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PRS Demands License Fee To Play Music To Horses

An anonymous reader writes "A woman in Bushton, Wilts, has been told by the Performing Rights Society (PRS for Music) that she needs to pay an annual fee in order to play classical music from the radio to the horses in her stable, something that she has been doing for the past 20 years. The PRS claims that it's not about the horses — rather, it's about her staff of over two people, which puts Mrs. Greenway in the same category as shops, bars and cafes. 'The staff are not bothered whether they have the radio on or not, in fact they don't particularly like my music and turn if off when I'm not around,' said Mrs. Greenway, 62. 'Especially on windy days I try to play it — it gives [the horses] a nice quiet atmosphere, you can only exercise one horse at a time so it helps the others to stay calm. We are right next to the RAF Lyneham air base so it dulls the noise from the aircraft as well.'"

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  1. lolwut by RuBLed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is already tuning to a local Classic FM radio station, from what i had read she isnt even playing her own CD's, tapes etc.

    brb, I'm setting my radio now to max volume and pointing it at the street. Now if everyone would just do the same...

    1. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In some countries it doesn't matter what the source of the music is. CDs or Radio played at the workplace/shop/gym is counted as public performing and these lovely people want royalties from that, nevermind how miniscule the audience.

      It's kinda like the debacle in Finland a few years ago when the local music IP organization demanded that taxis start paying a radio play fee since radio during a fare "gives added value to the service". AFAIK ever since most taxi drivers in Finland just stopped playing the radio... Double dipping, or more like triple dipping. There really is not shame to these people.

    2. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the case of classical music; the piece itself may no longer be subject to copyright, but the interpretation and any performances of it are. This is why many old classical pieces are not as freely available as you might think.
      Of course, the original copy is not subject to copyright, but musical notation has changed a lot in the last 200 years.

    3. Re:lolwut by daveime · · Score: 4, Funny

      A sign language version would be an obvious "format shifting" violation, and then she'd have to pay even more money to the man, or risk some nonsensical IP law being applicable.

    4. Re:lolwut by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Easiest solution is to buy each employee a pocket radio. Greed to the point of insanity, if you many people listen to one radio pay fee, if each person listens to an individual radio no fee.

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  2. So stop... by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She should simply stop. Get a buttload of dirt cheap CDs in the bargain basement bin for $0.99 each, or better yet, get a lot more stuff off a site such as Magnatune or an Internet radio station, and let the PRS rot in hell in total irrelevance. I think they've completely lost the concept that they need this woman, in actually having an avid listener, a hell of a lot more than she needs them.

    1. Re:So stop... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      She should simply stop. Get a buttload of dirt cheap CDs in the bargain basement bin for $0.99 each, or better yet, get a lot more stuff off a site such as Magnatune or an Internet radio station, and let the PRS rot in hell in total irrelevance.

      The issue is not radio versus personally owned copy. The PRS appears to be claiming that this is a public performance (see that PRS stands for Performing Rights Society). In which case it doesn't matter how the music is acquired, only that the way she is playing it in a way that she is not licensed for.

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    2. Re:So stop... by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My solution would be (since the other reply is right -- your personal CDs are the same as a radio for lic. purposes) to find a radio station that played ONLY royalty-free music, and make sure everyone knew WHY I chose that.

      Tho the only one I can think of offhand plays decidedly unrestful music :)

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    3. Re:So stop... by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Interesting

      She could always get royalty free music.

    4. Re:So stop... by eggz128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only problem then is the hassle of convincing the PRS that such a thing as "Royalty Free Music" exists.

      From time to time when they telephone here I consider screwing with them... trying the royalty free line... but I always end up thinking better of it and just tell them (the truth!) that we don't play any music here.

    5. Re:So stop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They seem to be targeting all farms lately. Playing music to the cows when milking, playing music in the tractor, etc.,

      Don't open any of the letters.

      Get your phone on the TPS (telephone preference service) http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/
      There is also ctps (corporate telephone preference service)

      If they phone report them! They can get fined up to £5,000 for each call. The more people who do this the better, as it will hit them in the pocket.

      They have a legal right to collect monies for their clients. Not to harrass you, or come onto your land without your permission.
      If they come onto your land they are Tresspassing!

  3. The horses are upset by this by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Funny

    As is evident by their long faces.

    1. Re:The horses are upset by this by Reason58 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The one on the left has complained so much about this that it is a little horse.

  4. Easy solution! by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny

    She should tape a few hours of music from the radio, then play it backwards to the horses. That way, she's not playing any actual RIAA music to anybody, (and the horses probably won't understand the subliminal messages anyway).

    1. Re:Easy solution! by Z80xxc! · · Score: 5, Funny

      She's still playing the same music, she's just playing it backwards. Of course, that means the PRS has to be payed for the music backwards — and give her money.

  5. Re:Easy solution! - one big problem by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'll all be depressed when they think Paul is dead!

  6. Re:Isn't classical public domain? by ndogg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Copyright laws do distinguish between the work, and the performance thereof.

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  7. The real solution by Greymoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Send £99 worth of horse shit to the PRS. Tit-for-tat.

  8. They need to pay. by Ken+Broadfoot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, think the horses should pony up and pay. Musicians need the cash.

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    1. Re:They need to pay. by g2devi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, I didn't want to stirrup any trouble.

      While I agree Musicians need a stable income, should animals be saddled with such debt? What should our mane priority be as a society? Answering that question, is our first hurdle.

  9. Easy solution. by feepness · · Score: 5, Funny

    Horse headphones.

  10. OK by TRRosen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lets just all agree to pretend that Britain doesn't exist.

  11. play public domain music by greatpatton · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is more than enough public domain classical music (remember that in Europe it's only 50 years for performers). So find some Mozart recorded more than 50 years and tell them to go to hell.

  12. Re:Wilts isn't a country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, I'm the original submitter. Sorry I didn't think of adding UK after Wilts. I thought people would figure out from the insanity of the story that these were the British we were talking about.

  13. What won't the PRS do? by Asztal_ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's not forget the time the PRS sued the police! This is all getting rather silly.

  14. In Holland it's even worse by Farenji · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a business at my home with me being the only employer. But I received a letter from the SENA (equivalent of PRS) stating that I need to pay for music played in my own home, for my ears only. The letter showed 2 options: "1. I don't play music at all" and "2. I do play music, please send me a check". I missed the option "3. I have a private business in my home without any personnel so I can play any music I like for free, sod off". I complained about that and after a few months and several letters, I got the answer: "you're right sir, but most people pay anyway!" We're talking about 90 Euro each year minimum.

    Please note that this SENA is backed by the government. It's a crooked world.

    1. Re:In Holland it's even worse by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...I received a letter from the SENA (equivalent of PRS) stating that I need to pay for music played in my own home, for my ears only.

      Same shit applies in most European countries - seen it in Belgium. The irony of the case I saw, was it was a Thai supermarket - they only played music off imported Thai CDs. Do you think any of the original artists get a cent from this collection body?

      No, neither do I.

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  15. Re:Solution by PHPfanboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It might not be that big, but compared to the falling CD market, it's stable

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  16. Don't tell the PRS by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But I play music for the dogs on Guy Fawkes night. The music distracts them from the sound of the fireworks. It would never have occurred to me that this could be a "public performance".

  17. We need an LRS by dontmakemethink · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We need a Listener's Rights Society, where we can be compensated for hearing music we DON'T want to hear. Think about it, how many times do you hear an awful song in a situation where you can't turn it off? And they want royalties for that?!

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  18. Re:Bring it on... by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, they could send an army of lawyers and bailiffs after her, but all she has to do in court is say she's unable to pay, and that will pretty much be that.

    Considering it's "her stable" she may have difficulty showing that she doesn't have the assets to pay the fine or for the license that she will still need. If the ordinary small business can't cover its liabilities then it goes bankrupt and the creditors take its assets (it has to be a really big business before the government steps in and gives the failed business its creditors assets).

    As others have pointed out, it's nothing to do with playing the music to the horses and everything to do with other members of staff being able to hear it. That needs a licence in England and Wales (don't know about Scotland). So scrub the stuff about horses; all this story is is "You need a licence to play a radio in an English workplace", which we don't like (although at least we no longer need a licence to operate a radio receiver anywhere) but isn't news.

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  19. Re:Solution by ciderVisor · · Score: 3, Funny

    How big could the stable music market possibly be?

    You'd be surprised. It's the next biggest market after house music and garage music.

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  20. Re:Wilts isn't a country by digitig · · Score: 5, Informative

    It also raises the question of whether you should write England or UK. I was taught to write England as a child, but UK seems to be common these days.

    "England" and "UK" are different things. And "Great Britain" is different again. The most general designation is "UK", or, to give it its full designation, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", from which you'll be able to work out that "UK" includes Northern Ireland, "Great Britain" is the rest of the country. Great Britain is, in turn made up of England, Scotland and Wales. Calling somebody from Scotland "English" is likely to go down about as well as calling somebody from the deep south of the USA a "Yankee".

    England and Wales have a common legal system; Scotland and Northern Ireland each has its own legal system. So when talking about legal matters, it's best to be specific and say "England", "Scotland" or whatever. When referring to the country, it's "UK". The term "Great Britain" seems only to exist to piss off the Irish, as, for instance, when we refer to our Olympic team as "Team GB" thereby ignoring the Northern Irish contribution.

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