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Swedish Pirate Party Gains 3000 Members In 7 Hours

An anonymous reader writes "Due to outrage over the verdict in The Pirate Bay trial, the Swedish Pirate Party has gained 3000 members in less than 7 hours. It is now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in the Swedish parliament. 'Ruling means that our political work must now be stepped up. We want to ensure that the Pirate Bay activities — to link people and information — is clearly lawful. And we want to do it for all people in Sweden, Europe and the world, continues Rick Falk Vinge. We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages.'"

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  1. Wow.... by Mia'cova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow. I honestly didn't think TPB broke any swedish laws. The name is cute but the site doesn't favor pirated content over legal content. I don't get it.

    1. Re:Wow.... by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You realize that they, like slashdot, are not responsible for what people post?

      At least in the sense that they let you post anything, much like slashdot.

    2. Re:Wow.... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as the DMCA sucks, I don't agree with your comment.

      Slashdot wasn't responsible for what the commenter posted, otherwise the CoS would have been able to sue slashdot and win, regardless of whether the comment was taken down or not.

      The fact that you have to comply with a DMCA takedown doesn't mean that you're responsible for the comment.
      It means you're responsible for the comment, only if you ignore the takedown notice.

      In practice, the comment is gone either way, so it doesn't make much difference to freedom of speech, but you aren't legally (read: financially) responsible.

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    3. Re:Wow.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a supporter means that you're paying subs. Even if they can't be arsed to go out and do any campaigning they're making a difference by giving money plus they're likely to talk about issues that the party raises in their newsletters.

      As someone who is a member of a minority party (in the UK) I'd be very happy if we got 3,000 fee paying members all of a sudden. That kind of money and mind-share is what can lead to electoral victory.

    4. Re:Wow.... by Gerzel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However while DMCA does handle one side of the equation it does not handle the wrongful use of DMCA notices taking down stuff that is legal. There are no anti-DMCA notices.

      There needs to be a system to report on and have abuses checked and punished.

    5. Re:Wow.... by Handlarn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It has everything to do with linking people and information, since hyperlinking copyrighted material is not considered a crime in Sweden.

      Until now, because torrents are technically not much more than a file with links.

      Of course there's an outrage. Linking copyrighted material is LEGAL in Sweden. Hosting copyrighted material for unlawful distribution is illegal. It is obvious that The Pirate Bay have not been involved in the latter.

      They got a one-year prison sentence and 30 million SEK in fines for something that is legal.

    6. Re:Wow.... by Repossessed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are mostly correct. Mostly is the key word here, most DMCA notices are not legitimate. From an earlier /. article:

      In its submission, Google notes that more than half (57%) of the takedown notices it has received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998, were sent by business targeting competitors and over one third (37%) of notices were not valid copyright claims.

      (yes that adds up to over 100%, there is overlap)

      There is, mostly, no penalty for sending fake notices, so people do it all the time. There needs to be statutory damages for sending invalid claims even when the claim is in good faith, and even when no financial damage is done to the victim, to combat this. In cases where the claim is actively malicious, the perjury clause needs to be enforced.

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  2. nuclear bunker may just come in handy by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so what we have here is a possibility that in the future a 'pirate' party controls the government maybe? Would Obama with his RIAA lawyer friends declare Sweden to be part of axis of evil and will actually bomb them to bring in the democracy US style (where only 2 parties are really allowed to hold the government in practice).

    That bunker, that one of their ISP has may just come in handy.

    1. Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy by Ralish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't need to get into government to affect the political process; rather, you need enough seats to be able to have a significant impact on the likelihood of legislation getting through the parliament. I suspect this is what they are aiming for. I'm not sure what the composition is of the American parliament, for instance, but many countries have minor parties with significant representation.

      For example, here in Australia the Greens have several seats in the Senate, enough in fact, that the Government can't pass legislation without their support (assuming they don't have the support of the opposition). This usually isn't a problem, as the Greens will generally go along with most of the government legislation. But, for certain pieces, for example, the government is forced to make concessions to appease the Greens if they wish to get the legislation through.

      The point being, if you need the support of a party in order to get more controversial legislation through, you may well find you need to make concessions to other parties in areas that aren't core to your political ideology in order to advance your main cause. I suspect this is what The Pirate Party would like to achieve. No real aspirations for government, just enough representation to change the law in the areas they really care about.

    2. Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy by Narpak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you confused socialism with Soviet-style communism?

      There seems to be a lot of that going around. People seem to wilfully ignore the fact that there are so many brands of socialism that it almost render the term meaningless. Saying or implying that it is absolutely inevitable that implementing some economical control or oversight will lead to a totalitarian regime.

    3. Re:nuclear bunker may just come in handy by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really hope that this Pirate party gets elected to power in Sweden and abolish the copyright laws. The economic chaos that would ensue and the ridicule that that country would be subjected to worldwide would hopefully make even the most pea brained anti-copyright wannabe crusader realize what a stupid and childish idea that is.

      Actually, what's childish is your over-the-top strawman argument. If you'd bothered to check out their web site, you'd see that they're for copyright reform, not abolition. Go back and study your subject, ignorant child.

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  3. Are there any pirate party members in office? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A political party is worthless if it doesn't have any card-carrying members in office legislating, judiciating or executing... (that doesn't quite sound right, but okay... you get the idea)

    When is the next election cycle? THAT is when things really get shaken up.

    1. Re:Are there any pirate party members in office? by Hottie+Parms · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A political party is worthless if it doesn't have any card-carrying members in office

      Look at the Canadian Green party.

  4. Swedish Pirate Party by omar.sahal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We needed to protect the free and open society, and we needed to assure that the future of culture in people's hands instead of in the hands of media companies who want to bring culture lovers in prison.

    This is taken from the automaticly translated article.
    If these guys are genuine that may be something. By genuine I mean fight intellectual property nonsense, not nut jobs who believe that it is ok to just take others work. They don't sound genuine, however.
    I said this before but I say it again. I think business is good in general, a chronic lack of wealth has a negative effect on sociality. However large corporations (I believe this started in the eighties) now think that to protect their profits they must control a market. This is done through laws that where instituted by means of lobbying, or the extension of laws to areas where they were never meant for. Its OK if there are three or so other big players, then you cant be called a monopoly and be broken up. These people (like banks) have a short term view of things and can harm the competitiveness of the western world.
    You can see this in music, with fees for sampling music. There even a role over rate involved so if an artist has success they pay more for the samples per song, which consumes most of your profit. (the four) Big companies in music are the ones who profit while every one pays out. IP also plays a apart in IT as well, with the added negative (from our view) that companies don't even have to have a strong case, you cant afford 5 million in court fees so you must settle

  5. Re:I suggest by Hottie+Parms · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suggest creating a facebook group and tying a coloured ribbon around the antennae of your car. This is what we do in Canada.

    Modded insightful? No offense, but how is this insightful? I find it more humorous or ironic than Insightful.

    Not saying it shouldn't be modded up, just the "insightful part".

  6. Re:The Thief Party by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it is just fine that copyright, the agreement between "the people" and the creators (actually, the publishers who buy up the content for exclusive distribution and control), has been abused and distorted to the point that works that would be public domain have how completely fallen off the face of the earth? The notion of copyright has been completely twisted to become a control on all entertainment. That was NOT its intent. "The people" were not represented when these changes were imposed and "the people" will have to take it back. In the mean time, civil disobedience is what we are doing -- taking freely as we please in spite of bad law.

    It's not stealing. That's why they use the word "infringement." Stealing is depriving others of their property. That isn't what is happening.

  7. Difference with the US by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting the difference with the US. "Kids" in Sweden are engaging properly in the political process, forming a party and making (real) change happen. Rather than just rolling over and accepting the situation with "nothing we can do" and "who can we vote for, they're all the same".

    Rich.

    1. Re:Difference with the US by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps because the Swedes have a system that allows for multiple parties?
      Our system insures third parties never get anywhere.

  8. Re:The Thief Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you pay Time-Warner when you sing "Happy Birthday to you" in public,
    or do you steal/pirate it?
    Shame on you.

  9. "Linking People to Information?" by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that information wants to be "Free," I suppose...?

    That's fine. Of course, if all TPB was "link people to information," they would not be in this mess. What they did, was link people to *entertainment*, which I understand wants to be paid for, more times than not.

  10. Re:"Knowledge"? by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um, in most bookstores I have been to (including large chain stores like Barnes and Nobel), no one cares if you take a book from the shelf, sit down in one of the comfortable chairs and read as much of the book as you like. It is stealing whenever you take a book out of a bookstore without paying because the store lost a physical book that cost real money to print, etc. What "piracy" is doing is simply reading the book in the store, no loss of the book and someone is perfectly free to read the same book. Only, "piracy" is a bit less damaging because while a bookstore has a finite amount of a certain book, anything digital can make a copy in less than a second with no loss by either side. So not only are you reading a book, but hundreds to millions of others can read the book too.

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