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French Assembly Rejects Three Strikes Bill
An anonymous reader writes "The French Assembly has rejected the Three Strikes bill (in French!) which would allow ISPs to cut off users found to have been downloading protected content after two warnings.
Summary: the Sarkozy administration can go back with a new draft for approval by both chambers or try to get upper house approval of a softer version without the cutoff passed by the lower house."
Thats strike 1
I would give everything i own for a little bit more.
Mmmm... Is it any surprise that it would be rejected "in French!"?
I hate being rejected in French. The woman is always trying to say something like "get away you impudent fool", but it always sounds like they are saying they are dying to make love to me, and cannot wait to get to a hotel room.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
As if the National Assembly would adopt a policy rooted in the Diversion Nationale de les Etats Unis.
say bone!
They have not been swayed by the blackmail of the nefarious Italians who exercise covert control over the "mainstream" media. If only our Nation were so bold and noble.
In keeping with French tradition, the disgruntled music industry executives must now start a riot in the suburbs.
It is just that being french she has to talk dismissily to americans, it is in the EU constitution. Brits suck up, Italians rob you blind, we dutch sell you drugs and the french talk down to you. Oh and the germans start wars you arrive to late.
Sorry, but you have been missing out on a lot of free and high quality foreign babe sex.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
The opposition took advantage of the very low attendance by the majority party: a dozen opposition MPs showed up at the last minute (apparently coordinated by my deputy, Mr Bloche), preventing the majority from gathering its troops. The vote failed 15 to 21 (there are 577 members in the lower chamber).
The law is not rejected for good, because the government can (and probably will) push for a second reading in both chambers, and it has a large enough majority to get it through. But this event is going to push the issue into the spotlight, and may also allow the European Parliament to once again vote its opposition to the principle (amendment 46 to the Telecom Package), while the opposition gains team.
Indeed, just a few days ago, a few prominent actors and directors such as Catherine Deneuve or Victoria Abril signed an open letter opposing the law, thereby disproving the main talking point of the proponents: not all artists are united behind Sarkozy-Universal.
Christian Paul represents the Nevers' district, and he was one of the major opponents :)
Common sense is *NOT* being punished when you get *ACCUSED* of doing something.
I don't speak french, I haven't read the legislation, I am not a lawyer... but the talk on this site is that the problem with what they are trying to pass is that three strikes = three accusations. Court of law? Innocent until proven guilty (if that applies in France)? Proof that IP = Identity (and not some kind of spoof, tampered logs, etc)? All of that is gone by accusations.
If your guilty of something, fine... but 3 accusations and your out? Fuck that noise. And you can say that in any language (not just french)
Way to go Frenchies! Nicely done.
This is my sig.
(disclaimer: written by a native "is baseball a kind of dutch cheese?" country). The Assembly is now entering some holidays so press will enjoy the news for the next days, but be sure the law will pass in less than two months (as Mr. Sarkozy has personally expressed a deep interest into it). Even if a very unlikely situation would happen & the text is then supported by a minority and would never been voted as it is, the government has a magic kind of "execute order 66" to bypass assembly and will not be afraid to use it (they already done it). This is the kind of democracy we get in France since Mr. S has arrived where he wanted to!
Because it is easy enough to make it look like someone downloaded something illegally, when they really didn't. Also, if I remember correctly this law does not give the cut-off customer legal recourse (if you say they did something illegal, prove it in court or GTFO).
The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
As much as I don't like him, it's "Sarkozy" with a "k", not a "c". And please trolls, stop the French sentences with a mistake in every one of them.
Okay, but how would the Sarkozy administration react?
Pedantic? Well okay, but is it too much to ask that they get the President's name right? Sheesh...
Meta will eat itself
No, this bill only affects you if you are accused by a private company of having broken the law - no attempt will be made of finding out whether you actual did download something, and you will not be informed of what you are accused of having downloaded, so you will be unable to defend yourself.
Also it's not "three strikes and you're out" it's "one strike and you're out" - you may receive two warnings by e-mail if the HADOPI feel like it, but being e-mail nobody can be sure it'll get through.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
So you're perfectly ok with being kicked off the Internet for being accused of theft, regardless of whether or not you actually committed the act? I'm perfectly ok with you being kicked off the Internet for supporting that idea.
Don't fool yourself, this (temporary) rejection was only possible because some of the left wing party sneaked at the last minute to vote AGAINST the proposal. There were not enough right wing (government) politicians in the assembly to vote for it and the text was rejected.
This, however, changes NOTHING in the long run: despite being a stupid, non-applicable, lobbied-by-the-SACEM*-to-maintain-the-outdated-cash-machine, this law *will* be accepted in the end, since the government has enough of its own members of the Assemblee Nationale to vote for it, regardless of what the other "deputes" do.
When this stupid law is effective everybody loses, except maybe for recoding companies which will be able to seat for 20 more years on their obsolete business plan.
Sorry, that's one warning by e-mail and one recommended letter. So "two strikes".
Watch this Heartland Institute video
There are already existing punishments for copyright infringment en France, obviously. But this law would have :
-completly bypassed due process and the judicial system
- put all the burden and the cost on the internet providers for the technical, who then would have been legitimized when asking to drop net neutrality
- imposed a government spyware on all computers, for proving that you didn't do anything wrong on your computer
- kept pushing for the big content way of selling music (they wanted to ask google to put the officially approved online music store on the top results when searching for music downloads !), while doing nothing to promote inovation in the sector.
"The French Assembly has rejected the Three Strikes bill (in French!)"
Well, I guess we must be thankful they rejected it in French. Just think how awkward it would have been if they had rejected it in English, say, or Russian, or God forbid, Chinese.
Everything you want to know about Hadopi can be found here (Fr).
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. --Ben Franklin
False! I have played baseball in France, more than once.
I surrender!
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
Indeed, many people said there were a lot of issues with that law : it's technically ridiculous, the law would anyway be unconstitutional, there are huge problems with privacy. But the government hoped that people would be scared of that law and stop using p2p. It's definitely not a good reason for such a law, but as usually Sarkozy's (beware the spellingâ¦) government is out of touch with reality.
Sorry to break it to y'all: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poney ("Pony" comes from the old French "poulenet", which meant "small colt".)
Translating a section from the article:
What?
You don't shoot first then blame the world for your problems?
Percentage of Slashdot readers who RTFA when it's in English: less than 10%
Percentage of Slashdot readers who RTFA when it's != English: less than 2%
(These numbers based on my own estimations, with zero research to back them up)
Given the previous discussion on the AP, I found this article by the AP on google. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4VjVAXxp684miiKgGtfUEnU04OQD97EV64O0 However, the AP article fails to mention that no proof is required, only 3 accusations.
Atlas stands on the earth and carries the celestial sphere on his shoulders.
fun fact, out of roughly 570 deputes, only 34 were present during the vote. No question asked regarding what these guys do instead of working...
Does the French Administration all gather in a room, arms on shoulders with each other and sing(?):
So it's one, two, three strikes you're out
at the down load game!
um...troll?
I'm not trolling anything, the article states that the bill specifies those who 'have been found to download' to me that implies a burden of proof that an illegal act was committed.
Assuming that there is a burden of proof, than I absolutely agree that there should be a series of punishments for committing a crime.
You will not beat the RIAA/MPAA/etc by stealing their content, the only way to really affect the market is to support artists who welcome new technology. Claiming something isnt worth paying for and then downloading and listening/watching/wtfever to it simply gives them the impression that there IS a demand for their product and that they SHOULD keep fighting for its protection.
You are accused of murder. this is your strike #1. I do not need any evidence.
If you get accused of murder two more times, you WILL be sentenced to death (or will spend the rest of your life in prison if your local laws do not allow executions). You DO NOT have the right to a trial. You DO NOT have the right to a lawyer. You DO NOT have a right to an appeal.
(I'm now calling two of my friends, you will be in prison in no time)
.. that the industry (ISPs) that seems to not be able to detect 'bot traffic and spam emitters well enough to shut those hosts down should be expected to detect downloads of "protected content" and then take action.
Well, apparently, you only have to fool the majority of people for a little while.
"cheval" (singular) becomes "chevaux" in plural.
LOL it's "Sarkozy", not "Sarcozy" (not a french name btw)
Since when is anyone in France against strikes?
Space game using normal deck of cards: http://BattleCards.org
http://voice.liberal.ca/pages/on_probation
go here and vote the hell out of the seocnd one about infrastructure
it outshot every other topic for like a week and suddenly in last day 722 votes went to another topic.
LETS SHOW THEM WHO THE PEOPLE REALLY ARE
you get 3 votes total per person
so all we need are 300 out of all this to make a difference.
We have a minority government that these liberals COULD tip things in our balance for BOTH copyright and net neutrality.
I don't understand why everybody is so happy when these bills fail to pass.
Let them pass.
And then accuse every member who voted for it of downloading copy righted material. Make sure you accuse some of the aides, secretaries, etc. too. Try your best to make sure every last governmental office is taken off line. Accuse several of the CEOs in the music and film industries too. I see all sorts of potential in this.
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Frederic Lefebvre is the biggest douchebag and a major proponent of that law. That idiot had left the parliament for lunch and missed the vote.
I need you all to send him an email at: flefebvre@assemblee-nationale.fr, ask him if he enjoyed his lunch. You can do it in english.
1. It makes the gov't look foolish, and it's attracted lots of media attention
2. This will push the final vote back to just before the European Parliament election; it will either cost Sarkozy's party quite a few votes, or make them want to give it up
3. It will give time to the EP to vote their anti-3 strike amendment once more.
Three accusations without evidence in order to inflict the penalty? That's a better deal than Dreyfus got.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
How do you say, "The people who are called Francis they go to the house"?
You have been found to be a terrorist and a pedia^H peado^H, ummm, a kiddy diddler. By me, right now.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
...and they called it the Gestapo!
Seems RIAA extremities and out-of-proportion sanctions have reached us Europeans as well...
"We r in ur pipes, killing ur flow."
Actually, connecting the sewer pipe to your tap in kitchen's sink, but that's another story...