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Unzipping Nanotubes Makes Superfast Electronics

Al writes "Two research groups have found a way to unzip carbon nanotubes to create nanoribbons of graphene — a material that has shown great promise for use as nanoscale transistors, but which has proven difficult to manufacture previously. A team led by James Tour, a professor of chemistry and computer science at Rice University, and another led by Hongjie Dai, a professor of chemistry at Stanford University, both figured out ways to slice carbon nanotubes open to create the nanoribbons. The Stanford team was funded by Intel, and the Rice group is in talks with several companies about commercializing their approach."

64 comments

  1. Unzipping nano-tubes!"! by Samschnooks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, that's what an ex-girlfriend of mine called it: her nano-tube. Bitch. Oh, carbon nano-tubes.....gotta hit Cancel.

    1. Re:Unzipping nano-tubes!"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      worse, mine says micro soft.

  2. Anyone... by gzine · · Score: 0

    Strangely aroused by the title.
    Almost made me RTFA.
    Almost....

    1. Re:Anyone... by poena.dare · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nanoribboned for her pleasure.

    2. Re:Anyone... by TinBromide · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Unzipping Nanotubes Makes Superfast Electronics

      That's what she said!

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    3. Re:Anyone... by DittoBox · · Score: 5, Funny

      [mage] what should I give sister for unzipping?
      [Kevyn] Um. Ten bucks?
      [mage] no I mean like, WinZip?

      -Bash.org

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    4. Re:Anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Now in nanothickness for YOUR pleasure too!!

    5. Re:Anyone... by bitrex · · Score: 4, Funny

      And available in nanosize for your anatomy!

    6. Re:Anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... do you want nanocrabs?

  3. Re:It's not hard to find. by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oops, sorry, meant to post it to a different article!

  4. My chemistry is old but... by Forai · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't it obvious if a molecule is a cylinder cage, and you take out a line... it makes a flat surface?

    1. Re:My chemistry is old but... by Fwipp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but it isn't obvious that it is feasible to do that.

  5. Ob. bash by slushdork · · Score: 0, Redundant
  6. Re:Unzipping your moms pants by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    She did say you were pretty quick.

  7. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  8. Now for the application by elashish14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now we have a method to bulk-produce graphene; but do we have a way to implement it in devices?

    In any case, this is good. Nanowire diameter shouldn't be that hard to manipulate. The more you can manipulate something in synthesis for functional properties, the better it is for application. Look at doping silicon for example.

    In any case, I wonder what the lifetime of a graphene-based device would be. Molecular compounds aren't always the most stable. That's one of the main reasons that they are being held back from adoption.

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    1. Re:Now for the application by plague911 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "So now we have a method to bulk-produce graphene; but do we have a way to implement it in devices? " No, no we don't. They found a RELATIVLY easy way to make carbon nanoribbons from nanotubes. Nanotubes are still incredibly hard to make. âoe90wt% are still priced well below our competition at $150 per gram or $75,000 per KG.â Carbon nanotubes. The third most expensive substance per weight that I know of. (preceded by nanoribbons and than anti matter)

    2. Re:Now for the application by Bill+Currie · · Score: 1

      You forgot saffron. I've seen it from $80000-$120000/kg)

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    3. Re:Now for the application by voidphoenix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Californium: $60M/g or $60B/kg
      Wikipedia: Transuranium element

    4. Re:Now for the application by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 3, Funny

      Buying Californium on your Visa card and having the feds turn up, priceless!

    5. Re:Now for the application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some things Americans can't buy, for everything else, there's /.

    6. Re:Now for the application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.nantero.com/mission.html

    7. Re:Now for the application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Norway, cocaine costs about 150$ per gram.

      Just saying.

    8. Re:Now for the application by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      "... $150 per gram ... third most expensive substance per weight that I know of"

      You should take a look at some other substances, like gold, tungstein, platinum... Or maybe you should want to fix that price becuse for $150 the gram a 1 miligram chip would have the extratospheric cost of $0,015 from materials.

    9. Re:Now for the application by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Hey, My father bought 500g saffron for ~5 in Yemen (where it is produced).

      Where do you live?
      1. Let's fly to Yemen,
      2. buy 50kg,
      3. sell it for $70000/kg where you've seen it.
      4. PROFIT!!!

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  9. What are "ribbens"? by xerxesVII · · Score: 2, Informative

    I rtfa and I saw mention of nanoribbons, but nothing about nanoribbens. Obviously Al doesn't know what he's talking about since he's just making up new words on the fly.

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    1. Re:What are "ribbens"? by Alotau · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...he's just making up new words on the fly.

      With all the unzipping going on, making up words on the fly is probably OK in this instance.

  10. A simpler answer by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 5, Funny
    Picture:

    ... a factory in some third world country, where the workers slit open the nanotubes with very small scissors.

    ... or a factory in some third world country, where very small workers slit open the nanotubes ...

    ... or a very small factory in some third world country ...

    ... or ...

    1. Re:A simpler answer by bitrex · · Score: 4, Funny

      A factory in some third world country, where the workers make scale models of factories.

    2. Re:A simpler answer by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 2, Funny

      A factory where nanotubes split workers.

      Location: Soviet Russia

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    3. Re:A simpler answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A factory in some third world country, where the workers make scale models of factories.

      That's actually where the 1 billion third world country factory workers go after they build their last 3D Glasses that mostly just get thrown away after 90 minutes of use.

    4. Re:A simpler answer by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      A factory in some third world country, where workers make factories that produce third world countries, that contain workers that make factories for factories that produce workers that make scale models of factories.

      Or in Java:
      3rdWorldCountry.3rdWorldCountryFactoryWorkersFactory.Workers.FactoryScaleModelWorkerFactoryFactory my3WC3WCFWFWFSMWFF = 3rdWorldCountry.3rdWorldCountryFactoryWorkersFactory.Workers.FactoryScaleModelWorkerFactoryFactory.CreateInstance()

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  11. Re:Unzipping your moms pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your girlfriend also said i was quick!

    oh wait this is /.....

  12. Nanoscale and cosmic rays by microbox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    a material that has shown great promise for use as nanoscale transistors

    Won't a stray cosmic ray cause my cpu to fall over?

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    1. Re:Nanoscale and cosmic rays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if what that cosmic ray hits is duplicated ten times elsewhere in the chip. Multicore means not having to say you're sorry.

    2. Re:Nanoscale and cosmic rays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno... Guess it might, if it's drunk.

  13. Perfect! by FelixNZ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like just what I need to tie up my nanopresent after wrapping it in nanopaper, covered with nanowhimisicaldecorations!

    1. Re:Perfect! by evanbd · · Score: 1

      And here I thought I had enough trouble with misplacing the tape halfway through wrapping a normal-sized present.

    2. Re:Perfect! by JoCat · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you bought someone a buckyball for their birthday.

    3. Re:Perfect! by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      Here is my secret. It is very simple. It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.

      Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

      By this standard, a buckyball sounds like a very tasteful present.

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    4. Re:Perfect! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Especially, because you could just wrap up a nice looking empty box with a picture/certificate on it.

      Love is blind, Mr. Saint-Exupéry.

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  14. Next Step..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    Two words:

    Nanoitching powder.

    It practically sells itself!

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  15. ok, so now what by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Both these groups have succeeded where many others have tried and failed (even with very similar ideas). It's great work. As the summary suggested though, they've taken one hard to work with material and using a complicated process, made an even harder to work with material. This is great for doing science, as graphene ribbons are a huge pain to make, and this should open up more labs to investigating their properties.

    If we're going to have graphene consumer electronics though, it's going to be based on the wafer-scale CVD manufacturing process developed in Korea and MIT.

    1. Re:ok, so now what by vsage3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If we're going to have graphene consumer electronics though, it's going to be based on the wafer-scale CVD manufacturing process developed in Korea and MIT.

      Trust me, CVD synthesis of graphene is in the earliest of early stages. The problem is that neither group (Korea nor MIT) have figured out how to get the graphene off the nickel layer that catalyzes the reaction. There are other ways of making graphene that are much further along, such as epitaxial growth on silicon carbide.

    2. Re:ok, so now what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, at the very least, the Tour group used an extremely simple--and scalable--process. I haven't read the Dai article yet. The advantages to making graphene from nanotubes instead of from vapor deposition or from exfoliation of graphite are 1) Scalability. The more of these you can make quickly and with cheap reagents such as KMnO4 and sulfuric acid, the more quickly they'll be picked up by commercial enterprises, and 2) Size selectivity. With a nanotube of a known diameter, you can make homogenized graphene nanoribbons with this method. With CVD and exfoliation, you pretty much have a statistical distribution of dimensions of the graphene. All that being said, the Tour article does point out that the electronic properties of their nanoribbons aren't quite as good as graphene made in the traditional ways, due to edge defects created during the unzipping reaction. But this is really only a minor detail, and it's probably being worked on as we speak.

      Personally, I'm thrilled about these papers. I work in a related field--fullerene chemistry--and it's always nice to see the novel carbon allotropes jerk hesitantly into their own.

    3. Re:ok, so now what by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The big benefit of the CVD method is that it's actually easy to remove from the growth wafer. Nickel is easy to dissolve. The first papers on CVD graphene did this and demonstrated pretty good transistors. No one has made ribbons from it yet, but I'm working on that.

  16. Based on those easy-to-make nanotubes...? by tjstork · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's really funny, but it seemed like the nanotubes themselves were pretty hard to make not too long ago. Then, as of last year, I find they are down to $150/kg and are working their way into all sorts of consumer applications.

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    1. Re:Based on those easy-to-make nanotubes...? by notarockstar1979 · · Score: 1

      A few years ago they were talking about how "in a few years" nanotube TVs would replace LCDs and rear projection televisions. I think the media was a bit optimistic about how long it would take to make them cheaply. I'd just like to know what "in a few years" means because I want my nanotube TV. SED TVs didn't make CES this year, even though there was a prototype nearly 4 years ago (may be 4 years ago now, can't remember exactly). I'm glad they can split them into ribbons, but I would love to see a practical example of nanotubes in action. It's exciting that they were able to do this but I'm impatient and want to see some of the great things the media promised me in 2005.

      On a side note, approximately how many nanotubes are there in a kilogram?

    2. Re:Based on those easy-to-make nanotubes...? by shbazjinkens · · Score: 1

      Where? What kind? What purity? I've never seen any nearly that cheap, unless you meant gram, not kilogram. I wonder if maybe you're talking about the lowest possible quality with some serious contamination.

    3. Re:Based on those easy-to-make nanotubes...? by ChangelingJane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Other things that will come "in a few years":

      - Stereo 3D in the home
      - Personalized medicine
      - The end of the economic crisis
      - Flying cars
      - Duke Nukem Forever

  17. Nanoribbons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool. They've found something small enough to map the minds of celebrities onto. One more order of magnitude, they'll have something appropriately sized for a politician's mind.

  18. Re:What about the internet tubes... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

    But if they unzip them, the emails fall out! OH THE HUMANITY!

  19. *yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Posting anonymously for obvious reasons

    I work in the graphene area, and I think this is bullshit. First, graphene nanoribbons created using this method do not address the fundamental issues that accompany using carbon nanotubes such as targeted orientation or chirality concerns. This is a clear case of missing the forest for the trees. Second, Dai is known for some rather unbelievable studies.

  20. Re:What about the internet tubes... by Jared555 · · Score: 1

    Well about 99% of the time that would be a GOOD thing....

  21. Re:What about the internet tubes... by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

    "And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of [nano]tubes" Wow this time it would actually make sense.

  22. Carbon... by Loki_666 · · Score: 1

    All hail the inanimate carbon rod!

  23. Mn2O7 by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1
    From TFA: "The Rice researchers exposed their carbon nanotubes to sulfuric acid and potassium permanganate, a strong oxidizing agent".

    Hmm, as I recall my High School terror^H^H^H^H^H^Hchemistry classes, that produces Manganese Heptoxide.

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