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Antarctic Ice Is Growing, Not Melting Away, At Davis Station
schwit1 writes "A report from The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research says that Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away. Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded."
Many research scientists live their comfy lives on government-stolen funds. They have to, because no one wants to buy their junk.
I have friends who admit to me, off the record, that their government grants are the only way they can pay off their ridiculous college debt that paid for a talent no one wants. Some have even said that they knowingly adopt accepted practices of shenanigans that fudge the data to support beliefs desired by the State.
This is nothing new:
Teacher's unions don't teach. Public healthcare takes care of its own industry rather than patients. Police officers serve and protect the State, not society. TSA agents work hard to enforce their own barrel-chested powers rather than actual securty.
Why should government-granted shills be any different?
It is time for science to be market-driven rather than socialist in nature.
The general public apparently has no idea how incredibly dogmatic, religious, and un-scientific much of modern science has become. Nowhere do you see that more clearly than in cosmology, as highlighted by the Electric Universe folks. I don't care whether you believe in the Electric Universe theory or whether you think it's a load of crap (though, all people I've encountered who felt that way had one thing in common - they were not very familiar with it). It's not the theory that I really want to mention here. It's the associated writings which represent an excellent critique of what modern science has become. Those can be found at thunderbolts.info and at holoscience.com.
I think the real issue here is that scientists have become another authority. Authority of this sort is not compatible with genuine inquiry because it answers questions instead of asking them.
By far the biggest problem is entrenched government grants. You support the standard accepted theories or you are denied grant money. That's wonderful, right up until new theories are needed to advance the field. Then what was intended to be a way to weed out bad science and the like becomes an effective way to hold back progress. I don't think market-driven science is the ideal solution either, because many important pieces of pure research are long-term projects not likely to produce any sort of immediate return on investment.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
> he general public apparently has no idea how incredibly dogmatic, religious,
> and un-scientific much of modern science has become.
and
> I think the real issue here is that scientists have become another authority.
Or put more simply:
"Scientists don't change their minds, they just die."
- Max Planck
And he said that before the politics and money factors entered into science.
Democrat delenda est
Actually, it was Seaking who did it, poked a hole on the layer of carbon dioxide and let the extra heat out. Fuck yeah Seaking! In Soviet Russia, the Internet credits you! I, for one, welcome our new credit-stealing overlords! Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Antarctic ice! Antarctic is not a truck, you can't just throw some snow on top and expect it to convert to - hey, wait a minute...
Slashdot is where old memes come to die. Sadly, they don't stay dead, but haunt this place like the undead, seeking to eat the brains of unwary. Sadly, it seems that you weren't careful, and thus your intellect was devoured, and were made a host to continue this particular stupid meme. Stop it, or we're forced to drive a stake through your heart, cut off your head, and to add the final insult to injury, stuff your mouth with garlic. Oh, and we'll cremate the remains and bury them in an urn at crossroads, under a pile of rocks.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
This is a story from one Murdoch news source, citing another (The Australian). Same thing as the New York Post citing the Times of London.
Life is irony, and nothing ever goes as planned.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Say, I wonder why there's no mention of the Arctic ice, which is the ice that's usually pointed to by climate scientists as a sign of global warming. By the way, most of the ice in the Arctic is not in the "shelf" which we know has been melting like crazy (or in Bush-ese "not unthawing")but rather in the ice which is attached to the landmass. See, the ice that's floating really isn't going to raise sealevels very much when it melts, because it's already floating, but when the huge amount of ice that's anchored melts, we could quickly see sea levels rise by feet, not inches.
And that anchored ice in the Arctic? It's melting, and faster than predicted way back when guys were kids, around the time Al Gore's movie came out.
But the Antarctic ice, which was never the main issue, makes a good red herring for people who want to "show them liberals".
You are welcome on my lawn.
Actually, "Global Warming" has been happening for about 18,000 years after most of North America, Europe and Asia were under ice for more than 100,000 years.... :) Problem is that the Egocentrical Humans that portray normal climate functions as a disaster, assume that the temperatures that were steady and realivent back about 100 yrs ago were the norm. There is no Norm, there is only change. Even if we all die a horrid fiery death because of the earth heating up from various solar cycles, there will STILL be changes of cooling and heating even after ALL HUMANS have been wiped from this planet for 100,000+ years... Until our little sun goes boom. WE DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
Here, Have a test:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html
We are insignificant on the face of the planet. for people that believe "Global Warming" is a true threat then please do us all a favor and stop breathing so that you can limit YOUR impact on the climate.
--- Relax, that mass muderer is just trying to reduce our carbon footprint, one fetus at a time...
Actually, it makes a lot more sense because the US congress never did ratify it.
As we can see, Kyooto was an absolute failure, even it's principle working guildlines proved to be more about money and redistributing it, and control of free people then anything to do with global warming.
Now, this is illuminated all over the world with Kyoto in that out of 180 some countries, only 38 have limits on their Co2. It's also showing that the little Co2 it does sequester is more or less due to forced outsourcing and the big lie is that the non-effect American economy crashed the world economy. Well, that the lie because the world economy was hanging on the American economy due to problems associated with Kyoto's implementation. When the American stock market dropped, a good portion of Kyoto limited countries saw just as much of a fall if not more.
Anyways, what makes this important and why Kyoto is entirely relevant is that the cap and tax or tax and trade or whatever they are calling Obama's oppression plan nowadays, is just a rose by another name. It's implementing the same failed concepts that have proven to do nothing to address the problem but make life hard on the poor, cause jobs to be outsourced to unregulated countries. It doesn't matter of you start calling Kyoto the Munich agreement, it's the same damn shit. Worst of all, it still being driven by fear of doom and gloom and statements like the polar ice caps are disapearing when it turns out to be sensor drift and reports like this one that says it actually growing not shrinking.
Fuck, if we don't even understand the shit well enough to make a factual statement, then why are we pussing around with failures of policy, and implementing a tax that will eventually force someone else to make some device that emitted less Co2 instead of just getting the same scientists around to create the shit and hold them accountable to it.