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Brazilian Pirates Hijack US Military Satellites

blantonl writes "Brazilians all over the country are using modified amateur radio equipment to communicate with each other using US Military communications satellites — effectively creating their own CB radio network on the backs of the US Military. Recent efforts to crack down have resulted in arrests of some of the users, however the behavior still continues today."

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  1. Wow by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's a lot of pirates.

    1. Re:Wow by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not kidding. The FSM in all is noodley wisdom is cracking down on global warming. We keep seeing Pirate stories and we keep seeing stories showing how Global Warming isn't happening like this story yesterday.
      ALL HAIL FSM!

      ~Touched by His noodley appendage~

    2. Re:Wow by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Funny

      See, this is why Pirates beat Ninjas. What story have you read talks about Brazillian Ninja's taking over satellites? Somalian Ninjas hijack cargo ships? None, that's how many.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pirates are only in the news because they're sloppy. Ninjas would have killed whoever found out before they found out then covered up their tracks. You obviously don't know anything about ninjas, you should go do some learnin' before you anger a ninja, I suggest here (realultimatepower.net) to get the real deal.

    4. Re:Wow by stoicfaux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excuse me? Have you not heard about the Bermuda Triangle, UFO abductions, or Income Tax? All the work of ninjas.

    5. Re:Wow by causality · · Score: 3, Informative

      Excuse me? Have you not heard about the Bermuda Triangle, UFO abductions, or Income Tax? All the work of ninjas.

      I was with you right up until "income tax." The income tax is proof that there is a Satan. An income tax is much more complex and labor-intensive than all other forms of taxation. It's also much more prone to cheating compared to excise or sales taxes. The only reason for having one is so that you can use carrot-and-stick methods to manipulate the population ("do something we like, get a tax credit; do something we don't like, pay more"). That's the only "benefit"; otherwise it is inferior in every way to all other forms of taxation.

      If the pirates support a national sales tax to replace the income tax, then I have to say they are better than the ninjas! That's too bad, because the Bermuda Triangle and UFO abductions were pretty good. Maybe the ninjas were framed and manipulative social engineering isn't really their fault!

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    6. Re:Wow by anothy · · Score: 4, Funny

      the income tax does nothing to prove Satan. giving part of your earnings to the community is an altruistic gesture, is found throughout human history, and may even be biologically wired into our brain, inherited from our ancestors.

      no, the IRS proves Satan.

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    7. Re:Wow by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

      So now, we will refer to anyone who does anything we don't like as "pirates"?

      Actually, it's been in common usage for people illegally using chunks of radio spectrum for decades.

    8. Re:Wow by blantonl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Come on folks, this is a serious news article :-)

      I've spent a tremendous amount of time listening to these bootleggers on the FLTSATCOM satellites. It is rather easy for them (the Brazilians and others) to modify a amateur radio or other transmitters to use these satellites.

      Basically, these satellites work by listening on one frequency (an uplink), and rebroadcasting what they hear over a specified frequency bandwidth to listeners (a downlink). The uplink and downlink frequencies are well known and published across many mediums - including Mil-Std documents which specify how terminals should interact with these satellites.

      I published a spectrum analysis article on this very topic here (shameless plus):

      http://radioreference.blogspot.com/2008/10/vhfuhf-spectrum-analysis-using-rf-space.html

      This method of communication is actually very secure for the US Military - since they rarely use clear voice on these transponders - meaning, they encrypt all transmissions to and from.

      Now, an open repeater, in Geospacial orbit, provides a set of repeaters for anyone to use... either the US military (which they still actively use) - or others who have equipment that can transmit to, and reiceve from.

      For those that are dismayed by this approach, understand that when this technology was developed, security by obscurity was a common approach even for military agencies. It wasn't feasible even 10 years ago to "authenticate" use access to open satellite transponders.

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  2. 2 options by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like the feds have 2 good options:

    1) Shut down this capability. This may involve shutting down the birds.
    2) Find a way to charge for it

    Oh, and maybe a 3rd:
    3) Replace the satellites with something secure and sell the birds to someone else and let them worry about it.

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  3. Pirates by fisticuffs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What exactly are the "pirates" pirating? Does mere communications count as "piracy" now?

    1. Re:Pirates by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      What exactly are the "pirates" pirating? Does mere communications count as "piracy" now?

      They may be extending an older term referred to as Pirate Radio which referred to the 'piracy' of radio frequencies. But how can you steal a frequency? :)

      Keep in mind this term was around long before internet piracy and I'm guessing they are extending this concept to illicit satellite usage that is very much like a broadcasting communication technology. The military might not be needing these satellites to remain silent just like the FCC doesn't absolutely need silence on all non-allocated radio bands.

      Remember, almost every word has baggage before you pick it up and use it. Even worse is the fact that that baggage is very much subjective.

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    2. Re:Pirates by causality · · Score: 3, Informative

      What exactly are the "pirates" pirating? Does mere communications count as "piracy" now?

      Never heard the term "pirate radio" before?

      I'll explain this in terms of the USA. To broadcast on many frequencies (such as those picked up by a standard AM/FM radio) with any appreciable transmission power (i.e. more than about 300 feet) you are supposed to have an FCC license for that frequency. Pirate radio is what they call it when someone makes a powerful unlicensed transmission on such a frequency. Usually this is done in order to get a message out, particularly a message that "the Establishment" (if you will) or the mainstream would find counter to its interests. Remember that arge media conglomerates such as Clearchannel tend to own most or all of the radio stations in a given area.

      So, this deal with the US military satellites involves a "pirate signal" in the sense of an unauthorized transmission.

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    3. Re:Pirates by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Informative
      But how can you steal a frequency?

      By transmitting on it.

      rj

  4. what's with the !pirates tag? by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful

    read up, whoever tagged this story with "!pirates"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_radio

    piracy has widespread meanings, from the somali crazies type pirates to software/music/movie/etc. pirates to pirate radio communication.

    just like hacker vs cracker, that battle was 'lost' many decades ago, probably before you were even born.

  5. Back in the day.... by Subgenius · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember when those birds used to pickup terrestrial FM stations. You could listen to the downlink 'in the clear.' This use of military satellites goes back to, at least, 1978.

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  6. It's called pirate radio by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bad geek! It's called Pirate radio, and it's been around longer than the Pirate bay!

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  7. 40 year old tech? by DomNF15 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With defense appropriated funds accounting for a large chunk of the USA's annual budget, you'd think they could use something newer than 1970's era technology for long range com...wouldn't the time/money/resources spent on busting the "pirates" be better spent on a new (secure) system?

    1. Re:40 year old tech? by Shawndeisi · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you missed the part where the United States is not the government cracking down on the pirates.

  8. Re:Pirates? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    thousands of Brazilians

    Trazilians, you mean, surely.

  9. Listening to Pirate Radio... by tekrat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Costs a buck an ear!

    HAHAHAHAHAH

    I kill me.

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  10. Re:Crazy by the+coose · · Score: 4, Informative

    One standard amateur VHF transceiver, one frequency doubling circuit, one reasonably high gain antenna. And possibly some satellite tracking software. All easily available.

  11. An even easier option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...would be to give the crews of these satellites some weapons to fend off the pirates.

  12. No, just old by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Informative

    These are old "bent pipe" FLTSATCOM birds from the 1980s. The transponder tech dates to the 1970s. It's all going to be superseded by the Mobile User Objective System very soon now, so it might even be a good idea to just sell Brazil the old system. Well, assuming the GEO slots aren't needed.

  13. Ninja by evilkasper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ninjas don't leave evidence nor any other trace , kinda part of being a ninja. See if a Ninja hijacked a ship they'd also erase all traces of its existence; yes they are very thorough. Then after they were done with that they'd whip out an electric guitar and rock hard. (all my assumptions are based of 80's Ninja movies)

    1. Re:Ninja by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      A particularly cunning ninja would plant evidence that made it look like pirates performed a particular deed. You know, things like parrot droppings on the floor, and spraying walls with "arghhh, me 'arties".

    2. Re:Ninja by thhamm · · Score: 3, Funny

      chuck norris invented those satellites in the first place, and hurled them into space with his bare hands!

  14. Because... by DomNF15 · · Score: 4, Informative

    NASA budget: $17.2 billion - DoD budget: $515.4 billion - nuff said...

  15. The definition of "Pirate", among other things... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now pirate is going to be used for anyone using something for nothing?

    So now "prostitute" is going to be used for anyone selling sex?

    So now "pilot" is going to be used for anyone flying a plane?

    Uh, hate to break it to you, but sometimes the right word is used properly. But if you prefer, we could always call them "hackers" and really stir up the geek shit pot...

  16. Not used anymore... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Asides from the fact that these operators were way outside their respective allowed band, they did no harm as these satellites aren't even used anymore by the US-Navy (for whom they were built). They should repurpose them for civilian use if possible - which would be cool as they are geo stationary.

  17. Re:Crazy by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Based on the description in the article, I'm guessing the sats in question use linear transponders similar to many of the AMSAT Oscar (AO) satellites.

    http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/langdon.php has info on some of the AMSAT satellites.

    It sounds like the security of the "as designed" military system was implemented at the endpoint radios with no satellite involvement. For 1970s satellites this makes sense - keep the satellite (the REALLY expensive part) simple, unfortunately it does make the system susceptible to illicit use and jamming.

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  18. Re:American military genius at work by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

    durka durka, muhammad jihad.

  19. Re:not that big a deal by CraftyJack · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ships call for help using a 406 MHz EPIRB. The signal is picked up by the COSPAS-SARSAT satellite network and relayed to a local SAR station. The 406 MHZ beacons are a big improvement over the old 121.5 and 243 MHz beacons, as they support identification and GPS data. The old beacons basically just scream "Help!".

  20. W.T.F. by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "If a soldier is shot in an ambush, the first thing he will think of doing will be to send a help request over the radio," observes Brochi. "What if he's trying to call for help and two truckers are discussing soccer? In an emergency, that soldier won't be able to remember quickly how to change the radio programming to look for a frequency that's not saturated."

    What if he's shot in the field and the *enemy* saturates all the frequencies? This should have been secure from the get go, anything less is criminal.

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  21. Let them by oldhack · · Score: 4, Funny

    We get their soccer team and call it even. Deal?

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  22. So if i pirate Music with these Satellites... by freedom_india · · Score: 5, Funny

    If i pirate Music with these Satellites, does the RIAA sue the US Navy for "facilitators of illegal downloading" ?
    I would be thrilled to read in the newspapers the next day that RIAA lawyers were water boarded 183 times by the marines...

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    1. Re:So if i pirate Music with these Satellites... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...were water boarded 183 times by the marines.

      When I saw that the CIA had waterboarded a terror suspect 183 times, it made me wonder how the decision was made after they had waterboarded the guy 182 times and not gotten what they wanted to try just once more.

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    2. Re:So if i pirate Music with these Satellites... by berashith · · Score: 4, Funny

      nope, it is specified in the waterboarding for dummies guidebook. A suspect will immediately start talking, but that is only because they want you to stop. You must continue the process until you know that you are getting the truth. To get to the truth you simply count the times that the waterboarding is applied. Then thou must count to 183. 183 shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be 183. 184 shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count 182, excepting that thou then proceedeth to 183. 185 is right out.

  23. truthiness on real ninjas by evilkasper · · Score: 3, Informative
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  25. Why is this even illegal? by hackel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the incompetent soldiers at the U.S. Navy can't figure a way to secure their own satellites, why should the citizens of another country on the other side of the planet be prosecuted, fined, or worse, merely for sending out a radio signal that happens to match the same frequency the U.S. military used? This is insanity. It makes me angry that the Brazilian government is cooperating at all with the U.S. Defence Department in targeting these individuals. They should be protecting them! If a U.S. soldier is wounded in the field and is unable to radio for help, he or she should curse himself first, for joining the military, and second his idiot government for designing such an insecure satellite.

    I hope more Brazilians and others from around the world get in on this act! Perhaps there's a way we can use it to multicast data as well, that would be brilliant!

  26. Re:Amazing by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny

    The USA thought long and hard about this. They needed to shift data around the world and sniff for it. Huge amounts, everyday, all day. The last thing that would help is a big slow computer up in space. Encrypt, bounce (in space), decrypt You can swap out the ground stations and systems if the Soviets got the info. Swapping out a satellite is a pain. Back in the cold war all the Soviets could do was read encrypted traffic. Anyone can bounce their own 'data' too. US 'training' staff and private 'consultants' will track your position as you are transmitting. Now your "arrested" ie your not up on condortel for the SNI to "find".

    Burma-shave.

  27. Can't let this one go without comment by sean.peters · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Much of the parent is misleading or false.

    An income tax is much more complex and labor-intensive than all other forms of taxation.

    It's true that our current income tax system is complex... but it's hardly true that this is an essential feature of income tax systems. We could have a simple income tax system, but we've chosen not to. Similarly, excise and sales taxes can be complex, and some of them are... at the very least, they vary wildly from state to state and product to product.

    The only reason for having one is so that you can use carrot-and-stick methods to manipulate the population ("do something we like, get a tax credit; do something we don't like, pay more"). That's the only "benefit"; otherwise it is inferior in every way to all other forms of taxation.

    This is utterly ridiculous. The reason for having an income tax is that it can be made progressive (in other words, you can make rich people pay proportionally more), in ways you can't with sales/excise taxes. That's the benefit of an income tax system... and yes, it is in fact a benefit. The carrot & stick effect is by no means exclusive to income taxes, either - excise taxes on, for example, cigarettes, are explicitly a stick being wielded against tobacco use.

    1. Re:Can't let this one go without comment by LordVader717 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your assumption actually proves you're not experienced in the matter.
      It's actually quite the opposite. Rich people aren't generally affected by sales tax. That's because rich people generally put their money into real estate or invest in shares. Proportionally they use much less on living than the less wealthy do. That's why sales tax is highly regressive.
      It's a little far fetched to claim that lower classes only pay for food and rent. They also spend their money on consumer goods like TVs and computers, furniture, household equipment, cars and not least leisure and going out, all of which is hurt by sales tax. For rich people all of this is mere pennies.

  28. Re:Amazing by ajlitt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Translation:

    In the '70s it was more practical to have satellites retransmit a raw signal than to have them decrypt on receive and encrypt on transmit. This system is easily exploited. Where's my mind control signal deflector beanie?

  29. Re:Same Thing with Video Game Consoles by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, they put that in to maintain a monopoly on the manufacture of cartridge and software for the NES. They didn't want just anybody to be able to sell their own software directly to customers without Nintendo getting a paid. It wasn't to stop piracy. It was to stop the legitimate writers of software from selling their work.

  30. To amplify on this by sean.peters · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mod parent up. The US is, in fact, building a replacement satellite system (as discussed in TFA). Also, the US is not spending the dollars to bust these guys - the Brazilians are (at our behest, as also pointed out in TFA).

    It's also important to note that the 70's technology in question was designed and launched... in the 70's. It's not like we put those birds up there yesterday. As also noted in the article.

    In conclusion: read the article before posting (I know, I must be new here).

  31. Re:Crazy by Starteck81 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm licensed for the HAM General class. The answer is yes, you can use a HAM radio with out a license as long as you don't transmit. In case of an emergency you don't even have to be licensed transmit to obtain help.

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