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Fair Use Affirmed In Turnitin Case

Hugh Pickens writes "The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has issued an opinion affirming a ruling that will be cheered by digital fair use proponents for allowing a fair use of students' work when their teachers electronically file students' written work with the turnitin.com Web site so that newly submitted work can be compared against Turnitin's database of existing student work to assess whether the new work is the result of plagiarism. The court stepped through the fair use analysis, dropping positive notes that affirm commercial uses can be fair uses, that a use can be transformative 'in function or purpose without altering or actually adding to the original work,' and that the entirety of a work can be used without precluding a finding of fair use. Techdirt suggests that all of these points could have been helpful to Google in defending its book scanning efforts, 'since it could make pretty much the identical arguments on all points.' Unfortunately Google caved in that lawsuit and settled, 'denying a strong fair use precedent and making Google look like an easy place for struggling industries to demand cash.'"

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  1. Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere. Won't someone please think of the plagiarists? :)

    1. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by pwizard2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not so much laziness that I'm concerned about. Students who plagarize deserve to be punished. The real issue is that if Turnitin can make a profit of of other people's work under fair use, then that basically means that students have no IP right and that students are guilty until proven innocent. Back when I was a student, I saw the use of turnitin as a major lack of respect towards me, and I refused to submit my work to it on principle. Since I had never done anything wrong in regards to plagarism, most of my instructors understood and didn't hold it against me.

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    2. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere. Won't someone please think of the plagiarists? :)

    3. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey I found 3 references so it must be true that this is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere.

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    4. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It also seems quite ironic that they have a fair use right to the full work for the goal in enforcing that no one else can reuse even the smallest snippet.

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    5. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey I found 3 references so it must be true that this is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere.

      You're missing a citation, you plagiarist.

    6. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "guilty until proven innocent" is a bit of a stretch. The instructor is (at first) only checking. Does any act of investigation presume guilt?

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    7. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Back when I was a student, I saw the use of turnitin as a major lack of respect towards me, and I refused to submit my work to it on principle."

      Of course it indicates a major lack of respect to do that without permission. That's why I'd make my intention clear on the course syllabus, and ask the student to sign for permission. It doesn't really matter if it is something fancy like turnitin or simply a file cabinet full of photocopies of old papers or a disk full of text files and grep. If the student doesn't like that I'm going to compare their paper against prior papers rather than relying on my memory alone, they can withdraw from the course at the start.

      There's nothing disrespectful in principle about *considering* the possibility of plagiarism, is there? If so, then the technical means to do it shouldn't matter either.

      If a student were instead saying that I can't consider the question of plagiarism at all, by any means, that's ridiculous, especially when most university rules specifically say that I must consider it, and that fact is clearly communicated to students.

      If you don't like turnitin, then what acceptable technique would you suggest professors use to detect plagiarism?

    8. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Yokaze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > The real issue is that if Turnitin can make a profit of of other people's work under fair use, then that basically means that students have no IP right [...]

      I disagree. TurnItIns work derived of the students is not identifiable as the students work itself. Not even remotely, as the work TurnItIn provides is a totally different one than the student did.

      And no, it doesn't mean that they don't have IP rights, the students have the same IP rights everyone else has on a published work. Which means not all encompassing rights.

      > and that students are guilty until proven innocent.

      That is a totally different matter, which wasn't ruled about and is a matter between you and your university.

      > Back when I was a student, I saw the use of turnitin as a major lack of respect towards me, and I refused to submit my work to it on principle.

      I agree with you on that, and consider it a laudable effort on your side to stand up against it. But it doesn't negate the right on fair use of TurnItIn.

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    9. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by spydabyte · · Score: 2

      The students don't get the right to choose what's done with the work once it's submitted. Maybe I want my work to be checked for plagiarism, but not used to check on in the future.

    10. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by DrLang21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And lets face it, despite the high horse many students get on, most student's don't have much originality. If a teacher has been teaching the same class for 5 years, 3 semesters a year, how much original work do you really expect? I imagine many of the reports would look almost identical.

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    11. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by zolltron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Certainly no disciplinary action should be taken unless plagarism can be proven.

      Turnitin is not disciplinary action. If the turnitin report comes back indicating plagarism, then the instructor investigates using the turnitin report and then takes disciplinary action. Many papers come back flagged by turnitin, but they are often false positives (quotations, commonly used phrases, etc.) Any university that doesn't require some additional effort on the part of the instructor is a joke.

      My point is, if a student feels that the instructor doesn't trust him/her to be honest on an assignment, how can he/she in turn trust that instructor to be fair in other things?

      That's a bit of leap in logic. For the sake of argument, suppose that requiring turnitin.com submission signals a lack of trust. Why does a lack of trust on the part of an instructor signal a willingness to be unfair? It seems to be like being overly diligent to maintain honesty signals exactly the opposite, that the instructor cares about the legitimacy of her grade.

    12. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "guilty until proven innocent" is a bit of a stretch. The instructor is (at first) only checking. Does any act of investigation presume guilt?

      There are a great many forms of investigation that we don't allow in criminal cases, for example, unless there is some justification for the suspicion of guilt. For example, you can't just stop random people on the street and search their belongings for illegal items.

      I we apply the same logic, here (mind you, teachers aren't law enforcement, so they're not bound by the same rules), then you would ask teachers to refrain from using such tools without a reasonable suspicion of guilt (e.g. a paper doesn't match the voice of its author or a paper is very familiar to the teacher).

      I never liked the idea of punishing students for plagiarism, though. I'd much rather that teachers/professors combine approaches to teaching so that plagiarism gains you nothing without the same hard work that everyone else puts in. IMHO, if turning in a paper that someone else wrote can get me a good grade, that's just a sign that the course wasn't actually teaching anything in the first place, but merely hoping that exposure to the material would magically lead to education of the students.

      Good teachers rely on a suite of metrics to gauge student progress and adjust the curriculum to suit. Bad teachers "plagiarize" in the sense that they just deliver the material they were given and grade papers/tests on the basis of their comparison to a hypothetical ideal.

    13. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Certainly trust between student and teacher is important. I don't agree with you that checking (just checking) for dishonesty assumes that the instructor thinks the student is dishonest.
      If the instructor reads a paper and thinks "that is very similar to one I got last semester" then it is okay for him to check, do you agree? (this would be the "something about a specific paper calls it into suspicion" part). So the instructors brain can run the diff command. But if the instructor automates the process and checks against a broader audience via Turnitin that destroys trust?
      What if the instructor had a local version of Turnitin's DB. The only papers in there are ones past students have turned in. In that case how is an instructor using Turnitin-local different from one with perfect memory and sterling pattern recognition skills?

      I don't see how you can even consider the possibility dishonesty without "assuming" it under your strictures. Can you tell me how a paper would be suspicious without the instructor assuming plagiarism in some way?

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    14. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere. Won't someone please think of the plagiarists? :)

    15. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a great many forms of investigation that we don't allow in criminal cases, for example, unless there is some justification for the suspicion of guilt. For example, you can't just stop random people on the street and search their belongings for illegal items.

      What I meant was "do all acts of investigation assume guilt?" The answer is no. When you get pulled over and the officer runs your license, she isn't implicitly saying "I KNOW you have outstanding warrants!" She is just checking and that isn't a breach of trust. When the instructor runs papers through turnitin, they aren't saying "I KNOW you cheated on this!". He is just checking and that isn't a breach of trust. At least that's how I feel about it.

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    16. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Saysys · · Score: 3, Informative

      I got screwed in a graduate course by turnitin because i used CIA world fact book to source my variables and instead of, after each variable, writing the exact same source I did so after all of the variables.

      long story short, the stupid machine said i stole my stuff from some other web-page that mirrors fact-book and i got a C in the grad course.

    17. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, most students don't have much originality.

    18. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 2, Funny

      self plagiarism is the worst, e.g: "self plagiarism is the worst, e.g: "self plagiarism is the worst, e.g: ""

    19. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the instructor is reading my paper with the intent of 'diff'-ing it against previous works, no matter what the mechanism, then the trust has already been destroyed. The paper should be read for content, clarity, etc., and if, during that process, something jumps out as familiar or unusual for a certain student's typical work, then there's grounds for further investigation.

      By analogy: Let's say girls have cheated on me in the past, and I decided that I would really prefer that didn't occur again, so I'm now regularly searching my new girlfriend's e-mail/phone for incriminating messages. I'd say our relationship is already in a sad state, and it barely even matters if she's actually cheating or not. The trust was broken long before I logged on---and not because of anything she did. That's TurnItIn.

      On the other hand, if I just grab her phone to make a call and find a risque incoming text, then I might have a reason for further exploration now, but prior to this incident, I believed her to be faithful/innocent and our relationship was better. Could I have lessened this heartache if I had taken the hypervigilant/assumed-cheater route? To some extent, but you can see how this approach destroys any hope of a trust-based relationship, even in the case where my girlfriend is trustworthy.

      I've chosen an emotionally-charged scenario (love) to illustrate the point; the trust between student and teachers serves a more subtle purpose. And yes, I'm arguing that it's okay to let a few crooks slip through if grabbing them all means implicitly accusing everyone. I just don't buy that you gain a whole lot by going to all this effort to catch plagiarists (they tend to catch themselves eventually). But you do lose something . . . something that's about as hard to put into words as it is important.

    20. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry but thats life - Copyright law covers distribution, not private usage, and this is private usage.

    21. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That isn't realistic. Teachers teach the same thing for multiple semesters. There's no way to make it so that a paper from one class in one semester is not equally valid in another class in another semester.

      Okay, with SOME classes that is possible, but not very many.

    22. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You didn't get screwed by Turnitin. Turnitin simply flagged a similarity. You got screwed by your prof, whose job it is to make an actual decision.

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    23. Re:Plagiarism takes yet another hit by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMHO, if turning in a paper that someone else wrote can get me a good grade, that's just a sign that the course wasn't actually teaching anything in the first place, but merely hoping that exposure to the material would magically lead to education of the students.

      Good teachers rely on a suite of metrics to gauge student progress and adjust the curriculum to suit. Bad teachers "plagiarize" in the sense that they just deliver the material they were given and grade papers/tests on the basis of their comparison to a hypothetical ideal.

      That is some of the purest, most complete bullshit that I've read in a good long time.

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  2. Re:Oh Timothy by Tobenisstinky · · Score: 2, Funny

    "i" agree.

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  3. Google != Turnitin by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a significant difference in what Google was doing with books, where its stated purpose was to provide excerpts (chapters usually) of the book itself.

    Turnitin allows automated computerized determination of direct plagiarism, without providing the content to other people.

    In the final confrontation with the alleged plagiarist the teacher would probably have to have the original work in hand, but for the analysis portion no human need see either the new or the old work.

     

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    1. Re:Google != Turnitin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This case is not an exact copy of Google's issue but it helps Google. This case helps establish that using all of a work may still be considered Fair Use. Since Google was only using part of a work and mostly for excerpts they now have much more legal support by citing a precedent. Google probably folded originally because there were no precedents. When building a legal argument it helps to have precedents of similar cases or related cases. Many times there are not exact cases that have been decided, especially at the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals level.

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    2. Re:Google != Turnitin by DrLang21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the final confrontation with the alleged plagiarist the teacher would probably have to have the original work in hand

      Then what is the purpose of Turnitin? If the teacher cannot obtain a copy of the original without the original author's permission, then how can they make an accusation? Will Turnitin charge for a copy of the original? Will they only distribute the original with the author's consent?

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    3. Re:Google != Turnitin by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a great idea. I'd willing submit my old papers to TurnItIn, then leave them where students could plagiarize from them if I'd get some money for it every time they got caught.

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    4. Re:Google != Turnitin by DrLang21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So Turnitin could say the paper matched verbatim another given paper or perhaps 75% of another paper, then the instructor could make a decision on that alone and confront the student.

      The problem here is that the teacher has no proof, only circumstantial evidence, since Turnitin cannot legally provide a copy of the supposed original. Because of this, a teacher making an accusation would be opening themselves up, and the educational institution they work for, for big time litigation. In the time I spent working for a University, they did not take plagiarism or accusations of it lightly. Accusations of plagiarism were kept confidential while they were thoroughly investigated by the University before any action was taken. This is because just an accusation of plagiarism can destroy someone's career. A false accusation by a professor or teaching assistant is credible enough to be libel, and the damages can be huge.

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    5. Re:Google != Turnitin by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the student has plagiarized, the student has found the paper somewhere. There's a good chance it's off the Web, so the teacher can Google for some of the phrases. It may be from earlier classes, in which case the teacher may have back papers to search.

      The teacher can use the information from TurnItIn to start an investigation. As you point out, accusing without proof is a real bad idea.

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  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

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  5. The headline is correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The write-up is hopelessly messed up.

    The Fourth Circuit actually ruled on the Turntin case.

    Turntin is the now bankrupt company that promised to make a killing using a proprietary process for alchemy.

    The court ruled that the metallic proceeds could be shared freely with roofers and electroplaters.

    The company plans to move forward with plans to transmute metals with real value in future as soon as their cold fusion reactors are up and running.

    1. Re:The headline is correct by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not a lawyer. Can you translate that into layman terms? :P

  6. Copyright? Or privacy? by pleappleappleap · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand and largely agree with the ruling, but isn't there another issue? Do I have any right to have my (quite possibly deeply personal) ideas kept private from this company (TurnItIn)? Do I have an expectation of any level of confidence between my teacher and myself?

    Might this lead to another argument in this kind of case?

  7. Plagiarism takes yet another hit by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is extremely bad news for lazy students everywhere. Won't someone please think of the plagiarists? :)

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  8. Re:Economic impact by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google directly has an effect on my royalty checks. For that, they've injured me, and the effort I went thru to produce ten books. They have yet to pay me for that abuse.

    In the case of fair use for term papers and the like; their commercial value is less clear, but in one swoop, the court killed any commercial return for these works. That's a bit onerous.

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  9. The Difference Is Chutzpah by krsmav · · Score: 3, Informative

    IAAL. IMHO, the TurnItIn case won't have much effect on other fair use cases. This was a made up, test case, in which a couple of high school kids and their parents claimed that any attempt to detect their plagiarism by comparing their papers with others violated their copyrights in their own [plagiarized] work. Their chutzpah got the result it deserved. Any lawyer smart enough to be a judge can write a convincing, or at least consistent, opinion on either side of a case. Don't expect the TurnItIn case to make much difference where the copyright owner has a plausible claim.

  10. Fair use for the Big guys... by doas777 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the big guys with the big lawyers get fair use, but for the little guy, it's DMCA takedown notices all the way down

    1. Re:Fair use for the Big guys... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OTOH, this case can be cited by other people in the same position to argue that such uses are not infringing. At least in the 4th Circuit, this case will be controlling.

  11. Re:Economic impact by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google directly has an effect on my royalty checks.

    How did you determine that?

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  12. Re:Economic impact by DrLang21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could also be argued that if a student set up a service where they sold copies of their class work for other students to turn in as their own, and for educators to buy copies to identify those students attempting to copy, then Turnitin would be directly infringing on their copyright. The plagiarism in this case would not be illegal, since purchasers have been given permission by the author to claim credit for the work. Would Turnitin still be considered fair use?

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  13. Re:What fair use? It's not even published. by Again · · Score: 2, Informative

    These works were never published. Therefore they should not be subjected to the same expectation that an author cannot completely control his work. These are all stolen unpublished works. They are the student's private papers. Defenses based on copyright shouldn't even be applicable.

    What are you talking about? If you create something, you own it. If you write a paper then you own the copyright to that work whether or not you choose to publish it. Publishing your work does not make your copyright claim any stronger.

  14. Revenue model by DomNF15 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that Turntin's source of revenue is based on a database of work created by other people (students). It would only seem fair that, regardless of whether or not the work was published, the authors should receive some kind of compensation for Turntin's use of their paper(s), since without these papers, they would not have a service to offer.

  15. Re:What fair use? It's not even published. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are not the student's private papers. They were disclosed to someone else (the professor) for evaluation. You're right that they aren't published and they aren't public either, but "evaluation" certainly includes "evaluating the possibility of plagiarism". If turnitin.com were making the content of papers available to others or publishing themselves, that might be an issue, but they aren't.

    Worst case (if this case had gone in favor of the student), professors would subsequently insist that in order for papers to get a mark the student must allow it to be submitted to such evaluation services. Sign the permission slip or no evaluation for you!

    It's got nothing to do with Google, though.

  16. Re:Economic impact by geekboy642 · · Score: 4, Funny

    His royalty checks decreased. Google something something books. IT WAS GOOGLE'S FAULT!

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  17. Case should be against the schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if Turnitin.com is not violating copyright, then surely the schools and teachers are violating copyright by sending a complete copy of your work to Turnitin. The school is making and distributing a digital copy of the work which should not fall under fair use.

    Now, writing an essay for your class constitutes work for hire, the school doesn't have the right to distribute this work or make copies of it as they necessarily must do in order to use the turnitin service.

  18. Re:Google Case Completely Different by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm afraid Google doesn't distribute the works they scan. They store copies of the works, use them for searching, and display at most a sentence or two where they found the match with the search terms along with a link to someone who does sell copies of the work.

  19. Mixed feelings by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, as a fair use proponent I agree with the decision. Though, even if it didn't apply as an "unpublished work", I still don't see this as a problematic use, in that I don't see any reasonable expectation of confidentiality. If there was one, certainly not one that would extend to expecting the professor would not store, or otherwise use his paper in accordance with the needs of the professor and institution to fairly dole out credit (including keeping, or causing others to keep, a copy for purposes of checking for plagerism now and in the future).

    This "use" is quite "fair". Now, if the professor was posting the papers online himself for others to read.... or selling compendiums of papers etc.... thats another story. However, this sort of use seems quite reasonable, and unreasonable to put restrictions around beyond basic protection of the privacy of the student involved (oooh... now how does this relate to FERPA? ... which often does, in some part, apply to students (I used to work in University IT) )

    What I find worriesome is the technology itself. Essays are often about similar topics. Papers are seldom about really original topics or even originals slants. Overall, amongst the growing number of similar papers out there, I do wonder how long it will be before their false positive rate starts to climb? Will we begin to see students accused of plagerism for nothing more than not thinking of much new to say, and having a writting style similar to some other unoriginal sod with the same paper topic?

    Sure, the chances that someone else will write the same paper you did is pretty small, even with lots and lots of papers. However, what about the chances that any two people in a wide database of student papers will write almost the same paper, given the same topic, and same sources. That question worries me far more as I fear that as time goes on, the chances of this happening approaches 1.

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  20. My experience with Turnitin.com by WiiVault · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an example of a tool that is far too powerful for the people intended to use it and therefore distructive. I remember getting chewed out by a teacher because I had a 2% match on a 10 page paper. Things like "that is" "before that" ect. were interpreted as plagiarism because somebody on the face of the earth had written them before. Oh course the dumbass teacher saw the 2% and failed me on the paper, which I had to fight all the way to the top of the school, where thankfully somebody bothered to check it out and realize I was being burned at the stake. For my remaining years I was considered somebody to watch thanks to this service and the brain dead people who use it.

  21. Re:Copyright? Or privacy? by fotbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That may be true in some countries, but I haven't found that to be true here (USA), UNLESS you are being paid by the university. It is common for graduate work to be university property, because it is also common for graduates to be paid by the university to do the research.

    Undergrads usually don't get paid by the university to do research or to write up other papers, so their classwork still belongs to them.

    Apparently the courts have decided that they don't get to control what is done with their own work. Why should they? Its not like the courts like the little people anyway. They don't have big enough checkbooks to matter.

  22. Re:Economic impact by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google directly has an effect on my royalty checks.

    Oh, it was a direct effect? That means, of course, that Google negotiated your royalty checks down with your publisher?

    Oh, you meant that there was an INdirect impact via a reduction in sales due, in part, you suspect, to Google making portions of your work available online.

    Of course, you haven't done anything even approaching a rigorous study to confirm any of this. You don't even have a control, do you? You just have "I'm not making as much money as I think I should be."

    That said, welcome to the nature of fair use. Fair use does impact sales. People who would otherwise purchase a book, in some cases (not all) are people who instead go to a library or borrow from a friend or leaf through a copy on someone else's desk or buy it used (first sale... now there's something that impacts your pocket!)

  23. Re:Economic impact by Comboman · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is true that not all plagiarism involves copyright infringement (for example, plagiarizing from the public domain, or with permission of the author as in your example). However, once you transfer the copyright of your paper to someone else (who passes it in as their own), you no longer own the copyright and cannot resell it to another student. It would be pretty hard to make money off that business model unless you sell each paper for a lot of money. Reminds me of the scene in the Rodney Dangerfield classic "Back to School" in which Dangerfield's character pays Kurt Vonnegut (playing himself in a cameo) to write a college paper on his own book. It gets a failing grade.

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  24. what is plagiarism? by sxmjmae · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."

    The "close imitation of the language and thoughts". If you have possibly hundreds or thousands of sample works on a particular topic it is very likely that duplication will start occur. It may start out at 1% match but as the database grows the matching to existing parts of other items will grow till the point where it will be virtually impossible to actually write something that is considered actually original by a logical computer.

    How many ways can you interpret Shakespeare? I know my English had no frig'n clue about Shakespeare but if your interpretation did not closely imitate his language and thoughts you where 100% wrong! Every passing paper was remarkably similar in its verbiage.

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  25. I teach university. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me just chime in here as a university lecturer who has papers turned in to him. I am posting anon, just in case my employer finds out and doesn't agree with me.

    I agree that there is a very uncomfortable lack-of-trust issue here, and I would resist ever using such a system to check for plagiarism. When someone hands me something, I don't assume it's plagiarized; I assume that, provided the paper doesn't represent some sudden jump in writing ability or knowledge of the subject, that person wrote it. When I do get a paper that just doesn't sit right, I start Googling. If I find something, I print it out and highlight the lines that match exactly, staple it to the back, and hand it back with a zero. There's no need to argue at that point, and I assume the situation is now resolved.

    In cases when Google doesn't help, I have to call them in and have an awkward conversation. If they say they got help at the writing center, I just call the people down there (several of whom I know socially) to find out. If they say he or she was in there, end of story.

    If all that doesn't help, I just walk around the department and ask if anyone else has had this student and if they've ever gotten a paper that didn't sit right. If so, I keep digging; if not, I let it rest.

    Here's my thing: I am not some grand gatekeeper trying to make sure that no one leaving my university does not have a firm grounding in comparative religions. It matters for the majors, but most of my students are just fulfilling some requirement. Also, my majors are studying what I teach on purpose; they aren't that likely to cheat. This is what they chose.

    Basically, if you cheat in university, you are only hurting yourself. It will come back to bite you later in the semester or in other classes. I believe that as long as teachers exercise due diligence, the system works fine. Furthermore, as a student, although I never plagiarized, I did sometimes cheat. But you know what that taught me? It taught me that cheating is often harder than just doing the assignment right, plus it runs the risk of getting expelled, plus you don't learn anything and you have to catch up later. Those are extremely valuable lessons, both in school and in life. Following the rules is always the easiest, best policy.

    Before Google, did people plagiarize? Hell yes. Did they get away with it? Sometimes/often, yes. Did the world grind to a halt because some slackers got Bs instead of Ds in a couple classes? ...Not last I checked.

    The truth is that the massive hump in the middle of the bell curve is always bigger and more important, in the grand scheme of things, than the outliers, but humans are crap at dealing with probabilistic thinking, and waste a lot of time dealing with outliers, when outliers have a way of dealing with themselves. Spending a lot of time, insulting my students, and posting their homework (even anonymously) to a public website, all to deal with the few jackasses trying to trick their way through a degree program is, IMHO, a massive waste of time.