueless if you don't get the idea that they are presenting an opposing viewpoint, but why do we need to know every anti-Democrat opinion there? If you want a story on it, it should be a SEPARATE story (or even editoral) and thus shouldn't be a part of the general convention coverage article. Thus omission isn't bias, it's proper reporting.

    By your argument, failing to report the tin-foil hat conspiracy version of stories is biased omission. But what is the cutoff? Presenting "both sides of the story" isn't the basis of unbiased reporting, it is the basis of turning editorials into reporting when it should be left to the opinion pages. I don't need to read the conservative counter to a Democrat's speech in an article about the speech. That counterspeech should be its own story or in the OP-ED.

    1. Re:Omission is not always bias by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For example, why are protesters relevant? You're clueless if you don't get the idea that they are presenting an opposing viewpoint, but why do we need to know every anti-Democrat opinion there?

      Because generally speaking, the reporting about the RNC is /certain/ to mention them. That's where bias leaks in, as GP stated - not so much in what is said, but what is left unsaid.

    2. Re:Omission is not always bias by orthancstone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, bullshit is making a claim with no backing. Asking for evidence instead of blindly agreeing is called DISCOURSE you twat.

    3. Re:Omission is not always bias by Sigismundo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not arguing that omission is always bias. It is, as you say, necessary for proper reporting. We rely on journalists to write articles of reasonable length, and make choices about what belongs in them. My point is just that it's possible to report "just the facts" and still end up with a biased article. You might disagree with my example, but surely you agree there is such a thing as biased omission?

    4. Re:Omission is not always bias by Unordained · · Score: 4, Informative

      Alicia Shepard, ombudsman at NPR, has a lengthy article and attached PDF with charts over here. The main article is about NPR and campaign coverage, but they have something to say about the "general" news bias as well, and not just about themselves; an extract:

      Timothy Groseclose is a political science professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, who also studies media bias. He and another professor published a study in 2005 that concluded that 18 of the 20 major media outlets studied (including NPR) were left of center, as compared to the average U.S. voter. Only Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume and The Washington Times scored to the right of the average U.S. voter. (Results are on P. 22 of PDF.)

      "By our estimate, NPR hardly differs from the average mainstream news outlet," said Groseclose. "It had the same scores as Time, Newsweek and was slightly less liberal than the Washington Post and well to the right of the New York Times and CBS Evening News. One of the surprising findings is that NPR is not as left as everyone says it is."

      NPR got a score of 66.3, with 50 being centrist and 100 being most liberal. The Wall Street Journal's news pages (not the well-known conservative editorial pages) got an 85.1 and The New York Times and CBS each got a 73.7.

      Does this mean that news organizations are, on average, to the left of the general public, or does it mean that we've been sold the idea that they're lefties, and we see them through that lens, and this shows up when asked about bias? That's another matter.

      Can we separate the concepts of coverage and quality? I would generally prefer to listen to something that sounds reasoned and equitable, though it may have a left-leaning bias, than listen to something clearly spewing, conspiratorial, and accusatory that has a balancing right-leaning bias. I care less about the bias than the approach to the news, to the guests, to the context.

    5. Re:Omission is not always bias by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An unbiased news report might look like this:

      Politician A today unveiled his plans for [some program]. The major parts of this program are [Part A],[Part B],[Part C]. The new legislation will be offered in the legislature next week.

      A biased new article is more like this:

      Politician A, whose approval ratings are at record lows, today unveiled his plans for [some program], which has been is blasted by [some hyperventilating critic] as [some affront to any number of fringe groups] . The major parts of this [controversial] program are [Part A],[Part B],[Part C]. The new legislation will be offered in the legislature next week but faces widespread opposition by [a minority of lunatics].

      Note that there would generally be several paragraphs detailing the supposed failings of the three parts and featuring criticism from various people who have not even seen the legislation.

      I suspect that if you are paying attention, you will notice that articles of the latter nature are more prevalent in the media today than.

      I care less about the bias than the approach to the news, to the guests, to the context.

      So you are OK with the condescending, arrogant attitudes that are typical of NPR?

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  35. Advantages by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At this point in time, there is still an advantage to using print that many people tend to neglect. Sure it's easier and more efficient to post to the web, where content can be dynamically generated and altered on the fly as updated statistics come in, but by allowing newspapers to die out you're severing awareness of the community for the people without access to the internet, in essence forcing a change to the new lifestyle. As the internet is a relatively new thing, it would behoove us to stick with something traditional for the space of a generation or so, rather than switching to the "latest and best toys". Internet access is still not freely available in the way a newspaper might be found on the street - one has to actually have a computer to access any information at all about your community. While access is becoming widespread, it's still another level of abstraction that makes it that much more difficult to reach for people who refuse to use computers, who can't afford computers (or access), or who don't know where in the enormity of the world-wide web to search for local information.

    This is similar to the argument from yesterday that the American lifestyle and physical community is built around having a car; most of the time those people without a vehicle are shafted by not having access to reliable public transportation systems and not being in reach of the jobs or services they need. At present, news is accessible in both formats, and should *stay* that way for awhile longer, through whatever means possible. Not sure if tax-exempt status is the answer, but the notion of keeping it afloat awhile longer interest me.

  36. Re:What a good idea by orthancstone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fixed that for you. Bias doesn't just swing to the right. A major complaint of a lot of people is that most of the media bias seems to be to the left.

    Really, mind pointing out who "a lot of people" are? I find it funny that so many people reference that the general public is sick of liberal bias in the media, yet I never actually see the evidence that proves it. I never see where the general public even acknowledges that it has a clue what said liberal bias is.

    Was it liberal bias that the majority of the nation didn't give two shits about a blowjob yet the media harped over it for a year and a half because a certain party was pushing the story daily?

    The so-called "liberal bias" in the media is nothing more than "conservative propaganda" being dished out. Sure, there's liberals in the media utilizing tv and radio just as well as conservatives. But acting like they are more prevalent is horseshit being fed to you by an agenda that's fooling you. Having a couple of segments per day of liberals doesn't make everything you do liberal bias (COUGHCNNCOUGH). Meanwhile Fox News is 24/7 conservative mouthpiece and yet no one has the balls to say the words "conservative media bias." Or maybe it has less to do with having the minerals and more to do with people spreading the word, which they've done blindly and without question in regards to the "liberal media bias."

    I tell ya, Murdoch and fellow conservatives have done a great job brainwashing the public. Apparently if you don't read the GOP line word-for-word all day long, you're liberal biased media. How fucking moronic.

    Wake me when the media stops sucking and the unwashed masses pull their heads out of their collective asses. The only story I see coming out of any station, CNN, Fox News, etc., is their obvious belief that their viewers are idiots who can't think for themselves. No thanks, I'd rather my media doesn't treat me like I lack the ability to come up with my own conclusions.

  37. Endowments by QuoteMstr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    David Swensen and Michael Schmidt proposed that newspapers simply receive endowments and operate off the interest, insulating them from commercial pressures and conflicts of interest. I think that's a fantastic idea, especially in conjunction with legal nonprofit status for newspapers.

  38. Re:What a good idea by SignalFreq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A somewhat more balanced media is in everyone's interest.

    What we need to do is dispense with the charade of calling it Journalism or News. It should be called Entertainment...

    EntertainmentPapers
    EntertainmentTV

    Perhaps setup a requirement that to be called News also requires full disclosure of sources. Maybe even restrict the use of 'pundits' or so-called 'experts'. Require opinions to be clearly labeled as such. Require all funding and payments to be publicly disclosed.

    Reporting from undisclosed sources could still occur, just not on 'News' channels. Only on 'Entertainment' channels.

    Just some random ideas...

  39. Re:What a good idea by AxelTorvalds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A big part of the problem is the blending of opinion and news. On Fox, they have a morning show, that's not a news show, it's a variety show with lot's of opinion, then at some point, like after 3pm, the news readers stop doing what they're doing and they roll out the prime time opinion guys, O'Reilly, Hanity, etc.. A lot of folks take exception to the opinion guys and they co-mingle them so much it's really hard to compare news to news. Personally, I find the morning shows the worst because they trot out a news reader to do some "news" and then just play grab-ass for 2 or 3 hours, talking. To some folks, the Today show is actually news and when Fox and HNN do it, they do inject a very specific brand of bias.

    MSNBC and HNN have nearly the same format, a morning variety show with varied opinion, but definitely not a "just news" program, some number of hours of news readers and then opinion guys/gals for primetime.

    Nobody from Fox News would ever claim that O'Reilly is a news man (well he might, who knows? His program clearly isn't a news program though, and even he'd say that) same with MSNBC, Olberman nas been very outspoken on the fact that's he's paid to give his opinion, that's the point of his show, and as such, it's not a news program. It was MSNBC that really botched it over the convention coverage and tried to use the prime-time opinion line up for news.

    Bottom line though, and it affects papers too, people tend to like to read opinions and editorials and they seem to like to watch it more than they like real news. You non-profit either the papers or the broadcast news and you probably have to dump them. There is probably a greater problem here if you take a step back; ABC,NBC, and CBS have been scaling back news for decades, they're basically down to a 30 minute evening news broadcast and that's about it without some sort of entertainment/investigative journalism spin. More people want to watch Jeopardy than "The News." Making papers non-profit might be a good way to make them cover more news and to protect them a little bit, but it remains unclear to me that people want to actually read news, they kind of like how they get to pick the kinds of "news" they can read or watch on their own and listen to the bias.

    Even the financial news has become a sham, and if there is ever something you should be able to report on without bias, it's the markets. They do more cheerleading than real news. They're poopooing Jon Stewart's criticism and he's the wrong messenger but his points are 100% valid. Honestly, I think a whole lot fewer people watch and you can hardly run a 24 network with real news, let alone the dozen or so that we've got. It's hard to put the horse back in the barn.

  40. Re:What a good idea by rjhubs · · Score: 3, Informative
    I am not going to disagree that there will always be some bias in everything. However, I don't believe the bias in the media is as bad as everyone believes. Here is the most recent study I know of that tried to quantify bias in the media: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

    The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.

    Sounds surprising right? The report eventually concludes to with that while most media leans left of center, they are almost all more moderate in comparison to our politicians.

    And no offense but I take it you are not a reporter. The fact that you would be unable to provide an unbiased article on the DNC does not indicate that people trained in journalism would be unable to do the same. The ability to put aside personal beliefs is a skill that is stronger in some compared to others. Lawyers do it everyday for instance.

  41. Re:What a good idea by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Yes it is, but "balanced reporting" is a myth."

    Which is exactly why we don't want the government doing the press any favors. It's going to be hard to get anything critical about the government from press that needs government favors to survive.

  42. Re:What a good idea by Tiger4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reporter bias, editor bias, assignment bias, publisher bias. Take your choice.

    The only people not biased are people that don't have any background in the subject. And they are worthless too, since they don't understand what they are seeing and hearing.

    Which leads us to how Entertainment Tonight covers political campaigns. Or maybe thats ABCNNBCBS Faux sensati-celebri-news. Hard to tell anymore.

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  43. Re:What a good idea by thedonger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe instead of shooting your mouth off you can make the observation that liberals and conservatives think the media is biased against their respective positions. Both sides dutifully drink the Kool Aid served up to them by whomever they consider a trustworthy source.

    There is liberal and conservative bias, predominantly on cable news, but it most often is in the form of very vocal editorial (O'Reilly, Olberman, etc.) rather than true journalism. Perhaps what we are seeing is the polarizing effect of editorial jousting combined with the decline of true journalistic integrity. The 'chicken-or-the-egg' argument can deal with which came first: a lack of education on the part of the viewers or the coercion of viewers by media moguls.

    There is lots of information out there, but if people stop looking once they get the answer that reaffirms what they already believe we will never be able to engage in a rational discourse.

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  44. Re:What a good idea by AB3A · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When everyone else in the world seems to have turned upside down, maybe it's time to look at your own orientation.

    Truthfully, until the internet came along, we used to get most of our daily news filtered through some reporter and editor. Today, we can read the federal register, congressional web sites, get blogs from people in the middle of a war zone, and so on.

    This is just like all the problems we're having with the RIAA, MPAA and others. Distributors do not have a monopoly on the news any more and they're losing out to people who want to get their information, movies, music, entertainment or whatever from the source.

    I won't argue whether "the media" is biased or not. It's rapidly becoming irrelevant. And now my very own Senator Ben Cardin wants to prop them up with my tax dollars.

    I have a better idea: let them die a normal, free-market death.

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  45. Re:What a good idea by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have you ever read The Economist ? These guys are economic conservative, and social liberals. Pretty much the opposite of Fox News: they advocate gay marriage, abortion...

    I find in particular that they try to separate facts from opinions, and to be reasonably pragmatic.

    Sample of articles for this week:

    Mr. Obama's first 2 months: http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13362078

    Religious people and death: http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13315834

    Funding impacting a research paper: http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13361480

    Online dating and the crisis: http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13381506

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  46. Re:What a good idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, mind pointing out who "a lot of people" are?

    A lot of people are Chinese. A fair old number are Indian. HTH.

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  47. Re:What a good idea by mdielmann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree entirely. There seems to be a bias on /. that scientists are some kind of creative robot, where it's all about the facts and no bias or preconceptions creep in. People who say as much get flamed for questioning the objectivity of scientists. I suppose they think they're some different kind of creature than what the rest of us humans are.
    Sure, bias can creep in, but objectivity can be applied. You may not achieve perfect balance and have the most correct interpretation of the event in question, but it's a lot better than if you don't even try.

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  48. Re:What a good idea by jimbolauski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The fair and balanced slogan is meant to be ironic, Fox News bias is the opposite of CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NYT, Newsweek, Times, Washington Post, NPR ... who all claim that they show little to no bias.

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  49. Bias by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does CNN management send memos to their reporters with instructions like "His [Bush's] political courage and tactical cunning ar[e] [wo]rth noting in our reporting through the day"? Memos that a former employee describes as "talking points instructing us what the themes are supposed to be, and God help you if you stray"?

    If so, I promise to despise them. If not, then Fox is a different kind of organization than CNN, not a differently biased one of the same kind.

    You can be biased and still be honest. You can be biased without being a party's house organ. I wish we had more bias like we get from The Economist, which wears their opinions on their sleeve while still doing real reporting.

  50. Bias by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why the more diverse sources of reporting there are, the better. Readers can read different reports which focus on different details and make up their own minds based on the whole. Unless of course they want to be spoon-fed a headline and two-sentence summary and sound bite of outrage, then they can watch Fox News.

    Incidentally I work as a newspaper reporter, and I think this senator's idea is great. So I am clearly declaring my bias.

    If diverse sources of reporting are conglomerated into fewer and fewer media sources (look at Canada as a micro-example, there are two companies controlling most of the daily newspapers across the country) then variety suffers. If this continues, as it will if corporatism dominates media through buyouts, bankruptcies, etc. then there will be very little diversity. You will have, essentially, what existed before the advent of the printing press - only the wealthy could afford to have anything recorded, so the they got to write history.

    The wealthy have often controlled the press (e.g. Hearst) but in the 20th century there were a wide variety of "slants" in print because it wasn't too hard for someone to round up investors, or start a non-profit and create their own publication. Today ownership of or access to a colour press capable of doing magazines or newspapers is prohibitively expensive and the biggest problem is the business model is broken. Few people want to pay for what they read, so subscription revenue is down, and advertising revenue is drying up.

    Yes, the Internet will change everything but no big media companies have found a way to make money off Internet-based publications on the same scale as their print products. And no one is going to pay to subscribe to a news website, that's been tried several times and in my opinion it will never work on a large scale.

    To bring my ramblings to a close, I think this senator's idea is great because it could pave the way for independent, Internet-based publications to thrive, providing news to niche markets, and as non-profits, they could solicit donations from loyal readers. That could be enough to allow investigative journalism to thrive again, and to allow small, independent publications to grow and thrive by the quality of their work, instead of by virtue of being the biggest game in town.

  51. Re:What a good idea by mdielmann · · Score: 2, Informative

    No thanks, I'd rather my media doesn't treat me like I lack the ability to come up with my own conclusions.

    My favorite is, "What happened (was discovered, almost happened) today, and why you should be scared." At least I know what they're trying to sell.

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  52. Did people lament the end of the town crier too? by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Newspapers replaced the town crier. Newspapers are the 21st century equivalent of the town crier. Newspapers will be replaced by something else that has advantages and disadvantages.

    Newspapers are largely full of things I don't care about and things that I don't understand why they even have like coverage of national sporting events. Aren't the multiple ESPNs and Fox Sports channels and websites enough? Why do newspapers have horoscopes? Why do they have comic strips that haven't been funny for 20+ years?

    If newspapers want to survive they need to figure out what they do better than any other medium. Coverage of what the news channels talked about yesterday isn't one of them.

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  53. Re:What a good idea by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which facts? Facts according to whom?

    All media choose to include certain facts, and exclude other facts.

    Here is a good example of media bias. Next time someone gets into trouble with the law, pay attention. The news headline will say "Prominent Republican So and so was caught ______ " while if it is a Democrat you might see "So and so under suspicion of _______". The bias is there, because facts are emphasized or de-emphasized according to the bias.

    It is up to you to realize that such things happen all the time, regardless of if is on FOX or NBC. The fact is, I can see the bias because I have a brain.

    I don't have a problem when people admit their bias (left or right). Just quit pretending you're unbiased when you're clearly not.

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  54. Re:On the face of it... by slashtivus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In your post you are trying to have it both ways. On the one hand you are saying that a profit newspaper needs to sell papers (that is NOT where the money is made) in order to survive.

    Then in the next statement you assume that 'large contributors' would be stupid enough to support something that you are insinuating is going to be ignored ("just needs to please the few large contributors").

    That is self-contradictory and tin-foil-hat-conspiracy-theory thinking at best. (That, or I you were not very clear).