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Ponzi Schemes Multiply On YouTube

Hugh Pickens writes "While it's probably not true that P. T. Barnum was the originator of the saying 'there's a sucker born every minute,' the proliferation of nearly 23,000 Ponzi schemes on YouTube, with an astounding 59,192,963 views, proves that the sentiment is still alive and well. The videos usually don't ask for money directly, but send viewers to web sites where they are urged to sign up for the 'gifting program,' usually for fees ranging from $150 to $5,000. One of the videos recently added on YouTube featured Bible quotes, pictures of stacks of money and a testimonial from a man who said he not only got rich from cash gifting, but also found true happiness and lost 35 pounds. 'They make it seem like it's legal and an easy way to make money, but it's nothing more than a pyramid scheme,' says Better Business Bureau spokeswoman Alison Southwick. Some of the videos claim that because it's 'gifting,' it's somehow legal. 'They talk about "cash leveraging," whatever that means, and other vague marketing talk,' says Southwick, but the basic scheme is that participants are told to recruit more people who will put in more money. 'It's just money changing hands,' says Southwick, 'and it always goes to people at the top of the pyramid.' A spokesman for YouTube, which is owned by Google Inc., said the company doesn't comment on individual videos."

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  1. They learned it by watching the government. by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just as the government learned it by watching Ponzi, these youtubers learned it by watching the government.

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    1. Re:They learned it by watching the government. by Nitage · · Score: 5, Informative

      He might be talking about Social Security - which relies on more people paying in than taking out and will crash and burn horribly if the population stops growing fast enough.

    2. Re:They learned it by watching the government. by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It isnt just social security...

      The national debt is now over 11 trillion dollars and there hasn't been a real budget surplus since 1969.

      The federal government has borrowed money and can not pay the prior lenders back, so they borrow more money in order to do so. This has been going on for so long that only a few people still recognize it as an active ponzi scheme, as is evident by the ignorant people modding my post as a troll.

      The interest payments on the debt will crest half a trillion dollars this year, and will be over a trillion/year by the time Obama's 1st term is up. The government will likely borrow more from social security (why not? its doomed anyways) in order to pay off prior lenders as it becomes more and more difficult to find new lenders.

      There are other areas where the government is actively ponzi as well, such as medicare (medicare is a bigger problem than social security.)

      Check out (U.S. Government Accounting Office) http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08446cg.pdf to see how grim the pyramid really is.

      It wont be possible to take down the pyramids through force (taxation at gunpoint) for much longer. If ponzi could have gone out and robbed some banks, he could have paid off all of his lenders. But imagine the point where even if he robbed every bank in the country he couldn't pay them off. America is pretty much there, right now, at the point of no return.

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    3. Re:They learned it by watching the government. by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... a huge lie perpetrated by people who would like to see the huge pot of SSA money be put into the stock market. I wonder how that would have worked out?

      You are in luck. This gentleman (a former deputy commissioner at the Social Security Administration) did just such an analysis. Hint: it turns out much better than you might have expected. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0413/022-stock-market-taxes-on-my-mind.html

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  2. A fool and his money... by onion2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The notion that you can "gift" (or "buy") your way to being rich without doing any hard work, or having a creative idea, is so completely stupid that anyone who believes it, assuming they're in full control of their mental faculties, deserves what they get.

  3. Ponzi != pyramid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Isn't a Ponzi scheme different, in that you show a "return" on an investment using other investors' money in the hopes that they will keep investing in you, thereby allowing you to make it seem as if there is money being made.

    In a pyramid scheme, you recruit X members who recruit X members each etc. At each level, you send some percentage of the money you receive up.

    The main difference being that in a Ponzi scheme you are recruiting investors whereas in a pyramid scheme that task falls upon the suckers you convinced to give you money.

    Also, according to Wikipedia, Ponzi schemes are easier to maintain for longer because you simply have to convince a large enough portion of your "investors" to reinvest, whereas the pyramid scheme relies on an exponentially increasing base of suckers.

    Ponzi schemes also revolve around financial machinations to confuse people, whereas pyramid schemes, from my understanding, relate more on convincing people about buying into a "franchise" or something to that effect.

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  4. Why should it be illegal? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With more and more videos being pulled because the various MAFIAA organisations can't get enough, crap like that will soon be the only things left on YouTube. Let's be honest, what's left? Music videos were the first thing to go (or "be unavailable in your country" should they not want to cough up the dough to be available for you). User made videos are now targeted, as well as videos to the likeness of "look how I play $instrument to $song".

    Soon all there will be left are videos that, bluntly, nobody wants to watch.

    But, to avoid being modded offtopic, let's ask another question: Why should it be illegal to play pyramid schemes? Just because people are stupid enough to fall for them? I have no sympathy for people who are lured in by promises that are quite bluntly too good to be true, where thinking about it for only a minute would give you enough reasons to stay away from it. How can they promise you insane interest rates when your bank can only give you 3% or less? How the heck should they have any influence on your weight (aside from you not being able to even buy bread anymore and thus starving)? And if that's illegal, why is religion still legal while promising essentially the same?

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    1. Re:Why should it be illegal? by American+Terrorist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why should it be illegal to play pyramid schemes? Just because people are stupid enough to fall for them? I have no sympathy for people who are lured in by promises that are quite bluntly too good to be true, where thinking about it for only a minute would give you enough reasons to stay away from it.

      Libertarian intellectualism at its finest. Why don't we just scrap all the laws and let people fuck each other over every way imaginable? People do stupid things, laws try to prevent and minimize the harm done by those actions.

    2. Re:Why should it be illegal? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's why:

      If it illegal to take someone's money by use of force, so it should *not* be legal to do the same with a pen or a computer.

      If the strong of body cannot rob the weak, the strong of mind should be prohibited from doing the same.

  5. Re:It's *money* which is the Ponzi scheme by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Informative

    The $5 comes from work - you know, the means of selling goods and services to generate income.

    You're talking about a world where nobody produces anything, so the only income they have is from banks. That's not a realistic model.

    Oh and nobody creates money, except in exceptional circumstances (the central bank can, but an ordinary bank can't.. that's self evident, otherwise they'd all have infinite money). Credit to you is a net debit to the bank (and a source of income, due to the interest payments). This is why banks aren't keen to lend right now - their reserves are low as they've taken a hit from all the bad debt.. because they can only lend based on their reserves they're cherry picking the lending to the safest debtors.

  6. Re:It's *money* which is the Ponzi scheme by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1 year later I'm a bit stuck because I've paid off most of the loan to the FED but that last $5 is a real bitch because it just doesn't exist. So what do I do?

    If it's (hyper)inflation you spend it as soon as possible before it loses value until it collapses like the reichmark in 1920s germany or just recently the zimbabwean dollar. If it's stagflation you hoard it as money is increasing in value. What you're missing here is that somewhere, real value is produced. Imagine that there's 100$ total and there's 10 foobars, the only goods to trade so each is worth $10. Now there's a foobar maker, which produces another foobar - there's now 100$ and 11 foobars and the new market price is 9$. Who's earned value? The people sitting on a 10$ bill. Now imagine how well it works if everyone wants to sit on their 10$ bill.

    So what's the solution? To print money, they print one more 10$ bill and suddenly there's 110$ total and 11 foobars and the money market works. Of course they can fall to the temptation and print more money than actual growth, say 110$ and 10 foobars, meaning you can sell a foobar for 11$. The government basicly took part of the value out of everyone's 10$ bills. But people have a very simple way of fighting this - don't sit on money, sit on goods as printing money only increases prices. In those situations money is just an intermediary as you swap one good for another, you buy gold or a saner currency.

    Of course the government like everyone else like skimming something of the top, but for the most part they work hard to keep the financial system going. Once you stop believing in the currency you also stop believing in deposits and credits because they make you "stuck" in that currency and so the whole economy withers. Like with the human body, you have vital organs but if you have no circulation system then none of those will survive either.

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