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RIAA Brief Attacks Free Software Foundation

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA has requested permission to file a response to the amicus curiae brief filed by the Free Software Foundation in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum, the Boston case against a Boston University grad student accused of having downloaded some song files when in his teens. In their proposed response, the RIAA lawyers personally attacked The Free Software Foundation, Ray Beckerman (NewYorkCountryLawyer), and NYCL's blog, 'Recording Industry vs. The People.' The 9-page response (PDF) — 4 pages longer than the document to which it was responding — termed the FSF an organization 'dedicated to eliminating restrictions on copying, redistribution, and modifying computer programs,' and accused the FSF of having an 'open and virulent bias against copyrights' and 'blatant bias' against the record companies. They called 'Recording Industry vs. The People' an 'anti-recording industry web site' and stated that NYCL 'is currently subject to a pending sanctions motion for his conduct in representing a defendant' (without disclosing that plaintiffs' lawyers were 'subject to a pending motion for Rule 11 sanctions for their conduct in representing plaintiffs' in that very case)."

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  1. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by supersoundguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably because they keep losing. If they make themselves loud enough in the courts, a judge is bound to find something he agrees with and rule in their favor. They're grandstanding to win.

  2. "anti-recording industry website" by willoughby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You say that as if it's a bad thing.

    1. Re:"anti-recording industry website" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Much as I dislike the RIAA, an organisation 'dedicated to eliminating restrictions on copying, redistribution, and modifying computer programs' actually sounds like a pretty fair description of the FSF. Of course, they fail to mention that the FSF is dedicated to doing this through legal means.

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    2. Re:"anti-recording industry website" by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, they fail to mention that the FSF is dedicated to doing this through legal means.

      Hell, it isn't just through legal means, it is through practising what they preach with their own creations. Something RIAA members haven't been so keen to do themselves what with all of their shady accounting schemes to bilk creators out of their copyrights.

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    3. Re:"anti-recording industry website" by zoips · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Without copyright law, the FSF would no longer be able to achieve its goals. With no copyright, everything is either trade secret or public domain. I fail to see how that ensures that end users will always have access to the source of the programs they use in order to update them.

      Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood the FSF's goals. Which is entirely possible.

    4. Re:"anti-recording industry website" by gerddie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering (L)GPL 2 and even more 3 and all the BSD vs GPL flame wars, it seems to me that the FSF puts some pretty strong restrictions on copying, modifying, and redistributing software. Actually, it's exactly that set of restrictions that lets me choose the GPL over the BSD License nearly all the time.

    5. Re:"anti-recording industry website" by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually they place only one restriction on it: if you want to copy, modify and redistribute my software, you may not give recipients any fewer rights to do so themselves than you received from me. Well, perhaps two: and you may not "forget" to tell them they have those rights.

      Which, come to think of it, is probably a pretty draconian restriction to a certain group who want to play with everybody else's toys but don't want anybody to play with theirs. It's amusing how many issues today look to me an awful lot like the one bratty kid in the sandbox.

  3. Anti-Copyright? by Kelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FSF's centerpiece, the GPL, depends wholly on copyright for enforcement.

    So saying that the FSF has an "open and virulent bias against copyrights" clearly demonstrates either a lack of research, a lack of understanding, or a lack of honesty on the part of the RIAA's lawyers.

    1. Re:Anti-Copyright? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The FSF's centerpiece, the GPL, depends wholly on copyright for enforcement. So saying that the FSF has an "open and virulent bias against copyrights" clearly demonstrates either a lack of research, a lack of understanding, or a lack of honesty on the part of the RIAA's lawyers.

      Picky picky.

      The truth has never been seen as an obstacle by the RIAA's lawyers.

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    2. Re:Anti-Copyright? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heh, I just want them to stop this nonsense so I can go back and buy some CDs. With all the time this is stretching out there's a huge number of albums that I haven't been able to buy without breaking my boycott.

      But, I'm sure they've just recharacterized that tiny drop in sales as "due to pirates" and used it as an excuse to waste even more money on piracy prevention and buying elected officials.

  4. Who cares about the length? by mmkkbb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "4 pages longer than the document to which it was responding"

    And?

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  5. Re:Their aim is improving by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Targeting lawyers instead of, say, people who don't even know how to defend is "getting better at picking targets" when it comes to law suits that are not far from simple harrassment?

    Dunno if I can follow your train of thought.

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  6. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by Duradin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't innovate, litigate.
    If you can't litigate, legislate.

  7. Re:RIAA has it right by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As it has been pointed out above, and despite being modded redundand I want to stress it again, the FSF relies on copyright law. One of its cornerstones is the GPL, and like all licenses it does depend on enforcable copyright law or code protected by it could deliberately be used in proprietary software and neither the FSF nor anyone else could do anything about it.

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  8. Re:RIAA has it right by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would say that the aspersions cast concerning Beckerman and the "pending sanctions motion" would be inaccurate. If I were in a lawsuit, I could potentially move to have sanctions entered against my opponent for various miscellaneous reasons, such as making out with the court reporter while the judge's back was turned, etc., regardless of whether any of those things were true or not. For the two seconds it would take the judge to deny my motion, that motion would be pending. At that very moment, someone could file a brief in another court involving the person who is my opponent in my case, stating that there is a pending sanctions motion against that person.

    In Beckerman's case, while the motion isn't based on pure ridiculousness as in my straw man above, it's still based solely on allegations made by the RIAA against Beckerman with no consideration of any evidence.

    While the assertion may not be "incorrect", as there is a pending sanctions motion against Beckerman, the fact that the RIAA frames it as a reason to discredit Beckerman makes it inaccurate.

  9. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is not the neo-cons that we have to worry about. It is which oligarchs have the reins of which legislators and judges. It is beginning to look like the oligarchs that control the Obama group are going to take our intellectual and cultural freedoms from us, rather than our constitutional freedoms.

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  10. Re:Over-reaching much? by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You describe the backlash as though it hasn't already happened. Remember Tower Records? Virgin Megastore?

    The music industry is dying, and this is their last stand.

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  11. My favorite quote by Evets · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To support its proportionality argument, FSF contends that Plaintiffsâ(TM) lost profits in the
    case should be based on a per/download loss of âoeapproximately 35 cents.â Apart from the fact
    that the argument relies on âoefactsâ not in the record in this case, the contention ignores the nature
    of Defendantâ(TM)s infringement.

    And then in the very next sentence:

    Defendant has not only infringed Plaintiffsâ(TM) works through
    downloading, he has also distributed Plaintiffsâ(TM) works for years to potentially millions of other
    file sharers.

    I mean... unless something has changed in their pattern, they only have documentation of one legal download and that being from an investigation team that may or may not be licensed.

    Why has no attorney ever taken a look at the finances and circumstances associated with one particular song - how much revenue did this earn in the year prior, the year during, and the year after the alleged infringement. Most of the songs that I've noted have been out for at least a decade if not two, with little or no marketing, and zero spins on any of the radio stations I listen to.

    Another argument I never see in any of these is the challenge the RIAAs ownership of the material. A 20 year old song may or may not have a clear ownership record, and with the history of the industry, you really should establish that the recording artists, the producers, and the songwriters all have given the RIAA authority willingly and contractually prior to the filing of any individual lawsuit.

  12. Re:RIAA is a criminal organization by dweller_below · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The RIAA is only incidentally a criminal organization. The law is just an inconvenient encumberance.

    The real purpose of the RIAA is to make money. Lots of money. To do this, they have become an evangelical organization. They are trying to create and perpetuate a repressive belief system.

    In action, they closely resemble an inquisition.

    They are trying to create and enforce a belief system. Any tactic is justified if it will maintain their orthodox beliefs. These beliefs don't have to make sense. They just have to be valued.

      * Copyright infringement equals piracy.
      * Copying music is the same as theft of tangible property.
      * Unapproved distribution of an idea requires infinite punishment.

    These are not rational thoughts. They are elements of a repressive belief system.

    Miles

  13. Well-structured ad hominem attack by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've noticed that people resort to ad hominem when they haven't a better arguement to use.

    The 9-page brief looks like a very nicely structured ad hominem attack, but that's all it is.

    Or, to paraphrase, "Don't listen to him, he's just a lawyer! Whereas I am the True Friend of the Court, he's your enemy! Actually, he's mine, but I'd prefer you thought of him as yours".

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  14. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by palindrome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's always some dastardly evildoers trying to steal our freedoms, nowadays, isn't there. If it's not the extremists it's the communists, or the democrats, or the republicans or the liberals, or the PC brigade with all their health and safety mumbo jumbo, coming to take away our precious, precious freedoms (it's our freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedommmmms, preeeeeeeeeeeeeeecious). As we stare at this wonderous package of glory. Our freedoms, which we have, and those ever growing hordes of zealots - from one side of the political spectrum or another (depending on our own beliefs) - coming to rip it from our hands and hurl it in to the volcanoes of Mordor or something. Or freedoms! Please! Won't someone think of the freedoms!

    It's certainly an emotive issue.

    And if people actually did care then maybe they'd stop slinging shit into the eyes of fabricated enemies for 15 seconds and realise that there is a middle ground in which you can actually work together and not just boil it down to some pitiful good/evil pantomime.

  15. Re:Ok . . . by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They act like a government agency but they can only take civil action, regardless of the FBI's doting on copyright abusers. If they were to stay silent a moment too long then what little power they do bear would dissolve.

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  16. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's always some dastardly evildoers trying to steal our freedoms, nowadays, isn't there.

    Nowadays? Not a moment in Humanity's history was a calm silence where groups of people weren't trying to impose their will on others by penalty of death or disruption. It's a story that will long repeat itself and is unlikely to ever end.

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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  17. Re:Over-reaching much? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The music industry is dying, and this is their last stand.

    You are correct. The existing music industry infrastructure is dying. Music won't.

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  18. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by PMuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note that litigation costs scale badly.
    Beyond a certain threshold, it is cheaper to legislate first.

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  19. Re:Over-reaching much? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the art of music in western civilization may even come alive again if we can get rid of these cartels.

  20. Pound on the table by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you don't have the facts on your side, pound on the law.
    When you don't have the law on your side, pound on the facts.
    When you have neither on your side, pound on the table.

    When an opposing party start attacking people on their beliefs, you know they are in bad shape.

  21. Re:Their aim is improving by Miseph · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NYCL is not just a harder target to hit, he is also a much more valuable one. If the RIAA can take him out of the equation, then they can go back to pushing around children and crippled grandmothers, but like any bully they can't properly operate with anyone actually standing up to them.

    What comes next is the lawyer equivalent of meeting at the playground after school. If the RIAA can put enough hurt on NYCL, RMS and anyone else who has been willing to take a stand, then they go back to stealing lunch money... otherwise it is quite likely that they'll be shown for puffed up cowards and never be taken seriously again.

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  22. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    W and the neo-cons are no longer in control. As such, we are less likely to see constitutional violations.

    Democrats and Republicans both hate the constitution; they just hate different parts of it (1st amendment & 2nd amendment for example).

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  23. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, yes. Yes we should. One day you will be sold into slavery-- oh, you'll be kept alive and well enough to work, but you'll be forced labor and the beatings will continue until you die. But that's not a threat of death now is it....

  24. Re:Maybe I haven't been paying attention... by bit01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In what possible way can that matter?

    The justice department has limited resources. What they choose to focus those resources on matters a lot.

    Ex-RIAA lawyers are likely to focus on RIAA concerns, if for no other reason than that's what they're familiar with.

    That's a very bad thing and a form of regulatory capture.

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