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BT Blocks Access To Pirate Bay

Barence writes "BT and other mobile broadband providers are blocking access to The Pirate Bay as part of a 'self-regulation' scheme with the Internet Watch Foundation. BT Mobile Broadband users who attempt to access the notorious BitTorrent tracker site are met with a 'content blocked' message. The warning page states the page has been blocked in 'compliance with a new UK voluntary code.' 'This uses a barring and filtering mechanism to restrict access to all WAP and internet sites that are considered to have "over 18" status,' the warning states. It goes on to list a series of categories that are blocked, including adult/sexually explicit content, 'criminal skills,' and hacking. It's not stated which category The Pirate Bay breaches, although the site does host links to porn movies."

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  1. Bittorrent over 3G by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anybody actually do this? How many people really would do this at this time?

    1. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes but it's not about the practicality it's about the precedent and the principle. This is a fundamental shift in the attitude towards internet access where previously it was up to the user to decide what he should or shouldn't see and what might get him into trouble with the law for accessing. Now some manager at my ISP or even some unknown person working for/paying off a third party 'dangerous sites' list decides what my delicate little eyes are capable of handling.

      And they can fuck off right now.

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    2. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Nossie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just to let you guys know....

      I work for Vodafone ... and we do support for their mobile broadband... under the 'voluntary code' even facebook is blocked under the content control bar that is placed on EVERY vodafone sim... even eminem cant be downloaded on mobile phones without this bar being removed.

      to get removed you need either a valid credit card or go into a vodafone store with proof of ID.

      So my question is.... does this come off when you remove the bar or what?

      And btw, if you use BT over 3G you are a fucking goon .... 1GB = £15, you'd be cheaper actually buying your stuff. On the flip side of this at least you can go into a vodafone store and have it removed *almost* anonymously with BT it would appear you have to have some form of address and a 'trackable' account.

      just my 2 cents - but its a total pita when people do not have a cc and cant access fricking FB

    3. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And they can fuck off right now.

      Other than the quoted text, what will you do about this?

      I think that it generally has always been this way but the scope of what is not acceptable is expanding. The same companies provide the bulk of internet access as have provided the bulk of other communication for a long time and those companies are more tightly intertwined than ever before. The people who decided you shouldn't hear a toilet flush on TV will be the ones deciding which web sites you an visit, because they provide both your TV signal and your internet signal.

    4. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm willing to bet this has nothing to do with a dsire to content block, and everything to do with the relatively high costs per MB of providing 3G access.

      I have both 3G and Cable internet access. The cable bogs down a little bit, but I always get quicker DL than with a T1 line. On the 3G network shit goes way tits-up.

      When we had a power outage it damn near halted, and I assume that was just people trying to check the status of the power. I would hate to have to pay for a network be built up to support downloading huge amounts of data.

      Now if I had purchased it for my home access because I was somewhere without the availability of cable I would probably expect differently.

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    5. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      1GB = £15? That's not a bad deal.

      The entire Metallica back catalogue is available in 320kbps MP3 on many torrent sites, weighing in at roughly 900MB. That's 8 albums (St Anger doesn't count) for under the price of one album.

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    6. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Abso-fucking-lutely. If BT starts doing stuff like this for home broadband as well, I'll move to a new provider who doesn't. And so will most of the rest of their customers. Do we really need to block this stuff "For the children"? or are we blocking it because people are scared of Big Content (Which, by the way, includes a number of pornography providers.) I am thoroughly sick of watching as these unelected scumfucks whittle away at our rights through lobbying and dishonest legislation. They kick up a fuss about people stealing their work, but nobody kicks up a fuss when they steal our rights by paying politicians to add secretive riders to legislation. Even people who don't file-share should be worried by this kind of move; if you read the legislation and 'voluntary guidelines' these people are producing, you'll see that they're not just interested in protecting their work; they're interested in controlling, utterly, how you use what you buy from them. DVD zoning is small potatoes compared to what these people want. They want a tiered internet, so they can control what content you see, and how fast. They want a 'music tax' so you pay them whether you use their content or not. They want 'three strikes' rules, so they can strong-arm you into obeying their rules. They want, in short, to be absolute dictators over everything we do, watch, and indeed create on the internet, and they're winning. They're winning because ordinary people are remaining silent, leaving the business of protesting to a hard-bitten bunch of activists. There nneeds to be an awareness campaign that show big content for what it is, and how it will affect not just file sharers and young computer users, but everybody who even vaguely uses the internet, including businesses. If people realise that what Big Content wants is to break their digital legs, I think they'll make it very clear that it's not what they want, with both their wallets and their votes. We need to remind politicians who they're supposed to be working for, because no amount of lobbyist money or donations will get you elected if everyone knows you're a corrupt, nepotistic shill.

    7. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm curious about this too - if it's really the case that there is censorship that can't be removed on any "adult" site for mobile broadband, then that is major news (even leaving aside whether TPB has been fairly categorised or not).

      However, my understanding is it can at least be removed - as you say, with Vodafone they charge your credit card (£1 IIRC - you're supposed to get it back, but I never did...) You do that once (I had to do it for a site that wasn't remotely "adult"), and then it's removed for good.

      TFA does say:

      BT's warning message advises customers to contact customer services if they want the block on the site to be lifted. The message also invites users to seek further information on the self-regulation scheme on the Internet Watch Foundation's website, although an IWF spokesman denies any involvement with the mobile filtering scheme.

      Which suggests this is the case, at least.

      The bit about the IWF is indeed confusing - the IWF maintain the list for the compulsory censorship that you can't opt out, which supposedly is restricted to "potential child pr0n". I've not heard of them maintaining lists of adult sites.

      So in summary, I don't think this is preventing access altogether (can someone confirm that you can access TPB if you opt out on BT broadband?) but there are still concerns. It's still the "Think Of The Children" mentality ("in case phones or laptops fall into the hands of minors", says TFA). Why not just set it to child/adult settings when you buy it, as they can check your age then.

    8. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Similar censorship is being introduced in Japan, in the name of protecting children with internet enabled mobiles from "harmful" web sites. I think you can opt out of their system, which unfortunately is not the case with BT.

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    9. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      which unfortunately is not the case with BT.

      You should be able to opt out of this blocking system (TFA claims this is the case - if someone knows otherwise, please say so, as that would be major news). The one you can't opt out of is the IWF blocking list that's on most ISPs (covers 95% of users), however that list doesn't cover adult sites (well, except for when they mess it up as with Wikipedia).

    10. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can opt out of the IWF list, you just need to install Tor.

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    11. Re:Bittorrent over 3G by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or just use an ISP that doesn't use it... there are lots of them. Some have even sworn never to use it.

  2. Let me... by Erik+Soderstrom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What.. the... f*ck? Is the rest of the world watching China for guidance in this matter? What's happening? Seriously, this is just insane.

  3. The link to solve the problem by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tor.

    Might take a bit 'til you find an exit node in China, but then you're free.

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    1. Re:The link to solve the problem by derrida · · Score: 5, Informative
      Some other options:
      • BTJunkie
      • Demonoid
      • isoHunt
      • LokiTorrent
      • Mininova
      • myBittorrent
      • Seedpeer
      • ShareReactor
      • Suprnova.org
      • TorrentSpy
      • ...
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    2. Re:The link to solve the problem by areusche · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please don't do this. TOR isn't designed to handle torrenting. If you need to browse TPB then by all means go for it, but torrenting over TOR only destroys the network as a whole.

      On a side note, the thing about TOR that cracks me up is that most of the exit nodes always seem to land me in China. Shouldn't I want to avoid using IP addresses from China? What about that Great Firewall of China?

    3. Re:The link to solve the problem by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I didn't mean using TOR to route your P2P traffic through it, using it to access the page is what I meant.

      I'm fairly sure the great firewall of great britain is clumsily enough set to only block access to the port 0x50 traffic, so you should be fine once you have the hash.

      Aside from that, yes, China has the "Great Firewall". But they're too busy filtering anti-Chinese and anti-Communist stuff to care about petty things like our problems. Actually, the fun part is that China certainly doesn't mind if you accessed pages that your government considers "undesireable".

      I mean, think about how much your government cares about anti-Chinese pages.

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    4. Re:The link to solve the problem by Nursie · · Score: 5, Informative

      You forgot one -

      google (filetype:torrent)

    5. Re:The link to solve the problem by rbb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is however a small problem with suggesting sites like Mininova: they don't have their own trackers.

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    6. Re:The link to solve the problem by Hemogoblin · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Let the UK be a warning to you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is how it works...
    1) They tell you blocking will ONLY be used for child porn etc (they promise!)
    2) Then blocking is added to terrorist material to "protect the public"
    3) Then blocking is added to "violent sexual material" to "protect women"
    4) ???
    5) Now it is open season in the UK to block anything

    Welcome to a free democracy. We're totally better than China's government, I promise ;)

    1. Re:Let the UK be a warning to you... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure we're better! WE won't block anti-commie and anti-China pages! You can read all about the Tinam... Tian... well, where they shot all the students, ya know what I mean.

      How long you may still read about the Paris riots a few years ago, well, if you want that, get a Chinese proxy.

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    2. Re:Let the UK be a warning to you... by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Simple private possession of 3 (for some values of) has already been criminalised, as of January 2009 - but curiously the IWF seemingly don't want to block it. Possibly because no one has a clue what exactly is meant to be covered by the law (not even the police or the Government - "it's up to the court to decide!").

  5. Based on this story..... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....It sounds like people will have to start using Tor in the "free world."

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  6. Not surprising by Shrike82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing BT are targetting a particular market demographic, judging by their adverts and the pricing structure they have. For me, their service is overpriced and I can get faster speeds, a lower price and a higher (unlimited actually) data cap with other ISPs. BT seem to be going for the "bewildered middle aged computer user" market with their Home Hub and associated services.

    Really then I'm not surprised that they're blocking TPB, since they're probably fairly confident that this will have little effect on the customers they're targetting, whilst it raises their reputation with watchdog groups and copyright associations.

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  7. Let me guess by cheros · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Voluntary code, no right of redress, zero transparency for your own protection, we have your best interest at heart (translated: we are scared of lawyers, and are too dumb to realise that by being selective we open the doors wide for missing the odd one and being held liable) etc etc.

    From the organisation that brought you Phorm (and didn't tell you), a new violation of their own service T&Cs.

    Lawyers, please sharpen pencils and expense account - BT has just dropped the soap in the shower..

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    1. Re:Let me guess by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Exactly. It's a particularly nasty move by the government:
      • The IWF is 'independent' and therefore the government is not accountable for what they block.
      • ISPs are not required to block the lists that they publish[1] and so the government can not be blamed if they are overzealous.
      • The government has applied pressure to the major ISPs, and threatened them with severe regulation if they do not implement these block lists.

      If you write to the government, they can place the blame on the ISP (although, of course, no charges will ever be brought against the ISPs), but if you complain to the ISPs they will point out that the government has forced them to do this.

      On the off-chance that my MP is participating this out of ignorance, rather than malice, I have written him a second letter detailing the danger of this policy and asking him to raise parliamentary questions. The last letter, unfortunately, he forwarded to the Home Office, who simply replied with a meaningless form letter, so I don't hold out a great deal of hope for this one.

      [1] In the loosest possible sense of the word - the sites listed by the IWF are not available to the general public.

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    2. Re:Let me guess by AndrewNeo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think they don't understand 1984 was a warning, not a guide.

    3. Re:Let me guess by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ya know, I miss the days of the cold war. Back then, our governments had to uphold the facade that they're the good guys and have our interests in mind.

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  8. Net neutrality by Krneki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why we need net neutrality regulations. Today is TPB, tomorrow it will be something else.

    Soon we will see a massive deployement of firewalls blocking everything apart from port 80 and 443. If you want to use VPN, torrents, POP email, ... pay or fuck off.

    No worries hackers will find a workaround and some will be able to use the Internet the way it was meant to be.

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    1. Re:Net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No can do. 11 Million WoW players would instantly clog your call center if they can't access their fix.

      I thought I'd never say it, but I'm starting to be thankful that there are games like this. Mostly for using nonstandard ports that have to remain open, or ISPs will quickly lose a lot of customers. How many use ICQ? Skype? And so many other programs running through nonstandard ports that it just ain't funny anymore.

      Most of those programs are backed by companies that have a very keen interest in keeping their ports open. Closing them will quickly cost you customers since, well, if you can't use the internet the way you want it, why bother paying for it at all?

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    2. Re:Net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A worthy hack project, if you ask me. Get the WoW servers on the blacklists and watch them drown in support calls. It might give them a hint that it's cheaper NOT to mess with the free internet and those that want it.

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  9. Wikipedia explains cum shots here. Block them. by cellurl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikipedia explains cum shots here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_shot

  10. Common Carrier Protection by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BT want to police the internet? No problem.

    Get all the CP and bomb schematics you can folks; It's BT's fault for not preventing access, now.

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  11. A shame by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they won't do the same thing for MALWARE sites! You know, the places where people end up becoming part of a botnet.

  12. Correction by Barence · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please note that the Internet Watch Foundation has subsequently told PC Pro that, although it hosts information about the filtering scheme, it has no involvement with the filtering or the creation of the blacklist. This is down to the mobile broadband providers themselves.

    1. Re:Correction by Ken+D · · Score: 3, Informative

      if that's true, it's an out and out lie.

      I mean just look http://www.iwf.org.uk/ at the big red button used to create their blacklist.
      Even their FAQ says that they distribute a blacklist

  13. Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the Wikipedia block and Internet archive blocks in recent months I couldn't help but think the IWF was testing the water for a general power grab, trying to move far beyond their remit of producing a black list of child porn sites.

    I just found this FTA:

    http://www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.113.243.htm

    So it's true, the IWF has decided it has to be the moral crusader of society and should now start censoring all that it feels like.

    Bets on how long they try to extend this voluntary code which covers all the UK's main mobile providers to hardwired, static internet connections?

    The problem here isn't BT, it's not The Pirate Bay. It's the fucking IWF again.

    Time they're disbanded, the problems they cause now go far, far beyond any benefit they can ever provide.

    1. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by Jellybob · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bets on how long they try to extend this voluntary code which covers all the UK's main mobile providers to hardwired, static internet connections?

      They already have. The ISP I work for have been dropping any packets destined for sites on the IWF's blacklist for several years now.

      I should clarify that most of us aren't happy about it, but a gentleman's agreement is in place that we can either do it voluntarily, or the government can make it a legal requirement and heap more trouble to implement.

    2. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by TobascoKid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But if the government starts to do it then (theoretically) there's somebody to hold publicly accountable for what ends up on the blacklist. At the moment, the IWF can block whatever they like and answer to no one.

      Even better, once the government starts doing it, they might end up being forced to start paying ISPs to do the filtering (like they're doing with the email spying). Then it becomes a target for eventual cuts in public spending and one day may quietly disappear.

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    3. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Write to your MP again, stating "If you want my vote, make it to do with you."

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    4. Re:Ah so the IWF is after a power grab. by dcollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I should clarify that most of us aren't happy about it, but a gentleman's agreement is in place that we can either do it voluntarily, or the government can make it a legal requirement and heap more trouble to implement.

      That's not a "gentleman's agreement". That's called "being a pussy".

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  14. All the UK mobilecos by rpjs · · Score: 3, Informative

    block "adult" content by default, but will remove the block once you've proved you're over 18, usually by supplying a valid credit card number. T-Mobile even included Facebook in the block a year or two back. Dunno if they still do.

    1. Re:All the UK mobilecos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The website for the company I worked for was blocked too. The reason? A flatshare form on the site had the word "sex" (as in gender) on it. It was discovered when sales staff using laptops and Vodaphone mobile broadband couldn't demo our own site to clients without unlocking.

  15. Now you know the British have gone mad by tjstork · · Score: 3, Funny

    You could theoretically make excuses for the cameras, but, man, when the British are blocking porn, you know that island nation has hit a rough patch in its history.

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  16. Misleading Summary by shinier · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kinda missed an important bit of that article there, didn't you? "BT's warning message advises customers to contact customer services if they want the block on the site to be lifted." You still get to choose.

  17. Get to the meat of the story... by JimXugle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is this implemented?

    DNS?
    OpenDNS' IPs are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220

    DPI?
    https://thepiratebay.org/

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  18. We know this is coming, right? by VShael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These harsh restrictive laws are coming for all of us. It's just a matter of time.

    What we need right now, is to plan the ways of defeating this sort of rubbish, and circulating that information while the net is still relatively free.

  19. Well Colour Me Confused by Flibberdy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    O2 are my mobile service provider (owned by BT) and I just navigated to thepiratebay.org with absolutely no issues.
    I was using GPRS to do this rather than 3G though, so maybe that it... although that makes almost no sense.
    Unless we only want to stop children downloading porn at high speed?

  20. I moved away from BT expecting this by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some months ago, when a bunch of stories starting coming up of large ISPs starting up voluntary schemes and trials and whatnot I actually left BT and moved to a smaller, friendlier ISP exactly with the expectation that this sort of thing would come to be.

    *big pat on the back*

    Shameless plug for my current ISP, ADSL 24 - cheaper (for the typical user), just as fast (maybe even faster), no traffic shaping, no blocking, no bullshit. Never got any problem with them.

    By the way, last I checked, the ISPs to avoid at all costs in the UK (with regards to things like blocking and traffic shaping) where BT, Virgin and Tiscalli.

  21. Goodbye Common Carrier Status? by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't this mean that they're voluntarily giving up common carrier status?

    The old defense being that they were like phone companies, they had no responsibility in what their users did.

    Well, BT just announced that they are, in some small way, taking responsibility for what their users look at.

    So what happens when FOX releases yet another Summer Bomb in the theaters and decides to use Piracy on the Internet as an excuse? Well, BT banned TPB, that means since they DIDN'T ban the other sites this is partially their fault, right?

    1. Re:Goodbye Common Carrier Status? by grahamm · · Score: 3, Informative

      BT, and other telecos and ISPs, have never had 'common carrier' status. AFAIK the only organisations which have are those such as the Railways who transport physical goods.