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Kyocera's OLED Phone Concept Charges As You Flex It

Mike writes "Kyocera recently unveiled a kinetic energy-powered phone with a flexible OLED display that can be folded up like a wallet. Dubbed the EOS phone, the display unfolds to reveal a wide screen, and shape memory allows the phone's keys to pop up when in use and blend in with the surface during downtime. Best of all, the phone's soft, semi-rigid polymer skin is embedded with an array of tiny piezoelectric generators — the more you use the phone, the more it charges!" So far, it's just a design idea — but a cool one.

101 comments

  1. Charges as your flex it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What?

    1. Re:Charges as your flex it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      First you must have a flex it. Then when you use your flex it, it charges.

    2. Re:Charges as your flex it? by Flimzy · · Score: 1

      I want a cell phone that's powered by typos. Then, given the habits of most texters... and some Slashdot posters, the more you text/post... the faster your battery charges!

    3. Re:Charges as your flex it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are you charging the flexible cell phone in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

    4. Re:Charges as your flex it? by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      After reading the title, I had assumed that it "charges" your account every time you flip it open.

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  2. I've solved the energy crisis, by geekmux · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...semi-rigid polymer skin is embedded with an array of tiny piezoelectric generators"

    Can you imagine condoms made of this stuff? The porn industry alone could power half of California. Energy crisis solved.

    Cue Trojan, Inc. patent in 3..2...1

    1. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by LadyDarkKitten · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If your so stupid that a condom is such a hard-core turn off then you need to be chemically castrated to prevent the stupidity from spreading! On the off chance that you are smart and this is simply a laps in good judgment you need to find a hotter lay than the one you have and if your married well I guess it's a moot point either way.

    2. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      God, I'm so sick of these companies with their Trojan patents...

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    3. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by EtherMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you'd have a hard time (no pun intended) finding a man or a woman (present company excluded) who agrees that sex is more pleasurable with a condom than without.

      I also don't need to be married in order to have confidence enough with my partner to engage in unprotected sex. At the same time being married doesn't automatically eliminate the the risk of catching sexually communicated diseases from a partner. Marriage is neither a guarantee of health or fidelity.

      Outrageous bigotry notwithstanding, suggesting the P/P should be chemically castrated simply because he prefers boffing au natural is stupidity unto itself. There are many worse fetishes to be concerned with other than whether two consenting adults decide to do the deed without an intervening layer of latex.

      Believe it or not, your mummy and daddy even did it at least once without a condom.

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    4. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, he (it?) was adopted.

    5. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, your parents did not receive the memo and thus, took part in the "spreading" that you mentioned.

      I don't think I will ever have kids...I can't handle them living in a society where we still don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

    6. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I love condoms. Then again I'm a rubber fetishist.

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    7. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by geekmux · · Score: 1

      If your so stupid that a condom is such a hard-core turn off then you need to be chemically castrated to prevent the stupidity from spreading! On the off chance that you are smart and this is simply a laps in good judgment you need to find a hotter lay than the one you have and if your married well I guess it's a moot point either way.

      #1: A condom is not a turn on. I was merely offering an alternative to rubbing a phone for electricity.

      #2: I do just fine with the fine woman I have, thank you very much.

      #3: If you're so damn uptight as to attempt to try and take my post seriously, then I have a feeling that you are indeed the one in need of a good lay.

      Good day to you.

    8. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by adolf · · Score: 1

      We're straying pretty far off topic here, I think, but...

      Background: I've been married for a little more than five years. My wife is fixed. I have never, ever, had sex with this woman with any sort of protection. And I've never had anyone better.

      That said, I was at Wal-Mart the other day, and I happened upon the condom section. I began reminiscing about how much fun it used to be to try out different condoms on different people.

      I've thought about it a lot since then. It turns out that I really enjoy fucking without a condom, but I really also enjoyed the variety that they offered. And, sure, they dull (or at least modify) physical sensation, but that makes the experience more emotional and less about tactile sensation.

      I didn't buy any that day. And the reason wasn't because I'd rather have sex without one, but was more about my wife's potential reaction to the idea that we use them -- I didn't like the negative ways in which the story line was playing out in my head.

      But it's tradeoffs, I think. Not better one way or the other, really. Variety can be good -- especially if it means that you still get woken up with breakfast in bed every now and then.

    9. Re:I've solved the energy crisis, by LadyDarkKitten · · Score: 0

      I have read all the post's and all of them have very good points that I am more than willing to admit that I didn't take into consideration when I posted. For the short time it took me to post that I had forgotten where I was posting to. I know when to back down and I am doing so. PS: geekmux I wasn't responding like that to your post, your post was funny it's the Anonymous Coward that I was posting to.

  3. Drop-resistence? by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would a "floppy phone" be more resistant to drops? Clumsy minds want to know.

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    1. Re:Drop-resistence? by elashish14 · · Score: 1

      Why not? The reason current devices break is because they can't absorb mechanical shock. Something like this could help out a lot in making sure that it doesn't happen. You might as well wrap a pillow around it. Hopefully these components can also shield the internal, rigid-structured components. Most of the components of modern cell-phones are solid state anyways, so they should already be pretty shock resistant.

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    2. Re:Drop-resistence? by raddan · · Score: 4, Funny

      All I want to know is if floppy computers can have hard disks. Or if we have to go back to floppy disks.

    3. Re:Drop-resistence? by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just a guess as I'm not familiar with this technology, but sounds like dropping it might actually charge it (if it falls onto a rigid floor).

    4. Re:Drop-resistence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, you'd probably break it with a power surge instead.

  4. It's nice if it folds up... by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but if it can't withstand being in my back pocket with my fat arse sitting on it repeatedly, then what's the point.

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    1. Re:It's nice if it folds up... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is that how you carry your current cell phone?

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    2. Re:It's nice if it folds up... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      In pieces, I bet

      Meh, it takes 3 seconds to type and submit 4 words and 30 seconds waiting for slashcode to stop spazzing out

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    3. Re:It's nice if it folds up... by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      That's how I'd carry a wallet-phone, aye. :P

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  5. No they Didn't by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Kyocera recently unveiled a kinetic energy-powered phone with a flexible OLED display that can be folded up like a wallet."

    Uh, no.
    They unveiled a concept.

    Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    1. Re:No they Didn't by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 1

      Oh my gawd...They unveiled an invisible phone too?! Truly the future is soon!

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    2. Re:No they Didn't by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I hear you're majoring in medicine.

    3. Re:No they Didn't by memco · · Score: 1

      Quantum physics actually.

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    4. Re:No they Didn't by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Fail.

      Joan was quizzical, studied pataphysical. Science in the home.

  6. meh.. not iphone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    But iphone does not do that. So, this is a complete useless technology. If Apple has not thought about it, it's not worth the money.

    Nothing beats iphone.

    Can we move on now, please?

    1. Re:meh.. not iphone... by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll hold off on this until Steve tells me I need one.

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  7. Now my battery won't die... by revjtanton · · Score: 5, Funny

    With the kinetic energy powering the device having my phone die during lengthy phone sex calls is a thing of the past! Yaaaay!

    1. Re:Now my battery won't die... by SGDarkKnight · · Score: 2, Funny

      With the kinetic energy powering the device having my phone die during lengthy phone sex calls is a thing of the past! Yaaaay!

      Yeah, but in order for it to charge you would have to use the friction / bending action from the phone being wrapped around your........ *ewww*

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  8. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, if it comes with straps to strap it to your wrist while you're, uh... "surfing the 'net for interesting pictures and videos", then the average slashdotter would never need to plug this phone in!

  9. Umm... what?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Kyocera's OLED Phone Concept Charges As Your Flex It

    It charges as my flex it?

    What the fsck does that mean? I don't have a "flex", and even if I did, it wouldn't "it" (whatever "it"ting is).

    1. Re:Umm... what?!?!?! by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you don't have a FlexIt you should get one. It's shiny.

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  10. Meh by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 1

    Too good to be true?

  11. Heat energy by mc1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm holding out for devices that can be charged by the heat of being in my pocket. I have a few candy bars that have found out just how hot it can be in there...

    1. Re:Heat energy by spuke4000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Candy bars!?!? I thought you were happy to see me!

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    2. Re:Heat energy by internerdj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to leave my phone in my car during work for security reasons. This would be a great idea if you can make it out of the imagination phase.

    3. Re:Heat energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There probably is not a large enough temperature gradient from your leg to the outside of your clothing to generate a usable current.

      Now, if you installed heat-sinks on the outsides of your pockets that might do it in cold weather.

    4. Re:Heat energy by vux984 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Candy bars!?!? I thought you were happy to see me!

      His candy bar was all flaccid, squishy, and droopy from being in his pocket.
      That doesn't sound all that happy to me.

    5. Re:Heat energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't get energy out of heat alone. You need a difference of heat.

      So you'd need to occasionally put ice cubes in your pocket for this to work.

    6. Re:Heat energy by Woogiemonger · · Score: 1

      While heat-charging I think is a good idea, the flex-charging also would kick in while being in a pocket and shifted around constantly. It's not like you'd have to actually use it or shake it around to charge it.

    7. Re:Heat energy by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Put a Stirling engine in there. Though, you'll need to connect the cool end to a cool area, some sort of radiator.

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    8. Re:Heat energy by iamnothere900 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should cut down on the spicy food?

    9. Re:Heat energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put a Stirling engine in there. Though, you'll need to connect the cool end to a cool area, some sort of radiator.

      Well shit, is THAT why they call it the cool end? Damn. Thanks for clearing that up!

    10. Re:Heat energy by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you put it in a freezer and wait 20 minutes it will still melt in your mouth all over again.

  12. Why is it shown on the ground? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Why is it important to have it near grass? It just seems odd. Is it supposed to be a wide screen tv for ants?

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    1. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marketing...
      Hey! There's grass growing around it, it must be GREEN! If it's green, it must be good for the environment! Just think of the marketing possibilities.

    2. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 0

      They're implying it's "green" maybe?

    3. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      A cell phone for ants? Now there is an idea!

      Get out of my way, I need to get back to my workbench!

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    4. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by Hitman_Frost · · Score: 1

      It's still too small. The phone has to be at least... three times bigger than this!

    5. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry about that. I missed the trash can.

    6. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 1

      It's not on the ground - look closer. It appears to be in a glass case with a white wall behind it. You can see the phone's reflection in the glass.

    7. Re:Why is it shown on the ground? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right. The grass threw me off. So ... they spent some money to make it just look like it was on the ground, instead of just putting it on the ground. Classy.

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  13. Charges? Okay, but only if it's under $0.20/flex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is no way to fix the economy...

  14. it alreayd has a name by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    its called the VaporFon

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    1. Re:it alreayd has a name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A phone? You 'flex it'? Let me fix that for you, it's called the FaporFon.

    2. Re:it alreayd has a name by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      no no. the FapperFon was market tested and it was found that the FleshLiteFon was more positively received. the latest advances in 4G teledildonics

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  15. Can it really be charged that much?? by elashish14 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly how much kinetic energy is absorbed by a flexible phone in your hand/pocket? And not only that, I'm not familiar with efficiency of modern piezoelectric devices. I don't see how the numbers are remotely feasible....

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    1. Re:Can it really be charged that much?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Assuming the best possible scenario, with 90% efficient piezoelectric conversion....
      You'd have to stamp on it for hours to slightly charge a battery.

    2. Re:Can it really be charged that much?? by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

      Obviously this is a case where they had two separate engineering departments linked by a marketing department:
      The marketing department declared that the phone uses 3x less energy than what one engineering department reported, and the marketing department claimed that the flexing generates 3x more energy than what the other engineering department reported.

    3. Re:Can it really be charged that much?? by c_fel · · Score: 1

      It surely can't. Moreover, they plan to use memory shape alloys to pop out the keys, which is a very bad idea since these alloys are very energy hungry. In fact, I'd avoid putting any memory shape alloy on a small battery-powered device because it would eat the battery in seconds. I bet this device won't happen in years with those specs.

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    4. Re:Can it really be charged that much?? by HEbGb · · Score: 1

      Almost none. This is a non-story and BS news. The concept is stupid and completely unworkable. Even a tiny amount of analysis would show that the recovered energy is so minuscule as to be worthless.

  16. concept products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, concept products
    http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/

  17. So how many cellphone generations are we from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLIWBSjg9w

  18. But its a...Kyocera. by Cythrawl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kyocera make shit phones, period.... This will be just as shit as the rest of their lineup. I have been repairing Cellphones for 4 years now and EVERY Kyocera phone I see is utter garbage.. The OS they use is crap. The Signal/RF capabilities of the phones is crap. The issues they produce are equally baffling. Internal memory gets corrupted and you cant even set a normal ring tone shit like that.

    When a REAL cellphone manufacturer starts to make one I'll be interested, as it stands if it's made by Kyocera I wouldnt even use it to wipe a cows ass.

    1. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Back in the day they made some really great phones. I had a few Kyocera 6035s, and only stopped using them when Sprint refused to activate one for me (jerks). I had a 7135 (I think that is the model) which is what came after the 6035. Color screen, Palm OS 3.5, SD card slot, clamshell, it was awesome.

    2. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by Taibhsear · · Score: 2, Funny

      as it stands if it's made by Kyocera I wouldnt even use it to wipe a cows ass.

      Although I do agree with your feelings on Kyocera phones, I do have to wonder what you would use to wipe a cow's ass. And if it was a good phone why would you wipe a cow's ass with it? Inquiring minds would like to know.

    3. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by LadyDarkKitten · · Score: 1

      I worked (past tense should be noted) for a Sprint call center and we still activate Nextel Lingos... you know the original direct connect brick. Ya, if I had been you I would have called customer care again or just requested a supervisor because the rep you were talking to had no f****ing clue what they were talking about.

    4. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by uhmmmm · · Score: 1

      Maybe the ones they release here are crap (I don't know, never used one), but I've got no complaints with the Kyocera A5521K I had in Japan a couple years back.

    5. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Maybe Kyocera realizes that it sells crap phones, and it is trying a new business model--selling phone concepts. All they need to do is sell this design concept to some other big player and their shareholders will see nice cash flows year to year.

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    6. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by Cythrawl · · Score: 1

      the 7135 was around before I took the job I'm in now, and yes I have to agree that (to an extent) was an awesome phone for a Kyocera unit. But even when I got to play with with it I got this nagging feeling that it could be done better by a different company. It was I admit ahead of its time tho, it was around long before RIM's Crackberry and the like.

    7. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well if I was going to wipe a cow's ass with a phone, a flexible phone would make the most sense.

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    8. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know customer care was hit or miss. Now I walk into the employee store at the Overland Park headquarters and pretend like I work for Sprint and they take care of everything. :)

    9. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by kc8jhs · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Kyocera made what was at the time, a major advancement, a flip phone, that was a full palm pilot, and could run whatever palm apps you could find to put on it.

      I still miss my 7135, 4 years later, and have never seen another phone that rivals its features and reliability. I'm thinking of trying an iPhone soon, but even that isn't the same somehow, given the state of paid/signed apps.

      Also when my third Motorola v710 gave up and I got sick of replacing them, I dug out my first phone, a Kyocera 2135, then over 4 years old, plugged it in, and told Verizon what my EIN was, and it worked GREAT. After 4 years.

      Although I will agree that newer Kyocera phones aren't as good as the old ones, I wouldn't knock them too much.

    10. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Don't get an iphone. Seriously. An HTC Apache that is 4 years old is a better phone overall. And if you're posting on slashdot, you're smart enough to be able to play with the phone in ways it wasn't necessarily meant to be played with. For example, my Apache can run Android (though its ugly) and I can watch divx movies on it easily. I'm a huge open source fan, but in the ultimate twist, the Windows Mobile phones really are the most open devices out there.

    11. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by dublin · · Score: 1

      I agree, Kyocera's made some absolutely awesome stuff. The 6035 was big, but probably the single best-thought-out phone from a user perspective I've *ever* seen, and that definitely includes the vaunted iPhone! It was also rugged as a tank, and had a battery that lasted long enough that you didn't even need to take the charger with you unless you were going to be gone all week, and planned on talking a lot.

      It looks like the new Pre may be the first thing we've seen in years that has as much thinking in its design.

      My two favorite phones of all time were both Qualcomm/Kyocera phones (the 6035, in some ways the best SmartPhone ever, and the ThinPhone, which was without question the best phone ever - that big speaker was *awesome*)- nothing else has ever even been in the same league!

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    12. Re:But its a...Kyocera. by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I had a Kyocera, and it got reception in places no one else I knew could, it never froze up, unlike my current and past phones, and it was fairly durable. Except for when I dropped it and the case split a tiny bit on the seam, so the pinhole charger wouldn't stay in place properly. Lasted 3 years, all told, and would have been longer if I hadn't dropped it.

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  19. creators' newclear power charges you up as you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no gadgets required. alternatively, you could discharge your energy into focusing on the barrage of deceptive hypenosys that we are subjected to daily.

  20. Re:Critical Thinking by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 1

    I don't want to.

    Discuss...

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  21. wouldn't it break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool idea, but wouldn't it break over time? I can imagine rips starting to occur after repeated fold/unfolds (which would occur several times a day throughout the normal 2 year contract)..

  22. Slap bracelet phone? by kkrajewski · · Score: 1

    The alternate universe 80s version of me would totally buy that. But then a competitor will start rumors about it slapping closed and lopping off someone's ear.

  23. Just show it an image of a mac, with its cover ope by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1, Informative

    Your floppy will be hard soon.

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  24. And it grows in an aquarium! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But why doesn't it have a zipper? All the coins will fall out.

  25. Re:Just show it an image of a mac, with its cover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your floppy will be hard soon.

    by SmallFurryCreature (593017)

    Those words out of a furry just sent chills down my spine.

  26. Oh that's my phone flexing in my pocket... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new exercise phone. Strengthen your palms.

  27. Re:Just show it an image of a mac, with its cover by BikeHelmet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How the heck did you get modded Informative?

    Twice, no less!

  28. potential for flip phone version? by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    could this not be integrated into today's existing flip phones? It could charge when you open/close it and your battery would last longer. just think how many times some people open/close their phones to view or send a text message - that's a lot of juice that could be collected

    1. Re:potential for flip phone version? by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      That's how I was thinking of it. Of course you wouldn't want to run your phone off it completely, but it'd make a way to extend battery life, and if you were really in a bind, you'd be able to work up a really tiny bit of charge to make a quick call.

      The fact that this wouldn't be integrated on to phones for years makes this kinda of a non-story though. =\

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  29. Sounds incredible! by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    Wow, all those cool features, this sounds absolutely... oh wait, "just a design idea"? Some guy has cobbled together a wish-list of features which are in no way possible to create with current technology? That's really impressive. Thanks for wasting my time.

  30. In the end, all is well... by geekmux · · Score: 1

    PS: geekmux I wasn't responding like that to your post, your post was funny it's the Anonymous Coward that I was posting to.

    Ah, understood. I do thank you for taking the time to clarify. I was sincerely hoping I didn't come across that desperate. ;-)

    1. Re:In the end, all is well... by LadyDarkKitten · · Score: 0

      No problem. =^_^=