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Charter Files For "Prearranged Bankruptcy"

jamie points out news that Charter Communications filed for "prearranged" Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Friday, primarily to reorganize some of the $21.7 billion in debt it has accrued. Quoting: "The St. Louis-based company seeks to emerge from bankruptcy as early as the end of summer and doesn't plan on selling any of its assets to competitors. After Chapter 11, interest costs at Charter, which has never posted a profit since going public in 1999 due to massive debt interest payments, will be cut in half to $830 million a year. The filing restructures about $8 billion of debt at Charter, which is controlled by Microsoft Corp. co-founder Paul Allen, but leaves about $13 billion of debt on its books. Allen will control 35 percent of the votes in the reorganized company. In the bankruptcy, Allen's 51 percent equity stake in the cable operator will be wiped out, along with shares of other stockholders. Allen also holds some debt and preferred stock."

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  1. Poor Paul... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Funny

    A financial setback like this might cause him to lose a house... Imagine being fourth homeless...

  2. Could it be their service? by bunyip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a cable internet customer, with Charter, for several years. It was flaky and crapped out at least once a month, and their service sucked. THey completely rewired my lot twice, each tech saying that the previous tech used the wrong cable, or just somehow did it all wrong. Can't say I'm sad to see Charter suffer.

    Currently have FiOS, the 15 Mbit download is pretty cool. Only had one minor problem and their support was good, and called back to make sure I was satisfied with their service.

    Hope this doesn't sound like a rant - but when we went over to the fiber optic service, the tech told us that Charter and other cable companies were driving a lot of frustrated people over to them.

    Alan

    1. Re:Could it be their service? by Mousit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hell, some people were lucky if they even got shitty service. My grandmother's really getting into the whole technology thing with gusto, and was after HDTV and high-speed internet. Guess what? Charter did not offer either option to her entire town (a close-in, well-established suburb of Dallas). In fact, they had no plans to EVER offer either one in "that market" as they put it. Suddenly I realized why so very, very many houses around there had sprung up satellite dishes.

      She even went up to the Charter office, and the girl that she talked to there actually said she was telling customers to get satellite. So that's what my grandmother did. She'd been a Charter customer literally since they became available in her area, even before they ever went public. Decades. Not anymore. She's a happy DirecTV customer now, with all her HDTV and her DVR. Loving it.

      She got AT&T DSL too, not the greatest choice but it's pleased her.

      Looking around at all the other dishes in the area (a lot of them are DISH network, I notice, which is owned by AT&T, so probably a lot of DSL customers too), it's not at all hard to see that Charter is hemorrhaging customers in that market, and I have little doubt that it is by far not the only place where they're making such stupid, asinine decisions that are forcing customers to leave them in order to get the service they clearly want.

    2. Re:Could it be their service? by leamanc · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see a lot of Charter bashing, I thought I'd put in my two cents in the interest of opposing viewpoints. I live "in the sticks" in Missouri, at the very tail end of what they consider the "St. Louis region." In fact, I'm in the farthest town they service. The rates are very good for my area, and the service has been better than anything else I've tried. I've had to have my cable modem replaced twice in five years, and suffered a couple of outages after big storms. Other than that, it's been great. What I pay for 10 megabit download, other folks in my area on other providers only get 3 megabit. The option to buy the cable modem instead of leasing it worked out good; it paid for itself in six months and now I'm paying even less per month.

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    3. Re:Could it be their service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looking around at all the other dishes in the area (a lot of them are DISH network, I notice, which is owned by AT&T, so probably a lot of DSL customers too)

      No, it isn't. DISH Network Corporation is its own publicly traded company, spun off from EchoStar Communications, which is the one that owns the fleet of satellites.

    4. Re:Could it be their service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As an employee of Charter Communications I resent your stance that you're glad anyone is in financial hardship. I can attest through my own observations and experiences that there is flaws in the customer service side. Since Charter outsourced their customer service department to "Convergsys" and "Teletch" based in locations such as the Phillipeans, the customer service quality has plummeted. The outsourcing companies undertrain their employees and the reps are not armed with much knowledge to properly resolve customer issues.

      I do believe the backbone is strong however. As with many large companies, there are going to be complaints of problems and inefficieancies. However, as someone with direct communications with customers, the very large majority are happy with their service, especially with the internet side of things.

      Another poster made the comment on how horrible the moxi dvr's are, and how many customers are frusterated. However, there has been a non-stop demand for these boxes and in some areas its hard to keep them in stock. These are by far our most requested DVR, far over the motorola dvr's. For equipment that is being "beta tested" there sure is a lot of happy customers with them.

    5. Re:Could it be their service? by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I post this, I upload a file to my friends ftp server all the way to California from Europe with my max upload speed, there is no "optimisation" or anything on both boxes either. One system is OS X Leopard and other is NetBSD.

      I can't say anything bad about a service like that as distance really matters between residential connections, especially when they have to pass 30-35 hops. If I moved to California, my service would really be charter.

      I can't understand what kind of "phone support" people get from a cable ISP either. Generally 192.168.*.* from local connection (the DOCSIS modem itself) would give lot more than ISP can get over there, especially with lousy connections.

      The only "customer service" you would need is because of the idiot DOCSIS guys. It is almost nightmare, hack of deepest hacks to get firmware updates as the standard had "set top TV box" as scheme of doing things. You must know the deal and that is the time when you call customer service. It took a month of frustration with my local ISP and I ended up buying a DSL modem instead of trying to update my Motorola DOCSIS modem. Otherwise, my local ISP was giving what I need too, they had the bandwidth they promised. I guess the frustration comes from the DOCSIS standard and how locked it is even when you need to do "white hat" things like firmware updates.

      The standard itself forces you to get phone support service for trivial tasks. I can't imagine convincing a Philippine guy to force update firmware of a Motorola SB5100 for instance.

  3. Oops, wrong number by Skapare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They only have 5.5M customers. So $2363 of debt per customer. How long will it be to pay THAT off?

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    1. Re:Oops, wrong number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's ok, for the first 6 months, they can pay an introductory rate of only $19.99/month

  4. Liquidate the entire damned company! by NoodleSlayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a former Charter customer all I can say is that they should just sell off all that company's assets wholesale. There's a reason why this company is hemorrhaging money, it's not just because of their massive amounts of debt, it's the crappy way they treat their customers.

    Charter's customer service made me long for Comcast's we-only-mildly-screw-you service. There was an entire MONTH where Charter in San Luis Obispo didn't know how to configure their damned routers so there was massive lag spikes (~2min lag spikes every 5 or so min) and about 300ms of lag when you weren't in a lag spike. They managed to get it set up in such a way that no one could directly log into AIM (it was possible through services like meebo) and if you called customer service they would first try to tell you that your computer was broken, and then that it was a "DNS issue."

    They forced these miserable Moxi boxes on everyone about a year before they were available at retail. Moxi is another one of Paul Allen's ventures, and in short they were using Charter's customers as beta test guinea pigs. Even the sales people in Charter's regional office were blasting those damn things calling them "pieces of shit" in front of the customers!

    1. Re:Liquidate the entire damned company! by Renraku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The more companies that drop out of a particular market, the more the remaining companies will try to screw you.

      Look for a massive hike in price at Comcast in the coming months. Either a price hike, tightening of the bandwidth cap, both, or something else that shows how important competition is.

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    2. Re:Liquidate the entire damned company! by NoodleSlayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's why PCWorld as worst in Customer service and in practically every single other cateory as well among the 14 Top ISPs? That's why the BBB had previously warned people about Charter's miserable customer service?

      Are you one of the customer support reps that LIE to people on the phone when they ask when the installer is coming?

      You can resent my stance all you want, you can pretend that the constant heap of shit you pile on your customers is making them happy, but it seems like there is an awfully large amount of incredibly unhappy customers.

  5. They're not all bad by geoffeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know a lot of comments here are going to be about their horrible customer service, unreliable network problems, etc. I know cause I've heard a lot of friends' (in St. Louis, where I live) horror stories. Maybe I'm the only customer that has been pleased with their services. Calling customer service has always been surprisingly pleasant and my issues resolved impressively quickly.

    AT&T's U-verse just became available in my area (when I moved here cable was the only option for high-speed internet, DSL didn't reach this far) but I really do not want to deal with the pain of switching my TV, DVR, internet and phone over to a different company. I already give AT&T too much money each month for my cell phone.

    Charter has done good by me (so far), they're a local company and I hope they come out of this stronger. Options and competition are a good thing for the kinds of services they offer.

  6. Re:13 billion!!!! by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how can the federal reserve system be allowed to run a 10 trillion dollar + pyramid scheme?

  7. Re:Its good to be the king by pandaman9000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is actually how the stock market is designed to work. As a shareholder, you are banking on a company's future success, in order to get a return on that investment.

    The unfortunate reality is that the way the market actually works, dividends paid out by holding onto shares are very small compared to the money being made by buying and selling at the best times for each. Like any other monetary investment, it helps to fully understand how the stock market works in day to day use, before diving in. I do not get involved in the stock market because of my lack of full understanding of it. I do see and understand that if you put money into most companies on the market, you should expect to cash in those stocks and switch them out at intervals. The result of bad timing is what happened to some of these Charter stock holders.

    I really feel that the stock markets give too much importance to showing profits at any cost. companies lie, and do things to get short term profits to keep their stock price supported. I often muse over whether a CEO is running a company or a stock value.

    While I am offtopic, i'll also throw in there that the media seems to rely upon the stock market for how the economy is doing. Oddly enough, the stock market is also affected by what the media's perception of current economic climate. This causes some amusing results, as a sudden spike in either feeds the other. While these spikes are limited overall, it still makes for some good entertainment while I wait to get any kind of employment.

  8. Re:Maybe Obama can just bail them out? by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, as the auto industry found out, you need to have Obama's friends working in your industry in order to qualify.

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  9. Re:13 billion!!!! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can a company be allowed to get 13 BILLION into debt!

    Because our brand of capitalism is based on borrowed money.

    Just about every company who employs more than 100 people is borrowing money daily in the commercial paper market just to pay its vendors and employees.

    That, coupled with the notion that there has to be constant, accelerating growth, that having a company that makes a profit and employs people that are happy just isn't enough, and you get a system that's made of borrowed money and workers who are exploited.

    One bright spot in this recent economic turmoil is that more people are learning a lot of surprising things about the way our "free-market capitalist" system really works. More of them are realizing that it's not "the immigrants" or "the blacks" or "Wall Street" or even "the government" that is destroying our way of life, it's something a lot more systemic.

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  10. it IS their service by Velex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    Where I live I currently have two options for broadband: slow DSL (512 kb up/2 Mb down on a good day) or slow Charter cable (768 Mb up/6 Mb down). I currently have DSL installed. Do you know why?

    Firstly, let me inform you that the answering service I dealt with during the incident I describe was located in St. Louis, MO, not in the Philippines.

    Last summer I was using Charter's cable service. It was flakey at best. One day there was a bad storm that resulted in major flooding in town. My cable service was up the entire time and weathered the storm surprisingly well. However, long after the storm died down and at some point over the next night, my cable service went down for no particular reason!

    Throughout the next day, my roommate and I placed several angry calls to try to get them to address the issue without CHARGING us for a service call.

    The only thing my roommate was able to determine through his efforts, as I've mentioned above, was that we were speaking with an answering service. That is, we weren't even dealing with a dedicated Charter call center, but an answering service, the kind that also handles calls for local doctors and HVAC companies after hours. It could be possible that we had reached a dedicated department, but he learned that we were not speaking to Charter employees.

    During my first call, I had to speak to a supervisor, who informed me that my call to report an outage was not enough for them to take action. She advised me to go knock on my neighbors' doors to find 5 other Charter customers who all had to be inconvenienced by calling in individually before Charter would address the issue.

    On my second call, I was able to reach a more competent individual. (As a side note, I work at an answering service, and it can very frequently happen that experienced agents and supervisors are wholly incompetent at doing anything more than saying they can't do anything despite having been given training on customer-specific software. Not that I'm bitter or anything.) She was able to access some actual equipment and verify that 20/50 customers on my node were without service and told me a technician would be able to be dispatched in a few hours.

    I was flabbergasted it took that much effort to find someone who could access the actual equipment. When I had a different DSL provider than I do now, the simple act of reaching someone on the phone was enough to get to someone who was able to access the equipment. Sometimes they were able to resolve the problem right over the phone by remotely configuring and troubleshooting the equipment assuming no hardware failure. I can't quite have that with my current DSL service, but their Mumbai-based call center is vastly more helpful than Charter's St. Louis, MO answering service. What's going on here?

    Finally, my cable modem synched up later that night, almost 18 hours after it went down. However, their DHCP server was not working, so I forced my cable modem to its last logged IP address and I was back up. Too bad for the people who had to wait for the DHCP and DNS servers to come back up 2 full days later.

    That is not acceptable.

    Charter's financial problems are directly the result of a free market at work. I could have faster internet, but they pissed me off so badly that I'm satisfied with slower, stabler DSL service to have access to competent support. It's very refreshing to be able to speak with someone in 1st level support who knows what an IP address is. Maybe people in Mumbai are more competent than people in St. Louis.

    Thank you.

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