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Harvard Law's Nesson Says P2P Is "Fair Use"

eldavojohn writes "Ars has been covering the story of Charlie Nesson (alias 'Billion Dollar Charlie') of Harvard Law who's tangoing with the RIAA in court. His approach has been revealed in e-mails on his blog and has confused everyone from Lawrence Lessig to the EFF. His argument is simple: file-sharing is legal as it is protected by fair use. I dare say that even the most avid file-sharers among us would be a bit skeptical of this line of reasoning."

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  1. Methinks... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...going to Harvard is not a guarantee of sanity. Just looking at this guy's blog seems to confirm that suspicion. Of course, I wish him the best of luck! If he somehow manages to successfully argue his case, I will be very happy for him. Shocked, but happy.

    1. Re:Methinks... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's faintly conceivable that he may be attempting to assert that p2p distribution provides a positive benefit to the copyright holder in the form of increased exposure.

      In other words, that P2P is the worlds most efficient viral marketing campaign.

      The plus is, p2p is non-commercial, and non-commercial use is usually considered favorably. The minus is, the entire product (which has a monetary value) is being distributed against the express wishes of the copyright holder. That's usually considered a bad thing.

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    2. Re:Methinks... by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I pretty much think this guy is the Jack Thompson we want to win, except if people like that get to win, then Jack Thompson might too, and we lose.

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    3. Re:Methinks... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Baen Books does this very thing, they offer 100% free, complete versions of the ebooks (high quality, in multiple formats, not shit) by any of their authors willing to participate. 43 authors choose to do so, and the vast majority of them saw a major boost in sales of their entire catalog when they did.

      http://www.baen.com/library/

      Eric Flint, one of the co-founders of the free program, spells it out with his own book sales. Basically, he made 85% of his money on a book of his in the first six months, another 8% or so the following six months, about 1.5% for the next year. That's when he put it online for free, and a funny thing happened. His sales doubled from the previous 6 month period, and had grown another 50% for the following period.

      My money is on "pirated" music being the only thing propping the industry up right now. If they actually find a way to snuff out internet music sharing, it very well could be their downfall.

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      Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  2. Re:Lessig? by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only alternative to copyright is... nothing. You can't copyright a concert. You can't copyright movie theater seats. Yet you can still sell those. If copyright disappeared overnight there would be plenty of things still being shared.

    Stop think of P2P as the enemy... try thinking about it as "free publicity"

  3. Re:Pipe dream by Idiomatick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At 150,000$ per mp3 it would cost $28,597,527,272.73 to fill the drive. Or around 3 times the GDP(yearly) of Jamaica. Oh and with a 45$/mnth connection you can download that every two days.
    So... with 150$ and a month you can steal 460billion dollars worth of mp3s. Or the yearly gdp of Sweden.

    (I totally get the RIAA now, really big numbers are fun!)

  4. Red herring? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unlike Prof. Nesson, I can see no advantage flowing to my clients and future clients from my tipping my hand to the RIAA.

    Which makes me wonder if Charlie Nesson might be leading the opposition down the garden path, attempting to bury any real leaks out of his student brain trust under a barrage of unrelated sideshow acts?

    (I'm reminded of an alleged CIA tactic called "the second cover": You wrap the secret in TWO cover stories. The first is plausible, even if potentially easily detected as bogus. The second is the kind of stuff you read about in tabloids and certain late-night talk shows (some of which may be the fossils of old second cover stories). When somebody penetrates the first cover they find the second cover. At that point any of several things may happen, including: A) They believe the second cover. Hilarity ensues. B) They "recoil" back to the first cover. C) They become suspicious of any other reports on what is actually under the covers.)

    (Then again, maybe Charlie's mind has finally gone. B-( )

    As with NYCL's adversaries, we'll know what the Billion Dollar Charlie team's arguments REALLY are when we read them in the court papers. B-)

    Meanwhile, if this is what is going on, I hope my speculation (if it has any effect) adds to the confusion rather than blowing the cover.

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    1. Re:Red herring? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unlike Prof. Nesson, I can see no advantage flowing to my clients and future clients from my tipping my hand to the RIAA.

      Which makes me wonder if Charlie Nesson might be leading the opposition down the garden path, attempting to bury any real leaks out of his student brain trust under a barrage of unrelated sideshow acts? (I'm reminded of an alleged CIA tactic called "the second cover": You wrap the secret in TWO cover stories. The first is plausible, even if potentially easily detected as bogus. The second is the kind of stuff you read about in tabloids and certain late-night talk shows (some of which may be the fossils of old second cover stories). When somebody penetrates the first cover they find the second cover. At that point any of several things may happen, including: A) They believe the second cover. Hilarity ensues. B) They "recoil" back to the first cover. C) They become suspicious of any other reports on what is actually under the covers.) (Then again, maybe Charlie's mind has finally gone. B-( ) As with NYCL's adversaries, we'll know what the Billion Dollar Charlie team's arguments REALLY are when we read them in the court papers. B-) Meanwhile, if this is what is going on, I hope my speculation (if it has any effect) adds to the confusion rather than blowing the cover.

      I hope you're right, and it's all a clever diversionary tactic intended to confuse and distract friend and foe alike from the real objective.

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  5. Re:Lessig? by garett_spencley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every single good or service that has ever been invented has been done to satisfy some kind of need or desire.

    When you buy something, you are acting to relieve some form of uneasiness. Maybe it's just boredom or to be part of a fad (the pet rock comes to mind), or maybe it's for survival (food, clothing, shelter etc.). But every single product or service has only existed because people, at the time they were consuming that product, felt that it made their lives better.

    So if people are staying home to watch movies, then either the need that going to the theater once satisfied is being better satisfied by other means, or the cost of going to the theater is no longer in line with their subjective valuations regarding what doing so is worth to them, or the need has vanished all together.

    Assuming the need is being filled by something better (or cheaper or both), we now have some new invention that replaces the utility of a movie theater. If movie theaters all go out of business then those entrepreneurs, capitalists and employees will go into production that fills more urgent needs.

    This process always involves a restructuring and people will be temporarily unemployed. But any attempt to force conditions to remain the same will be futile in the long run, and will only prolong the restructuring process. It's thus better for everyone if the movie theaters either go out of business or shrink to satisfy a smaller market.

  6. Re:Pipe dream by cenc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My father was a criminal defense attorney / prosecutor. His most effective defense in front of a jury, "the sucker had it coming". Seemed to work especially well when the client was obviously guilty such as bar room fights with 100+ witnesses.

    Many of his acquittals and jury nullifications he got in his carrier where some variation on that very simple theme. This argument is not that much different. Everyone likes fairness, even if it is not fair.

    Just about anything the RIAA might come up with will look more complex, confusing, and simply unfair.