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Sophisticated Balloons Could Help Steer Spacecraft

coondoggie writes "Getting spacecraft traveling at hypersonic speeds to slow down and land or achieve a particular orbit on a dime is no easy feat. But researchers are developing a tool that will let engineers model and ultimately build advanced flight control systems that meld balloon and parachute technologies known as a ballute (BALLoon-parachUTE). Basically a ballute is a large, inflatable device that takes advantage of atmospheric drag to decelerate and capture a spacecraft into orbit around a planet, according to NASA who is funding Global Aerospace to build such a tool."

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  1. Reminds me of 2010... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just hope that the life of NASA folks is not becoming obsessively balloonic.

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  2. Don't call it a baloot.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The word (warning, link not for PETA or squeemish) balut is pronounced baloot too.

  3. Old tech? by jamstar7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, this idea's been around for awhile. Its major useage in Hollywood was in the movie 2010 when the Russian spacecraft used one for aerobraking in Jupiter's atmosphere. Cute effect, but like Dr Floyd said, "Nice in theory, but the guys who did the numbers aren't here."

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    1. Re:Old tech? by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup, it was invented in 1958, and was used on the Gemini back-up ejection seat, and is used on the Mk-82 unguided gravity bomb.

    2. Re:Old tech? by EdZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ballute assisted re-entry has been a staple of the Gundam franchise for quite a while, along with wave-rider airfoils and O'Neill cylinder colonies. Some of the science behind it is rather good, though somewhat offset by the idea that giant robots make everything work better.

    3. Re:Old tech? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the way it unfolded in front indicated a non rigid structure that should have been pushed back towards the spacecraft by the pressure of the atmosphere.

      You neglect the internal pressure of the ballute which would be made greater than that of the outer layer of the atmosphere of Jupiter at that altitude, giving it rigidity.

      Someone should try putting a balloon held in a forward position by a solid structure (so it doesn't flutter backwards) against the wind in a wind tunnel to test this, post the video to YouTube, and provide a link here.

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  4. So many options by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    advanced flight control systems that meld balloon and parachute technologies known as a ballute (BALLoon-parachUTE).

    I'd have called it Paraloon.

    Or possibly Ballachute.

    "Ballachute! I choose you!"

    Yep. It works.

  5. In next weeks news.... by koterica · · Score: 3, Funny

    North Korea is developing long range "Communications Darts". These are not in any way intended for use as weapons.

  6. Re:Colbert by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    I officially think that the folks at NASA are a bunch of jerks for not respecting the results of their ISS node naming contest. :-(

    Indeed.

    It kills our best chance of making our first contact with a ship called "Skullfuck Soulshitter".

  7. Re:SCI-FI been there done that by rlseaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Now one at hypersonic speeds will be challenging."

    Depends strongly on the density of the atmosphere and the drogue's size. A ballute might even be designed to grow or shrink as the spacecraft slows and the atmosphere becomes more dense. The necessary scaling might be vastly different between Mars with a thin atmosphere and Venus with a very dense atmosphere. The temperature would also be an issue since the planets vary from cryogenic to hot enough to melt lead.

  8. Ballute jokes by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    My other car is a ballute.

    Oh yeah? well my new cadillac is a ballute de ville.

    yo momma's so fat, when she jumps out of an airplane, she has to use a ballute.

    I would write more, but my computer's about to crash, so I have to reballute.

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  9. Re:Colbert by toddbu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have no problem if they don't want to have write-ins. What I have a problem with is when they offer the write-in and then don't respect the results. In business, they call this bait-and-switch. It demonstrates a lot of arrogance.

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  10. Re:Typo in summary by Sopor42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh it is, is it Mr AC?

  11. Problems with atmosphere breaking by khallow · · Score: 5, Informative

    The key problem with atmospheric braking is heat dissipation. Craft in orbit have considerable energy (since they have orbital velocities of around 7.5 km/s or more) while craft returning from the Moon or Mars have far greater velocities (the Apollo capsules returning from the Moon had velocity of roughly 11 km/s, which is double the kinetic energy per kilogram of a low Earth orbit satellite). Entering orbit around a gas giant (like Neptune) will require even velocity dissipation. If you and everything on your spacecraft were indestructable, you could just dive straight in. In practice, since spacecraft aren't indestructible and payloads (eg, living humans) are somewhat fragile, you need to decelerate at a much more gradual pace. As it turns out, the sooner you can start deceleration, the better. The key way to decelerate early is to increase the cross-section area of the vehicle relative to its mass. This also has the advantage of distributing the heat load from atmospheric braking across a wider area and reduces the overall temperature of the vehicle. This reduces the complexity of the structures used to protect the vehicle from atmospheric heating (called "thermal protection systems" or TPS).

    Capsules like Soyuz or Apollo have the highest mass per cross-section area and hence have high heating loads and decelerations. The Shuttle has pretty high heating loads as well. If it had been made considerably "fluffier", it wouldn't need the special tiles for its TPS.

    Ballutes are cheap ways to greatly increase the cross-sectional area of the vehicle. For a fictional example of a ballute, the film 2010 portrays the Soviet spaceship, Leonov using one as it aerobrakes to slow down enough to orbit around Jupiter. Technically, in this case, it is aerocapture. This is aerobraking with only one pass through atmosphere. The usual process involves many passes through atmosphere, shedding some velocity on each pass.

    The innovation in this article is the ability to control a ballute which has some lift. There are two possible uses that I can think of, off the top of my head. First, it can be used to steer the vehicle so that more of its path is in the less dense high atmosphere. In other words, we can steer to some degree the trajectory so that we get better deceleration and heating loads. Second, aerocapture is very hard. The key problem is that any changes in the atmosphere will change the trajectory, possibly enough to make the attempt unsurvivable. Even if the vehicle isn't in danger, small differences in the atmosphere or the vehicle's reentry trajectory mean the vehicle may end up on a different trajectory. If it is landing, it may end up far away from the desired landing spot. Ability to steer reduces the uncertainty of aerocapture and provides some valuable margin of error for a spacecraft.

  12. I know chicks with large "sophisticated balloons" by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Funny

    steer my eyes straight to their racks.

  13. Re:MAGIC BALLOONS by LandKurt · · Score: 3, Informative

    The smaller and denser an object is the worse the heat load is on re-entry. Using a ballute to increase the surface area means there is less need for high tech fragile ceramic tiles. Another way to look at it is that the greater area means there is more force to slow down the spacecraft before it gets into denser levels of the atmosphere.

  14. Re:MAGIC BALLOONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Atmospheric drag? It sure is going to be cool when they come out with a big balloon, covered in multi-inch thick ceramic tiles for heat dispersion.

    You seem to know an awful lot about this. Are you some sort of Atmospheric drag queen?

  15. Re:MAGIC BALLOONS by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is being used for aerobraking and aerocapture, not entry/re-entry. The idea is that it flys through the upper reaches of the atmosphere to slow it down and send it into some kind of closed orbit about the target body. Not nearly as much of a heating issue, particularly if you're talking about Mars which has a much less dense atmosphere.

    No real reason to use it for re-entry since a Viking-style Mach-2 chute, or one of the new-fangled Mach-3 chutes will do the job already.

  16. Re:Colbert by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I think their intent was to honor legitimate submissions, not become the punchline for a comedian.

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