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"Tweenbots" Test NYC Pedestrian-Robot Relations

MBCook recommends Kacie Kinzer's tweenbots page, which documents some of her experiments with small, anthropomorphized robots that need help. Kinzer is writing a thesis (at the Center for the Recently Possible) centered around investigating whether people in New York City will help a cute little robot to get where it's going. "Tweenbots are human-dependent robots that navigate the city with the help of pedestrians they encounter. Rolling at a constant speed, in a straight line, Tweenbots have a destination displayed on a flag, and rely on people they meet to read this flag and to aim them in the right direction to reach their goal."

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  1. Good Grief by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Griefers will love this toy.

  2. Anyone else surprised... by Briareos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that the bomb squad didn't show up?

    np: Radiohead - Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2) (Airbag / How Am I Driving?)

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    1. Re:Anyone else surprised... by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When tourists see it, they say, "New York City." and take pictures.
      When natives see it, they say, "New York City." and move on.

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    2. Re:Anyone else surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a reason they're doing this in New York, and not Boston, there. Keep in mind that those things were in other major cites, and Boston is the only major city in the world to order evacuations over LED animated cartoon characters.

      There's a reason that Boston isn't known for anything except baked beans and New York is a center for culture, art, music, and science.

    3. Re:Anyone else surprised... by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As someone born and raised in NYC (I didn't spend most of my days on the playground, though), I can say I'm not surprised in the least.

      This city is as "business minded" and conservative as it is "artsy" and liberal. Quite frankly, there's so much shit going on in this city on any given day that things like this just don't seem like anything important.

      I can't begin to tell you how many times I've managed to walk through the middle of a TV show or movie taping simply because I was walking to the subway, or how many unique pieces of art I've actually stepped on (because they were built into the sidewalk) - all of which were genius in their own right, and would be praised as such in any smaller city, but because of the overwhelming amount of stuff here, its artistic importance is significantly diminished.

    4. Re:Anyone else surprised... by harry666t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It must be fun to live there. In my city (Bydgoszcz, Poland), the most interesting random thing I recently saw happening on a street was a bunch of cats sitting together with pidgeons:

      http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/059/f/1/freedom_by_harry666t.jpg

      However, the only thing that actually keeps making my city less and less attractive to me, is that it's getting harder and harder for me to get lost in it. I just know it too good, and I like exploring new places, getting somewhat lost, turning a short, 3h walk into a "where am I and how the fuck do I get back home from here".

    5. Re:Anyone else surprised... by Briareos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a reason that Boston isn't known for anything except baked beans and New York is a center for culture, art, music, and science.

      Heh.

      My home town is this year's European "Capital of Culture" (aka "Linz 09")...

      I still don't see how putting a ferris wheel on top of a parking garage is very cultural, but maybe that's just me.

      np: Herbert - Harmonise (Scale)

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    6. Re:Anyone else surprised... by kv9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It must be fun to live there. In my city (Bydgoszcz, Poland), the most interesting random thing I recently saw happening on a street was a bunch of cats sitting together with pidgeons:

      there's a joke in there about polish cats, but I can't quite figure it out.

    7. Re:Anyone else surprised... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Idunno... there's still Jersey.

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    8. Re:Anyone else surprised... by fractoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'll notice that it's facing away from the stack of pigeons, because it's a reverse polish cat. It's preparing to perform a:

      rot # cat is now facing a pigeon
      dup
      dup2 # there are now 5 pigeons
      pounce # takes 5 pigeons and a cat on the stack, returns 4 pigeons
      # saved in temporary variables with high velocities and an incremented cat

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    9. Re:Anyone else surprised... by Wodin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We Dutch are the rudest people in the world, so you can still learn a lot from us I think. In Amsterdam these little robots would be flattended or thrown in a canal in no time.

      Interesting, given that New York City was at one time called New Amsterdam :)

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  3. The bad thing about Tweenbots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Constantly text messaging other tweenbots.

    1. Re:The bad thing about Tweenbots... by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tweenbots: easily the most annoying robot ever.

    2. Re:The bad thing about Tweenbots... by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tweenbot: ask nice robot lady to upgrade module so i can write capital letters

      I was just thinking how hilarious and interesting it would be to find out where they were planning to release one of these, and mug it during the test, and do a 30 second Indy pitstop to upgrade it with say, voice or something else before they could react, and scatter, and see what the coordinators thought of that...

      A little turmabout, let THEM become the social experiment... :)

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  4. I am AWESOM-O by relikx · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's what I think of when I hear tweenbot

  5. I am Paddle-to-the-Sea by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please put me back in the water.

  6. Cute robot by Alarindris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what would happen if he had a frowny face? Or changing the wording on the flag to be less helpless or even rude?

    I've always wondered if I took a postcard, wrote someone's name and city to be delivered to, and gave it to a random person. Would it ever get there? I'm going to try it tonight.

    1. Re:Cute robot by orangepeel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your post reminds me a little of the "Postal Experiments" that I remember reading about amongst some comments here on Slashdot nearly 10 years ago:

      We sent a variety of unpackaged items to U.S. destinations, appropriately stamped for weight and size, as well as a few items packaged as noted. We sent items that loosely fit into the following general categories: valuable, sentimental, unwieldy, pointless, potentially suspicious, and disgusting.

      It's tough to say what my personal favorite was, but I think the helium-filled balloon at least deserves special mention. :-)

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    2. Re:Cute robot by hhr · · Score: 2, Informative

      > "I've always wondered if I took a postcard, wrote someone's name and city to be delivered to, and gave it to a random person. Would it ever get there?"

      That experiement has already be done. Read about Milgram's "Small World Experiement." It's the experiement that originated the phrase "Six Degrees of Separation." Milgram did a rigours version of "write a name and city on a post card and ask a random person to help deliver it."

    3. Re:Cute robot by edcheevy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eventually it ought to, geocachers do the same thing with trackable items. :)

    4. Re:Cute robot by harry666t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was on a walk today. I bought a notebook and a pen, and I spent time writing anonymous, open letters or drawing things whenever I had to wait for the traffic lights to change. When I was heading back home, I began giving some of those letters and drawings to random people on the street. Some people were surprised, some didn't want to take the piece of paper (maybe thought it was just a flyer). I think I'm going to do that again.

    5. Re:Cute robot by zorg50 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't exactly call it rigorous. His sample size was so low that it really wasn't statistically significant. While he did make a point with it, mostly by planting the idea of small-world networks in the minds of other scientists, the experiment was not as big a deal as it was made out to be.

    6. Re:Cute robot by u38cg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      P.G. Wodehouse (author of the Jeeves novels, amongst other things) used to write his letters, stamp and address them, and then throw them out the window on the pavement. His theory was that anyone finding such a letter would simply pop it in the nearest post-box; which apparently, they did. He claimed never to have lost a letter this way.

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  7. Uhm.. by GMThomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't imagine this being entirely safe. What if someone points it where it rolls out into the middle of a busy intersection, and somebody slams on their brakes or swerves to avoid it, causing an accident or hitting a pedestrian?

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    1. Re:Uhm.. by rduke15 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, life in general isn't entirely safe.

    2. Re:Uhm.. by canadian_right · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A safe life is a boring life.

      I don't sky dive or bungy jump, but I have noticed a trend to "make the world safe" that is sucking all the fun out of it. Kid's play grounds have nothing even remotely exicting in them any more. My kids were the last generation to get to slide down 20 meter slides, 4 meter fireman's poles, swings with wooden seats, any play ground exipment over 2 meters high.

      The Apollo 1 deaths did not stop the Apollo mission. Space exploration is dangerous, deaths were expected. Now, the USA halts the whole space program for years when there is an accident. Yes, the cause of accidents that are preventable should be discovered, and fixed if possible, but I think society should allow a little more leeway for people to decide to take risks to do both the very important, and the simply fun.

      Banning this robot because it might go out on a street would mean banning virtuully all childrens toys and sporting equipment as they often end up in streets. Lets ban biking while we are at it - cyclists go out on streets ON purpose!

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  8. Would it work elsewhere? by rduke15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In New York (some 20 years ago) I was surprised by how nice and helpful the people are in the street. If I just pulled out a map to have a look at it, people would stop and ask if they could help me.

    I doubt these robots would survive and reach their destinations in Paris, for example. But it would be interesting to try. I may be wrong.

    (I live neither in Paris nor in NY, and am neither French nor American)

    1. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by LordKaT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think some of the helpfulness you run into in NYC is also partially due to people living here long enough to be lost themselves. I know for a fact that this city can be downright confusing and you can lose your sense of direction pretty easily - especially if you're coming up from the Subway.

      Of course, that train of logic usually only applies to Manhattan island. Staten Island, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx each tend to be their own different story.

      But I think the truth is that most people in the world, not just New Yorkers, are pretty helpful.

      God help you if you decide to drive in the city, though!

    2. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I had to guess, in Paris it would depend on the language the directions were written in:

      English - it'd be damaged and tossed in the garbage
      French - it'd arrive at its destination with a baguette, cigarette in its mouth, and have lipstick in interesting areas
      German - it'd arrive along with a letter of French surrender

    3. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Both Parisians and New Yorkers get a bad rap. In my experience, as long as you accept a few cultural norms, the residents of both cities tend to be gracious and helpful.

      Firstly, you've got to understand that people in a city as large and dense as New York are going to appear somewhat impersonal at times...otherwise you'd collapse from sensory overload. However, beneath this facade, Similarly, for whatever reason, time on the subway is considered "private time," and it's generally frowned upon to talk loudly or make eye contact with strangers, etc. Perhaps an anthropologist or sociologist could chime in and suggest why this might be?

      New Yorkers, in my opinion, tend to be some of the most gracious and sympathetic city-dwellers I know of. Of course, traditions and dispositions tend to vary tremendously from borough to borough. I've been living in the south for the past few years, and have found "Southern Hospitality" to be largely a myth, apart from the initial friendly facade that people tend to put on -- at the very least, the northeast doesn't deserve the rap it gets from the rest of the country.

      Paris is somewhat similar. Parisians have a reputation for being rude and unfriendly to outsiders. I've visited the city three times, and have never observed this to be the case. I only speak a tiny bit of French, though this seems to be greatly appreciated. I could imagine being treated rudely if I didn't know any of the language (and rightfully so).

      In fact, there are very few cities I've visited that I've found to be outwardly oppressive.

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    4. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They let this robot loose in the middle of a park, where people are leisurely enjoying themselves. Of course people are going to help it. They should have put it down in the financial district, where it would have gotten sworn at, kicked, dropped in a gutter, then run over.

      Or maybe they could have put it down in Washington and gotten it a stimulus.

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    5. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any location where the person cannot escape and people are crowded together so that invading each others personal space is usually considered private. The classic example of this is elevator cars, where it's been observed that two people boarding can be having a conversation outside the car, stop it while they're in the car, and resume it as soon as they get off. Often they don't even realize that they're doing it.

    6. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by story645 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Similarly, for whatever reason, time on the subway is considered "private time," and it's generally frowned upon to talk loudly or make eye contact with strangers, etc.

      Dunno, maybe 'cause I just want to get to where ever I'm going and therefore don't feel like dealing with anyone? (Most people I know sleep/study/read/pray on the train-it's often the only time they actually get to themselves) Or 'cause the last guy who talked to me on the subway tried to scam me out of 300 dollars?

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    7. Re:Would it work elsewhere? by LMariachi · · Score: 2, Informative
      government invented the terms 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys'

      While Springfield Elementary is a public school -- technically making Groundskeeper Willie a government employee -- it's a bit of a stretch to say that "the government" invented that phrase.

  9. unbelievable by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every time the robot got caught under a park bench, ground futilely against a curb, or became trapped in a pothole, some passerby would always rescue it and send it toward its goal. Never once was a Tweenbot lost or damaged. Often, people would ignore the instructions to aim the Tweenbot in the âoerightâ direction, if that direction meant sending the robot into a perilous situation.

    I'd have lost that bet. Maybe I'm too cynical.

    But the one example they showed was entirely within a city park. I can't imagine this working in the city, the odds of it getting ran over would have to approach 1:1 most other places.

    I wonder if the sidewalk it was traveling down (to the south) had a physical barrier blocking it from going further south? (toward traffic) In that respect I would expect the locations were carefully chosen to minimize risk.

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    1. Re:unbelievable by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I bet they are as basic as it gets, they probably bought one of those $19 radio shack remote control cars, you know the ones with a single button remote that makes it back up while turning the wheel, removed the shell, (or maybe not!) and put the cardboard top on it. Probably the biggest challenge was making sure the batteries would last the duration of the test. That one was what, 40-some minutes, that's a long time for a pair of C batteries.

      I suppose they could have extended battery life by simply removing the receiver altogether since it was unnecessary.

      I bet they would have gotten even better results by adding a push sensor bumper on the front, that when it hit something it would make a little pathetic squeak or something. That would add a whole new angle to the analysis and anthropomorphize it one step more by appealing more to the public's sense of pity. (or annoyance I suppose) Might do the same with a tilt sensor so it would also sound pathetic if it tipped over.

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    2. Re:unbelievable by Quothz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if the sidewalk it was traveling down (to the south) had a physical barrier blocking it from going further south? (toward traffic)

      From the photos and Google Maps, it looks like it's partially separated from the road by fenced trees and shrubbery, but there's wide gaps where the road is accessible. It seems the lil' fellow did nearly go on a journey of discovery into traffic at one point:

      One man turned the robot back in the direction from which it had just come, saying out loud to the Tweenbot, "You can't go that way, it's toward the road."

    3. Re:unbelievable by Quothz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The pictures seems to be taken near NYU ( Broadway and Waverly and WSP ).

      The words seems to indicates that these was entirely done at WSP.

      Is there any evidence of the author trying tougher challenges like union square or handling traffic lights?

      My super-secret sources tell me that this was the first in a series and that you can be notified of upcoming missions (and new bot designs) by sending a note to a super-secret email address.

  10. steal it? by blondie.xo · · Score: 2

    Won't people steal this? I would if I saw a cute little robot on the street!

    1. Re:steal it? by kkrajewski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My first reaction was actually that it was so adorable that I'd run it all the way to its destination.

    2. Re:steal it? by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Funny

      And my first reaction would be to set its flag on fire.

      Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

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    3. Re:steal it? by kkrajewski · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm obviously too easily manipulated by adorable tiny things. Oh, the cats are saying it's dinner time...

    4. Re:steal it? by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Funny

      Showing weakness to the machines is the first step towards your annihilation. First they help the "adorable robot", and next thing you know they're equipping it with firearms, you know, for "self defense".

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  11. Am I the only one by AnalPerfume · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who read "tweenbots" in the title and thought it was some new type of botnet which infected kids toy pre-school computers or some web 2.0 corporate invented term for a botnet created by a tweeny-scripter? Here I thought Windows was bad enough that kids can cause havok, now the starting age has dropped even further? All I heard was 19 by Paul Hardcastle with altered lyrics:

    "In 1999 the average age of a Windows hacker was 19, in 2009 it's 9."

  12. So what happens by gringofrijolero · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if you put a squeegee and a tin can in its claw?

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  13. 12.7 Seconds by TooMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Before the first bot was mugged.

  14. Oblig... by Argumentator · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Make a sad-faced robot carrying a coin jar.
    2. Give it a sign saying "Brother, can you spare a quarter so I can buy a new battery?"
    3. ???
    4. PROFIT!

  15. Sorry if you haven't realized this yet but... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you are a crazy person ;)

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  16. Doesn't really demonstrate much.... by macraig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's quite possible that the primary reason most of those people stopped to aid it was because of their fascination and the uniqueness of it. Had it not been something that stood out dramatically from the expected, I suspect it would have received little attention and even less help.

    It likely demonstrates very little of a social nature at all.

  17. Oddly this sounds like by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Funny

    any number of software releases. Thrown to the publics' mercy, unready for the real world, totally dependent on someone else's goodwill to succeed.

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  18. New Term by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I predict a new term will raise to popularity from this: eRoadKill

  19. The concept is flawed... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    4chan loves kittens. NYC may display helpful benevolence towards these little dudes, that shouldn't be taken to mean anything other than that as a whole NYC has a soft spot for cute small robots.

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  20. Re:ok, let me get this straight by story645 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Men in computer science: robot vision, algorithms to avoid terrain and navigate obstacles, logic, highly advanced everything, etc.

    Women in computer science: Doing the exact same thing.

    Seriously, that's the kind of coding I'm doing/working with for a robotics project that requires all that stuff. (Though a lot of it has already been implemented in libraries like OpenCV and player and reinventing the wheel is kind of stupid, but yeah.)
    This girl didn't need it for her (very cool social experiment) project, so she didn't go near it. Yeah, she worked with robots, but not in a comp sci/AI way. I don't see the flaw; would you tell a web programmer to write a web cam driver 'cause his website can handle streaming video?

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  21. NYC/NY/the Northeast gets bad rap by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New Yorkers, in my opinion, tend to be some of the most gracious and sympathetic city-dwellers I know of. Of course, traditions and dispositions tend to vary tremendously from borough to borough. I've been living in the south for the past few years, and have found "Southern Hospitality" to be largely a myth, apart from the initial friendly facade that people tend to put on -- at the very least, the northeast doesn't deserve the rap it gets from the rest of the country.

    I agree, agree, agree!

    It's not just the South, though; it's also the Midwest. It seems that the South and the Midwest have a very ill-deserved reputation as being hospitable places. They aren't.

    I grew up in the Northeast (NY, PA) and truly, the level of "friendliness" compared to central VA, Iowa, Dakotas, and so on... it's off the charts.

    Like you said, the initial friendliness is there, but just don't stay there if you're not originally from there. You will be an Outsider (even in a more urban area), because you did not grow up there, and you've got an ever-so-slightly-different cultural and social background. You will not fit in, and instead of being open and accepting, you are shunned and looked down on - behind your back.

    In the NE, people will (more often than not) let you know if they have a problem with you or your behavior. Rude? Maybe. But it beats the hell out of said person sharing their negative opinion about you with their neighbors, friends, etc. and it finally getting back to you months later. (Try this one on: finding out from a coworker, in a town of 200k who lives on the opposite side of the city from you, that your next-door neighbor is pissed at you.)

    The one exception I've found is that night people in the Midwest are more friendly than pretty much everyone. That is, people who are bored with their jobs, at night: gas station attendants and the like. They'll sit for a chat, if they have the time, and are very disarmed. Though, I suspect this largely has to do with crime rates.

    If you're not in a bigger town, good luck

    It's kind of ironic that I will, on occasion, run into someone and chat with them for hours about anything and everything, having a grand old time. It's only at the end of the conversation that I inquire about where they're from. Almost invariably, they were in the military (moved around a lot), and/or grew up in NY, MA, PA, or another of the larger NE states. (And no, the accent isn't usually a tell: it makes a lot of sense to lose a NE accent out here, quickly, as it's yet another thing that makes you stand out in a bad way.)

    In small towns, it's even more pronounced - to the point of open hostility. For instance, if you're driving through a small town and stop for gas, you will sometimes get an overtly hostile attitude. Not always the case, but more often than not, it's very much a "wtf are you doing here, interfering with me and my boys sitting around doing nothing?"

    The one place I've visited where "friendly Midwesterners" might apply as I've noticed it applying in NY is is Texas (San Antonio). It's just too bad NY politicians have made it so difficult to make a living in NY of late.

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  22. I would love to see... by SupremoMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would love to see what would happen if he didn't draw a smiley face. If he drew a grumpy or mean face on the robot, would people direct it into traffic?