Because my job isn't to report on this and because the bit I copied was enough to being attention to the point I was trying to make, with said point having nothing to do with gender but rather the author's attempt at manipulation by counting together touch and rape.
Not to mention the fact that this was obviously a quote of the full description, with the description being a mere scroll away.
You saw a gender bias where there was none, so it was probably just your own.
According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college
So basically they asked about touching and sex just so they can put the phrase "nonconsensual sex" and "one-quarter" together?
Those 2 are nowhere near the same level of severity to be reported in that fashion.
I've been touched plenty times nonconsensually, I figured "that's a bit too familiar" (yes I'm a man, yes by women), however I wouldn't place those occurrences nowhere near anything having to do with rape.
You shouldn't have been down-voted. There was a lot of pretty radical nepotism, there was a story of a subway cleaning lady making making 6 figures, that's insane -- probably an event with a magnitude of singular occurrence, but gives you an idea of how far things had gone. Those people getting fired was the right thing to do, but it only resulted in a temporary surplus, not growth. Different measures were/are required.
You're right of course, I was just sharing my personal experience growing up (hospitals, schools etc.).
Tax evasion is jokingly said to be the national sport.
The crazy thing is that people don't pay taxes because the gov is corrupt and will pocket the money but then keep voting for the same people, Greece has been mostly influenced by 2 political families since the day before forever.
Of course, that is only one of the causes for the current situation, there's always some conflict affecting this place, hell there was an overthrow of The Junta (as referred to by natives) as soon as '73. Always broke, always in debt, always something fucked up going on.
Things kept piling up that were not being dealt properly after each occurrence, either to stabilize, repair or plan for growth. People tend to focus on one thing, but there has been a lot of pressure building up. So many things stacked crooked, I guess it's my generation's fault to face a similar disturbance as almost all others before it.
That's nothing, wanna see desperation? Look for the rise in support for the neo-Nazi criminal enterprise disguised as a political party, New Dawn.
All the while talking about the good old days (i.e. ancient Greece, birthplace of democracy), reconciliating that with their beliefs must have taken some serious mental gymnastics.
I do the same rant/joke too, although in mine I also suggest selling a couple of islands, we've got like a bazillion of them. They're already running like crap, generally neglected, bad infrastructure, people with cardiac episodes being flown in super puma helicopters to nearby islands where there's a doctor.
Sell a couple to the EU, the Germans can build and run things, the French, Italians and locals can handle the touristy stuff, hell I'd move there permanently.
I'm not any kind of authority on the matter, nor have I done any non-trivial research just what I see on the news and what I've gathered by talking with people here, but some surpluses that we got to see in the papers occasionally were a direct result of the austerity measures.
By that I mean something akin to firing 30% of your employees and then showing the investors all the money you managed to save, given a few more quarters the actual repercussions of that decision would become clear, i.e. lower productivity, eventual net loss.
Yeah there were more money in the country's coffers for a while, but it wasn't due to economic growth. Most people here who've managed to keep their jobs work a lot more than before with little to no pay (and I mean 6-8 months of no pay) and not leaving because if they do they won't be able to find another one, and just hope that the situation will improve and they'll eventually get paid. That's the opposite of growth.
And the equally occasional improvements in the national stock market (few points up every now and then) get undone soon after.
I could be wrong though, you may have a different source of information for what you said. Just letting you know what I'm seeing from the inside.
That did happen, but it's not like anyone had a crystal ball. It was that we had all seen the results of the 2 major parties' work over the decades and they kept making matters worse. A change was needed. Who the hell knows what's going to happen now.
Not even the people in charge do, from any side. Obviously the austerity measures that have already been implemented had a negative impact, making it impossible for the country to grow economically and pay its outstanding debts.
This is a seriously complicated and screwed up situation and everyone just keeps blaming everyone else (and depending on who you ask, even themselves).
Also, as an addition to my previous comment, you should have said 60% of Greeks "can't seem to come to terms with reality".
40% of us tried to be reasonable and play it safe with a matter of such importance.
I know gross generalizations sound cool when you're on your soapbox, but give credit where credit's due (pun intended).
You're right in general, but regarding the remark about gettings things for "free"; can we switch the generic "Greeks" to "Greek politicians"? Because us Greeks in general have gotten jack shit for free, if anything, we've been paying for everything twice.
Free health care: passing doctors money under the table to get them to work on you.
Free education: Having to spend tons of money and time for private tutoring.
(In both cases, with a crumbling infrastructure.)
Democracy: Pretty much the same stacked 2 party system as any other nation, with extra corruption sprinkled on. I'm talking about major parties, not nutty ones with inconsiderable amounts of supporters. The currently governing party did shake things up though, broke the 2 previous major parties' taking turns, not sure if that is for better or worse, we'll found out in a few days.
And it's not like we've had it easy on taxes either, middle class families having their income taxed in half and paying out of pocket for all the things those taxes should have bee going to in the first place.
Worst thing (so far) has been formatting a PHP date() DB timestamp wrong for entries associating users and payments. I think it was something like accidentally using 'M' for both month and minute.
At the same time, there was a bug somewhere that periodically caused only one of the 2 tables to be written to, when we noticed that the tables were out-of-sync we immediately jumped to the timestamps to make some sense of the situation, which of course didn't work in this case.
Took only a few hours to sort out since we could use other available information to fix it, but it was my 1st or 2nd real job at around 18 so I figured I was canned; I wasn't though, it was one of those "lesson learned, watch out for it next time" situations -- my boss was really frustrated though.
1. Says so in your signature already.
2. I'm fully aware of your political beliefs which you rightly guessed that I do not espouse. "We" Greeks did jack shit, the ancient Greeks built the Parthenon along with a number of other really impressive feats. And the Telly Savalas thing was indeed funny, but that's not what prompted me to criticize your taking pride in an ancient civilization's accomplishments, just because you happen to share some traits, out of dumb luck.
Ran out of mod points but discussion is encouraged anyways, and it's not like my getting slightly off-topic can mess with the site's currently declining quality (even though this particular news article isn't half bad).
My political views (asked in Greeklish) are not relevant, it's best you judge my remarks on their merits.
The dude keeps mentioning his nationality at every chance, as if dumb-chance geographical placement at the time you pop out is somehow a point of pride. His choice of quote is the least of his problems.
Also, sharing some geography with a cool civilization that lived a few thousand years before your time, whose accomplishments had absolutely nothing to do with you, does not increase your cachet one iota. Yes, iota is Greek!
that for the celebrities taking their nude selfies, the probable benefits of their actions outweighed the probable negatives
What the hell is wrong with the author, basing his proposition on a premise that was already proven to be wrong by reality? Wasn't the leak a probable negative? Didn't it outweigh the probable positives?
I'm working with Ruby code all day, and you were quite right to facepalm. That wasn't some convoluted one-liner, it was perfectly readable and didn't allocate space for an unnecessary lambda as the final "clean" iteration does.
Anything more complicated than that and breaking it into pieces wouldn't hurt, the one-liner cleverness gets old ready fast if abused.
Ironically enough, the clever code of old that had to be creative to deal with low specs is one of the cleanest, clearest, most elegant code I've seen. I used to review ancient Linux, FreeBSD and Xenix source to pass the time on slow days at the office and it was beautiful. On the other hand, I guess it kind of had to be, because debugging anything complex back then would have probably been hell (I'm assuming, I'm not old enough to know).
The examples I gave ware successful in demonstrating a high-risk situation vs a low risk one, and that adults should be able to assess these sorts of situations properly.
Nowhere did I suggest that people be IT professionals, as it's not about the cloud nor any other intricate technicality, but I simply stated that you should flat out not create documents of any sort that can be damaging to your image, if that image is important to you. Someone hacking your account, someone stealing your phone or laptop, you forgetting your phone at a park bench, you accidentally sending them to the wrong person and a myriad of other reasons should discourage you from putting yourself at risk without any real benefits. Those people have spectacularly failed at that, so part of the blame goes to them, as well as to the people who violated their privacy, if we want to be realistic.
You called them hapless, you accounted them no responsibility, essentially treating them as non-people. Is that really the right way to treat healthy adults?
Finally, your post makes it sound like I'm on some sort of a crusade against them or as if I were defending the people who both broke valid laws and violated someone else's privacy, which I absolutely did not. Your excessive defensiveness and offensiveness stems from your own issues man, don't put that on me.
Quit with the black and white stuff, it's not that clearcut. If you walk past a neighborhood which is known for its high criminal activity wearing a Rolex, holding a $600 iPhone with one hand and a $2000 laptop with the other, then yes, it obviously is also your fault if you get mugged. The universe does not stand on principles.
The problem is that people (you being a prime example) fail to calculate risk effectively. For example, the risk of someone hacking a PCI compliant institution and stealing my credit card info (from a card with limited funds which I only use for on-line purchases) is low enough that doesn't dissuade me from making CC purchases -- also taking into account other safeguards.
However, if public image was important to me then I certainly wouldn't store embarrassing pictures of me anywhere. Especially not on a laptop I'd brazenly display while walking past a bad neighborhood -- or someone else's server.
Also, if you're looking to get rubbed[sic] then $1000 in cash would certainly help.
I learned that many programmers are musicians or good at various art forms. Which surprised me because I was a good programmer and can't play a musical instrument or do anything artistic at all.
Music is basically counting and patterns, something that should come naturally to most programmers. The music theory jargon can easily go over your head at the beginning but you don't need to dive into it to actually play music at a basic level, and after you get some practise and a feel for it, the more advanced stuff start to make sense.
The hard part is actually getting some level of technical proficiency over your instrument of choice, dexterity is rarely useful in real life but it's the basis of playing most instruments.
If you can whistle a tune you can play music, getting control over the new medium (the instrument in this case) is the biggest issue, as the learning curve is highly steep and the fact that you'll initially sound like crap doesn't provide adequate positive re-enforcement, something necessary to any learning process.
Also, the fact that the cheap learner instruments sound really bad and are much harder to play than the expensive awesome sounding stuff doesn't help either.
PS: I'm an amateur self-taught guitar player, maybe someone with actual training can provide a better perspective.
Everyone focused on the very personal concern I voiced, which is me being grossed out by the finger dipping approach. No-one touched on the very real issue of whether there were any compromises in accuracy for making this thing work as a nail-polish. For Pit's sake I've got a sister and plenty of female friends and I don't want them to get in trouble just because they trusted a product based on how popular it is, due to people drowning out valid criticisms, like mine.
I don't care if someone claims they've found the cure for cancer, show me the data, then I'll tattoo your name on my forehead.
Also, I don't have to have a better idea to voice concerns, just like I don't have to be a master chef to say that I don't like the food at a restaurant.
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Also, the bit you highlighted isn't even in the summary. I just copied and pasted the relevant bit.
Because my job isn't to report on this and because the bit I copied was enough to being attention to the point I was trying to make, with said point having nothing to do with gender but rather the author's attempt at manipulation by counting together touch and rape.
Not to mention the fact that this was obviously a quote of the full description, with the description being a mere scroll away.
You saw a gender bias where there was none, so it was probably just your own.
According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college
So basically they asked about touching and sex just so they can put the phrase "nonconsensual sex" and "one-quarter" together?
Those 2 are nowhere near the same level of severity to be reported in that fashion.
I've been touched plenty times nonconsensually, I figured "that's a bit too familiar" (yes I'm a man, yes by women), however I wouldn't place those occurrences nowhere near anything having to do with rape.
Undoing accidental negative mod, was going for +1 Funny. :)
Yes, because we're all the same. Obviously...
You shouldn't have been down-voted. There was a lot of pretty radical nepotism, there was a story of a subway cleaning lady making making 6 figures, that's insane -- probably an event with a magnitude of singular occurrence, but gives you an idea of how far things had gone. Those people getting fired was the right thing to do, but it only resulted in a temporary surplus, not growth. Different measures were/are required.
You're right of course, I was just sharing my personal experience growing up (hospitals, schools etc.).
Tax evasion is jokingly said to be the national sport.
The crazy thing is that people don't pay taxes because the gov is corrupt and will pocket the money but then keep voting for the same people, Greece has been mostly influenced by 2 political families since the day before forever.
Of course, that is only one of the causes for the current situation, there's always some conflict affecting this place, hell there was an overthrow of The Junta (as referred to by natives) as soon as '73. Always broke, always in debt, always something fucked up going on.
Things kept piling up that were not being dealt properly after each occurrence, either to stabilize, repair or plan for growth. People tend to focus on one thing, but there has been a lot of pressure building up. So many things stacked crooked, I guess it's my generation's fault to face a similar disturbance as almost all others before it.
That's nothing, wanna see desperation? Look for the rise in support for the neo-Nazi criminal enterprise disguised as a political party, New Dawn.
All the while talking about the good old days (i.e. ancient Greece, birthplace of democracy), reconciliating that with their beliefs must have taken some serious mental gymnastics.
I do the same rant/joke too, although in mine I also suggest selling a couple of islands, we've got like a bazillion of them. They're already running like crap, generally neglected, bad infrastructure, people with cardiac episodes being flown in super puma helicopters to nearby islands where there's a doctor.
Sell a couple to the EU, the Germans can build and run things, the French, Italians and locals can handle the touristy stuff, hell I'd move there permanently.
I'm not any kind of authority on the matter, nor have I done any non-trivial research just what I see on the news and what I've gathered by talking with people here, but some surpluses that we got to see in the papers occasionally were a direct result of the austerity measures.
By that I mean something akin to firing 30% of your employees and then showing the investors all the money you managed to save, given a few more quarters the actual repercussions of that decision would become clear, i.e. lower productivity, eventual net loss.
Yeah there were more money in the country's coffers for a while, but it wasn't due to economic growth. Most people here who've managed to keep their jobs work a lot more than before with little to no pay (and I mean 6-8 months of no pay) and not leaving because if they do they won't be able to find another one, and just hope that the situation will improve and they'll eventually get paid. That's the opposite of growth.
And the equally occasional improvements in the national stock market (few points up every now and then) get undone soon after.
I could be wrong though, you may have a different source of information for what you said. Just letting you know what I'm seeing from the inside.
That did happen, but it's not like anyone had a crystal ball. It was that we had all seen the results of the 2 major parties' work over the decades and they kept making matters worse. A change was needed. Who the hell knows what's going to happen now.
Not even the people in charge do, from any side. Obviously the austerity measures that have already been implemented had a negative impact, making it impossible for the country to grow economically and pay its outstanding debts.
This is a seriously complicated and screwed up situation and everyone just keeps blaming everyone else (and depending on who you ask, even themselves).
Also, as an addition to my previous comment, you should have said 60% of Greeks "can't seem to come to terms with reality".
40% of us tried to be reasonable and play it safe with a matter of such importance.
I know gross generalizations sound cool when you're on your soapbox, but give credit where credit's due (pun intended).
You're right in general, but regarding the remark about gettings things for "free"; can we switch the generic "Greeks" to "Greek politicians"? Because us Greeks in general have gotten jack shit for free, if anything, we've been paying for everything twice.
Free health care: passing doctors money under the table to get them to work on you.
Free education: Having to spend tons of money and time for private tutoring.
(In both cases, with a crumbling infrastructure.)
Democracy: Pretty much the same stacked 2 party system as any other nation, with extra corruption sprinkled on. I'm talking about major parties, not nutty ones with inconsiderable amounts of supporters. The currently governing party did shake things up though, broke the 2 previous major parties' taking turns, not sure if that is for better or worse, we'll found out in a few days.
And it's not like we've had it easy on taxes either, middle class families having their income taxed in half and paying out of pocket for all the things those taxes should have bee going to in the first place.
Worst thing (so far) has been formatting a PHP date() DB timestamp wrong for entries associating users and payments. I think it was something like accidentally using 'M' for both month and minute.
At the same time, there was a bug somewhere that periodically caused only one of the 2 tables to be written to, when we noticed that the tables were out-of-sync we immediately jumped to the timestamps to make some sense of the situation, which of course didn't work in this case.
Took only a few hours to sort out since we could use other available information to fix it, but it was my 1st or 2nd real job at around 18 so I figured I was canned; I wasn't though, it was one of those "lesson learned, watch out for it next time" situations -- my boss was really frustrated though.
1. Says so in your signature already.
2. I'm fully aware of your political beliefs which you rightly guessed that I do not espouse. "We" Greeks did jack shit, the ancient Greeks built the Parthenon along with a number of other really impressive feats. And the Telly Savalas thing was indeed funny, but that's not what prompted me to criticize your taking pride in an ancient civilization's accomplishments, just because you happen to share some traits, out of dumb luck.
Ran out of mod points but discussion is encouraged anyways, and it's not like my getting slightly off-topic can mess with the site's currently declining quality (even though this particular news article isn't half bad).
My political views (asked in Greeklish) are not relevant, it's best you judge my remarks on their merits.
The dude keeps mentioning his nationality at every chance, as if dumb-chance geographical placement at the time you pop out is somehow a point of pride. His choice of quote is the least of his problems.
Also, sharing some geography with a cool civilization that lived a few thousand years before your time, whose accomplishments had absolutely nothing to do with you, does not increase your cachet one iota. Yes, iota is Greek!
that for the celebrities taking their nude selfies, the probable benefits of their actions outweighed the probable negatives
What the hell is wrong with the author, basing his proposition on a premise that was already proven to be wrong by reality? Wasn't the leak a probable negative? Didn't it outweigh the probable positives?
I'm working with Ruby code all day, and you were quite right to facepalm. That wasn't some convoluted one-liner, it was perfectly readable and didn't allocate space for an unnecessary lambda as the final "clean" iteration does. Anything more complicated than that and breaking it into pieces wouldn't hurt, the one-liner cleverness gets old ready fast if abused.
Ironically enough, the clever code of old that had to be creative to deal with low specs is one of the cleanest, clearest, most elegant code I've seen. I used to review ancient Linux, FreeBSD and Xenix source to pass the time on slow days at the office and it was beautiful. On the other hand, I guess it kind of had to be, because debugging anything complex back then would have probably been hell (I'm assuming, I'm not old enough to know).
You don't think cheap access to unlimited infrastructure can make a difference?
Did you just call me politically correct? You've gone too far mate...
The examples I gave ware successful in demonstrating a high-risk situation vs a low risk one, and that adults should be able to assess these sorts of situations properly.
Nowhere did I suggest that people be IT professionals, as it's not about the cloud nor any other intricate technicality, but I simply stated that you should flat out not create documents of any sort that can be damaging to your image, if that image is important to you. Someone hacking your account, someone stealing your phone or laptop, you forgetting your phone at a park bench, you accidentally sending them to the wrong person and a myriad of other reasons should discourage you from putting yourself at risk without any real benefits. Those people have spectacularly failed at that, so part of the blame goes to them, as well as to the people who violated their privacy, if we want to be realistic.
You called them hapless, you accounted them no responsibility, essentially treating them as non-people. Is that really the right way to treat healthy adults?
Finally, your post makes it sound like I'm on some sort of a crusade against them or as if I were defending the people who both broke valid laws and violated someone else's privacy, which I absolutely did not. Your excessive defensiveness and offensiveness stems from your own issues man, don't put that on me.
Quit with the black and white stuff, it's not that clearcut. If you walk past a neighborhood which is known for its high criminal activity wearing a Rolex, holding a $600 iPhone with one hand and a $2000 laptop with the other, then yes, it obviously is also your fault if you get mugged. The universe does not stand on principles.
The problem is that people (you being a prime example) fail to calculate risk effectively. For example, the risk of someone hacking a PCI compliant institution and stealing my credit card info (from a card with limited funds which I only use for on-line purchases) is low enough that doesn't dissuade me from making CC purchases -- also taking into account other safeguards.
However, if public image was important to me then I certainly wouldn't store embarrassing pictures of me anywhere. Especially not on a laptop I'd brazenly display while walking past a bad neighborhood -- or someone else's server.
Also, if you're looking to get rubbed[sic] then $1000 in cash would certainly help.
And what happens with the thousands of people who have the H1B visas?
I learned that many programmers are musicians or good at various art forms. Which surprised me because I was a good programmer and can't play a musical instrument or do anything artistic at all.
Music is basically counting and patterns, something that should come naturally to most programmers. The music theory jargon can easily go over your head at the beginning but you don't need to dive into it to actually play music at a basic level, and after you get some practise and a feel for it, the more advanced stuff start to make sense.
The hard part is actually getting some level of technical proficiency over your instrument of choice, dexterity is rarely useful in real life but it's the basis of playing most instruments.
If you can whistle a tune you can play music, getting control over the new medium (the instrument in this case) is the biggest issue, as the learning curve is highly steep and the fact that you'll initially sound like crap doesn't provide adequate positive re-enforcement, something necessary to any learning process.
Also, the fact that the cheap learner instruments sound really bad and are much harder to play than the expensive awesome sounding stuff doesn't help either.
PS: I'm an amateur self-taught guitar player, maybe someone with actual training can provide a better perspective.
Everyone focused on the very personal concern I voiced, which is me being grossed out by the finger dipping approach. No-one touched on the very real issue of whether there were any compromises in accuracy for making this thing work as a nail-polish. For Pit's sake I've got a sister and plenty of female friends and I don't want them to get in trouble just because they trusted a product based on how popular it is, due to people drowning out valid criticisms, like mine.
I don't care if someone claims they've found the cure for cancer, show me the data, then I'll tattoo your name on my forehead.
Also, I don't have to have a better idea to voice concerns, just like I don't have to be a master chef to say that I don't like the food at a restaurant.